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hi to all, i find it hard to believe that microsoft can stop support for its older operating systems eg windows 95 98 me etc and still not allow them to be available for free, i mean if it is not supported then it becomes like abandon ware, i think that being the case, microsoft should be forced to either support these systems or give them up, i mean talk about having your cake and eating it.

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by santeewelding

The "law" is silent on that.

I was more chuckling and dismissive of his, "should be forced to".

Okay. What, specifically?

by danerd

yeah i concede that trying to force microsoft is a bit ambitous, but you can see where i am coming from, its a bit of " dog in the manger thing"

by nicknielsen

What do they force? How much does it cost us?

Government is implied as the force in your statement "should be forced to." Do you really want that or do you just want something you don't have to pay cash for?

by danerd

microsoft by not supporting its older os is giving signals that it has no interest in them so all i am saying is if you dont support them then it seems that you have no interest in them,let them go, as for forcing microsoft i agree that would be ambitous.

by notsochiguy

Please post here in 20 years to let us know if the claim to the 'abandoned' software is working out for you!

by thechas

Well, as each new version of Windows and Office builds upon the previous version, Microsoft cannot maintain it's business model if it gives away old versions.

Look at almost all commercial software, there is no precedence for giving away older versions. Even after the support life has ended.

Then, take a good read of the EULA you agreed to when you installed Windows 95 or 98. Microsoft NEVER gave you the software in the first place. All you bought, be it an OEM copy or a full retail version, was a limited right to use the software. This is the primary way that Microsoft and other software companies maintain control over their intellectual property.

Aside from the issues of ownership of the code, what are you going to do with Windows 95 or 98, or even Me for that matter?

Unless you have a large stock of hardware that is at least 10 years old, you are going to have a hard time doing anything useful with older versions of Windows.

Be it the hard drive and memory limitations of the old versions of Windows. Or the fact that you cannot buy much new hardware that has drivers for older versions of Windows. There is little or nothing of practical value you can do with new hardware and old operating systems.

Web browsing or email? Forget it! Aside from the security holes, most web pages will not render properly on the browsers that the old versions of Windows support.

For most other applications, you will be limited to the old versions (which are also no longer supported) of nearly every software package.

Even the mission charities no longer reuse systems that cannot run at least Windows XP.

Besides the above, there is a very viable option for an open source OS that supports new hardware. If you want a free or low cost OS, switch to Linux!

Of course, if you want to install older versions of Windows on newer systems, you do have some level of "downgrade" rights.

Chas

by seanferd

And does MS have any opinion on this?

If so, it isn't Abandonware.

If you want to use abandonware, fire up an old copy of DOS (or a free version). Plenty of old abandonware out there.

by danerd

that such a rich company has this attitude regarding their old systems, but as you say they will milk the cow for all its worth, well into the 22nd century.shame shame.

by thechas

While you can still find new unopened copies of Windows 98, 2000 and XP, Microsoft has stopped selling the retail versions of all of the supplanted versions of Windows and Office.

What you find at various retailers and software resellers is the residual copies that were in the distribution pipeline. Microsoft made it's money on the copies that are available years ago.

Microsoft tried to shut down distribution of even the OEM versions of XP over a year ago. There was such a howl of indignation and demand for XP that the OEM version is still being distributed. As a last sting, Microsoft is forcing the OEM companies who choose to still offer XP with their systems to charge a premium for XP.

Microsoft wants XP gone for good in 4 years when it reaches end of life. It will be interesting to see what happens after Microsoft shuts down the XP activation servers. Anyone who does not have a corporate license for XP should pay close attention to the news from Microsoft in 2014 and make sure that they perform a clean install on what will be their last XP system before the activation servers are shut off.

Not only does activation help limit multiple installations from one copy of Windows, it also provides Microsoft a means to prevent you from having a running system in the future.

Think about it, if you have to format and reinstall XP every 30 days when activation is no longer available, how long will it be until you give in and buy a newer version of Windows?

True, Microsoft will not shut down running activated systems. But once the activation servers are off-line, you won't be able to do a refresh of your system.

Even more fun, a version of Windows ages, Microsoft removes the updates and patches from the file server. I'm pretty sure that Windows Update no longer functions for Windows 95, 98 or Me.

Chas

by danerd

they ( microsoft ) have us by the short and curlies, isnt it sad to see how one corporation can have so much power, in other words they can try and force us to keep on updating and updating,doesnt sound very moral to me, perhaps a shift to linux might be the way to go eh.

by nicknielsen

[i]Think about it, if you have to format and reinstall XP every 30 days when activation is no longer available, how long will it be until you give in and buy a newer version of Windows?[/i]

When that happens, I will finally be able to justify dumping Windows completely. I can hear everybody except the most rabid Windows fans: "You don't want to support me? Okay, fine. You won't have to support me any more."

Of course, by that time, Windows 7 will be mature and ready for prime time, so corporate will just kick up more money for the upgrade licensing...

by danerd

i agree with you all the way,as i said elswhere linux is looking more and more attractive.

by deadly ernest

you'd be surprised at the list of companies that have NOT bought the latest version of Office and have started installing Open Office on their new systems.

by danerd

thank you for your advice regarding santeewelding.your right. provocation does not relate to association.but i felt good saying it.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

I'll settle in to making a permanent move to Linux and dump MS. That's a serious crock of shit.

by danerd

microsoft stopping activation is a real possibility and frankly would not surprise me.

by deadly ernest

1. Every company that has a an unsold copy of XP that they've already paid Microshaft for will start action to get reimbursed by Microsoft for that money, since the Microsoft action is denying them the ability to sell it.

2. People with the non-activation required copies of XP that came out as early pirate copies of a GOLD disc version will make a mint selling them and using them to set up XP systems.

3. People will find a way around the code in XP to shut it down without activation and that info will be widely spread on the Internet.

4. More people will get upset enough to walk away from Windows to Mac, Unix, or Linux.

by danerd

your absolutly correct deadly, but dont forget that we are also seeing new computers that will not run the older operating systems because of lack of drivers, in fact my last board that i got 2 years ago, in the boards handbook it clearly stated that the board could not run anything older than xp so we are being screwed my software on one side then screwed by hardware on the other side and linux is looking better everyday, three cheers for open source.

by danerd

your absolutly correct deadly, but dont forget that we are also seeing new computers that will not run the older operating systems because of lack of drivers, in fact my last board that i got 2 years ago, in the boards handbook it clearly stated that the board could not run anything older than xp so we are being screwed by software on one side then screwed by hardware on the other side and linux is looking better everyday, three cheers for open source.

by danerd

thats the reply i would expect from you,tell me do you have shares in microsoft or are you related to bill.

by deadly ernest

second hand shops and old computers. Just buy one and away you go.

If you want a real good OS and cheap, install Linux.

by charliespencer

Anybody remember "New Coke"? In a misguided attempt to increase market share, Coca-Cola changed it's formula back in the mid-80s. The product tanked big time and is still the subject of marketing classes and how to not manage a product. A few months later, Coke backpedaled and returned to the original formula.

Where would they have been had someone at the company decided, "We're not using the old formula. Let's cut it loose and let anyone make it." Where would MS have been if Vista had been in competition with 9x or 2K?

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