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I have been gone a long time and I do not know most people here anymore. For those of you that do you know I like to stir things up. Well here it is:

How long will it be before someone else gets a hold of the technology to shoot down satellites, furthermore how long will it take before these people try to hold something like the space shuttle or the international space station hostage with this technology or worse yet destroy one to prove they have the power to do so? This is not an alarmist view, nor is it a "terrorists are everywhere" thought I have a distinct opinion; I want yours, who better to ask then the world of TechRep? Lemme know what you think I truly am curious.

-duck

"If I were Sun-Tzu I would have a nifty comment, since I am not, I do not"

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by tony hopkinson

You mean like not a government ?

It's not hard just expensive..

International space station... When we have one I'll think about it. And sorry but you can sabotage the shuttle with an O-ring...

As soon as the threat becomes credible, you need nothing more.

by jamesrl

The US has a spy satellite in a decaying orbit and they want to blow it up. But they want to wait until it is close to the entry point of atmosphere so that all the sneaky bits burn up instead of floating in space for someone else to pick up.

The Russians had anti Ballistic missle systems in the 70s that could easily be reconfigured to take out a low earth orbit satellite. They have also experimented with Hunter killer satellites - purpose built machines that you send up in orbit near what you want to kill.

The US had anti satellite missles that could be loaded on a specially prepared F15, it would essentially climb very high and then launch a missle from its maximum altitude.

Currently the US has been conducting trials on its cruisers.

Targeting is the problem that rogue states and terrorists would have to over come. Unless the satellite they want to take out is directly over their country, they need something with very long range and the abilty to track something in near orbit. The best nuclear missles are accurate within hundreds of yards, but an anti-sattelite has to hit a smaller target.

Most terrorists don't have the technology. And even the rogues states like Iran and NK would be stretched to do it. And of course, you can't launch a missle big enough to get to outer space without sending off alarm bells - everyone knows when they launch, so you might take out the space station, but everyone would know where it came from.

James

by jozhall

I think that they are planning on using anti ballistic missile systems to intercept the satellites right before it enters the atmosphere. This is in sharp contrast to most of the satellites that are orbiting earth's atmosphere out of range. Therefore, I don't think anyone would have the ability to take anything hostage. especially if they can't reach it.

by jamesrl

Anti satellite technology has been in development as long as anti missle tech has.

US and USSR have been doing this for years, China had a successful test last year, India claims they can:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-satellite_weapon

The most probably route for a terrorist would be to build a rocket that could be fired from a plane at high altitude. That was the approach the Americans started with in the late 50s (yes that early). The other approach is to launch a killer satellite, but for that you need a big conspicuous launch vehicle that would set off all the sensors used to track ballistic missles.

James

by tony hopkinson

high, could n't carry much of a payload. Course you don't need much to take out a satellite. But then the targetting would have to be seriously clever if it was autonomous.

If it wasn't then you either get to low earth orbit and go from there, or you have a lot of radar and some serious ground side computing power and expertise.

It would be a lot of resource to lose when an elite strike came to give you a damn good kicking.

If you really wanted a mess up there, the cost effective solution would be to just launch modified claymores and put a few 1,000,000 ball bearings up there.

Course that will have a lot of people on your ass.

by sleepin'dawg

exploding a few nukes in the stratosphere or ionosphere, thus generating a huge wave of EMP ([i]electro-magnetic pulse[/i]) energy that would wipe out most of the world's unhardened electronics. They don't even have to be huge devices just sufficiently large, ie kiloton not megaton, enough to generate an EMP.

Whoever pulls this off would cripple the world's economy as communications and computers would all be damaged and we would be plunged back into pre 50s technology. For example, automobiles with computerized electronic ignition systems would be rendered useless along with TV and radio transmission capabilities.

The US, Russia, France, UK and perhaps China and Japan all have ballistic missisles with MIRV ([i]mutiple independent re-entry vehicles[/i]) warheads but now you have to consider India, Pakistan, possibly Iran and maybe North Korea. Just what are the levels of capability and responsibility with these states??? Hmmmmmmm???

[b][i]Now if that doesn't keep you awake and/or give you some restless moments tonight, nothing will!!![/i]

Dawg[/b] ]:)

by nicknielsen

Depending on the distance from the blast. For the most part, any insufficiently protected electronic device in operation within the effective radius is expected to fry when the pulse hits. If a device is off or is properly shielded, there is a good chance of survival.

In newer cars with remote locking and alarm systems, the computer remains active even when the vehicle is off. The computers in older cars are almost completely shut down when the vehicle is off and have a much better chance of survival than do those in newer cars. Vehicles that rely on mechanical distributor ignitions are not expected to be affected at all.

Still want that new car?

Edit: second thoughts

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