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I dont know if I am in the correct place to ask this.
I need help with my computer. I use Kazaa light. Recently I downloaded a movie. That was fine. Then I noticed other uses trying to download it form my computer - that was fine. Then however I stopped them downloading from my computer by exiting Kazaa abruptly. I have watched the movie and would like to delete it from my system or at least move it. Unfortunately I keep getting an error message saying that I cant move/delete the file cause it is current;y being used by another person or program - it says this even when Kazaa is not open and even when i am not connected to the internet. It is a legit movie but I can't seem to be able to do anything with it. Can someone please suggest a way of getting rid of the movie for me.
Thanks in advance...

Craig

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by guruofdos

You are NOT in the right place for help with this issue.

Firstly...you have asked a technical question, not posted a comment which generates a valid debate in these forums.

Secondly, all of us IT professionals have better things to do than assist people with problems they are having with software like Kazaa or WinMX. You are using a piece of software which is in many ways a 'legitimate' file sharing application, but the majority of Kazaa users are actually trading copyrighted materials and as such, use of this program is illegal and subject to pending litigation in more than one country.

Thirdly, we are not in the business of providing 'simple' answers to 'stupid' questions. Using a search engine or Kazaa's own help forums would provide you with much more information and some answers to your problem, but you need to make a little effort yourself.

You use Kazaa at your own risk (risk of infecting or corrupting your system, risk of prosecution) and you should be aware of these risks and research all these issues yourself before electing to install and use such a program.

by neodragon

Heh mate I don't know what your problem is and I don't care to know. You only needed to reply with your first line.
I am new to computers, I was desperate with my question, I was not sure whether I was posting in the correct place and I stated it. So go pick on someone who has the time and patience to argue with you instead of venting all your built up frustration from your pitiful life out on me.
By the way, thanks for your "stupid" reply.

by oz_media

G.O.D.'s answer was a little harsh but he has a point. Poeple here try to look as prestigious as possible. Some of these guys have extremely successful careers and don't accept the fact that many people in the "new computing era" use software like Kazaalite.
Neither his response or yours was inline, however I tend to support towards Guru's answer as he is a very well known and respected member here. he isn't usually like that, that's my depatrment, but you probably got a nice guy on a bad day.

I've answered your respost in the Q$A section, maybe just solving your problem and moving on to another forum would be more suitable.

by guruofdos

>>Heh mate I don't know what your problem is and I don't care to know.

I'm going to tell you anyway!! People who can't tell the difference between a Q&A posting and a Discussion Forum.

>>You only needed to reply with your first line.

No. I wanted to justify my answer...not just tell you to get lost.

>>I am new to computers, I was desperate with my question, I was not sure whether I was posting in the correct place and I stated it.

If you can download and use Kazaa then you are capable of using a search engine!

>>So go pick on someone who has the time and patience to argue with you instead of venting all your built up frustration from your pitiful life out on me.

No. I only 'pick' on people of my own size and stature or greater. My frustrations are very few and far between and I certainly don't allow them to build up. I most certainly wasn't arguing with you. I simply clarified your comment that you WERE posting in the wrong place and had the decency to point out why. My life is hardly pitiful. In fact, right now it couldn't be much better and anyone on here who regularly engages in dialoge with me will tell you why that is!

>>By the way, thanks for your "stupid" reply.

You are most welcome! But I think the term 'stupid' is misplaced. It may have been 'harsh', and was intended as such. Stupid? No. To the point? Yes. Designed to make you realise that many on here will not tolerate laziness....most definitely!

I wish you a very nice day and success with searching for the answer to your problem.

by itcanada

just sent a similar reply to dos boy in southhampton, a little overboard to say the least
take care, I have been able to copy files out of kazaa folders to other folders with no trouble sorry.

by passwordchanged

right on G.o.D.

Say a Kazaa user works for McDonalds. Whydon't we just go into that McDonalds and ask for all the big macs and cokes and fries we can consume FOR FREE! That's what downloading unauthorized copies of music and movies is, isn't it? STEALING. End of story.

by guruofdos

>>Why don't we just go into that McDonalds and ask for all the Big Macs and Cokes and fries we can consume FOR FREE! That's what downloading unauthorized copies of music and movies is, isn't it?<<

Yes, in a manner of speaking, but it goes deeper than that. The nature of these file sharing programs, I understand, is that you share a folder or folders on your computer. Once you have downloaded your *.mp3 (Big Mac) or *.avi (Coke and fries), not only do you now have ill-gotten gains (free lunch) on your computer, you are making those same files available to other users. The most traded audio on the internet in the last few days is Dido's album, Life For Rent. I heard somebody talking in a supermarket this evening. They had downloaded it from three sources simultaneously and within seconds, they had 20 requests for the same file from 20 other users. I'm certain those other 20, once they started downloading, had even more people in their 'upload' queues.

This is like going into McDonalds, asking not only for a free lunch and consuming to excess, but also inviting all our friends to join in the feast, and then they invite their friends...and so on and so forth.

The original 'piracy' is pure theft. Redistribution adds handling stolen goods, conspiracy to defraud and breach of copyright to the charge sheet!

by guruofdos

"...however I tend to support towards Guru's answer as he is a very well known and respected member here. he isn't usually like that..."

Well known? Potentially.

Respected? Come on Oz old buddy, this is ME we are talking about here :-)

I personally AM familiar with Kazaa and KazaaLite. I personally use WinMX (I need to transfer files to and from work and my email server won't accept attachments bigger than 20Mb...a 15 minute training video could be 1Gb or more!)

I have however had to go into a company on more than one occasion and 'undo' damage caused by an employee using one of these programs on a corporate network and downloading what purported to be "Song A" by "Artist B", but on double clicking it expecting the MP3 to play in Winamp, it unleashed a rash of nasties which totally shafted a dozen workstations!

The problem Neodragon is experiencing is actually related to the filename containing non-ANSI characters (possibly named using double-byte Asian characters somewhere in the filename). The operating system can happily create a file with such a name, but can't then delete it! Renaming the file in DOS cures the problem. Of course, a simple trawl round the Kazaa help forums would have resulted in this answer in about two minutes! Many other 'active' forum members have stated my point on many occasions. We are NOT here to save somebody the 'effort' of typing half a dozen words into Google or Copernic and doing their own search. We ARE here to offer advice and opinion where such efforts have failed. Of course, I am always happy to offer an opinion whether it is welcome or not! That's all it is...my opinion!

by oz_media

I'm confused, you say you're not respected, however I always take your information as written, you rarely just post links that you think will make a statement. You just make the statement yourself, this I admire.

You have helped many people here and I sure as hell don't even know an ounce of your DOS knowledge so for that I say you are respected, as your comments in the discussions usually are.

I know that some lazy bastard should find his own info, I stumbled on the question in the Tech Q&A section, I was doing NOTHING AT ALL AT THE TIME so I answered (I actually thought it would be one of those, "why won't my movies play" questions.)

I then saw this thread and read it, boy, you really took my place on that one, nice pot shots! You'd make a great asshole!

But Oh well, he's probably got it figured out (after going to Kazaalite help, which is very limited if you don't use PayPal for suport).
This probably isn't the Kazaa Light that is available from the Kazaa site but from the stripped down Kazaa that is on another site, I think.

Have a good one Guru,
OM

by guruofdos

"No. Just a self-made man who worhips his Creator"
-Anon

As for being an arsehole...I have my moments!

There are several people on TR to whom I 'doff my cap' and bow with respect to their vastly superior knowledge and collected wisdom...people who have probably forgotten more than I will ever know. I shall not mention any names but they know who they are...oh to Hell with it,why not?

TheChas, Maxwell Edison, Ralph, LordInfidel, Admin@l33tcentral (who seems to have been quiet lately??)...all these fine peeps have probably each forgotten more than I'll ever know and that ISN'T casting any aspersions on their memory! I just KNOW when I'm outclassed!

There are one or two things that I MAY possibly know that perhaps SOME don't and we all, hopefully, have something to contribute to 'our' collective knowledge. It may just be a humourous 'take' on a subject or it may be the 'killer cure' for all known computer evils.

Whatever...I do not profess to be a 'GOD' of all things technical...perhaps a 'lesser Saint' maybe ("He's no saint!!" - Theresa, me missus will tell you that!) but at the end of the day, just another lowly mortal trying to stay ahead of the game and avoid getting any deeper in the shit than I already am.

by jkaras

Hehehe whoa GURU the slap I imagined I heard sounded like it broke the sound barrier. Which part of your anatomy did you use? Hand or your "jimmy" when you smacked him across the face?
Thx for the post it was a really boring day at work and that just made my day

by thechas

Hi Guru,

While your posting did read more like one from OZ than your normal style, I do not think that you were out of line.

Being a confrontation avoider, I usually leave the file sharing questions and comments alone.

The RIAA's actions here in the US finally provided the opportunity to convince my daughter to stop using the file sharing networks.

Keep up the good work.

Chas

by oz_media

In America is a complete joke. Artists aren't the ones losing the real money, the RIAA is.

I love it when people download older music from my bands. It sells the back catalogue that put a lot more cash in their pockets than the new CD sales that are distributed. Tell her she can download ANYTHING from OzMedia or KIP Entertainment (shhh).

If the RIAA pulled their heads out of their butts they'd realize that THEY are directly causing a drop in new CD sales.

Lets face it, new music (POP/Rap/HipHop)is weak but sound aside, these artists RARELY write their own material and rely on companies like The Matrix to do the writing (Avril Lavigne, Britney Spears etc.)even though they claim to be writers themselves. The POPULAR songs are written by such companies and the ones you don't really listen to much or don't feel fit the CD are the songs the artists wrote themselves, unformulated of course.

If you hear the popular song on the radio, the rest of the CD could be totally different and therefore you've been mislead into buying the CD.

Secondly, the RIAA is trying to secure file sharing by securing CD's against copyright. If I can't download a new CD into my MP3 player with the provided software, I won't buy it. They are just shooting themselves in the foot.

I've also bought, no joke, over 50 CD's this year that I would have never bought if I hadn't heard them from file sharing. Therefore, P2P file sharing sells music, it's just that the old fashioned RIAA needs to find a way to use P2P in their favour instead of trying to fight it.

They STILL make millions and rip North American artists off with every sale. It's just typical corporate greed, artists themselves LOVE P2P file sharing. NOTE: Metallica's big beef was from ONE member and he owns the label.

by guruofdos

A new release CD costs ?12.99. Of that, the artist gets to see about ?0.50.

I can buy a blank CD, retail, for about 20p. When music companies stamp CDs by the hundred thousand, the media costs mere pennies. The same for the sleeve and inserts. The music shops and distributors take a small percentage, and a paltry royalty of a few pennies goes to the songwriter. Producers, technicians and backing musicians, session players etc all get paid a salary or earn a fixed fee per session. They don't take a percentage of the sales.

Over 80% of the cost of the CD is swallowed up by the record label. Yes, they have to pay salaries and pay for advertising, but the consumer is still being ripped off.

If the price of a CD was halved, the artist would be no worse off, and at the end of the day, the industry relies on the artist, not the label. Without the label, the artist would still find an outlet for his or her music, whether via the Internet or other means.

Let's face it, record labels, the Internet, TV and Radio and the RIAA weren't around when Schubert, Brahms or Mozart were plying their trade, and everybody has heard of them haven't they?

by jellimonsta

I have been considering actions to take once my bands CD is finished. I am very much leaning to the duplications/ CDBaby and other on-line music distributors methods. I guess if we were to do enough 'shameless self promotion', we may even get some fairly substantial sales from such on-line vendors.

by jkaras

Nope I nerver heard of them. LOL. I love music and believe that it is man's greatest invention. To me nothing can effect a person like music can, it sparks memories of the first kiss, meeting a special person whether friend or more, regarless whether that song was playing during the actual event to merly hitting an emotion that sparked the memory. It just saddens me that its become to much a product that is deemed successful due to amount of record sales rather than just great music. Its become an formula having the missing tract, instrumental insert, a love song, radio song to generate sales, redone song from a previous band, and oh yeah I almost forgot the artistic tract that has some wierd talking phrase that means nothing but only the band understands this "genious". A music revolution is right around the corner as the majority of fans are refusing to buy these bland cds that they purposely hold back good songs to put on the next cd rather than make 1 great cd to ensure profitability and insert really bad songs that they wont even play at concerts.
Question for everyone, What would be the top 5 cds that are essential in your collection? I'm talking about the ones you never get tired of that you would reccommend to anyone to broaden their musical interests that from start to finish is great all the way through.
THis weekend I traveled to another city 3 hours to see Radiohead. I've seen many concerts in my life and never traveled for one and I wasnt dissapointed at all, they delivered and sounded like the cd so well, the only way I new it wasnt lipsinged was they changed the words here and there and went experimental on some songs. It was refreashing to see a concert without cheating for a change!!
Lastly OZ,the Metallica issue, I assume you were talking about Lars Ulrich about the beef? He is a greedy little weazle that sold out their great band for a payday forcing the band to use BOB Rock to get them crossover money in radio. Bob Rock ruined the band seeking money rather than music, the only one with Bob that was good and I will admitt that it was Load, it showed that they matured musically but feel back to crap with everything after. Their last good one was IN justice for all. I cant believe that they sold as many St. Anger cds as their claiming, its sooo horrible that they tried to prove that they could still rock hard for a really long song that should have been over after 1 minute.

by oz_media

MOST yet not all on line CD vendors are just music buffs with a website who want to get their music for free. I don't know HOW MANY requests and offers I've had to sell music online. Every Joe says he's a distributor (especially since PayPal, you can do that yourself).
Don't get sucked in by wannabes who simply have a website and want to look cool.

Make between 4 and 6 thousand copies and get them pressed by a reputable company, not a big company though, I've saved thousands on inserts alone by researching different offers.

When you get your copies made, get on your bike and sell them yourself. Record store to record store. There are several online distributors that will offer to get you store placement but the store positioning is more important. You want to be in the windows and on the bulk end displays not just bundled in with the Independent artists in the back of the store.

Foot work and many miles will get you seen and heard. For radio stations, build a decent press kit and a multimedia demo/presentation. Packaged with some local reviews and any other fluff you can add, then PRESOLD not just dropped off at a station will get you air-time. Remember, radio stations are paid to play a catalogue by the record labels who own the stations. Go for college radio and local indie radio first, when you have a few reviews, set up an appointment with a station manager or programming manager and sell you CD to the station. New laws make it virtually impossible for them to play unsolicited music.

God luck,
OM

by oz_media

PLAY AS MANY SHOWS ANYWHERE YOU CAN!!!

You will get absolutely NOTHING until your playing a lot of shows. CBS and Capitol have no need for their artists to play live (good thing because most of them can't)because they just pay for placement and promotion then pay the radio stations to play them on a rotation. If you're a useless musician but the radion plays you 4 times/hr for a week, everyone wil buy your CD. For the rest of the world, you MUST play live shows, over and over again, from local clubs to weddings, play them all regardless of pay. An audiance will pick up on your undying energy to be heard and you will gain a fan respect that most other artists don't.

by guruofdos

This is my list of must-haves and the reasons why. In no particular order:

1) Dire Straits - Money For Nothing

Mark Knopfler is a fantastic guitarist and this is a brilliant album. It was also the first ever commercial release of an album simultaneously on CD as well as on vinyl and cassette (until vinyl became obsolete, CD releases generally followed vinyl releases...everyone had a record player in 1982...only 1 in every 20 households had a CD player!) and as such has it's place in history assured.

2) Clannad - Macalla

Some of the most 'haunting' vocals you will ever hear! Maire Ni Bhraonain has a voice that just gets to you. A blend of folk rock and Celtic language and legend. Track 4, In a Lifetime, features guest vocals from Bono of U2 fame.

3) Vivaldi - Four Seasons

The Polydor recording performed by the Scottish Chamber Orchestra. This is probably the 'definitive' version of this suite and one the first classical recordings recorded digitally. It is so crisp and clear that you can actually hear the brass and woodwind sections drawing breath at the start of each movement.

4)Don Dorsey - Bachbusters

Classic Bach pieces with a digital 'twist'. A 1980's revamp of 'Switched On Bach'. The early work was the first classical album created entirely using electronic synthesisers. This work adds a new dimention by being recorded entirely digitally at every step of the way. No analogue audio was used in the creation of this masterpiece...all the sequencing was programmed onto a computer and the instruments were all 'played' using MIDI. The final digital mix was encoded directly onto the CD master in numerical form and at no time during the recording of the final mix was it ever heard as audio! The first time it becomes 'audio' is when it leaves the DAC in your CD player. Brilliant clarity and the highest dynamic range of almost any CD. Bach wrote good tunes...Don Dorsey improved on them...if that is at all possible!

5) Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells

Still one of the greatest 'concept albums' ever. It is now thirty years old but still sounds as good as it ever did. If only today's technology was available when he first recorded it using multi-tracking and looping. You can hear the 'hum' and 'noise' from the old analogue techniques...like disconnecting the erease head from a tape deck to overlay additional tracks. If you remember The Exorcist, you will be familiar with the opening theme.

by oz_media

I think it was Brothers in Arms, Money for Nothing was the feature track.
You're right though, it was the breakthrough CD.

"everyone had a record player in 1982...only 1 in every 20 households had a CD player!) and as such has it's place in history assured."

1 in 20 housholds !! Sounds quite optimistic to me. In 1985, I was working as a sales manager at a high-end stereo store (yes I was YOUNG but eager and able). We had a Harman Kardon CD player (thier first) that retailed at $1800.00 Canadian. We sold a few at around the $1500 mark.
The low end JVC's were about $699.00, that's for a PLAIN CD player that didn't even have programmable tracks, just a repeat feature.

Brothers in Arms was the ULTIMATE demo CD in the soundroom, nobody had heard anything like it. I would then put on my Telarc copy of 1812 overture and blow up some cheap speakers (that was FUN!) before demonstrating good Missions or Paradigms.

Another good early CD was Time Warp on Telarc, it was a collection of cool sci-fi tracks and laser sounds etc. or the ever popular Kraftworks on CD, that was truly an experience into frequency range.

Another great album that MANY of you will scoff at is iron Maiden's Live After Death. It was a live album from the 1983 Powerslave tour.

For those of you who don't listen to or simply can't appreciate hard rock, Iron Maiden's claim to fame has never been screaming angst. They write about old classic movies and poetry. The Rhyme of The Ancient Mariner, Hallowed Be Thy Name, The Flight of Icarus, Quest for Fire, The Prisoner etc. For those with an open mind, the lyrics will surely amaze you, especially if you're one of the people who feel all hard rock is just screaming against society. Maiden is much more into the Progressive trance style of metal than the hammering. Not to mention some of the worlds finest musicians (yes, musicians).

by guruofdos

Oh yes indeedie!

Don Dorsey's Bachbusters is on the Telarc Label!

I bought my first CD player in 1983! The two companies who first released commercial players were the co-developers of the CD, Philips and Sony. I had the original Philips CDP102 which retailed in the UK for ?299 (US$450). It was bloody heavy because the whole mechanical subsystem was steel and aluminium and it was solid and robust. Error correction and four-fold oversampling didn't arrive until a year or so later, so the original players had to be mechanically stable!

I shared a house at the time with a priest. He was a true audiophile and had a VERY VERY expensive Bang and Olufsen system which really was the 'mutts nuts'. The speakers stood 6ft tall and cost something like ?2000 (US$3000) EACH! I had my own system which was pretty reasonable, and with some judicious wiring and a 200ft roll of QED Monster 79 strand speaker cable, we wired a pair of speakers in each of our bedrooms, a set in the bathroom and even a set of 250watt 3 way car speakers in the downstairs toilet! This 'crapper' measured 4ft wide by 6ft long and the cistern was boxed into the rear wall with wood panelling to which we added some reinforcing and acoustic wadding.

Telarc released a CD Sampler, which had 'tasters' of some of their catalogue items. We also had a copy of The Best of John and Vangelis. The Telarc CD had one track, I forget the name of which, which was a classical military quick-step which started off with a rapid fanfare and then a cannon firing. One track on the J&V CD was Friends of Mr Cairo, which started off with a car slewing to a halt, then rapid machine gun fire.

Said priest also had a wicked streak in him! Oftenimes, some old dear from one of the Church groups would pop round for a natter. We would have already 'cued up' one of these two tracks and cranked the volume up to nigh-on maximum, with the amp switched through to the toilet. The B&O amplifier had virtually zero noise with no source playing and the toilet had a small extractor fan which drowned out any hint of anything untoward so our 'victims' were always unsuspecting. Imagine the results when an old biddy is half way through a comfortable pee and we hit the pause button on the CD player!!

OZ mate....you do NOT have the monopoly on being an 'asshole'!!!

by jkaras

throw out your VCR, tape recorder and your cd burner to make sure you wont be called a hypocrite. In fact make sure every download off the internet is paid for regardless that its free, you should pay for everything. I'm more than positive that every OS on your pcs are licensed only to that computer let alone every software you purchased. Everyone's guilty of stealing, sampling, borrowing, or what ever you want to call it. Everyone determines their level of involvement in this practice. I'm sure you have some sort of blank media that had something copied on it in your house. So if your going to state flatly that its stealing and wrong make sure you look in the mirror and know you never did anything of the matter. But thats just me.

by passwordchanged

JKaras, you are absolutely right: I have NO unauthorized ANYTHING in my possession or on my machines. I talk the talk and walk the walk. And guess what? It's not that friggin hard to do.
You say: "Everyone is guilty of stealing, sampling, borrowing, or what ever you want to call it." I disagree. "Everyone" isn't guilty. Sounds like You have a Guilty Conscience though. Been stealing your big macs? tipping over soda machines? Walking home with a box of pens from work? You should look in the mirror. You're the freak show. Most people try to be honest.

by sbar

It depends what do you mean telling "steal".
Let's assume I've listened one song. I like it very much. And I sing it whole day - do I must to pay for it? And if I'm afraid to forget a melody or words - may I write words somewhere and may I record myself singing this song on recorder, do I must ask permission of RIAA or somebody else?
And if I keep this song in my memory - do I must pay for it too, or maybe I should forget about it and buy legal copy? Do we must pay when we listen music on the streets, radio, TV???
So, I can keep it in my memory - but not in memory of my computer?

by maxwell edison

The copyright laws to which these kinds of things apply are quite clear. You are free to keep anything in "your" memory (your brain), as much as you want, whatever it may be. That's always free of charge and perfectly legal. You can memorize songs, movies and even entire books - even volumes of books, or even an entire library of books and songs - all legal, and you won't have to pay even a penny.

But it is not legal to keep those things in any other form of "memory" without paying for them - that's a no-no - unless, of course, there's a disclaimer which allows you to do so.

by generalist

Actually, this does pose an interesting problem, especially as Virtual Reality gains ground and permits direct input to the human brain.

Would keeping a song or movie in VR memory be considered a copyright violation? Would a group like the RIAA or the BSA be able to force you to give up that memory, even if you got it from something like a concert or other venue?

While this isn't a big problem now, it could be one in the future.

by oz_media

Well we all have our moments, I just find I have many of them. :-)

As for Phillips co-designing the CD player, that's what I'd originally thought too. To be REALLY picky, it was actually Denon (who is the mother company for Phillips Electronics). Denon and Phillips released IDENTICAL units at the same time, the Denon was almost twice the price ($1099.99 CDA)though due to their name in the high-end audio market.

Talking of scaring women on the pisser, I came home when I was about 17, REALLY DRUNK, at about 3AM. When I ot up the stairs I grabbed the bathroom door handle and just walked into it, it was closed so instead of just pushing the door open, it crashed in with me laying on top of it, only to find my very surprised and screaming mother sitting on the toilet! (Mom's never sleep till the kids are safe at home)
I don't think I will EVER live that one down.

by oz_media

I had to back up the thread to post my response so I lost the postees name that had the chuckle, I thought it was Chas but it turns out to be yourself. EVen funnier, you know how pristine these elderly British women are! Coronation Street to the core.

by oz_media

"You should look in the mirror. You're the freak show. Most people try to be honest"

You say this after expecting to belive your statement that you have NO unauthorized software installed, you have NEVER made a cassette tape, you have NEVER recorded a movie from your VCR etc.

I say bullshit and you're full of it.

"You're the freak show" What kind of kiddie comment is that?!?

If you knew the FIRST thing about the RIAA, record companies and the industry, you'd have a completely different opinion, liar.

by passwordchanged

The sad truth is that thieves and cheaters like you OZ don't have any ethical or moral foundation on which to base your arguments. You assume everybody is a cheat and a liar because you are.Just because you CAN steal music and movies online doesn't mean it's OKAY to do so.

by oz_media

for so eloquently putting me in my place, boy am I red in the face now. Golly gee whiz, I just wish I wasn't so corrupt.

For someone like me to live in a world full of peaceful doo-gooders, it is amaing how I don't get spotted in a crowd!

You post has enlightened me, you understand human nature and psychoanalysis so accutely it really puts me in my place.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!

If you're American, GWB should be proud of such an upstanding and loyal citizen.

P.S. Can I have your address so I can take advantage of the one truthful and gullible American too? You should run for office.

by guruofdos

He's an asshole, or so he says. Only kidding Oz!

No, lets get serious. You are telling us you don't own and have NEVER owned a VCR or cassette recorder? I think you are talking out of your arse!

Or are you a weener? If so, perhaps you DON'T own such appliances but I'll bet Mummy and Daddy have one or other in the house and you have used them at one time or another!

by passwordchanged

you of all people should know better than to go around stealing people's music - ya youbought 50 cd's because you sampled them online. woo woo. you wouldn't have bought them otherwise. boo hoo.

hey if you steal, it's your karma you're fooling with.

by oz_media

"ya you bought 50 CD's because you sampled them online. woo woo. you wouldn't have bought them otherwise. boo hoo."

How many NEW CD's did you buy last month that you wouldn't have bought before because you didn't know the artist? If one, I'll give you points for that.
Now. How many CD's did you buy last month because you were loyal to an artist?

Now. How many CD's have you bought, period.

If I called each artist who's songs I'd never heard of but I downloaded and then bought the CD, how many do you think would be upset? None, you're right, another 2 points.

So go and do your part, but 50 CD's unheard and see how happy you are with them, all the songs.

Now, download 75 different songs, a couple from each artist. Do you think your 50 CD's you buy will be more appreciated? Yes, of course, another 2 points and a cupie doll for needs-a-raise, just don't neglect teddy for your new dollie.

by jkaras

Big Mac stealing? Big Mac Stealing? WHat am I the Hamburgler? Has anyone ever heard of a rash of people stealing big macs? Whoa pass the opium pipe there fella. You dont know what youre talking about. The point of my post was to point out the hypocritical black and white, right and wrong issue. There is such thing as the grey area that everyone indulges in whether purposedly or inadvertantly. It makes me laugh when people speak matter o factly pronouncing their inflated morality that they rarely follow. I merely put a mirror up to see everyone's flaws, we are human, not perfect. I have never met a person who didnt copy something lets face it there are scanners, cd burners, dvd burners, video tapes, tape records, with all forms of blank media. Whats their purpose for the ability to record? All these companies sold the public on the premise to copy whatever not back up data, not one company merchandised their product that way. There is no reason anyone needs this feature for home use only for professional use, but everyone has these items specifically to be able to copy their desired media. Even computer manufacturers marketed their computers to copy all media to sell their computers, including internet providers claiming high speed downloads for music and programs in their commercials and advertisements. Truth is everyone has bought and used these products and services. It is also truth that the so called artists that put out their music were loosing money on their concerts not their cd sales because people didnt have money to go to the shows forcing them to cancel tours or cutback on the tours. After Napster people began experiencing music that they were always curious about that wouldnt buy in the first place. The result was more appreciation for other music stimulated more crossover sales and a resurgence in concert sales that were going bankrupt due lack of talented perfomances and lame cds including blank media sales that stimulated many economies. The weak were culled where the quality al least the best of the horrible flourished. Its fact that cd sales still flourish despite sharing, movies still make tons of money as people still go to the movies and buy/collect all versions of the dvd/special editions. The artists arent mad only a few, its the RIAA and record labels who want every last penny that they could squese from the talented artists that could create our entertainment, they are leeches claiming someone stole their idea. Last time I looked firebird copied the camero, fiero copied the mr2, and everytime I go into a store there are many brands that look the same but they all couldnt have had the same idea. We were given this ability to copy as long as we dont make a profit from it. What you or I do with it is our business. If I buy something, lets say a book, I can burn it, wipe my ass with it, collect all copies, read it over and over, lend it to a friend, etc... They sold the product to me and its my property to do with as I see fit, they got paid according to the agreement.So tell me where all the high and mighty morality there is in business or in everyday life that everyone practices. IF I am kept from the pearly gates due to my copies that I dont make a cent off then so be it.

by passwordchanged

you guys are right
let's loot and pillage everything we can because by gosh, we CAN! if God didn't want us to pirate he wouldn't have made those vendors so smart as to make all that media we can use to pirate.
what a pathetic bunch of excuses.
what tell me is so friggin wrong with being a do-gooder and trying to dothe right thing, eh??>

by jkaras

I conduct my life with morality always looking before I decide. I strive to be perfect but know it unattainable but I still strive. What I am trying to point out that life isnt all black and white, by copying a song for personal use or whatever doesnt make me a bad person. Would you prefer a person who molests children, beats women, cheats others for gain, ect.., or a person that treats others well always offering assistence who happens to copy music without personal gain? Does that make me evil? To God or you? When I was raised I was taught to share, the experience is more fun and fulfilling as I'm sure you were when growing up and plan to instill that philosopy to your children. Why is that when we grow up that gets thrown out the window? "Dog eat dog world", "Let the buyer beware", "Enron", Manifest Destiny", "Liability"? The Indians (Native Americans) had it right, they shared the world content with all it offered. My heritage being white American were theives that lied, cheated, stole, enslaved and killed to get what they wanted and did because they were bigger and stronger then the Indians. We made our own excuses and still dont make amends for what we did, so we are not complete do gooders. We sue anyone that we can to get a free payday, just ask the lady who spilled her coffee on her crotch and blamed Mac Donalds, or the parents that prostituted thier children for a sleepover with M. Jackson so they could sue for millions ruining their precious children. The world is as ugly as it is beautiful and I appreciate all its wonders that puts a smile on my face and thankful for the opprotunity. So get off the high and mighty "my crappola dont stink like yours do", its called humility, try it on sometime Dorian Grey.
Looting and pillaging is wrong and destructive, copying is allowed and has for generations despite the tools to complete the act. Every piece of art, building, music, ideas, inventions, etc.. were built upon a basic idea or combination of ideas that evolved to everything present day nothing has been original for years. Nothing you possess or ability as in freedom is yours, you didnt make it, but you use it dont you? When a thief steals your property why is it yours and not the makers? Do they get a cut of the insurance check? Dont you fight for every last penny for something that really wasnt worth what they paid out? PLease change your name from NEEDS A RAISE to NEEDS A CLUE.

by oz_media

Nothying is wrong with being a do-gooder, if that's how you feel you are being a do-gooder. Perhaps other people have other ways of being do-gooders without preaching to the world how righteous they are.

It's like religeon, you don't have to be Christian to lead an honest and upstanding life and contribute to your community and the people around you. Yet religion is crammed down my throat every time I answer the front door on Sunday morning.

If you feel you are doing the right thing, then that is enough to keep you feeling good and right about yourself. No need to preach to others becuase they do something YOU feel is unjust. Maybe you do things that I feel are wrong or unjust, it's a matter of perception.

I can be a good human being and a benefit to society without attending church on Sunday.

I can share music (that I feel is okay) without jumping on the copyright wagon. I understand the background of the industry and how the money is divvied up, I also send more money on store bought CD's each month than most do in a lifetime.

by jellimonsta

Max, please be so kind as to explain how to keep something in memory, as I cannot seem to grasp the concept :oP

by guruofdos

I was almost as illiterate as your posts! It is pretty obvious that you and Neodragon are just another example of 'file-sharing weenies' who have nothing better to do than bother the rest of us who have 'real' issues to discuss.

We live in the 'real' world, have to produce results in real-time and get involved in real IT. Funny how that is also the tag-line for TechRepublic. The majority of us are in environments where getting involved with illicit filesharing or downloading pirateware like Kazaa could cost us our jobs or (at least in North America) land us with a huge fine or a jail sentence.

When we engage in 'recreational' debate, we talk politics, religion and a whole host of esoteric subjects. Judging by both your and Neo's inability to string together a correctly spelled, structured or punctuated sentence, most of the debates on here would be above you.

There is no excuse, other than ignorance or laziness, for such a writing style and this is reflected in the sort of questions that we get asked by Neodragons sort. Rather than bother to do any research, they ask people like us to assist with their 'illegal or immoral' activities. Obviously, reading the Discussion Forum FAQ was also too much for him/her prior to posting because then it would be obvious that the place to ask questions is in the Q&A area.

I will concede that his/her opening line in the post was at least admitting ignorance, but again, this is no excuse.

If you have something to say to me in future, the place to do so is in the forum, keeping everything in the context of the discussion. Only a silly little adolescent would post telling another similar person that they has sent me an email 'telling me off'.

On the grounds that some of us more 'mature' members have 'been down this road before' I will NOT quote or reveal the exact contents of your last email. However I will state here and now, that any subsequent message you send me privately from now on WILL be publicly posted in this forum. I am telling you this so that you are aware of the fact. Anything you wish to say to me you can say publicly. I don't think my reputation (such as it is) around here can possibly be harmed in any way by anything YOU have to say. If you aren't man (or woman) enough to post publicly and insist on sending assinine private communications, I WILL MAKE THEM PUBLIC.

You (and your sort) have been warned.

by guruofdos

Hence my comment that some of us more 'mature' members have 'been down this road before'.

I seem to recall I supported your justifications, but the general consensus was that publicly posting a private email, without permission of all parties concerned was perhaps treading on dangerous ground.

I have warned this person 'up front' and in advance of my intended actions. They either post publicly or a private message may be made public. There can be no whining after the event if something they wish to be kept private has been made public when they have been informed that this will happen. If they wish to keep their opinions to themselves then they know to do so, by not posting OR sending me private messages.

However, should I receive a message containing an apology or justification for the comments made and as a result of this my feelings are to then keep the message private, I reserve the right to do so!

Only a weak and cowardly individual calls people names behind their backs. If they are not prepared to do it 'face to face' or in public then they should keep their own counsel and button their lips.

by oz_media

Well said, 'NEO' isn't that the company that makes CD copy software? Good alias, way to expose your objectives.

by oz_media

DO you really give them THAT much credit as being men?

Don't hold your breath Guru, nobody cares about losers in this world anyway. bottom feeders like this ar better just stepped over than upon.

by passwordchanged

Thank you G.O.D. for being one of the few voices of reason in this thread
1) I'll give Ozmaniac credit for being partially right - some music 'sharing' leads some customers to go out and buy. But it still don't make it right. 2) Ozmania and others completely ignored my beef about MOVIES being stolen. Bands can go on tour; actors and movie studios HAVE to sell tickets or DVDs or rent their vids to make money. I scoured my tape library at home and I do have a couple of Andy Griffith marathon tapes - closest thing I have to unauthorized media. I'm going to dump them and go buy the dvd collection. gotta put my money where my do-gooding mouth is.
3) SOFTWARE PIRACY. The person who noted that MSoft got brand loyalty out of all those pirated MS DOS disks I think is right - MS got new customers long term but they still lost money at the time the software ws being copoied illegally.

To anyone who thinks pirating is ethically okay, I still would like to go into your place of business and take for FREE whatever you're making or selling and see how you like it. My guess is you won't. IT'S THE GOLDEN RULE FOLKS. DO UNTO OTHERS!

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