Why do online gamers cheat?

in most cases the reason that cheaters cheat is because they are the kind of people that HAVE to win, (the rest of us know it won't be the end of the world), and if they can not do it the normal way, they have to cheat.

It is a very big shame, wrecking the fun for everyone else, just so they can have some 'glory.'

Because they can't play, to be good they have to cheat.

They are sociopaths; they [b]have[/b] to win. They are the people who cut you off at a freeway ramp, speed up to keep you from passing, cut in front of you through a door, or grab merchandise from your shopping cart. They have the "He who dies with the most toys wins" bumper sticker. For these people, winning is more important than anything else, including ethics, family, and often even survival.

Had a chance once to talk to one. Back in the day, we would have a good game of Doom going on the college network and this guy would sign on. Latency would double or triple and we would start dying...and dying...and dying, often before we even finished regen. After a couple weeks of this, he signed on one day and we all signed off, leaving the playing field to him. We did it every day for the next couple of weeks. Then one day in NT Server class (it [u]was[/u] a while back!), it happened again and the guy next to me said "Why does everybody quit when I log in?" Eight guys in the classroom responded in unison "Because you're an a$$hole!" We tried to explain it to him, but he couldn't understand.

"We just want to play."

"Don't you want to win?"

"Sure, but even if we don't win, we have fun playing."

"How can it be fun if you don't win? There's no point playing if you don't win."

That's the attitude you're fighting.

But I haven't been able to answer it. I do know it ruins PC gaming. I think it might actually be a plus to console gaming that it is so much harder to cheat there. I have played online games for a long time, and have yet to find one where cheating is not an issue.

Come play on our server CG, at least obvious cheaters get banned :)

The spoiled kids are a gimme. Not only are they EVERYWHERE in online gaming (see the Chocolate Milk Incident on Youtube), but it seems to be more and more typical. The best way to deal with these brats is to make it boring.

A few buddies and I were playing Counter-Strike (YEARS ago), and there was a wall hacker. So we all stayed logged in (some were T, some were CT), got up and walked away. We grabbed a coffee, and too a little walk to stretch out the legs. When we came back, not only was jr not logged in, but he had "haxored" spray painted everywhere...

Good times.

As for the adults that do this...they never stopped being spoiled kids and are now just scary. They'd cut off their own legs if they thought it would make them "win." There's no way to deal with these guys. I've found it's best to really drive them insane. Drop a lil' DoS attack on 'em. Don't take their machine down, just lag them out. Watch them bust a gasket trying not to "lose." Good times...good times.

As for the strife, I suggest watching the flash video "Gonads and Strife" as often as possible.

That is all.

What's your K/D ratio?

What's your average ping?

What game type do you play? (TDM, Domination etc)

Hardcore or Normal?

This should shed some light on wether you're just a 'noob' or actually seeing cheaters. "You know those guys who rack up the most points, who can kill you with one bullet, and who seem to never die very much." That's me, except I don't cheat and there are players that are better that I can watch over their shoulder, they don't cheat either. It's unfortunate the netcode is so poor or I'd play on US servers.

I've won against wall hackers (Vacant pillars are excellent protection and he didn't have bombsquad) and aimboters, damn does that give them the shits, then record a demo of them cheating and send it to the server admin with guid. It's just sad when you see something like mombot messages pop up for someone sitting way down the score sheet with a kdr well under 1.

Particularly as other players usually know they are cheating. A rather bizarre state of affairs, but there it is. I have known people who cheat at just about every game I have ever played. I even know someone who won't play solitaire on the computer because 'he can't cheat'. Cripes. There is the admission of a real loser.

I think that often cheaters are driven to achieve things outside their own talent, they know that they cannot achieve these things due to a lack of talent, and so they cheat in order to achieve anyway and fool themselves into being satisfied with themselves (for the moment at any rate). Of course it becomes a vicious circle for the sheer fact that they know they cheated!

'One man's opinion'.

How does one cheat? Can you exceed or defeat the game parameters? If there are loopholes or cheat codes, shouldn't the programmers share some (most? all?) of the blame?

I was at a store the other day, a young guy parks in the handycap parking spot right next to the door (no stickers or anything) and strolls into the store.

I looked at him and said, "Oh, it must be mental, huh?"

He asked what I was talking about, so I said since he wasn't walking with a limp or anything, his handycap must be retardation because their didn't appear to be any physical issues.

He was less than pleased when people started to laugh.... They all felt the same way, but most people won't speak up. I am not what you would call "bashful" when it comes to things like that.

Attaboy for putting your pusher in her place. B-)

These things are paid per play, available on warez sites.

My servers permanently bans anyone who even advertises them in game, which does happen.

James

it is easier to download the hack someone else has done than it is to actually know anything yourself.

besides, most of the people that hack the games, that IS the game for them. they are bored with actual game play, but cracking that system first and getting your name out there with the hack... now there is fame!

The other issue is they often put backdoors in the hacks, like a keystroke logger, so the cheaters get their accounts cleaned out later on. poetic justice.

Don't have great gear, but I do have a killer chanter.... :D

And yes, finding a few cool people to regularly play with does keep it from getting boring because it is now as much a social gathering as playing a game.

Would also be nice to not always be the oldest person in the game. Have only met one person older to this point, and most are the same age as my twin boys. B-)

Thanks for the link.

jd

Got an account name to look for?

In BF2 we have vehicles and much bigger maps.

A jet pilot with a couple of thousand hours in (400 in jets) can easily get a KD or 40 or 50/1 if there are no equally skilled pilots against him. In maps where one side has a carrier, if the pilot is hit he can easily repair and rearm in seconds then go hunting again. Against the best pilots, you don't even want to get into a tank or APC because they are larger targets for jets.

We do have some servers set to infantry only. But in Battlefield we also have a medic class which can heal wounded soldiers. So if you play in a squad with a medic against incompetent opposition, you can wrack up a high count.

My best Infantry Only score was 36/3 my medic revived me maybe 6 times. And many things factor - in BF2 commanders can spot enemies for you which really helps, medics can heal you, etc.

So am I a 10:1 KD player - not at all, but I've gotten lucky sometimes, and unlucky others.

My KD is directly affected by the level of competition I face. On my own clan's server, if I am playing against my better clan mates, they clean my clock. But they play in a competitive league. If I take those same skills to a "vanilla" server I do very well. But I actually prefer the competition, I've unlocked every weapon and at this point I'm just having fun.

Of course there are cheaters. Now with the recent changes to punkbuster we ban 1 or 2 a day on 3 servers. We also get glitchers - people who find holes in solid walls etc, but we usually track them down and ban them as well.

But the point is that for every hackusation, we find few hacks users. We ban many more people for blatant disregard of the server rules or stats padding.

James

Being an admin an a COD4 server..

I know that there are cheaters. But Don't forget that there are good players who aim right on the head and only need one shot for a kill.

I had it a view times.. You're in a game, every shot is a hit (sometimes you have it, some time you don't :P ), 20 kills later ... CHEATER!!! Then my reply is "thank you".

My point is, don't shout cheater to soon. It's not easy to point out a cheater. Deal with the fact that there are players who don't sleep and play 10 hours a day. The reaction time and accuracy from these guys are enormous. They turn around a corner and assume someone is there, so if you are they kill you in a sec. and you think, how did he knew that, he must be wallhacking.

Another example.... We have a sniper player who get scores of 40 - 5 easy.

Why cheaters cheat? Hmmm I wish I knew. Maybe mommy doesn't love them?

But I hate them, BIG time.

They can't play well by themselves so they cheat to make themselves feel better.

I don't play many PC games. I just stick to console games. I will also admit I'm not the greatest gamer. I do however play every game I buy on "Hard" first. If that proves too difficult then I step it down to "Normal", but under no circumstances to I look up cheat codes until after I beat the game. I think that adds to the replay ability.

Back to my question, is console gamming prevelant as well? I play Halo 3 and COD4, and I swear sometimes people just don't die or they are extra fast. I can handel people kill with one shot. That is just good aim, but not being killed and super fast has to be cheating right?

I just bought COD-Game of the Year Edition. I knew it was good but only used my computer for "business" even thought this is my home computer. I went through the game and discoved it was great. I then thought MULTIPLAYER haven't done that since DOOM. I went on and was getting my a** kicked. It wasn't fun and then I searched for the cheats because I figured there was no way everyone else could be that good. I installed Punkbuster instead and despite the fact that it doesn't prevent all cheats it made me feel better about the fact that I sucked not that everyone was cheating. A few long afternoons, evenings, and nights later and I am almost at a 1/1 KD which at least gets me in the competitive area. I excel at average!

Good read all.

If so I need to check it out. If not maybe I'll get it for my PC. Is a Pentium D, 2g of RAM and a Nvidia 7350 card good enough?

Maybe I'll check it out anyway.

They are all Patriots fans.

I have always been a pretty marginal opponent, but detest cheating and those who do. It negates scoring and literally ruins the game for ALL other players who do not use "aids". In fps games it is really a pain and there seems to be NO way to get them kicked. Sometimes, it is the ADMIN who "seems to be" cheating so that is just a factor of that site. I really enjoyed SOF2 until the cheating got so rampant... Cheating degrades both the Cheater and the game itself... please don't cheat.....

He can eat your lunch in Halo. You'll be bopping along and he'll say "Check your six!" and nail you as you're turning! We have Halo parties occasionally and he'll be the kill champ after more then half of them.

Edit: Of course, it's possible I'm that bad :D

It's a 1.9L 5-speed, with no modifications. But I take care of it, which has a lot to do with it. As long as I have a running start, it pulls the hills without a downshift.

I've also owned VW in some form or another for over 40 years, so you don't have to tell me about the Jetta. :D

Edit: yes

But let me have that brat for a week........ Parenting (or lack therof) is probably the real issue. This kid needs a reality check!!!

Its a multi day multi stage race held in rural Newfoundland.

It attracts a few "ricers" and its fun to watch the footage of the race and watch the stupidly low body cladding get shredded. What works fine on well maintained roads that never get frost heaves is crazy on roads that go through the freezes and thaws and potholes and bumps caused by winter.

James

D@mn! There went the air dam! :^0

The funny thing about this whole cheating issue is that the same people who are calling for the heads of these cheaters, are first reminding everyone how some ppl (including themselves) are just "that good". Kinda makes you wonder exactly how many cheaters are out there huh? You know who you are.....

I've gotten lucky a couple of times. I found a nice 'hidden' spot and got an air drop and a helicopter, both of which got a bunch of kills. I died - maybe suicided, don;t remember - then did it aain, as I spawned close to the same spot.

The other team got annoyed. When the same map restarted and I did it again - same people, same teams (I guess), - they got too annoyed and I got kicked.

I downloaded a game hack once for a Half-life 1 mod - 10-15 years ago. never used it.

... that a turbo Carrera engine and tranny was a direct bolt in replacement for a VW Beetle engine and tranny, that a little suspension work can't be seen unless you are under the car, and the old beetles had surprisingly good aero with only really minor body modifications? Neither did any of the hot rodders in my home town in the late 70's. But they did learn! :)

They want the reward without doing the work...

The sad thing is that you'll have do deal with these mentalities off-line too :(

When I first bought the car, it already had 75,000 miles on it.
I told my father about it (another VW/Porsche nut like myself)
and his response was "Oh, someone broke it in for you."

I decided to stretch its legs a little bit shortly thereafter.
Once I got it past 110, you couldn't really tell you were going
that fast, it handled so well.

I've had similar scores on numerous occasions, in fact there are screenshots of some on the gamingsa.com.au forums. Airstrikes and choppers in COD4 make racking up very good KDR easy if you have the patients or some luck.

This really just says to me you're one of the cannon fodder doubting the ability of any decent player to achieve a 10-1 kdr on a public server.