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by msit 1 view

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Sorry, This post is closed and resolved. Thanks.

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by mjd420nova

If your job and reputation are at stake, REPORT IT. If your job requirement is such that it
should be reported, REPORT IT. If this user is seperate from your network on his own DSL line
and his own machine, let him poker away. I had a
similar occurance but the user hit a stone wall when it came to giving him administrator permissions, That's the biggest NO-NO and I
held the line and he uses his own laptop that
is using someones wireless connection to pay
his games. The owner of the wireless is offsite
and not my problem so I'll in the clear.

by msit

That's just the problem. This is not his machine. It is a Gov machine! If this machine get compromised how do I explain it?

by bfilmfan

Report that incident to the security control organization.

For the military, it is DISA. Trust me that DISA is NOT afraid of the union...

For other agencies, it varies. If you are not sure, send me an email on my link and I will ask around and get you the correct agency to report it.

by master3bs

I know you said the post was closed, but in response to this question, documentation is key.

I'd continue to press the issue, and have done so in the past. But if your boss forces you to allow something that should not be allowed, document everything to protect yourself.

by noyoki

Paperwork, Paperwork, Paperwork!

Record the meeting with your boss showing your disaproval. Get HIM to take responsibility for giving the usr admin. This way it is off your shoulders and you can show that you tried to stop this, and were told to do it.

Any e-mails that may have been sent/received on the issue (better than the meetings in some cases, because your boss can't just say "That never happened!", logs don't lie) keep in a safe place.

If possible, have the usr sign something that he knows that the gov't banner should be there and he doesn't want it. If not, have the boss sign it.

Anything signed, keep either the original or a copy. Doesn't have to be in any special format. "I understand the laws of the Government and I take full responsibility for the removal of ____ banner", is just as binding.

In short, anything that you can find that you disaprove of, log it! In addition to reporting it, this will give you the leverage to keep yourself out of trouble.

by msit

I thought I was right. I like the manager and didn't want to get him in trouble because he is not as familiar with IT like the supervisor is. I'll check to see if I can report this!

by c.reifert

Well, it says it was resolved, but Inquiring minds (mine) would like to find out what happened. :)

Will

by master3bs

it seems odd that the original post was edited. Did the post become public knowledge at the work place?

by jeff.allen

Don't be afraid if this guy wants to involve the Union. Most Unions know what the rules are and if they have any sense (which most do), they will tell this guy the facts of life.

by aaron a baker

How lucky for this employee that he wasn't addressing Me with his "Union Threat". Right after he picked himself up off his ass, where I put him, I would have explained the few things to him. I a very clear voice, he would have been told that "I'm the boss" He does it the way I want or hit's the road. No union will back somebody that stupid. Then I would remind him that even in the "God Almighty" world of Unions there are laws of coexistence and they "Shall " be obeyed. The first of these laws is {I'm the boss, your boss and I don't get told by you, what to do in my own shop."
If he still felt like he needed to get into my face, I would more than welcome the opportunity, and thereby establish once and for all who rules here.
Let the Union rep come, give him the scenario and remind him of the same thing. This isn't a Union problem, it's a mental deficiency and lack of spine problem. This deficient shouldn't have a job today, but alas and thanks to you, he does, that means that you can expect more of this conduct until you get a Spine Transplant and kick his arrogant butt right off the property. Let the Unions comes and don't back down, NEVER Back Down. Do you rule or do they? You think the union is going to concerned with a two bit tin horn like this, WRONG!! Unions might be a pain in the Butt with a way Overinflated sense of their own worth but they're not stupid. They only take on things they know they can win, they would have lost this one and you know it. Too bad you gave them and this little creep the win.
What about "Your duty to your Bosses?" What happened to that? and now what should happen to you because you couldn't bring yourself to act as you know full well you should have.
I'm sorry my friend, but if it were me, you both would be out of a job. The Mental Deficient for not following orders and especially you for not having the guts to knock him on his ass when you had the chance and the Unions be dammed. For not standing up for your Bosses,
You Sir, Should be gone too.
Have good Day
Aaron

by noyoki

What you propose is a d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't situation. In as far as the network goes, I may be the IT Manager, but the Managing *Partner* is still my boss. And if I told off another Partner for anything, either one or both could, and probably would, fire me. My "duty" to my bosses is to keep their network as free of viruses as possible. If a breach occurs from something one of the four partners has me take off, I have it clearly documented that I was against it to cover myself, but what am I really to do?

Also, if the original poster worked for you, it would be YOUR job, as their superiour, not theirs. Middle management is one of the worst jobs ( http://tinyurl.com/7myyu ) at best. You're going to get blamed for anything going wrong, and you're going to get blamed for doing something right but obstrusive.

Some of us are willing to work with their bosses. We need our jobs. You apparently don't.

by aaron a baker

This man was "Threatened" with the use of the Union. Just how far do really think would go if it went at all? I don't get threatened, I put too much effort and if I may say so "Dam%^&d hard" work in my job to have to tolerate this kind of behavior. Especially from a person who is supposedly "Under Me?" I don't think so!! I need my job as badly as anybody else, but NOT at this expense and if you're willing to tolerate being trod on jut to keep what is obviously not worth keeping then all I can say is "Good for you" As for me, I'll working somewhere else. Someplace where I'm appreciated and above all, someplace where if some jerk tries to pull one of these on me, he's walking. We're not talking "Partners here" We're talking about an arrogant jerk who threatened his own Boss, remember? And the Boss took it, Aye, there's the rub. As stated, I need my job, but I will Never allow myself to need it this badly, I'll move to India and claim to be from Texas,first.
Regards
Aaron

by noyoki

If I remember right, as I read it at least...

She was saying someone ABOVE (or at least on the same level in a different department than) her was raising the stick. Not BELOW her. This person did not work for her! Rather, it seemed like the poster worked under him! Would you tell a CEO that he can't do this, you being just IT Staff, and expect the IT Manager to back you?

Sorry, the partners, CxO's, etc, are the ones paying/approving your salary. You keep telling them no, you aren't going to find work again ever. You are there to administer the network. As an "underling", it is not your decision to make.

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