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by papa_bill
by ansugisalas
by hal 9000
And look for a Long Wait while the guy in the Parts Department finds me a Square Drill so I have drill a Square Hole in some metal.
Then I'll go looking for some Plycraft Welding rods to weld that Plywood boat together. :p
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by hal 9000
Not the Water Cooler where we are supposed to have some fun.
With the continued Specialization of TR being brought in perhaps you might like to go there for all of these silly side issues that are completely Irrelevant. ;)
Now it it pronounced Bit or Byte? ?:|
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by hippiekarl
by ansugisalas
by ansugisalas
The original started out with a criticism of the use of since without a time-aspect: "Since I don't do A, I can't know B".
I responded with criticizing the concept of language authority. Who gets to decide what the language should be.
Come to that, what the hell is a language anyway; where do you find "The Language", and how do you keep that apart from the way the language is used?
Let's start with that, in case anybody is interested.
by ansugisalas
Sure, it's in here, the language.*taps temple*
And I can tell from the words coming out of your keyboard, that you've got one too, a language... but they can't be the same one, can they? (both are englishes, but not the same)
So, what are they? And what's this outside thing we all talk about, point to... where's the Language? And how does the Language relate to each language?
by hippiekarl
It's found in all of us, and we all supply the shifting consensus of 'standard usage'. For example, every five years a seemingly random word (or phrase) is chosen to replace 'great'. They ripple out from their origin to the extent that other people, on hearing the word in a new, but immediately recognizable context, 'vote' it into usage by, well, their usage. If you saw something you thought was 'neat', and someone else remarked that it was 'choice', you understood that there was (or was possibly going to be) a new word for 'snazzy'.....and it was now up to you to help make it happen or not.
BTW, you can thank us 50-somethings for 'cool'; we actually dethroned 'out of sight' (an extension of 'far out', and one I think we all could have done without) with it....
How it was that 'far out' knocked off 'groovy' I'll never know!
A comma after "it" in your title. Spread it out a little for easier reading. I appreciate, though, your otherwise being agreeably compact.
Your paramount "50-somethings" -- that's another matter.
by hippiekarl
*taps temple*. When it comes out, it's as ephemeral as music...and if any two of us sight-read and played 'Bolero' (for example), an astute listener would realize we'd both just 'quoted Ravel', but they'd also be able to detect differences in 'phrasing' that result from our own 'versions' of the language (music).
Some of the English 'versions' I have installed:
*vernacular
*jargons of various milleus
*standard English (as I understand it!)
*regionalism(s), each with idiosyncratic terms, syntaxes, and accents/inflections
How about the rest of you?
by ansugisalas
you have *standard English*... it has a generic name, but it is unique to you. You use it for communicating with people whose native language is distant from your own native language (even if both languages are also instances of English). So, *standard English* is a sort of pidgin trade language - a tool you break out when there's too much noise in the background for the finer tools.
And your *standard English* exists inside your head. Where did it come from? How did it get there? How did other people learn their instances of *standard English*? How can we define a Language - Standard English - so that these versions of it can be contained in it?
by hippiekarl
by ansugisalas
What if we say that the capital L Language is not a language at all, but rather a set of compliance features, excluding all languages that don't fall within a set of fuzzy tolerances. Like a certification for a specific technology; the technology is what it is, but if it complies to standards it will be treated differently than if it didn't.
This is something else than comprehension... he register the subLanguages on the fly, without ever dipping into manual decipher mode. Manual decipher mode is what you do when you do a double-take before understanding what you were told.
Don't confuse that with Fuzzy Decipher Mode which is what happened when at first you didn't think you heard what was said, but then you realize you did hear it, after all...
by hippiekarl
by hippiekarl
...roping off clauses on the other thread. How's this for improv: "What is it (if not a communal agreement)?"
*I wouldn't call my generation 'paramount', but 'cool' HAS stood the test of time, hasn't it? In another 30 years we can look back in and see how 'def', 'dope', 'rad', and 'phat' are faring in general acceptance as evinced by ongoing continued usage. It's not like we stopped a BS war (and a megalomaniacal president) by largely non-violent means, or anything(!), but 'cool'--------that was OUR big contribution to culture.
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