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CISCO MUST BE CRAZY!!!!!

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Is it the money, or is there some logic behind CISCO's decision to have people do an exam every three years to keep their certification current? (Two years for CCIE)

WE DO HAVE A LIFE YOU KNOW!!!!

Before, someone could keep their CCNA certification for six years before redoing the exam, now they say 3 years. THAT'S CRAZY!!

For someone at the Associate level, let's say a Network Admin, LAN technology doesn't change much over 3 years, much less WAN. At least not nowadays anyway. Look how long it took Gigabit Ethernet to make its way into the market, and even then some people still build their fiber network on 10/100 technology. I know, I designed a 10/100 and a 10/100/1000 network and the client chose the 10/100 because there just wasn't a need for the latter.

I think certification fees, books etc. is creating a little industry in itself that is fattening itself on people's need to be certified.

I think a CCNA cert should last five years and CCNP - four years. CCIE should last forever, but the holder of a CCIE would be required to do an exam based solely on new technology every three years or they will lose their certification.

GIVE US A BREAK MAN, I NEED TO SPEND TIME WITH MY FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!! SHEESH!!!!

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by andy_ex-uk

I just passed my CCNA a couple of weeks ago, and I'm not concerned that it will only last for three years. I know I can recerify by just passing the INCD exam, or any CCNP exam, and I expect to be a CCNP within the next three years anyway. To work in the computer/network field you need to be committed to constant study and research anyway.

Of course, it could just be that Cisco has dollar signs in its eyes :)

by robotech

A friend of mine just went to a job interview yesterday, this is like a HUGE step up from what he's doing right now(from 3 Servers to 60!!). He was interviewed by 7 persons, and not one person asked him about certifications. They didn't even care. What they asked him was, can you do this? Can you do that? How would you handle this? Have you ever done that before?
I manage the CISCO routers where he currently works, and all I have is an MCP in Win2K Professional.
The CCNA certification originally lasted 6 years, what, did they make a mistake at the beginning?
No one who goes through the trouble of getting CISCO certified is likely to forget anything in three years, and the technological advances do not warrant recertification in 3 years.
The economy is not encouraging tech spending, companies are not running out to buy new technology, they are even less willing to pay for an employee's certification when it doesn't change how the employee does his/her job.
I once told a client I was Microsoft certified, and their response was: 'I don't care what certification you have, as long as this thing is running I'm happy.'
If CISCO continues with this nonsense, then certifications are going to loose their value. A certification shows that the person has been working with the technology for at least nine months, you don't get certified and then find a job, though it can also work that way. Certification exams deal with real life situations and how to handle them. That's why at my friend's interview no one cared about certs, only experience.
I think CISCO is trying to raise money because tech spending is down. They are also getting stiff competition from companies like ADTRAN and D-LINK that have web based interfaces, and their hardware is cheaper and just as good. Not to mention the web interfaces which make configuration a snap (no pun intended). No more encap frame-relay, just point and click. FUNCTIONALITY and SIMPLICITY, that's what counts.
If Cisco doesn't adapt by lowering it's prices and providing free web interfaces for all it's products, it's going to continue to loose a huge market share. I just did a fiber network with D-LINK hardware because the customer was not willing to spend the money on a Cisco based network, and guess what? It's running fine, no problems.

by uofm

Actually, they don't make that much money on the tests and certs. Its mostly handled by the testing agencies (that's why even Cisco employees have to pay for tests). But thats not the issues. As for recerts, if you ARE getting a cert because that's what you do everyday, there shouldn't be too much studying that you need to do (at least not enough to make it an issue with your family). Recertification is a way to ensure that those who have them are not stagnant in terms of technology.

And sinced you mentioned CCNA and MCSE, both of these are vendor based, which makes it more important for them to 'expire' certs. They want to ensure that these experts are on top of the technology, AND the products.

As for your customer that's using D-Link. Good for him if that's all he needs. But some larger organizations rather pay more for the support as well as enhanced features that the larger vendors such as Cisco offers. To each their own.

by johnnywatt

I would have to say certifications DO make an impact on both resumes and current position within an organization. I've seen it first hand. You shouldn?t be disgruntled about re-certifying in 3 years. This does add value to your CCNA title.
I have to laugh about your comment on managing Cisco Routers. Managing Cisco routers are easy. When the WAN goes down, reboot the router. Still not up? Call your Circuit provider. That?s about it. Now, configuring, programming, enhancing and implementing Cisco solutions is another ball game.
D-LINK is a great manufacturer of appliances; especially for a SOHO solution, but I can?t see a comparison to Cisco in technology and network service. If you grabbed a CCNA or Cisco manual and compared that to a D-Link manual I think you would see. And, if I may say, Cisco is rock hard and you pay for that.

by tomsal

As someone who's been in networking for a few years and is finally getting the paper (Cisco) to back up the experience, I see nothing in the slightest that is wrong with a 3 year re-cert cycle. In fact I think its kinda cool, as I think it adds a little bit more value to Cisco certs.

by young_devildog

I am in the currently in the process to ceritfy CCNA. I am doing it to increase career opportunities and income. Now it seems that the extra money I'll get I will be giving it back to Cisco in re-certifying. I belive in keeping current with your cert. But every 3 years. This is rediculous.

by duangdaouk

Yes I agree with you so much,People think you do these exams in 2 weeks?CCNP should be 5 years,After I get my CCNP I'm not gonna take my CCNP again only CCNA.

by secure_lockdown9

if the technology/products aren't changing, why have to re-cert on them.

fyi - with MCSE, they don't expire. you just aren't certed in the latest product. thats all.

by uofm

I think that's the issue here.. while the underlying technology may not have changed much, the products are changing... and the certification that is in question here is Cisco. While there may not have been a lot of change in IPv4. The cisco products have a lot more features now than even 2 years ago. So as a technical or associate that is supposed to know the product, you really need to be certified every few years.

And to Robotech's question regarding this, if you indeed have not forgotten anything. What's the harm in taking another test? It really shouldn't take too much time, my CCNA test took 10 mins. The only thing is money - and you're company should be forking that. Otherwise, why are you getting it then?

by kgbkele

I am sick and tired of fixing stuff for these paper techs who get hired by an HR person for the job. Certifications are ok however, 50% should be real world experience and not some guy tinkering in his bedroom... just my opinion.

by robotech

I don't have CCNA, but I'm a router consultant for a company that has a 2600 and 5 1620 routers on a frame relay, plus an Internet connection.
I know what routing is, I studied it in college and I worked for a consulting company that installed Cisco routers at various client sites.
I've never configured a Cisco router for an IPX/SPX network, and even though I've done it for practice, I certainly won't retain the info, because I don't use it.
With DSL and Cable Modem service so easily accessible, plus fractional T1, who even bothers to consider ISDN these days? Hubs aren't even made anymore (to the best of my knowledge).
I have a friend who got his CCNA in his last year at vocational school, he later studied English and has no plans to work in ITT. I bet you he could land a job just by having his CCNA.
I was a Beta tester for the new Network Plus exam, and even though the results aren't available yet I'm sure I passed.
Network + is by no means easy. If you are ignorant of the technology you will fail. I think that's the most important thing, knowing that the technology is there and HOW to use it. The configuration will vary, not so much because of technology but because of software or hardware releases.
There are very few people who work with every feature available in a Cisco router. Like me, I think most persons work with the most common features and if they need to do a special config every now and then, they download a sample config from Cisco's website etc.
As I said, two years is ridiculous!
Six years was okay, and Cisco changed it to two for $$$$$ reasons. Certification is a big business, both for those who make products and those who are in the Cert industry.
If I am hiring someone, I don't need Cisco to tell me if he/she is keeping up with technology. I need to know if that person understands the basics, as well as the underlying principles. Can that person analyze and think logically? If that is the case they can read a whitepaper or a configuration brochure, they don't need to recertify for that.

by uofm

So... you don't even have a CCNA - or I guess by the sound of it, you find it useless... which is fine - you're not the only one.

Then...I have no idea why you started this thread complaining about how their recert policy is affecting your family life...

What's your point??

by robotech

I started studying for CCNA when I was working for a consulting company. I lost my job as fallout of 9/11 (customers started canceling projects).
I eventually got to the point where I felt I needed a networking cert to show what I knew and to better my job search opportunities.
Using the same material, I took the exam, only to realize that the syllabus had change and I didn't know. Not only that, the CCNA now expired after 3 years and not 6 as before.
Cisco says the test isn't adaptive, but I've taken it twice and it keeps throwing at me questions related to a topic that I had trouble answering. The questions also appear too complex, given the time limit, and given the fact that one has to configure routers etc. I thought it was just crazy. I know people who have gone to Cisco academy or the special training facilities etc. and they don't have such a problem. In fact, the questions they get are less tedious and challenging. I don't want to be crying 'sour grapes' or anything, but I just don't like what I have seen. And to add to all of that, I couldn't take blank paper inside the exam, I got their stupid 'magic marker' play pad that I had to erase with my hand, so that I could write more stuff. I couldn't even skip a question and then answer it later.
To me, that's not 'real world' testing. I work with Cisco routers successfully, and I can teach a thing or two to many paper CCNA's who I see do weird router configs all the time.
Now, with so many products on the market, all I need is my Network+ to show that I understand routing, and then I can read the manufacturers manual to figure out the rest. There are even free online videos one can use to learn to their interfaces, and many are web based.
Microsoft showed us a long time ago that GUIs are much faster, intuitive and user-friendly than command line syntax. A network Admin already has too many things to remember; mentally storing command line strings that may become obsolete down the road is just an unnecessary burden.
And many companies give the GUI interface free, plus free downloads for a patch that will correct a bug or vulnerability in the software or add additional functionality. No expensive support contracts!
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