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After some discussion in another thread on a totally unrelated subject (https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=274994&messageID=2605889), Tiggie-poo recommended that we have a discussion on Geek Dating Tips, relationships and all manner of interpersonal relationships.

So here we go. After 8 years here, I think I can share this lil tale of relationship disaster:

This is a true story...

Remember when they used to put that on TV Movies of the week, but I digress...

I was once dating this lady.

And being the thoughtful and romantic kind of guy that I was, I let myself get talked into buying her some lingerie by one of her friends. Said friend told me that lady liked corsets and had this secret desire to play out an entire romantic fantasy scene ala pre-French Revolution period.

So, being inspired by visions of a happy lady in my life, I took myself down to said specialty store and bought a corset. I even took one of her bras to make sure I got the correct size.

When I gave her the gift later that weekend after a nice dinner, which I cooked, she made the comment, "That's too small for me." When I stated that I had taken one of her bras and made sure by pestering the sales lady several times, she quickly let me know that she wasn't happy with me by suddenly developing a headache and going to bed.

Feeling rather rejected, later the next week, I made the comment, "Why look at the new show on the schedule dear. It's Wonder Woman and she is wearing a corset. It must fit, look at that huge smile she has."

This apparently made her angry as I later awakened to find my head encased in at what I first took to be a lace fringed bag, but soon realized was the aforementioned corset.

Soon afterwards, we stopped dating.

So the lessons which I learned from this event are:

Don't trust what her friends tell you as they might not always be right.

Don't assume that just cause she wears a certain size bra that the same size corset will fit.

Don't tell a woman that Lynda Carter looks good on TV in a corset.

And NEVER, EVER sleep with a person that might turn lingerie into an impromptu straight jacket for your head.

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by jamesrl

NEVER trust a woman's single GF. They will sabotage your relationship any chance they get, unless they are happily married.

If they say go, you should stop.

James

by bfilmfan

That was over 2 decades ago and I really did learn that lesson!

Maybe one of the single ladies can explain that thinking to me, cause I sure don't get it at all!

by tig2

Jealousy. If they are single and one of the number is mated, either everyone must be mated so that you can go out as a group or everyone must be single so that when the girls get together for girls night out, the playing field is level.

A disproportionate percentage of my friends are male for just this reason. We are all happy when one finds a mate and it doesn't impact our group dynamic.

by cupcake

At least for me, the purchase of lingerie is a gift for you (the man)
not the woman.

Don't get me wrong as I, and many of my girlfriends and sister, love
lingerie and will buy many dollars worth. And wear it for the lucky
guy in my life (when he deserves it) :-)

BUT when purchased by the man for said woman in his life
communicates something entirely different than is probably
intended:

A. You aren't sexy enough
B. You need to spend more time being sexy for me
C. I was spending time in lingerie shop around other women
D. I am tired of you and need props

...well you get where I am going with this.

Bottom line... women think differently than men.

by tig2

Unless you have reached the point where you are considering financing options for the engagement ring, DO NOT BUY LINGERIE FOR YOUR PARTNER!!! I can't stress this enough. You will invariably purchase the wrong size and then compound your error by choosing the wrong style. Finally, the purchase will be a total loss because the store will have a no exchange/refund policy. Seriously, guys. It is safer to play Russian Roulette with a fully loaded revolver. Ignore this advice at your own peril!

In the early 90's, my ex was overseas in the Gulf and it was Christmas time. My then mother in law shipped gifts to me so that I could ship them on to the ex. In that box, she included a gift for me. A long black nightgown with a handkerchief skirt. This item was never intended to be worn for the purpose of sleep. It was intended to be left in a puddle on the floor for the purpose of NOT sleeping. She included a note that indicated that I should wear this item on the ex's return to the States.

Hmm. Perhaps not the best of ideas on her part. It was well over a year before I spoke to her again and the "nightgown" never got further than the bottom of my bottom drawer. Until, that is, it mysteriously disappeared.

If you are really set on buying a gift of lingerie for someone, the easy (and possibly only) way to do it is to go lingerie shopping with the intended giftee. This gives you the opportunity to see the kinds of things that she is interested in. Always get a gift receipt. And only shop in stores that she likes.

Even better, buy jewelry. It always fits.

by nicknielsen

who is reading this thread over my shoulder (and laughing her a$$ off at it :( ), if you want to buy her clothes of any kind, give her a gift card and let her pick them out.

And don't buy a Victoria's Secret gift card if she prefers Frederick's of Hollywood.

Edit: clarify

by tig2

That I have independent confirmation! Thank you!

With the SO, I simply ask him what he wants and go get him one. The one time I didn't do that (the TV set last Christmas) it was a problem. If it is something technical, I make him go with me.

That isn't to say that I never buy him a gift that he isn't aware of in advance, I do. But those tend to be more casual gifts too.

I am not above giving him a gift card to a technical toy store.

by charliespencer

Unless she has specifically asked for it, never give a woman anything with a power cord, batteries, or a two-cycle engine.

Oh, and jewelry DOESN'T always fit. My wife has no use for rocks or metal.

by tig2

I had forgotten that about your wife. But, while I know another woman who is not much for jewelry, in general the statement holds true.

A friend and I were talking about the gift her husband gave her last year- a sewing machine. All of the other people at the table assumed that her husband ended up in the doghouse for that gift. I know my friend is a seamstress and that the gift was a perfect one for her.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

I have received over the years, a chainsaw, a leaf blower, a weed eater, a lawnmower, a vacuum, for birthdays and anniversaries. These are not birthday, anniversary, Valentine's Day items.

And whatever you do, don't buy the same dozen roses for every occasion. Have, and show, some imagination for crying out loud. Once you get deadly dull and predictable, you're freaking history.

by oz_media

DeBeers slogans for diamonds have evolved over the years.

"Diamonds are a Girls best Friend"
has now become
""Diamonds: Render her speechless."

Why don't they just go ahead and say it? "Diamonds: That'll shut her up... for a minute."

LOL :D

by the scummy one

the right model/make machine!

As these days everybody has a pre-conceived idea about what they should get for a gift, and often will not tell anyone, I have a policy in place.
1. Get a few small gifts
2. Get at least a couple of 'joke' gifts
3. The main gift is a gift card, if they do not like it, I'll use it instead :D

that takes away all of the hassles of disapointments in gifts

by nicknielsen

My source says, "If you want to buy me clothes or jewelry, go with me or give me the gift card. [u]Don't[/u] buy clothes or jewelry for me if I'm not there! I'd rather have the gift card than something I wouldn't have chosen for myself."

by the scummy one

every time (whether it's Christmas, B'day or even wedding gift (from a registry even) I tend to get the wrong 'model' of something.

Take this for example, on a registry, was a rice cooker. I got an easy to use rice cooker/steamer (for veggies/etc.). I had one (about 3x the cost too) and I love it. It is easy to use and clean.
Anyway, although nothing bad was said at the wedding, after a few weeks I was informed by yet a 3rd party that they were upset with it and went and picked up a rice cooker.
When I asked them about it, they said it was fine -- however, when visiting they had a rice cooker out, and the gift I got was nowhere in sight.

I picked up a blower for my bro, cause the leaves piled up quickly in his yard, and he hated raking them. He complained several times about having to rake them. For Christmas, I got him a blower -- bad choice, I got him a Craftsmen Electric blower, and he wanted some other brand. Guess what, I have the blower now and I gave him something else.

again, wrong brand

Another bro wanted an air compressor -- didnt say which except that it was on sale. guess what! Not the right one -- again.

Now I give out gift cards and if they think it is a bad idea (or anybody else) I dont give a sh!t.

by jdclyde

And have already been in a position (or two) to have seen her tastes in undergarments.

Of course, if caught grabbing a set to get the correct size, she is going to be checking the rest of her stock to see if it is stretched out or not.... :0

And women sometimes forget, the undergarments are NOT gives for THEM. Men, remember who they are really for, and don't give them as a gift for THEIR birthday, give it to them as a gift for YOUR birthday.

If you are NOT sure about the size, don't do it!!!!! (if you do, always go small!).

If you are not serious, stay away (WAY AWAY) from any rings. A nice necklace/earring set is nice... B-)

As for the single friend, as you found out, never assume they have your best interests at heart. Be doubly careful if they trash talk someone else in her group of friends, or her. It could be to get you started, and it WILL get back, and YOU will be outathere!

As a wise king once said "run away! run away!" B-)

by nicknielsen

Brookstone or ThinkGeek gift cards are almost always appropriate.

Again, know your recipient. Since I buy tools when/if I need them, I would be less enthused with a Craftsman gift card than I would with a Brookstone or even Best Buy card.

by jdclyde

The only time I go for the gift card is to give to a teenager that is the son/daughter of a friend. Don't know them enough to know what they like, and are only getting a gift via association. And THEN it is for a whole MALL, or a specialty store that I know they like.

People have gotten to far away from why they are buying the gifts in the first place.

by gsg

In our family, we all got together and agreed on a few things.
1) Best gift is not having to shop the Maul (yes, I meant to spell it that way)
2) I want techie stuff, and I'm the only techie in the family.
3) They want non-techy stuff, and I always mess it up.
4) Let's just all get each other gift cards.

Gift cards are the main gifts, but I might see a sweatshirt that Dad would like, or a knick knack for Mom, CD's for the nephews, etc... Those are the inexpensive, thoughtful things, but everyone always gets giftcards to their favorite stores except the nephews. They get cash because they are usually saving their money for a special something.

Now I don't have to return the earrings that I've gotten for the 5th year in a row, when I haven't worn earrings for 20 years due to repeated infections in the holes.

by tig2

I got him a Nikon D50 a couple of years ago. Now he likes toys for it- lenses and whatever.

Brookstone and Think Geek work just as well. So does Best Buy, MicroCenter, and Circuit City.

by the scummy one

Sears, Bed Bath and Beyond, Target, Fry's, Micro Center, Lowes or Home Depot are the main ones to give.
Other than that one of the Visa cards (prepaid) is not a bad option either. For the young'uns Toys'R'Us works well too.

by oz_media

First of all, never buy a woman lingerie as a secret gift. I know its an old 'tactic' but it just doesn't fly these days.

And secondly NEVER, EVER EVER take your significant others underwear, ESPECIALLY to shwo someone in a retail store. Unless you take her 'approved' bra, she will undoubtedly be schocked, embarassed and upset. It's not like us, wher one pair of underwear is the same as the other, 'yellow in the front, brown in the back' and you are good to go, just remember to rotate ever few days.

Here's what you SHOULD have done.

Take her to a nice lunch and chat abotu lingerie and fantasies, then take HER to the lingerie store to pick out something for you, er I mean her. Don't worry, she''ll pick out something with YOUR best interests in mind.

THEN take her otu to dinner, she will be making all kinds of plans in her head as to how to go about 'showing off' her new lingerie for you. Again, casually start the fantasy chat to really warm things up, and build the anitcipation for what may come later. THEN you can take her home, have the cliche rose petals, strawberries with whipped cream, candlelight or whatever she's really into, go to the bedroom and put on your favorite B Film and wait for the commercial to get things going.

Don't let her know a friend tipped you off, just bring up the subject of fantasies and work your way into her telling you about hers.

Get into her fantasies and have fun, you could have been wearing her new, sexy bra for a hat instead, by choice though.

by bfilmfan

I think I should have pointed out I was WAY young when that happened!

WELL over 2 decades ago. I just thought it was a very funny story that taught me a lot about not understanding how women think.

by jdclyde

the more you learn about them, the more you realize just how little you know..... ;\

by oz_media

The big issue with women though is that they want what they can't rightly have.
"How come SHE has him and I don't?"

If a girl knows someone is taken, he automatically becomes more attractive to her as it is forbidden fruit.

As soon as that person is available, the interest is lost.
"There must be something wrong with him if SHE doesn't want him anymore?"

Girls flirt that way too, if you pay attention to them, they get flattered but have the upper hand and will generally walk away.

If you acknowledge but ultimately ignore them, they think "What is wrong with me that HE doesn't want me?" and then the flirting becomes more blatant.

by dumphrey

are a wedding ring and a clerical collar...
For all the reasons Oz and tigg posted.
My finces fater is by no means an "overly attractive" man, but he beats women off with a stick every where he goes. May explain while he still wears his coller even though he no longer is posted at a church....

by jdclyde

seems to be a long dead idea. There used to be a time when people were grateful that you would try to do something for them.

I think this reflects poorly upon the people wishing the card. Just give them the cash, and take the last step to prostitution.

If they don't appreciate it, find something else that they will.

If you really want to get them some clothes/jewelry, take them to a big city and make a day of it.

by dumphrey

as I tend to assume everyone around me is speaking literally. And if i'm absorbed in something, hit me on the head to get my attention, don't be subtle.

by nicknielsen

[i]If you really want to get them some clothes/jewelry, take them to a big city and make a day of it.[/i]

"He'll spend [u]time[/u] on me? Where is this guy and how do I meet him?"

edit: formatting

by bfilmfan

Now that I am deep into my fall years as a man and staring winter dead on, I do understand you quite well.

When I was 20-something, I didn't; Thus, my funny story! :)

I will have some more commentary on other thoughts in the discussion thread later that will touch on some of the comments which you have made.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

Routine will eventually set in, and those with no imagination add fatality to routine.

by ontheropes

She uses it several times a week. I went shopping with her and found what features she was looking for but 'couldn't afford' then I went back and bought one that had everything. It's been holding up for years now so I made a good choice.

by ontheropes

She's really into crafts and is always selling something thru her three online stores or on eBay. She sells enough stuff to enable us to pay for a Florida vacation for us this coming Christmas. :0

Back when we had more heated space it was wood crafting. I bought her a belt sander and a scroll saw and had them delivered to me at work. I remember getting ragged on about it as people acted like I'd bought them for myself. I've barely ever used them.

Crafts are NOT my thing. I've tried to get into it, knitting and crocheting, but I just can't and don't want to do it though I sometimes make iron-on logos for online stores using the GIMP.
Everyone needs a logo on a tote bag. Buy logos! :^0

by ontheropes

In my office I used to have a small picture of diamond miners working in a huge open pit for those days when I thought that I had a sh*t job. :) It helped.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

I saw a documentary on PBS about the jewel grade diamond trade. I really was horrified at the inhumanity practised against other humans.

The film maker also spent quite a bit of time documenting the propaganda machine engaged to convince women that 'diamonds are a girls best friend.' That was pretty horrifying in its own right.

Then, there's the DeBeers family, which controls the world jewel grade trade. Unbelievable.

Put me off my 'birthstone' fast.

edit: I have a couple of nice, big, fakes that I wear sometimes. Someone always asks if they're real. I say no, and then I go into my diatribe. :D Spreading the word.

by bfilmfan

Are they paste? Or are they laboratory created diamonds?

I encourage everyone to buy the really good lab created ones, if the person likes to have a honkin' big stone to show off that doesn't have the stink of human pain and misery that are blood diamonds on it.

While some find it creepy, some of us have or are considering have ourselves turned into jewles upon death with the LifeGem process.

Might be kinda kewl to have some many-great relative, who is touring the first human settlement areound another star say, "Look there Unkey Jerr! Aliens!"

http://www.lifegem.com/

by jdclyde

time is the best gift I have.....

I still believe it is suppose to be the thought, not the loot. Kind of old fashioned that way.

I hold doors too, and even open/close car doors. :D

I suppose she REALLY didn't like the first part of my evaluation on the gift card, huh? ;\

by jdclyde

:D

It depends on how casual the gift is. I would [b]NEVER[/b] give a girlfriend/wife a gift card. :0

As for the book store, that has always been the reward my boys get for doing well at something, a day at Barns & Nobles. B-)

by boxfiddler Hot topic

There you have (part of) it. I'd change 'time on me' to 'time with me'.

It is possible to spend time on me without spending time with me. With is what counts, in my book. That's a real big with, too.

by ontheropes

I've gotten gift cards from my wife before and was glad to get them. I needed shoes so I combined two gift cards and bought myself a decent pair.

I'm told that I'm hard to shop for. ?:| I don't get it. Coffee beans and pistachios and I'm a happy camper.

One of the best gifts ever? A bathrobe that my wife made from scratch. I'd always rip out store-bought bathrobes because of my shoulders being too wide. Love that bathrobe even though it's getting pretty worn out.

My wife and I don't gift each other on special occasions anymore. Mutual agreement. We go out to dinner but that's about it. Last Christmas we spent our money on stuff we both wanted. That works well for us. We got two new 22" HannsG monitors last year. His and hers. :)

by jdclyde

I hate that people think if you don't spend a fortune, you don't care.

"Can't by me looooo oove!" :D

I keep it reasonable, and if I don't have the money, I cut back, not charge it. I charge NOTHING for Christmas.

Something hand made is real cool. It showed you were worth the effort, ya know?

One of the coolest gifts I have gotten in a long time was a pair of drinking socks. B-) Well, that and a bottle of scotch. ;\

by cupcake

You know though... it works both ways. Just when I think I
have a guy figured out, he goes and confuses the issue by
doing something completed unexpected.

Go figure...

by boxfiddler Hot topic

Nice ones, too. Guess I put that badly! :0

That Life Gem thing is kind of odd/weird/funny. Gods. I'm dead. Leave me alone already! :D

by jdclyde

:p
you big sissy.... ;\

While the visualization was defiantly not sugar coated, I hope she understood where I was coming from? You would never dream of giving CASH to a mate for Christmas/Birthday/Anniversary, would you? What makes a gift card any different besides nothing? B-)

They are worth better than that, was the point I was trying to make.

[i]edit: dang emoticon....

by oz_media

"I hate your guts! You are fat and stupid! I think you should shrivel up and......OOOOOH SHINY!!! Love you honey bunch!"

Shiny trinkets, we stole North America from the indians with them (I suppose the women wore the loin cloths in those tribes), we steal women with them and we get away with near murder with them.

Pretty, shiny, things anyone? :D

And they say men are simple.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

Pretty shiny things ain't what I'm after. Now, how you gonna go about un-p*ssing me off? :D

by oz_media

I don't unpiss people off, you know better than that it would be counter productive to my rap here.

pretty shiny things aint what you're after, I agree you probably want mroe out of life than that. I am also pretty sure that pretty shiny things will make you smile and rethink your stand though.

Some women are so hard up for gifts that they get off on flowers. FLOWERS! Pretty weeds in a plethora of colours. The pretty ones with the thorny stems are even the most favoured, go figure.

by oz_media

When they freeze and just don't work fast enough anymore, bang them with a hammer to get them back to life.

And i thought i knew you

by dumphrey

that the majority of stones in Mall jewelry stores are all manufactured stones and not mined.

by dumphrey

summed up in the statement,
"Fit the gift to the person" be they a geek or a Jet-Set. Its not about money or glitter, its about sentiment, and showing you know them, be that with a weird toy, new gadget, gift card, or just cash.

by dumphrey

I like that lifegem thing B. Thanks for the notice =) I would love to be a diamond that some descendant wore, set in a ring engraved with "Kiss my @s3 whippersnappers!" Gods, curmudgeon in perpetual. I think I need a little nap.

by dumphrey

1) What brand of Scothc,
and 2) WTF are drinking socks?!?!

I feel like I am missing out on something.

by jdclyde

the resale value just isn't there, so trade-ins and upgrades are just not of a value.

You just have to be ready to go for that nice new model when the price is right... ]:)

by boxfiddler Hot topic

If you can't figure out what you've already got, an upgrade ain't gonna be any help at all. ;)

by jdclyde

the new models are much faster, and look at those lines.... :p

True, the cost of maintenance on the newer models is much higher, but you get what you pay for, right? :D

by jdclyde

http://www.tinneys-irish-shop.com/shop/show/show_pr/en/Irish-Clothing/Boxer-Shorts-and-Socks/Guinness-Socks_-The-Guinness-Logo/~kid119/~tplprodukt_1/~prid1156.htm

These are not the exact pair, but pretty close. And yes, the pair I have say "Authentic Irish drinking socks" and the guinness logo. B-)

As for scotch, Johny walker.(black, I think) While I would not have bought it for myself, it showed they at least paid enough attention to see my collection of various brands on my cupboard. I think it was a combination of not knowing brands and not wanting to get one I already had, knowing I like to try different brands.

by tig2

Dalwhinney 15
Glenmorangie 20

Speyside single malts over the age of 12, generally.

Islay malts if you're man enough...

by jdclyde

I am just to logic oriented to see the value of handing money back and forth. You give me a gift card for $20 and I give you a gift card for $20, and the only thing that has changes is we spent gas money and time to get the card, and now we have to take our same $20 minus two trips to the stores gas, to buy something.

For someone other than kids, I have a real hard time going that route.

For christmas I bought my parents a Garmin. Sure, it was expensive, but I just told them it was both of their birthday presents combined. B-) (and it was) They ride their bikes and it was a huge help for their trip around Lake Superior this year. Yes, pedal bikes, and took them a month and a half, sleeping in a tent.

by dumphrey

is McClellands and Talisker. I realllly like the Talisker.

I will give the Glenmorangie a try and then grab an Isley. Are they more petey?

by tig2

Definitely more peaty with a fuller flavor (my opinion). A Speyside is a lighter, less acidic flavor.

by jamesrl

I'm really not a fan of Laphroaig, Bowmore and Ardbeg are nice.

I started my Scotch journey with Speysides: Glenfiddich (great beginners single malt), Glenlivet, Macallan, Aberlour, Cardhu etc. They are more "balanced" and accessable, then once you have a taste for it you can move to Islays.

James

James

by older mycroft

Buy a monster gaming rig and enjoy yer life.

I've never bought a woman anything more expensive than a gallon or two of petrol! :^0

by cmiller5400

A pillow for my Mother's Birthday (I still have not lived that one down.)

This one i did not give but I thought it was unique... A Fire Extinguisher for my Aunt. (In their defense, she did have a house fire a few months prior... Some nincompoop wired their phone line wrong and it sent a large voltage to her house and burned the NID inside, setting the wall ablaze.)

by boxfiddler Hot topic

are so hard up for time and affection that they accept pretty shiny things all the while attaching hope that the pretty shiny thing means something more than "Ok, here's a pretty shiny thing, now leave me alone and go do your chores."

F*ck that.

by oz_media

One of my favorite distillers! They have had some great bottles out in the last few years. Unfortunately th sherrywood finish is becoming more and more scarce as they create new finishes. I was rather partial to it and was just getting used to the Portwood finish but that's being ousted too.

The best one I've had from them though has got to be the Malaga Cask, wow what a sweet drink!

I like my Scotch. :)

by oz_media

If you haven't tried JW Blue, you haven't tried JW. Personally I find the red and black to be boat gas, especially compared to their Blue. Costs a bit of dosh but its a good one. Mind you, for that money, there are FAR better bottles out there, but JW does make ONE decent bottle anyway.

Those JW's always knocking the door on Sunday morning.

by oz_media

by boxfiddler Hot topic

I'd give it away were it not for the fact that his mother gave it to me and it would stir up more sh*t than I've stirred in 50some years.

Now, whose @ss can I stick my chores up? ]:)
(Not implying yours.)

by bfilmfan

I have often moved about following the job market, rather like the old sailing ships following the trade winds.

(Hey pipe down there in the back that I just look like an old whaler!)

With moving about a great deal, I've found it difficult to keep up relationships with my family and friends, much less a companion.

I was doing some research for a new Geekend article and ran across this little sermon on why you shouldn't always trust the other person in a long distance relationship:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLp4kFp5_is

by boxfiddler Hot topic

and then there are friends. That long distance factor often helps to distinguish which is which.

etu

by bfilmfan

There are a lot of people that can't seem to be able to tell the difference between a companion and a friend.

by jdclyde

While it is perfectly logical to guys, the majority of women I have talked to do NOT want a practical gift.

by bfilmfan

I like the old school sense of fun that was in a lot of the old school rap song videos. They weren't afraid to poke fun at themselves.

It's the sound of total disgust in his voice when he says, "Don't give me that, don't even give me that, you're busted" when he suspects the woman of cheating.

I've found that laughing about some of the really BAD relationships we've had is a good way to recover and learn something from them.

by ontheropes

I've been married four times. I can laugh about all of my break-ups. At the time they were the worst possible thing. Some people never get over a break-up. I can understand that too. I thought I'd never get over 'things' but I have. Enough so that I don't think I'm carrying too much excess baggage now. Sometimes a memory will rear it's ugly head and have an effect on me. Not often. Not right at the moment anyway.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

I would think a good companion is also a good friend, though that may or may not be true in reverse.
I'd add that my life companion had better be my friend, or life is going to be hell. ;)