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by dorierez

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My internet connection is fine using other browers and applications, my XP PRO with SP 3 are legal but can't get IE7 to work (I gave up on IE8). I read a lot of old emails & wonder if anybody came up with new ideas. In LAN settings I tried to remove or check "Automatically detect settings", "Use a proxy...", with and without Addons. It works one time and then again it does not. I can open enough of the "welcome" page and go to Tools, but it does not load any sites.
Frustrated...

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by deadly ernest

engine and works by being a screen door over IE, but installing it will have it adjust the registry settings and may fix the problem. It won't interfere with anything else.

by forum surfer

Firefox with ietab (for pesky ie only sites) works great for me.

On a side note, I received a link from a government website a little while back that would not work with anything except Firefox. I find Firefox only websites just as infuriating as IE only websites.

by the scummy one

try it and see. Since it worked the first time and then stopped working, it appears that something is blocking the websites. Do you have a firewall? Could it be blocking? have you tried disabling it?

Could you have picked up a virus? What antivirus are you running? What other SW is being used -- there may be a conflict.

Have you tried uninstalling/re-installing your NIC?

by deepsand

You've a connection that cannot be used reliably.

What remains to be seen is [b]how & why[/b].

by deepsand

Connectivity goes to the entire communications path, in both directions.

Since you are unable to consistently both effect a server request and receive it's response, there is obviously a problem with such communications.

by shasca

Some maintenance tips. Tools/internet options
there are two choices restore advanced settings, and reset which resets anything changed since the original setup. You can also turn off addons under internet options/mange addons. Sometimes it's the browser addons that cause IE to not surf properly. Empty temp files internet options/general browsing history/delete. When you click on this button a menu of items to remove pops up. It also wouldn't hurt to doa spywar scn to see if something has hijacked you MS browser.

http://malwarebytes.org/

http://download.cnet.com/Trend-Micro-HijackThis/3000-8022_4-10379544.html

http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html

by dorierez

Good tips but I tried them all, cleaning very often everything I could including the registry. Maybe that is how Zone Alarm asked for permission again, and this time it worked, again...

by dorierez

All good tips but it was not any of them. Windows troubleshooting can be very frustrating. I wish I could afford an Apple...

by dorierez

I use Zone Alarm, AVG, Skybot, CCleaner, Eusing and I did try while disabling and cleaning the registry. No help. What is SW? I did not try to play the Network card since the connection with everything else works. I did uninstall IE8, IE7 and back to Basic IE7. No luck, until just now! Out of the blue Zone Alarm asked for permission to allow IE when I opened it and, voila! It did ask me before and I even checked in their program. I had already allowed it. Go figure...
But a great thank you for your interest!

by dorierez

Thank you for your interest. You may have read another response of mine where suddenly Zone Alarm asked for permission, which was previously granted, and it started to work. Make no mistake, I had checked and given permission. I don't get it. Now I'm afraid to install Avant 'cause "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" syndrome, and I never heard of it before. Who knows how many times IE will open... Firefox is my main browser and the new version works even better.

by deadly ernest

a ticking bomb isn't broken until AFTER it goes off - and then it's arguable if it's broken or not. But it's too late to fix anyway.

That's why some things that aren't broken yet should be fixed before they are.

by deadly ernest

Firefox several years ago. Back in the late 1990s I started using Avant Browser (www.avantbrowser.com) because it offered some security aspects that closed off known holes in IE and also offered Tabbed windows which IE did not offer at that time. It's a simple overlay on the IE engine. I used it for a few years and switched to Firefox after learning one of the IE vulnerabilities was so bad that the Avant Browser people couldn't lock it down. Some months later MS finally issued a patch for that problem in IE, but by then I'd switched to FF.

by dorierez

I never heard of it until you mentioned it. My problem is that I need IE for the full version of Outlook connected to my work. Now you are saying I don't need Avant? Right?

by dorierez

I'm no IT consultant but I do know know that there can be many other reasons for One browser to not work when all others do work.
Thanks for trying.

by deepsand

Given that your problem seems to be isolated to IE, running IE's own diagnostics is the place to start.

by dorierez

and nothing happened that day but it worked the next but not after that... It seems to work every other day...

by dorierez

I'm a serviceman so I do a lot of preventive work. In this case I was too ignorant to try but guess what, I installed Avant after I read a bunch of reviews. I didn't try it much 'cause I like my Firefox. Yesterday Avant & IE worked, today they don't. Firefox is OK, just installed the new version.

by deadly ernest

the IE engine, if you have a major problem with IE itself Avant won't work either.It's like a screen door or a skim on a media player, it just changes the way it displays on the GUI and adds a bit more in the way of user features, or it did when I used it.

At the time I was using it there were a few IE vulnerabilities that could be exploited simply by visiting the web page in IE, because the page opened in Avant and it then fed info back to IE it caught the bad code and dumped it. It used Tabs when IE didn't by opening new instances of IE without the display and showing the display as tabs in the current Avant display. It made no changes to IE itself and you could even open IE up at the same time if you wanted to.

It also had a few themes so you could change the look to something you liked better too.

You don't NEED it but it helps in many cases.

I have found that installing and removing Avant will also reset some of the IE register settings.

by deadly ernest

check all the settings there. look to see if IE is trying to use an unusual proxy or port. Check the time out settings and such too.

Another point is to check the settings for IE in your Firewall software, as it may be blocking it for some reason.

by dorierez

1st, thank you so much for your help! I gave maximum access to IE in Zone Alarm and played a bit with the Options settings. I even had an IT techie come a couple times to fix the damn thing. It works and the next day, without changing anything, it stops. This thing seems so complicated, I'm starting to think that it may not even be possible to fix without going deep into the computer. I'm contemplating reinstalling Windows...

by deadly ernest

trying a version or two of Linux instead?

Back to Windows -- you could try doing a Restore to a date when you know it was working well, as that will save you a lot of time reloading software. If it works, good. If it doesn't you're no worse off.

by dorierez

First, I would like to commend you for taking so much time to help me!
I'm better at computers that many of my friends but getting a bit slow at learning new tricks(age). I'm still under the notion that Linux (when it first came out) is not so user friendly + I need IE to connect to my work related applications. IE worked this morning but not tonight! Driving me crazy...

by deadly ernest

I always set IE (when I used it) to clear cache and cookies at the end of the session - that's a couple of tick boxes in the last tab of the Internet Options.

Linux like PCLinux, Linspire, MephisLinux, Kubuntu are all very user friendly. And I'm surprised your business apps are accessible only vie IE and not FF as that means they've been badly designed to be IE only.

by dorierez

Thanks again. Today IE works! I need it mostly for the full version of Outlook & its calendar + I do DDC with the newest version of Johnson Controls and they have not changed the Java version needed in many years. My work computer is controlled by out IT 3,000 miles away & being a big corporation, they control all computer applications tightly.
Are MephisLinux and Kubuntu supposed to be used off a CD? Can you download and install on a CD? I tried & it didn't work...

by nicknielsen

His work email is Outlook Web Access, which requires ActiveX for full functionality. You can access your mail with other browsers, but only through the "Light" version of OWA. OWA Light allows you to send and receive emails, attach files, and manage contacts and folders. You don't have the capability to create/delete/modify email groups, which is the only feature I miss; I'll open my mail in IE just to work with groups. You also don't get the eye candy features that really don't belong in emails anyway and clog up the mail server with unnecessary bits: html editing, fancy signatures, embedded graphics, emoticons, etc., etc., etc. Given the tone of his posts, I suspect these are what he's missing most.

The question I have (I don't remember seeing it asked): When IE won't connect to OWA, can it connect to other sites? The problem might be with his corporate mail server and not with IE on his machine.

by deadly ernest

the uber rich should be using a Boeing BBJ3 and go in real comfort and class. It also has a much longer range.

by santeewelding

Can't handle anything larger. Until I get around to buying the facilities and upgrading them, the Gulfstream will have to do.

I reserve that other thingy, or a two-seat Raptor, for myself.

by santeewelding

Somebody close to me will be trading in his Cessna 150 for the latest version of a Scorpion. He has 3000+ combat hours in a slick. Licensed balloon pilot, too.

by deadly ernest

well as downloaded and burnt to a CD - both Kubuntu and MepisLinux work that way. I often use a Live CD of Kubuntu to troubleshoot a system that isn't booting properly in Windows.

by deepsand

Some of the places he ends up in when using his Wayback Machine have no viable local transportation systems.

by cg it

the only time you configure a proxy in the browser is if the network has a proxy for internet access [such as ISA Server] and there is no client application that provides the proxy information. .

If this is your laptop or desktop, and you have a router between your internet connection and your computer, is to use autodetect in the NIC card properties. Not IE properties. Autodetect in the NIC card properties will get an address from the routers DHCP server [turned on by default] the default gateway address [the routers address] and DNS servers [which are the ISP DNS servers]. for IE browser settings, you uncheck all boxes in the LAN configuration page.

you can manually configure your network settings on your NIC if you have this information. Then for your browser, again, you uncheck all the boxes in the LAN properties page.

by deadly ernest

I prefer to use a proper mail client that has security. But I can see how he can be concerned about the work one.

Thanks for the info on OWA - it sure does sound like a person with an accent making a painful exclamation.

by dorierez

Thank you for understanding the dilemma with OWA. That is why I need IE,and IE does not work all the time.
BUT I think I found the problem. I have to switch ON the router at the same time as I boot the computer. Why is the problem only with IE?

by nicknielsen

I function perfectly well with OWA Light in FF. As I said, the only essential feature of OWA that is not available in OWA Light is groups. Are you creating, deleting and modifying groups on a daily basis?

None of the other missing features are essential to communication, they are just "nice-to-have" eye candy that, for me, hinder communication: html, emoticons, in-line images, etc.

by deadly ernest

Regarding the actual problem, the information does make it sound like the issue is with the system thinking there's a proxy being set up. If your system settings are set up to for dhcp and it doesn't find the dhcp server, then it defaults to some MS provided settings, and I suspect this is what's happening with the situation described. Why it doesn't affect FF I'm not sure as it should affect both. It's because of these odd MS default settings that I prefer to use static IP addresses for my home network.

by dorierez

I have wired my router, sound and monitor through a switch. If I don't start the router before Windows boots, I ran into this problem.ONLY with IE, not with FF.
I suppose that not many people wired their computer and modem/router on separate circuits.
Thanks for those good hearted members for trying to help! Interesting to see if anybody can figure this one out...
;-)

by deadly ernest

being on site and looking at the set up. I don't feel so bad now.

BTW we were only to glad to try and help. We're always trying, some more than others.

by dorierez

Strange. Somebody that helps so much felt bad? No logic here. Like you said, without being there (not a bad place to visit BTW), you can't solve everything and nobody could expect that! Yes, you are deadly earnest about trying. Thanks again! Merci beaucoup.

by deepsand

Any device that is not "plug-and-play," and is not detected at power-up, [i]can[/i] be problematic.

That's why there are power control devices that internally apply power to the ouput sockets sequentially, with the one intended for the CPU being the last to go live.

In this case, running the suggested IE Diagnostics should have disclosed the problem; and, running Windows "Repair" function for the LAN connection should have fixed it.

by dorierez

I thought all USB devices are P&P and I tried all the diagnostics I could find. But I think you may have missed something here. FireFox always works well. Therefore my swearing at MS is still valid, no?

by deepsand

Did MS assemble all of those devices?

Did MS provide all of the drivers for all devices?

Other than FF, are all applications developed and installed by MS?

If not, then you're a long way from being able to hold MS responsible.

by rob miners

Firefox 3 supports a different detection method to detect whether or not there's an active Internet connection.

Yes, you could call me a M$ supporter along with the millions of others out there.

I don't normally turn off my Modem/Router either, especially if it is allocating DHCP leases.

by dorierez

Thanks for the suggestion. I finally managed to install Kubuntu 8.10 on the HD, because I could not get it onto a CD, & now I'm in trouble! For an old Windows guy like me, it seems like a lot of learning, and my wife already complained that I spend too much time with what she calls my "first wife". The latter can't divorce me but I may not be able to remain so "faithful" to "her"... :-)

by deepsand

Furthermore, hot-swapping requires a stability of the sort that does not exist during the boot process.

Hence the admonition to always make the CPU the last component to be powered up.

As I immediately stated, yours was a connectivity problem. That FF worked does nothing to diminish that fact, a fact which is now evidenced by your own findings.

Did you run the diagnostics that I prescribed?

Did you try the LAN "Repair" function?

If not, you might have saved yourself some time by doing as suggested.

Are you justified in blaming MS? Unless and until you can pinpoint the specific hardware signal instability that was at the root of the problem, the answer is no.

by rob miners

I had one that I had to shutdown and restart every friday morning to clear the cache. It was on its last legs and was eventually replaced.

by dorierez

You sound like you are on MS payroll. There are a lot more MS hater than followers. We are stuck with a monopoly of a company that plans inferior software to make more and more and more $$$$. And it looks like some people are happy to be ripped off...
Thank god the monopoly is shrinking though!

by deadly ernest

supported by MS products and recognises that most of his clients are users of MS products because they don't know better.

I detest MS and the way they operate, yet the majority of my paid IT work is from fixing problems on systems with MS software. I recognise that, and I think Jacky is in a similar position. And that means you also have to consider how the issues in threads like this will be viewed by the clients. Some do, some don't.

by rob miners

You asked a question and found out eventually that it was caused by you turning off your modem.
I can't see what that has to do with M$. I chose to learn and support M$ products because they are very popular where I live.
In my twenty years in the industry I have never been asked to look at another Operating System other than a MAC. That wouldn't put much food on the table would it. On the other hand if other Operating Systems were as popular as M$ is in my area I would have supported them as well. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I'm on the M$ payroll. You certainly have an imagination.

by seanferd

I've never known Jacky to be an "MS shill". And how pointing out that FF uses a different detection method than IE leads to your conclusion, I don't know.

MS has pissed me off regularly for years, with various "features" of their products. However, they are still viable products, if overpriced IMO. My advice for you would be to use another OS in addition to Windows. Mac, Linux distros, and BSD distros would be the obvious choices. Use them when you don't need to use Windows.

Maybe MS is using a stupid connection detection method here (or not), but it is not any kind of rip off. I'm no MS apologist, but I do think you are a bit off base here. You may not like it, and I might not, if I ran into this problem. But making assumptions about, and attacking forum members based on those assumptions is hardly productive.

Reasonable critiques of operating systems are always welcome. For OS religious wars, you might enjoy the ZDNet forums. You are already a member, as a member of TR.

Take it easy, and cheers.

by dorierez

Many of you totally miss the point even though you all get frustrated with MS. Some of you back up MS because, thanks to their much less than perfect products, it gives you a living. That does not make the product a good one.
You all recognize the FF got a better system of connection detection. That IS my point! Why can't giant MS pick up the best methods of making a really good product. THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY! But they choose to not to! And I got it from someone that worked in Redmont! Hence the ripoff. Bill was a genius when he started out with software, then he became a genius in marketing. Look at Vista: it sucks & most users hate it. These are my points. The trouble is that MS got some good products and because of their initial innovations, we are all stuck with their products. Can anyone deny this?
I'm not attacking anybody being rational and I constantly praise members giving their time helping. I don't appreciate people trying to force their "help" when it's not relevant.
Thanks for all who genuinely help. Last words, look at all the thoughts that went into an issue that could have been prevented in the 1st place...

by deepsand

You were argumentative from the very beginning, rejecting anything that did not fit your preconceived notion as to the problem at hand. In doing so, you wasted both your time and that of those who were trying in good faith to assist you.

Even now, with the cause being identified, you persist in your inane MS bashing to the point of accusing those who do not share your zealotry of being MS sycophants.

This is not the behavior of a rational being.

by santeewelding

Couldn't resist.

Besides, you used the word. My ears are tuned to it.

Different fundamental frequency, though.

by nicknielsen

[i]look at all the thoughts that went into an issue that could have been prevented in the 1st place..[/i]

simply by you leaving an O-N/O-F-F switch in the O-N position.

by seanferd

I haven't seen that anyone was going out of their way to defend MS. No one here was being an ideological MS supporter.

by deepsand

Technical Questions belong in the "Questions" forum; this is the "Discussions" one.

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