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OK so you can all shoot me now. I have been around from before the days they called them microcomputers. We can thank Gates for making the industy aware that desktop style computers would end up everywhere and not just research centres as they thought then. This resulted in software prices dropping dramatically. He has predatory business practices that he seems to have learnt from Thomas Edison. He and MS are the best marketing operation in the industry - bar none.

What you percieve as the best Operating System should be decided by what it does for your business operations requirements - sadly it is often decided on what the person is used to.

Most of the OSs in use utilise different paradiems and thus do things differently - this causes people to think that they are bad or hard to use as they are different to what they know.

Kernel size Linux uses a small kernel and puts everything else outside it to provide better security. Windows has a big as they have put most things in at to make access by them easier. Analogy Linux has a safe deposit vault with one entrance and you need to pprove to the security team there that you have a right to enter. All other banking activities are done in rooms outside the vault. The Windows vault is much bigger with several entrances and most of the work is done in the vault - once inside you can wander about to any of the other security boxes and open them.

Patches - all software needs patches to fix and adjust minor problems. Linux do this by fixing the specific problem within the kernel code or where the actual action code is improperly utilised. Windows does this by trying to glue a piece of cardboard over the hole that used to enter, not by fixing the underlying fault - treating the symptom not the disease. Windows has issued fixes for the exact same problem in OS after OS after OS.

Compatibility - new LInux issues are compatible with earlier drivers and hardware. Windows drivers are valid ONLY for that specific OS and much software is not compatible between OSs. This is because Windows wants to enforce system upgrades to get more money while Linux is aimed at longer usable life spans. Differences in approach is all.

Both OSs can, and have, had problems re installation and that will always be the case. I use both at home and work, I have also used Solaris and Unix. I have never used a Mac but have recommend to some clients to buy Macs for specific application use as the Mac was the better choice for that task. Want a cheap run about buy one, want a good car buy one. Want a runabout OS buy Windows, want a good OS use Linux/Unix etc. But please make sure it will fulfil your needs first.
Dont but a Cadillac when you really needed a Range Rover.

When you analyse everything that has been said these are the core issues of the differences. Much arguement on side issues (about 80% of the threads).

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by starderup

I have to agree with just about everything you said, especially the security.
Anytime anybody can say with a straight face that Microsoft is a secure operating system, I have to admire them. I couldn't do it.
Macs are allright, but still a UNIX hack.
In order of stability/reliability, I rate them this way.
UNIX/Linux
Mac
Bottom feeder - MS
This coming from a guy whose first job was taking support calls routed through Redmond, WA.

by nz_justice

It seems only half done. You seem to only provide key points where Linux is better (but then again a lot of Linux people think that they are the only points). I won't bother promoting windows, to many people just bitch about it, but you have the opportunity to find the good in the bad and present it in your summarised key points. It would of been nice to see some objectiveness, rather than biased towards Linux.

by deadly ernest

tick the box to monitor this thread. I tried to cover the significant differences whilst also advising that it is really up to the person to settle on their own choice. Apart from the marketting which I stated up front I can not think of anything where Windows is currently ahead of Linux or any other OS.

For a while there Windows was ahead in regards to the desktop GUI but they are now equal. Windows has taken to using a file management system similar to that used by the Unix / Linux camp for many years, they have started to incoroprate similar levels of user security as well.

There are many things that people think Windows introduced to the world that were actual first put out but Apple or many others - they just did not get the marketing push that MS has given them.

If you have some specific examples in mind of where you think Windows is better than Linux or Mac or Unix please state them - it is possible that they have skipped my mind.

Mind you I am a an odd fish in this debate as I prefer Linux and use it where I can but am still posting from a Windows box as there are a couple of favourite applications I have not yet been able to get to work on a Linux install on a Intel 64 Bit syste. They don't work properly on a XP 64 bit install either but they do work some what. I have a few new 64 bit Linux distributions to load and try now and will test them over the coming weeks.

BTW I have noticed some typographical and grammatical errors since I posted the original, and 'yes' I am too lazy to go back an correct them now.

by ontheropes

I?m curious about your statement, ?have not yet been able to get to work on a Linux install on a Intel 64 Bit system?. I take that to mean that you?ve had a shot at installing Linux on an Intel x64 but were unsuccessfull and not that you haven?t had access to an Intel x64. Correct?

If that is the case then I am bumming because my daily use PC is x64 and I want to install Linux on that. I?ve been lurking in a lot of the Linux discussions, checking out links posted there and reading and researching. I thought that Mandriva would install but I don?t have a copy to attempt it yet. If you could please tell me what the problems are that you?ve faced with an x64 Linux installation I can dig deeper to see if I can find possible solutions and save time, effort and money.

by nz_justice

I have become desensitised to the whole OS wars thing. Lost my passion for promoting windows above Linux and I have never disliked Linux.

At this point in time I can not tell of any differences between the two OS?s. One is free (sort of) the other is not free (sort of).

M$ Windows is the reason I have a PC. They made it easy first. Now that I am looking at getting more control and low OS costs, I am looking at Linux Distro?s but none really appeal and I am too lazy to do Linux from scratch.

Although, apotheon seems to have created a good distoro, I wish he would provide a link to it.

I can provide you with some examples if you really want them but they would be just what I think is good about alt OS's. And some smart ass will point out that Linux can do that, but that would not of been the point of the example. The point would of been, that despite all the failings of all the other OS's it doesn't make Linux better just different.

Just Like there is stuff to hate about windows, there is stuff to hate about Linux, MAC etc..

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by deadly ernest

with installing Linux. I have successfully installed the following on to an Intel 32 bit PC and then not been able to get them to work when installed on an Intel 64 bit PC. In each case I used the DVD that came with the Linux Format magazine or a commercial CD from that maker of Linux. Fedora Core 4, Ubuntu 5.10, Free Mandriva 2006, Mandrake 10 (did not really expect this one to work on the 64 bit), Debian 3.1, and a version of FreeBSD (can't remember which).

Since then I have done some more research and have found out that most have 32 bit versions and 64 bit versions and do NOT supply both on the same DVD. I have recently obtained the 64 bit versions of Fedora Core 5, and successfully installed that and it works well; and Unbuntu 5.10, which I will be trying out soon.

I have found Free Mandriva 2006, Fedora Core 4 & 5, and Ubuntu 5.10 to be very easy to install and use and OK for technically challenged end users to use. My only complaints about them are that because they are aimed at the end user desktop market the completed install requires extra packages or applications to do some of the administrator functions that I would like - such as post install manipulation of partitions.

One word of warning - don't both wasting your money on the Windows XP 64 bit edition, they are not developing that as fully as the patches for the 32 bit ediction and drivers for it a scarcer than hens teeth. Had to harrass MS for months to get a 64 bit driver for my 5 button MS intelli mouse.

If you have not yet bought a 64 bit system and want to, you should buy an AMD 64 bit system as there are way more 64 bit drivers available for that than the Intel - and the 64 bit AMD Linux drivers are the largest group of 64 bit drivers. Mind you I bought Intel as I have had only bad experiences with AMD, but I know others have had the reverse (maybe the AMD chips don't like me as they got the word how hard I work my PCs).

by ontheropes

I?ve been reading a lot about Linux and I have never seen anywhere, that I recall, that there?s a 64 bit version! That may have been in the material but I didn?t see it.

I?m going to read up on Fedora Core 5 and find the best place to get it here in the States because I already have an Intel x64. If you got that installed I?m going to give it a shot.

I totally agree with you about Windows x64. MS offered a 6 months trial version for the cost of shipping and I?m glad I didn?t spend any more on it. I got it installed okay but never activated it before I wiped my drive clean after a week of checking it out. The speed/security reviews I?ve read at TR and elsewhere don?t show any advantage over the x32 version.

I appreciate this answer but I do have one more question. What was the installed size after you had Fedora Core 5 working?

I?m planning to install Linux to a new SATA drive as the only OS and I don?t want to spend more than I have to or short myself either. I?ve got 1TB spread over several IDE USB external drives. I'm sure I can devote 200GB or so just for Linux files. That should be enough for my needs unless I get crazy with it. The SATA drive will only be for the OS and maybe a lot of apps. once I get the feel of it. Drives are pretty cheap right now I know but why pay for more storage space than you need? Ok. Technically that's two questions.

by deadly ernest

I boot into FC 5 - I have a 200 GB SATA drive and have two 60 GB partitions currently with Windows, a 27 GB data sharing partition FAT 32 and a 40 GB partition for the FC 5, apps and Linux only data - did not check how much it used but when I installed it, but it was happy setting a default of 5 GB (including Swap), which I boosted to 40 GB plus 1 GB for Swap.

I did not realise at first that they had a 32 bit and a 64 bit version either, but look at these links for some info. They list Fedora 1386 and Fedora x38_64, same with SuSe and Ubuntu (on its page) while Gentoo as an AMD64 version

http://www.lankum.com/store/catalog/default.php

http://www.elx.com.au/cat/software?elx=1791133c93bd3fd3d079ce9349a54436

http://www.linuxcentral.com/_v3/

http://www.thelinuxstore.ca/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=937&zenid=gse1lhddv96qtd8hpj0v8tttq7

check the drop down box on this last one.

by ontheropes

I just installed Azureus BitTorrent client and am getting Suse 64Bit from the link below.

http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version

I'm new to the whole BitTorrent thing but so far it seems to be working okay. I have Hughes.net Satellite Pro here so I can't really just get the CD/DVD .iso files because I can only download 350MB/Hr before I hit Hughes Fair Access Policy and slow my connection down.
The 2-way Hughes Pro is much better than the Home as that only allows 150/MB hour.

If this Suse downloads and burns to CD ok I'm going after Fedora Core 5 and Mandriva next.

I decided to dedicate a 100GB SATA drive that's already installed to Linux. I just made a Ghost backup of all of the partitions. After I get the distro's burnt to CD/DVD I'll just delete all partitions.

I have another 300GB drive on this PC partitioned and loaded with XP Pro that I can boot from, until I find the right Linux distro for me.

I've got a steep learning curve ahead of me but I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to getting away from Windoze problems even more.

by deadly ernest

it is the only way to tell for sure what you like. However, the typical Linux installation is under 10 GB so why not set up partitions of say 20 GB and load them all on, then you can keep them there for a while and just boot to the different ones to try them. All the current versions of Linux allow multi-boot of OSs and will find and recognise the already loaded ones without any trouble.

by deadly ernest

My current installation includes a few apps and takes up 6.8 GB of space. Looking at the install options etc I would recommend 10 to 15 GBs as the minimum you would probably want to have for it. I would suggest that you go a lot larger or have another space to set aside as the /user area and I always recommend a seperate important data store partition.

by amasa

Don't know if this will post or not, or if I can find my way back to read any replies.

I just went through the registration process and thus far haven't yet received my activation EMail.

I know nothing of Linnux (or "Linux" - which is it?) but have had Microsoft up to my chin. Are there off-the-shelf word processors, spreadsheets, etc., available?

BTW - I live in Texas but have had a yen for NSW since I first saw "Return of the Boomerang".

MY Email address is "amasa@indian-creek.net".

Thanx.

by techexec2

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I am a long-time Windows user who is now switching to Linux as my primary OS (1). Here is some info that may help you:

[b][i]"...Are there off-the-shelf word processors, spreadsheets, etc., available?..."[/i][/b]

Yes! There is a large amount of free open source software available for Linux. In particular, there is an office suite called OpenOffice that works very well with MS Office documents. I switched to it full-time two weeks ago and have not found any significant problems between it and my MS Office Word and Excel documents.

[b]Try PCLinuxOS[/b]

I suggest you download and burn the PCLinuxOS Live/Install CD (2). PCLinuxOS is the easiest way I have found to experience Linux, especially if you are new to Linux, and currently use Windows. You can boot directly from the CD ("live") without installing on your hard drive (if your PC can boot from a CD; most modern PCs can). You can also install from the same CD.

The PCLinuxOS CD contains a lot of excellent applications, including OpenOffice. It boots quickly and automatically detects your hardware. It's really impressive to watch. Also, by design, this Linux distribution is looks and operates a lot like Windows XP.

Good luck!

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(1) The LEAVING WINDOWS Project
https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=213495&messageID=2185615

(2) PCLinuxOS
http://www.pclinuxos.com

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