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Anybody remember that guy in school, the annoying one, who could do no wrong, even though it was clear to *you*, at least, that the guy was nothing more than a gigantic tool? Girls adored him and guys thought he was the coolest dude to hang with...

Seems like a lot of these guys grow up to be Stand-up comedians who leverage a one-trick act into a movie career, to me.

And there may be no bigger example than Mike Myers. I'd like to think of Jim Carrey as an example of this, as well - but Carrey has proven to at least be versatile in applying his manic and disturbed nature to multiple different and substantial roles. Mike Myers on the other hand, is always the same act, same character, with a different accent.

Some Comedians find themselves stuck in a time or generation - but their best material remains relevent in the context of that time. Some start out brilliant and just lose their funny along the way. But some are never funny, never amusing, and always annoying, yet they somehow manage to become a phenomenon for a short window of time.

It is like society suffers some sort of mass delusion. I'm sure this isn't just isolated to comedians, of course. Politicians, managers, religious leaders... but Myers seems to be a great example. I was recently watching a Dana Carvey stand-up show on TV, and it was the same deal. He APPROACHED funny, but he just kept falling short. It was painful to watch.

The worst part I think is that at their height, these guys get accolades as comic genuis. Really? Was Austin Powers *ever* Comic Genius? I don't get that.

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by charliespencer

Will Ferrell, Adam Sandler, and at least a couple of others. I can't understand the appeal of movies about apparently otherwise normal people who go out of their way to accept complete idiots (Talladega Nights; You, Me, and Dupree; Austin Powers; Dumb and Dumber; ad infinitum). At least the supporting characters in the Three Stooges shorts treated the leads like the twits they were.

by jdclyde

is Will Ferrell. His poor imitatation of Cornelius Crane ?Chevy? Chase, has never made me laugh yet. I avoid anything he is in, now.

I did laugh at Dumb and Dumber. A lot.

I also enjoyed "Escanaba in da Moonlight". Fittingly, I saved my first time watching it while at deer camp. B-)

At least in shows like Zoolander, the leads were intentional caricatures of themselves...

"in a freak gas fight accident"..... :D

by himdownstairs

Or are they comedic actors? I'll admit it, Talledega Nights is a hilarious movie. Growing up in the south, I know several people like Cal Naughton Jr. (John C. Reilly's character) and Ricky Bobby was just over the top.

To the original post, I do have to say that the cheesy guys always had girls around them.

Those chumps..

by boxfiddler Hot topic

was a pleasant surprise to me. It was well-layered, well-played, and funny in a meaningful way.

Unlike the slapstick built around sh*t for a plot that appears the norm for comedic movies of late.

Have you seen 'Night at the Museum'? Not bad, not bad.

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by jdclyde

It has also been shown that most real comedians are actually very disturbed and angry individuals in their real lives.

Now it is all about who hires the best writers and who can read the script with better timing.

by dadspad

otherwise would not get a showbiz career. Saturday Nite live gave good and bad comedians a big break.

With the possible exception of Carrie Underwood, which American Idol contestant would make in the record industry?

by mjd420nova

RIP to George Carlin. Even his act was very topical and firmly lodged in a generational niche. Adam Sandler, Will Ferrell, Mike Myers, they just failed to have any appeal to me. Most have their 15 minutes of fame and continue to try and drag it out to years and it just doesn't work anymore. I'm more interested in Carlos Mencia or Dennis Miller, at least they have new material and tackle real and recent events. Most are like the Smothers Brothers and the MOM LIKED YOU BEST routine, it doesn't work past the first 10 seconds. Dana Carvey is a vert talented impersonator and that's as far as it goes. Some comedians would be no where without good writers or talented special effects people. The best place I've seen these "actors" is in the many voice overs that are filling the screen with animated movies that attract the younger set but are filled with adult material the goes over the heads of the immature audiences that convince the parents to pay the $7.50 for the ticket to see it on the "big screen". I haven't been to see a movie since the release of the Episode One of Star Wars. No more need to pay the bucks when I can experience the event on a big screen TV with surround sound and a PAUSE button.

by Member 19291532

Dana Carvey does do some wicked good impersonations. Not as good as that dude from the 70s... can't remember his name, but good, none-the-less. His comedy routine is very stale and dry, though. David Spade is far more entertaining, and does some decent impersonations as well, IMHO.

The movie industry does leave me feeling like I must be getting old. I remember when my father used to complain about how they didn't make good movies anymore and thinking it was just that he was old and bitter. On the other hand, I do think that the dillution that the RIAA and MPAA are complaining about is partially a response to oversaturation with sub-standard product. The only movies I look forward to on a regular basis are the animated ones, lately, and even they are not always a sure thing.

Some one mentioned that comedians are well known for their personal issues. I agree with this as well, but it is all in how they harness and channel it. Some, like Dennis Miller, really have an ability to run with it and rarely if ever go too far. Others, like Dennis Leary, take the same basic routine and go so far with it that it becomes uncomfortable to watch.

But most of these examples of comedians have some genuinely fresh and amusing material. Taking it back to Mike Myers, I read one review that suggested that sophmoric humor isn't necessarily the problem, but BAD sophmoric humor is. Myers has worked well in the Shrek series, despite the premise getting stretched pretty thin. On the other hand, this latest movie seems like another 2 hours of Austin Powers with a different coat of paint. You would think someone would have seen this inevitable train-wreck before it happened and stopped it before it got to this point.

by notsochiguy

..if Hollywood isn't just playing a large game of MAD LIBS when it comes to screen plays/scripts.

I don't mind seeing the same basic premise over and over (and really, how many new ideas can there be after 10000 or so years of human history & arts), if it is well done or adds a new twist.

Conversely, I will give someone a little more respect (Adam Sandler, Jim Murray and Jim Carrey come to mind) if he has at least shown a willingness to try other things.

Mike Myers doesn't seem to fall into either of these categories of late.

I suppose this begs the question: who is the current 'king' of comedic cinema? Seth Rogan?? Steve Carrell?? Will Ferrel?

by jdclyde

is blinding them.

Everyone around Myers is sucking up to him, telling him how great he is, just to try to get in on the gravytrain.

They will make money and ride off his name.

Burt Reynolds did the same thing. He has said he regrets taking the power he had in the industry and wasting it on fast car movies. He should have stopped after Smokey and the Bandit.

"Daddy, My zippers stuck"! :D

by nicknielsen

I didn't even know he was still around.

Mencia is all right occasionally, but I think the best one around today is Jeff Dunham.

by jdclyde

he seems to be going more for shock value more and more, and less is actually funny.

The test for this, if you can't watch the same show three times, it probably isn't very good.

Who IS good is Jeff Dunham. I enjoy his show very much.

by Member 19291532

The comedians like this always seem to fall into this trap. Those that use shock and blunt, politically incorrect opinion seem to start believing their own hype and they start preaching sermons instead of delivering comedy shows. Denis Leary fell into this trap - Andrew Dice Clay really, as well.

So far, I like Mencia - but I think there is a Californian cultural element to his comedy that may not translate as well throughout the rest of the nation. I'd even say that it is a Southern Californian-centric cultural thing he has going. His humor is rooted in the culture of L.A. and San Diego.

by jdclyde

for deer camp. yeah, I liked it. for the most part.

I buy movies all year long and put them in a pile, but don't take the shrinkwrap off till we get to camp. B-)

by boxfiddler Hot topic

and there hasn't been a good ventriloquist in a long time. Love that guy.

Mencia and Rock top my list, too. Raw - raunchy on regular occasion - but they get to roots.

by jdclyde

Mencia seems to just be going more for shock value than things that are actually funny so far. I have been disappointed.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

I do keep my eyes peeled for his standup specials. Same with Rock.

Seinfeld and Allen are exceptions to a rule that standup comedians don't translate well to series comedians.

by jdclyde

The brother of a girl I was shacked up with for a while (before the ex came along), his name is/was Charlie McCarthy.... And yes, he WAS a big dummy! :D

by Member 19291532

I've got a suspicion that they just get the funding, film the movie, do some initial testing, and decide if they can maybe make a run at the box-office. If not, they just go straight to video.

This leads me to suspect that they don't really have any idea what is going to hit, so they just throw it all there.

Lately I've been seeing previews, and the movie never arrives, then suddenly, it is available on DVD. I find myself scratching my head going, "I remember the Coming Soon for this flick, but I don't remember ever seeing it at theaters, and yet here it is"...

Funny thing is that some of these movies have big name actors. The other thing is that the public memory is so short, that I think they get away with this and no one really notices or wonders what they are up to.

But in effect, I don't think much of anything gets a red-light these days.

by jdclyde

If they see something else that is clearly going to be superior to their efforts, they don't want to be compared to the better film.

If someone watches just one show and it is so-so, no big deal. BUT if you also go watch something that IS good, then the so-so looks even worse in comparison.

Just a thought.

by notsochiguy

That the writers went on strike, and the general response from the public was:

Ummmmm....so what.

I would really like to see a round table discussion on A&E or HBO with some of the studio execs delving into why the quality of movies has gone done so dramatically over the past 10 years or so (it could be nostalgia on my part, but it seems as if films were better up until the year we had Pulp Fiction, Forrest Gump and Shawshank in the same year...since then, getting worse and worse).

by notsochiguy

I know a lot of his fans were disappointed in his decision to leave the show, but honestly, I think it was the right decision. He had pretty much 'attacked' just about any racial-based societal ill possible. Going forward, he would have probably fallen into the same trap as Leary and Clay.

by jdclyde

there is just so much you can do with pretending to be a macho punk with a dirty mouth. He always was a real hit-n-miss. The time he starts going after the guy that has brought his girls out for their bday and accusing him of spanking it to his own girls.... there was nothing funny about it, and I was surprised that someone (his management) actually thought it would be a good idea to let that out on a cd.

by jdclyde

moving to Southern CA just to enjoy his show... :D

Time to check the batteries in the remote, because that channel is getting changed.

by jdclyde

as it seems many movies are written around the latest effect that is out.

CG was the best and worst thing to happen to the movies.

Well, that and generations that never learned to write well because our pathetic school systems concentrated on "literature" instead of writing. Thankfully, the focus is going back, and so in about 20 years we should be able to get good movies again. B-)

Everything I have read indicates the three biggest movies to come out in the last two weeks all suckass. not because of the acting, but because the stories are so lame. (happening/luvguru/getsmart)

by neon samurai

The Jocks where the kids that could do no wrong; girls adored, guys wanted hang out with... The oddballs where the ones that eventually moved on and left town.

(The coolest kid in school pumps my gass when I'm back in town.)

On the subject of commedy I can only say one name; George Carlin. His early stuff is as applicable now as it was then and his new stuff just keeps on going.

Larry can be a little hit or miss but the other's in the blue colar commedy tour can alway make me giggle with a few very valid points.

"I didn't know how many it would take to kick my azs but I knew how many they where going to use."

I've just hear too many "get'er'dooone" from everybody and there dog to apreciate most of Larry's material.

Dice Clay; funning at first, novelty wore off quick.

Leary; some good material but his presentation get's tiresome.

Bill Hicks; similar material to Leary but presented well.

Eddy Izzard; haven't rewatched his standup in a while but it's pretty timeless.

Robin Williams; I'm just shocked I didn't list him until now.

Eddy Murphy; still makes me laugh but there's been no new material from him outside movies.

.. I could go on and on.. really, I don't know if there was a point to this post but kudos to anyone who can devine a point out of it. ;)

.. Wait, I think I had a point.. Things like the Myers movies fall into the category of slapstick or lowbrow humour. It's being silly funny rather than whitty. There are some great commedians around still but you don't usually find them in what makes the mainstream popculture lineup.

by jdclyde

Robert Schimmel. funny funny man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpqiyggphws

Blue collar. larry is hit-n-miss. much is just grouse you out about moles and such. giterdone is usually repeated by people with the same number of teeth as their IQ.

Ron has great delivery, but doesn't add in new material fast enough. Sorry, tatter salad was NOT the funny part of his act.

Bill, how can you not like Bill? of course now that he has his show, I am sure we will find a reason.....

Jeff, heck, with a name like that, how can you NOT like him? :D

Murphy back in the 80's. OMG. "boy, you're looking mighty cute in them jeans!" :0

ICECREEEEEAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

Now THATS a FIRE! he be alright, roll him around.....

Your wife is a bigfoot, isn't she Guss?

by neon samurai

I may have missed him in my list but he's a favourite. I've the storey about driving downt he road and offering the state trooper a beer running through my head now. I'd heard a bunch of his standup long before teh comedy tour started or I clued into it (either way ;) ).

When all the other kids in highschool where collecting music tapes, most of mine tapes where standup; yeah, I was one of those sods on the bus that could recite most anything funny by verse.

I gotta get back into hearing more standup, the news and pop music just doesn't have the same whitt or value.

The list goes on and on and on and on ...

"I had a talking perat but it never said 'I'm hunger'.. so it died"

"My girlfriend took me to home depot the other day. We should have gone to apartment depot because that's what we live in but that would only be an empty warehouse with people standing around saying 'we ain't gotta fix sht.'"

by Member 19291532

Chevy Chase had elements of Slapstick. Drake Bell of "Drake and Josh" on Nick does homages to the vaudville/slapstick influences of Lucy Ball all the time. Jack Black and John Bellushi are examples of physical, slaspstick comedians. I don't think there is anything in particular physical or vaudville about Mike Myer's routines...

And lowbrow, gutter humor is one thing, so is sophmoric humor. Mike Myer's is just typically obnoxiously not funny at worst, mildly amusing and over-rated at best.

And, while I agree about jocks and rich kids and what have you, we're talking about a different kind of person here. Mike Myers is the kid who isn't rich, isn't good looking, and isn't athletically gifted, but still manages to somehow charm the typical popular kids. I mean, I knew several kids like this through high school, and Myer's attitude and personality calls them all to mind.

by neon samurai

It may not be attractive charisma but I think Myer's "athletically gifted" is being charismatic enough to make a career out of his humour.

I was more comparing his movies to the three stooges who are far from amusing if you rewatch most of there stuff. There, I may also be tainted by too many saturday afternoon reruns. I put Myers movies in that same category; it may be amuzing but don't look for gold.

by jdclyde

I always thought so.

Sure, there were some good points, but it was NOT the rave of the nation like it was pushed off to be.

Or maybe it just speaks to how poorly everything else out there is, that it WAS thought of so highly? It was in comparison to.

tooltime was stale and predictable.

Now, the first season of "The MAN Show" was GREAT! B-)

by jamesrl

I thought the Seinfeld TV show was great, except for the last episode, which I thought was a crap ending.

Never a big fan of Allen, except in the Disney stuff, where he obviously didn't control the writing.

Seinfeld on the other hand has not done anything worthwhile since TV - haven't seen the Bee movie though, maybe I missed something.

James

by jellimonsta

Was actually (IMHO) very, very good.
Although, I admittedly took my 5 year old daughter and have an affinity for computer animated movies of the same ilk.

by Member 19291532

I think you hit on several points here.

He has charisma. Of course, so does a car wreck. You can't help but be drawn to look. But you'll regret it.

The Stooges were confined by their time and therefore had to be a little witty. Today's "anything goes" approach allows Myers to push the boundries of even the worst taste, something he seems all too happy to do.

by charliespencer

I should have said, "My wife -used- to watch a ton of movies." She hasn't seen one this year because been nothing released that appeals to an educated, literate 40-ish woman with no taste for the display of genitalia or internal organs. Me, the last thing I saw was 'Ratatouille'.

As regards CG, I think it's the most over used weapon in a director's arsenal. It's used on the theory that effects trump story, and the more effects, the better. If I see more than three CG's in a 30-second promo, I'm probably not going. I work with computers for living; if I wanted to see a bunch of CG, I'd learn how to do it myself.

by dumphrey

is the "attractive" actor/actress to play the lead. hopefully the CG effects and "hot" factor of the leads will distract you from the paper thin plot and sub-retarded dialogs.

by jdclyde

what did you think about the effect in 300 to give the characters an almost comic book feel to it?

Did you think it added to it or took away?

I thought it was cool, but would hate to see much more of it....

Kind of like a voicebox with a rock band. Sweet emotions was cool, but would have HATED if Perry would have used it regularly.

by jamesrl

So if you are trying to make a movie out of a comic book, you may have to use lots of CG to replicate the style.

But I wasn't a big fan, would have preferred something more like Troy, which looked more real.

James

by Member 19291532

Evidently, the rest of the class is catching up to us, if the reviews and sales on Love Guru are any indication! :)

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