Need a good IRC channel -- java

Hey gang,

I'm taking up the fine art of Java programming, and so of course I'm running into the typical pitfalls. Some of them I'm getting around by reading the f manual, but others really need the input of an expert.

When I was learning linux administration, I got a --ton-- of advice on freenode. Their #java channel leaves a lot to be desired, as does the #java channel on efnet.

Can anyone recommend a good Java IRC channell? I'm hoping to avoid preachyness and sarcasm, and to find a group of laid back people who sincerely enjoy providing advice.