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Nobody would use a PC if Microsoft hadn't invented windows. How can it not be the greatest OS ever. sure bugs, but those bugs get fixed. sure frustration but what isn't frustrating in IT. Linux you can be learning that for life, then die and still have accomplished nothing. Mac, it's not windows, there functionality is sub standard because they don't want to be sued by MS. A lot of the web would be missing if there was no windows. Just about every application out there that is worth using is made for windows. There is no good alternative. Linux gurus are now working for microsoft. Open source has no direction every step forward is a step backward. Windows OS is the wheel, we use to drive our pc's. Only the US MOD does anything good with other technology, and no average user currently has access to that shit. sure Microsoft are a big evil bloodsucking entity but so is coca cola and I love coke (the drink). So yep Windows is the best OS ever, nothing will ever beat it.

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by hal 9000

There where a lot of computers in use in domestic environments in the DOS days and not many of them even used MS DOS.

Also If I'm correct Xerox actually invented the GUI and had it running on several k of PC's running Unix and when the [b]Powers That Be at Xerox[/b] decided that there was no future in PC's and decided to concentrate on their [b]Core Business[/b] photocopiers they brought in all the current competition of the day Steve Jobs [from Apple} and Bill Gates and showed them what they had accomplished before trashing the entire system and sending it to the scrap heap.

Now if I remember correctly Apple got their GUI to the market first and where the PC to own for the illiterate computer user and where there long before Windows hit the market with Windows.

But I'm open to correction. :D

Of course I see that you want to start off a massive argument where you need Fire Proof gloves on before you can touch your keyboard but I'm not buying into it. :D

Col ]:)

by nz_justice

But I'm a bit slow (got droped on my head when I was a baby(they should explain heaps)). But how does any of what you said mean that Windows is not the greatest OS. sorry your not buying into, well thanks for the info. Did you know that the the number one selling motor bike was the honda cub. And the show top ten greatest every rated this bike as number 1 ever. So thanks for putting me stright with the those facts, but whats the relavince. My main point is ( not that I didn't produce straight facts at the start of the thread) but windows is the graetest OS ever, so what if xerox created the first ever GUI, micrsoft stole it. So what if apple got their gui on the market first, mirosoft still out sold them. How do you become the worlds most hated and used software in the world if your OS is not the best ever?

by hal 9000

Join up with IBM to smash Apple that's exactly what Billy Boy did and since IBM used Open Architecture so any company could make an IBM clone it had to have MS product on it to compete. So that is how MS got 95% of the PC market not because it was the best but because it was sold by IBM on their own machines so everyone else who wanted to compete with IBM had to use MS OS & Software this was again back in the DOS days.

Incidentally that project by Xerox didn't just allow the networking of any number of PC's but allowed the sharing of resources between different units so if one unit was low on CPU resources this was farmed out to other units that had an excess of resources available the same goes for Memory and storage space. I've yet to see anything similar to come out of MS Windows yet but at least you can network the OS easily even if there is an upper limit to the number of concurrent connections that it supports.

By the way the best car of all time as voted by the AU motorist was a 1965 VW Beetle it was more reliable ad fuel efficient than anything else on the road as of 1995. Pity my stock standard one straight from the factory only gets 8 miles per gallon but goes like the clappers and throws out about 4 foot of flame from the exhaust pipes on the over run. It's just like my Ducati I should have Flame Guards on the exhaust outlets but at least I do enjoy driving it even if the petrol has all been changed and I need to pull the motor apart to change the valves and seats so they don't fail. :D

By straight from the factory don't make the mistake like many do that I was referring to the VW factory either. :p

Col ]:)

by nz_justice

But now in the year 2006 when there are so many good alternatives to windows, it still has a large chunk of the market(peopel have a choice now and they are still choosing windows). And MS still steel good ideas. Look a novel netware. far superior to any thing windows could offer, at the time of carpy NT 4 or below, and what did MS steal? AD, and now with Windows XP pro (soon to be over taken by vista) and win2k3 Server you got a pretty solid setup. So if Microsoft steal the best from the rest they can't go wrong. They don't need quality contorl they just have to wait for some one else to do it then bamb MS have it.

Then there is firefox, firefoxes tabs kick ass(apparently you can download third party software to have tabs in IE (but I can't be bothered)), you get tabs and not so many vunrabilites (because it's not microsoft). Whats MS doing? They are releasing IE 7. Now seprate from the OS (something to do with them being an evil market hog and the law saying they can't provide to many apps with there OS or something, because it is unfair to competing alternative products i.e media player vs quick time vs real etc...), at least thats the excuse)and will probably have tabs functionality.

All this jsut keeps making windows OS get better and better, the alternatives can't come up with a better one because MS will just steal it.

cool you have a Ducati. I want an indian, the movie the worlds fastest indian has inspired me to want to have one. I can't top your Ducati or VW story, I only had that honda cub one.

Feel good and have fun :)

by hal 9000

For example Word Perfect since about version 10 I think has had a "Make it Fit" option when the lines go over a page or several and you can reduce it down to fit onto the most convenient page number or increase the page count so that the entire page is filled with no blanks. Word doesn't have that yet and Corel has had it for ages. :)

I only have a small Ducati a 1982 900 SS Darmah 1 of 23 that was imported into AU that year and I've been in control of it since new so I never allowed any of the racers who used the 4 bikes that we had in the team actually use it even though occasionally a few parts where stolen off it at race meetings when there where no spares.

The one that I really loved was a 1959 250 cc Factory GP racer it was lovely to ride and I used it in Classic Racing one rear tire a day several chains and one front tire worn out every week end now that was a fun bike to ride. :D

But unfortunately when I moved north I sold it as there when no race tracks up there and it was useless for anything else still regretting that sale all of 25 years latter and it only did 140 MPH. :( The 900 will pull 130 KPH in first without a second thought but is very heavy on fuel if you are silly enough to ride it at the posted speeds. :(

If you actually shake it into top and keep it around the 5K RPM it will run along on piratically no petrol at all but in that gear and engine speed you are slightly over the speed limit only by a factor of about 3. :D OH life is good when you have something like that as a play toy. :p

The VW on the other hand is a [b]PIG[/b] but I do like the way that it leaves all the supposedly high powered V8's in its wake. A friend of my son who insisted on trying to beat it on a drag strip after loosing every time for half a day even when I muffed the starts insisted that it is a [b]Freak of Nature[/b] and he wouldn't believe that the speedio was actually a speedio he insisted that it must be a Tacho until I showed him the cable running to the left hand front wheel. He just thought that I had altered its internals so I had a Tacho right in my face. :D

Col ]:)

by jaqui

version 6 of wordperfect "wordperfect for windows" in 1995 had it.

and as far as MS stealing non copyrighted stuff only, one person I know was telling me yesterday that ms didn't even remove the copyright when they stole some code from aix to create dos with, it still had his name in it, right up to the death of dos itself, windows xp.

by jessie

Winblows is not the best OS ever... but Microsoft's antitrust practices make it the best known and best marketed. You do recall that little suit against MS, do you not? The one where they were found GUILTY of breaking the antitrust laws, a.k.a. predatory business practices? Their predatory business practices are the reason they're the best known software in the world, certainly NOT because their software is the most stable or best featured. Now that people have a choice, well... people are lemmings... they'll walk right over the edge of a cliff if the guy in front of them did it.

:p Thanks for that little trip down memory lane. I'm not sure how many times this thread or one just like it has been posted, but I so dearly love beating people over the head with logic knowing that they will discredit or completely ignore all the facts anyway.

by hal 9000

I hope things are going well for you and the little Miss.

I'm still dirty about you not setting up a web can and broadcasting the birth but I'll eventually recover. :( If I can continue to afford the therapy anyway. :p

Hows the job hunting going anyway? Maybe you'll get lucky and your sisters will allow you out of IT into a [b]Real Job[/b] with reasonable hours and paid overtime instead of the rubbish that we all have to put up with working IT.

Lets know if I can help in any way.

Cheers

Col ]:)

by nz_justice

But those aren't the only MS business pratacies. They do Human Computer Interaction reasearch and they out-source parts to independant companies to build them. It's not good company practice to ignore the competition. Despite the law suite they just seem to work harder at doing the same thing under a diffrent name. And best dos not have to be definied as stable or best featured. MS products are feature ritch (and that casues lots of problems). Winblows can be the best OS ever, just because all the lemmings use it and it makes them happy.

by noyoki

He will tell us that Gates invented the internet.

Oh, and what do the tags of sex, girls, bondage, etc. have to do with this post?

by nz_justice

Gates is not realvent to the greatness of the windows OS. And he didn't create the internet.

Oh, and nothing they are just tags.

by noyoki

How can Gates not be relevant, when he's the one that did the "dirty work" in making it (in your opinion) "great"?

by pkr9

He will tell us theat Bil Gates PERSONALLY invented the PC, and - well computing in general. He will most likely also state that networking would be impossible without MS, and that MS is a great thing for the internet. He already stated that there would be no PC's unless MS had come to our rescue.
As far as I know, BG personally invented 4 bit FAT, which immediately went into obsolescence because it was too small. He completely missed the net, because he'd much better like if we used the MS Network which was part of the DOS-shell W/95.

In the W/95 welcome pages MS use the wording "upgrade from OS/2 to W/95", which made me first roll on the floor laughing, and on and second though made me feel very sorry for the millions of people beliving such stuff.

I usually don't pick on spellings, grammar and such things in forums. But it is noteworthy, that these MS fanatics always write everything in one long sentence without any punctuation, and every second word is misspelt.

rgds
Peter

by nz_justice

Yes my spelling and grammar are crap.

I just recently discovered the spelling function of the Google toolbar.

They don't have a grammar option yet.

The post isn't about Bill Gates and what he did or didn't do.

AS far as I have been made aware of, there is no linux\unix application that aren't also made avalible for windows OS.

My skill is not gramma, if yours is, just point out my mistakes and I will correct them.

by hal 9000

I've been using WP since the DOS days and unlike all the lemmings who have gone to Orifice I stick with what works. I know that the Make it Fit option has been there for a long time but I didn't realize that it was that long makes Word look as backward and nasty as it actually is doesn't it? Well I suppose 11 years is nothing in the long term view of MS is it. :D

Funnily enough when I set this place up all those years ago I had Corel WP Office on every computer and all the staff complained bitterly and insisted that I was way behind the time living in a long dead world and since then they now all use WP Office and hate it when they have to switch to the MS option I've even seen them using WP 12 in MS mode just to get something done so others can read it when required. :D

Now they look forward to a new version of WP and I haven't got any office product newer than XP and I only got that as a throw in for a volume license kit that I bought, seems that the people at the marketing side of MS got their noses out of joint when I refused to buy a volume license copy of Orifice and said that I would stick with what I know works properly WP when the Volume License copy of XP Pro arrived there was also the same number of Office Licenses included. :D

While I've installed it just so there is a spell checker in Outlook I would have been as happy to use Office 97 and never open the package. :)

Col

by nz_justice

just a name. I don't use bill gates as an OS, I don't buy Bill Gates applications. He's a guy who made a lot of money. good for him. The OS is far evoled since Gates was around.

by hal 9000

Are we actually talking about Bill Gated The person in Charge of Product Development at Micro Soft? Or is there some other Bill Gates around who has made heaps of money off the backs of others and run them all into the ground?

When MS lost its Anti Trust Case Billy boy had to resign as CEO of MS and that job ended up with Steve Balmer and Billy Boy was put back in charge of Product Development so who exactly do you think gets all the kudos for 2003 in all its forms and will no doubt be held responsible for Vista or is that Visa when it eventually gets released in a [b]Beta Form for sale to the General Population?[/b]

You may not use a OS named Bill Gates but here you are pushing that Windows is so great and it is Bill Gates who is in charge of developing it so what's in a name Windows could just as easily be called Bill Gates version 10 or Vista after all a Rose by any other name would still smell like a Rose and Windows by any other name would still be a second rate OS full of bugs that constantly need to be plugged.

I vividly remember the 2003 ES launch and being told that this was the best strongest OS that MS had ever built and was so secure that it was then impossible to break. Of course 2 weeks latter the first Hot Patch was released for it but they obviously didn't know about this problem when they where attempting to brain wash us all as to just how secure it was did they? :D :D :D

Col ]:)

by nz_justice

and if I can remember what they were. I removed them off the thread after I posted that reply.

Why? It's a long/short story.

by tony hopkinson

Commercially only a complete idiot would call it a failure, technically it's a wall to wall f'up though. I've lost count of the times it's internal inconsistencies, failures and plain design errors have forced me to produce sub-standard code or to exceed the amount of effort that should have been required to make something worthwhile that runs over it. Everyday at work when I've been using windows I've had to cope with the fact that MS's commercial success could be my employers commercial failure. Any all things to all men technology will never meet anyones requirements, by definition it tries to get some of everyones.

P.S. in software engineering a feature is a bug it would cost too much to get rid of.

Have you used any other OS's ?

by fcometa

Best as in what? Greatest as in what?

Maybe you should have said "Nobody would use a PC if Microsoft wouldn't have 'invented' MSDOS". The IBM PC and compatibles got the big share of the market not with Windows in it, but DOS. So maybe DOS should be named the greatest OS ever.

Maybe because of your 'childhood accident' are you uncapable of accomplishing a thing in Linux. I'm only 34 and have done quite a lot with it, being the only OS my job computer (this was a personal choice of mine).

Mac is not Windows. Gnu's Not Unix.

What did the internet run on? Ever get to see the Unix-like login when connecting to the internet, when you used to use Trumpet and Winsock? Guess you don't remember that. Anyways, Winsock came about in 1993, ten years after the Internet came into the civilian domain.

Whether an application is worth using is pretty subjective. How many applications in Linux do you know that are not 'worth' using? Oh, I forgot, you're still not done yet with your lifetime to know...

I agree that you are trying to start something here. I know that you can't be as superficial and empty as your post seems to show. You should know better that that. But I also could not resist a reply. That Windows is the most used right now, that it has been stuffed down our throats for better or worse, it's true.

You may call it the greatest, or the best, but please specify. The best selling? Or great as in the Roman Empire?

by nz_justice

In my finte wizdom, I thought that, becuase this was a windows forum, I would have evrey one agreeing with me (of course that is never the case). I like linux and am keen to give it a try, I've actualy been trying to pay for linux (how about that), but the linux I want is not for sale anymore in my country (NZ) (ten software releases only, how slack is that). It's avalible in other countries but they wont ship here (bastards). I know how secure and stable and fast unix\linux can be, but it is not windows (there is some big doc on "linux is not windows" you can find a link too it here in the TR, it's in another thread). I work with windows and there products every day, so windows is virtualy sholved done my throat, and in my older years I have learned the art of acceptance. and there for, I can blindly say that windows is the best OS every, but I can't clarify what best is.
I say it's the best OS ever cuz I use it every day along with millions of other people in the world, check out www.microsoft.com for a plug on why windows is so great.

by fcometa

Now that I read the "bullying and discrimination and harassment in forums" thread, I know I can't expect more than mindless comments from you (although your post alone does a good job at it, too). Thanks for saving me the effort... I have better uses for my neurons.

by tony hopkinson

Blind and limited. Do you also admit you are limiting yourself, that you are donning your blinkers each morning ?
Why ?
Do you like being ignorant ?

You could get several distributions of linux, without even trying too hard.
Go buy the book Linux for dummies and you get one with it! I did. Got me a job along with my other experience then I got two solid years on the platform, doing something real with it. Not hard all you have to so is get off your arse.

by noyoki

Wait. Why would you want to BUY something you can download for FREE? The only distro's I've had trouble getting are the Enterprise versions. And those are ment for businesses, not personal use.

by kron

No matter what anyone says, I am pretty sure they have used windows one way or the other; heck entire economic sectors depend on it. Not counting the millions of people that have jobs today and can support their habits, families or whatever cause of Windows - Billy may not be the best programmer or IT guy out there but he sure is one heck of a business man - careful here he just might buy out your neighborhood

by tony hopkinson

Besides I doubt he'd want it. SOme of the guys who live in my street are not the sort of people he normally assiciates with!
LOL

by pkr9

Actually Bill Gates is a convicted criminal, as he was majority owner, CEO and more of Microsoft when they were found guilty of misuse of a monopoly.

Microsoft were better marketeers than f.inst. IBM. Their marketing genius were that the bullied OEM's into deals requesting them not to install competiting OS's, if they wantet to install Windows at all.
Later it was changed so OEM's were not allowed to sell a PC without an OS, if they wanted to install windows. This happened about the time market penetration passed 80%. When IE passed the same percentage development of IE died, only to be restarted when Firefox became a noted and better alternative.

Monopolies NEVER were any good. Read about the timber and railroad barons, Standard Oil, IBM, Ma'Bell and the rest.

by hal 9000

It's a lot of work in constantly patching locking down and whatever else you have to do to keep it even part way secure and working in some semblance like it's supposed to. :(

At every MS [b]Certified Partners[/b] meeting that I attend I'm always told that I'm expecting way too much from Windows as I started on a Unix platform and I keep comparing Windows to Unix even the MS Techs tell me this so at the very least they accept that Windows doesn't suit everything and really is only for the Desktop where you have a safe environment behind a [b]safety blanket[/b] not of MS making. :p

Anyway what version of Linux do you want I'll get you a copy sent to NZ without raising a sweat and if you like you can pay for the postage and blank Cd's. :D

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

You don't actually want a copy of Linux but a games version of Windows to run on a Play Station which is what Windows really excels at being a games platform.

Yes I do agree that in that case Windows is the Ultimate as it will play games all day long and only run into a little bit of trouble when you load something new that corrupts the various drivers and requires a reload. :D

But that is the game makers fault not Windows per say.

The reason that you can not get that particular version imported into NZ is to do with copyright issues not anything else as Sony has launched Legal Action against this particular Distro and things are being held up until that action is settled.

Col ]:)

by nz_justice

I don't think windows or MS are involved in the Sony PS2 Linux Dev kit. And I don't think I would be interested in a windows dev kit for Sony ps2. bloodshed dev c++ is a decent enough tool to explore game development in Windows. And if I had the hardware I would run a Linux OS. I can get a copy of Linux no problem (have a peer who is heavily into Linux).

Have you heard of mandriva? from their site you can buy Linux for 44,90 euros. but because it's open source, it looks like you can get it free if you download the latest fedora.

by hal 9000

They have reorganized and gathered another Open Source company into the fold and changed their name.

The good thing with them however is that they have a massive Data Base of available programs that you can access if you wish to join up with them. Last time I looked it was about $45.00 US per month to be a short term member and while it is possible to get most of the applications elsewhere at the old Mandrake Club it was all organized and laid out so you could easily find things.

I think that their latest is something like 10.1 or 10.3 but essentially it's the same as the Mandrake version but just with a new name on the Cd's. The desktop version is free to download but the Enterprise Version you'll have to buy it's capable of running a 2K CPU Blade Server which is something that Windows can not support.

As a Product Partner I have access to all their software and it's incredible although mostly used in Europe.

Turbo Linux on the other hand is being developed in the Asian Countries and is their attempt to answer MS Windows currently it's not available for download but from the trial version that I've got it looks interesting.

Col ]:)

by noyoki

it MUST be available for download. Period. That's what open-sourced means. Any derivative works MUST be available for free.

This doesn't mean they have to make it easy.

Try calling them, saying you want to dl it. See what they say. If they won't let you, you have grounds to go back to the open-source community, Linus Torvald included, and raise holy hell.

by csnuts

"...That's what open-sourced means. Any derivative works MUST be available for free...."
This is not exactly a true statement. I checked the link posted and the kit contains hardware and software. The software pack contains two discs; Disc 1 includes the Sony proprietary works and Disc 2 contains all of the 3rd Party programs, including the Linux distro, with various license structures. The Sony software is designed to run in a Linux Environment, but is not Open Source and is not released under any Open Source license. The Sony SDK is not a derivative work; it is designed to run on the Linux kernel, big difference. Here?s a quote from http://www.linux.org/dist/index.html, ?With time, individuals, university students and companies began distributing Linux with their own choice of packages bound around Linus' kernel. This is where the concept of the "distribution" was born. Today, creating and selling Linux distributions is a multi-million dollar business??

One can also purchase commercial licenses from many Open Source programs, MySQL for one, and then sell any software created using the MySQL distro for a profit and not release the source. Open Source does not automatically equal free depending on the license structure used for distribution of the created software.

Hope this clears this up a bit for you as far as distributions are concerned.

by noyoki

I hadn't really read the site (too much to do!), and had assumed that it was JUST the Linux OS, but on a PS. Meaning just the Linux code he wanted. Not the proprietary stuff built to run on it.

Also, you aren't really buying the software per say, when purchasing Open Source. You are buying licenses for support, etc. They make their bread and butter on providing a service. Not the software. Sure you can pay for support for Linux, but if you wanted just the OS, you can just download it or just pay shipping costs to have a CD sent to you.

It was my understanding, that if you take code under the GPL (GNU?) license, any derivative code had to be published under the same license... Meaning that, if you took Ubuntu, opened it up, created Ubuntava (or something), then proceeded to share it with others, sure you can charge whatever you like. But the code HAD to be made available to the public without cost.

If you created a picture using Gimp, the pic itself does not have to be Open Sourced, but if you made "Pimp" editing Gimp source code, it would. (Hence the bone of contention with Sony DRM being based off another Open Sourced package. Has that been to court yet?)

by jdclyde

First you state that nobody would use a PC. Lots of people did using DOS and there were also UNIX workstations. I used to teach in DOS and there were plenty of people using it. The thing that changed was the price of PC's. A PC costing 10K was NOT going to end up in someone's home. In 1998, my work bought me a PII400 for $1700. Now you can get a P4 for $400.

What do you think put them in homes, being affordable or being easy? This completely invalidates your first assumption.

Second, just because something is popular does not make it the best. OS2/warp was faster and more stable, but MS was better at MARKETING so they got the market share.

When you get out in the job market, you will realize that this is just FUD.

Look at specialized systems. High end graphics are done on linux. Ever hear of a movie called "Shrek?"

High end graphics have been on MACs for well over a decade.

High end CAD stations have been on Unix workstations for decades.

AOL users that are looking to buy a clue, are on windows systems because they can click on a pretty picture and it will USUALLY work for about a year and then needs to be formatted because it is so corrupted by viruses and malware.

Also remember, there would BE no web if wasn't for Unix and unix protocols for communications. Can you imagine a web run on netbuoy?

If a MAC is just as easy, how do you claim Windows is better?
If you have never sat at a linux desktop, how can you claim Windows is better?

Logic, what a fleeting thing..... ;\

by nz_justice

I can't afford a high end graphics MAC and I can't afford the equipment used to make the movie shrek and I can't afford a UNIX setup or CAD software and I don't no any one who can afford it (I don't get out much, I spend all my time in the TR site).

The US guv agency's run Linux\UNIX based servers and apps, as far as I know(and i don't), they are a big UNIX\Linux power house.

I can't even afford a better PC (If I could I would and I would also buy windows pro OEM edition). So If I had lots of money (if I was bill gates) I would have all the cool stuff you mentioned and I would love it. I would start a thread in the mac section, the greatest OS ever without a doubt.

Maybe I think windows is best OS ever, because I can relate it to being a common mans OS. Common meaning not very Linux-wise. Maybe even call it the people's OS. ;)

Love that word "contentions", its a very cleaver word. nice. I'll have to start a speech with it one of these days, something like This "Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, It is my contentions that... " or "Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen I will be presenting to you my contentions... " but I'll have to work on the grammer heaps to get it to sound right maybe....
:)

by hal 9000

Every Distro can run on less hardware than XP Pro as it has a much smaller footprint and far lower overheads in system resources.

My NB has a dual Boot setup one with XP Pro and it's a P4 3.2 GIG with 1 GIG of RAM and an 80 GIG HDD. XP Pro works OK on it but Debian flys on the same hardware and the added advantage is that when you buy XP you only get an OS with some things like IE and Media Player thrown in but with the Linux installation you get just about all you'll ever need there is always a WP, D Base, Spread Sheet, Graphics Program of some description and depending on what you chose to install you can have just about anything that you want from CAD to CAM.

The only applications that are special loads are things like the CI programs used by Industrial Light & Magic and places like that. There are also specialized programs compiled for different specialized business like banking and they generally are something that you have to shell out for but again they are very specialized software and not required by 99% of the users.

But once you've loaded XP Pro you then need to start loading all your other software and that can be time consuming if you use a high end workstation but at the same time when you install just about any version of Linux you get all of that included and it generally takes less time to install than XP requires by itself.

I have an old AMD 450 here that was running XP Pro and the owner traded it in because it was way too slow I've loaded Debian onto it and it's as fast as his new 2800 AMD unit with 2 GIG of RAM and this is only a K 6 2 450 with 128 MEG of RAM and a 12 GIG HDD. :D

The look on his face when he first saw me boot it after the Linux install up was priceless. :p

Col ]:)

by pkr9

IF you are short of money, and that's no shame, why then don't you stop shelling out hundreds of dollars to Bill Gates, when you can get the same stuff for free or at very low prices in the Linux/OpenSource world ?
Then you could spend your money on fast hardware, vacations or a wild night out, instead of giving them to Bill Gates.

rgds
Peter

by jdclyde

First Mr. Justice, which is more enjoyable. Making noise in search of "fun" like underage was, or posting something that you put thought into and having people around the WORLD read what you put and put their posts either correcting you or agreeing with you.

Second, your post should have said "I love Windows, and here is why". Never confuse YOU LIKING something with it being even remotely good. The two don't always go together, so it gives you more credibility if it is your "contention" that you like this and then spout what you like about it.

If this is about what you like, then the only place that leaves your readers is to agree OR offer alternatives that you may like more, in which case you will accidentally LEARN something! :D Of course you will always get someone come in and just tell you your and Id10t and attack you without any foundation, but these people are easily torn down and discarded.

Take public speaking classes. When/If you get a job, never turn down ANY free training that your employer offers you. EVER. I don't.

And yes, a word like Contention sounds better than "I think". People don't CARE what you think, but a contention is a challenge to someone and it gets them listening.

Try a linux install, select the "workstation" install and in an hour you will be on-line AND have a nice gui to run your computer with.

As it is in most cases a FREE download, AND runs with less system requirements, which option is REALLY the "common mans" OS? Which is better for people just starting out, one that runs nicely on a five year old system or one that will run like a DOG on a five year old system?

by Member 28221635

[quote] I can't afford a high end graphics MAC and I can't afford
the equipment used to make the movie shrek and I can't afford a
UNIX setup or CAD software and I don't no any one who can
afford it... [/quote]

Let's see here...
1) You can now buy a Mac Mini for about $499... maybe not the
strongest Mac, but capable of running more than 95% of all Mac
software.
2) See above. Mac OS X runs on Unix underpinnings.
3) Granted, Shrek and others were created using massive banks
of Linux machines, but a movie entitled "Sky Captain and the
World of Tomorrow was created on a desktop Mac before being
reborn on a bank of Linux machines.
4) I know of several CAD and 3D design applications that are
freeware.

So what's this about being too expensive?

by hal 9000

But back in the early days we used to have one big Main Frame and [b]Dumb Terminals[/b] on the desktop. Of course that was all run on Unix back then.

Now the new technology is allowing the [b]Dumb Terminal[/b] to make a comeback in the form of [b]Thin Clients[/b] new name for the same thing but I'm betting we will not be seeing too many Windows 2003 Enterprise Servers driving Thin Client technology. Mainly because that OS just isn't scalable enough for the purpose.

But even a desktop version of Linux will run those big servers easily and it only gets better when you apply an Enterprise version of Linux as it's leaner and meaner than the desktop version.

And from my limited observations the code is better put together as well requiring less clock cycles to do the same thing. That is something that I've noticed with people who program for Windows the code is sloppy in comparison to the code produced by people who are more at home in the Unix/Linux platform than what the MS only programmers are capable of producing. Actually it was MS that made me walk away from punching in code as I found it way too frustrating trying to get applications to run on Windows 3X way back then and that was essentially DOS I feel sorry for those who have to write code for things to run on XP and it's ilk.

Could be part of the reason why programmer's are those locked away and never allowed out in polite company as they are always the people who look as if they have just escaped from jail and the [b]Nice People[/b] never feel safe around them. :D

Col ]:)

by jdclyde

One SCO box running on a PentiumPro 200, feeding out to a bunch of dumb terminals over an all serial "network".

Big concentrators at each location, with one line for each terminal going in one concentrator at the remote location and coming out another concentrator in the central location.

Imagine if you will, the wiring mess I walked into, as we had six locations, each with a minimum of 10 terminals and 5 printers, EACH with their own line. fun fun fun.

No email, not ethernet, and only about 10 PC's, all on sneaker net. (Remember the old Acer 486's in the ugly gray cases? That and Packard He11's. brrrrrr)

Now the terminals are gone and we use terminal emulators on the PC's to access the same legacy systems AND internet AND email and many other things that just weren't available at the time.

come a long way, baby! B-)

Remember it? I lived it!

by bschmidt

Unix is for kids. OS/390, VSE/ESA, CICS...

Heh, sorry I couldn't resist. You mentioned dumb terminals, I just set one up this morning. We have Windows servers for the office area to share files and stuff, but the warehouse, shipping and anything else of any importance is run off a S/390. Dumb terminals and bar code scanners in the warehouse all connect to two 3270 controllers. Even the PCs run 3270 emulators. Every single thing coded in COBOL (with exception of a few Basic and Fortran tools here and there). Pretty much my job over the next 5-10 years is to pull everything off the mainframe and pull it over to SQL Server and build apps for it. Tell me I won't be an alcoholic by the end of it...

Oh yeah, and enough coax under the floors to give CNN to a small 3rd world country.

MS helps pay my bills so I can't bad rap it much. Besides if they made the perfect software there would be no need for people to repair it. 60% of IT would be out of work. Pandemonium would ensue. Riots in the streets. People hacking banks just to be hacked themselves by the hacker next door. MS is just doing its part in keeping society and the economy stable. :)

Heh...

Here's one for you, I have a DELL running XP HOME. Runs perfectly. Never a virus, spyware, etc. Of course all it's for is WoW and checking weather...but hey, it's a Dell w/ XP Home, 2 years and never a hitch, I must be doing something right...

by sleepin'dawg

this arsewipe crawl out from. WTF he talks about gaming, playstations and other assinine trivialities [b]and you guys respond to him, seriously???[/b] This is some snotnosed little punk, trying to play with the adults and I can't believe any of you respond to him in a serious manner at all.[/b] He is just a juvenile version of IT_Lobo(timized)and the best part of him drizzled down his daddy's leg.[/b] If you keep treating him and his inane posts with any degree of politeness or rationality, you will only encourage him. I'm gone for only 3 weeks and it's like TR has acquired its own peculiar virus. Ignore this anal retentive dick head as you would any other mindless twit like we did to MrMIAMI or IT_Lobo and hopefully he'll crawl back to where he came from and TR can get back to normal; a place for professionals. Sheesh!!! The nerve of some peoples children. If you only knew the connectivity hassles that I have here you would understand why I haven't spoken up before but Windoze being the greatest OS ever was just too much. Where are Max and Oz when they're so obviously needed??? Somebody tear this punk a new one before he lives a day longer. BTW if you are wondering where I am, eating here requires the use of chop sticks. How do you spell arsewipe; give me an "N" give me a "Z" give me a ........ well you've got the basic premise.:O X-(

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

by jdclyde

are sitting on the fence watching to see where Justice goes from here. (from my other post about ignoring some new users)

I had given this one the benifit of the doubt, actually more times than I ususally would. Underage on the other hand is useless.

Here is where what I was saying before to him about being judged by how you post. I am as off-topic as just about ANYONE here on TR, but I never come off as a loud kid looking for attention. You can be off topic, have fun and STILL fit in. Although we may have to make him show his ID before coming into half of Jaquis posts or when we get going with GG! ]:)

Chopsticks! Man, I bet that is a far cry from the crap they serve at the "China Buffet" up the road!

by starderup

I will say that some of the ideas Gates & Co. 'borrowed' from the Mac and Xerox were good ones. The PC Dos OS that he bought for $50,000 shortly after promising IBM that he already had one was not terrible, but not as good as other OSs in the day.
He was a shrewd marketer, but a poor visionary. Otherwise, 90% of the world's computers wouldn't be running a hacked up, unreliable insecure OS.
I owe my living to Windows machines. Fixing them puts bread on my table, so, please, everybody, keep buying it and use it.
I won't use it at home unless I have to, but I encourage everyone else to do so.

by jdclyde

Would you not agree that competition is GOOD for Windows?

If MS HAS to put out a better product, the USERS benifit, allowing MS to retain many of the big users that are more concerned with just "getting it done" than saving a buck.

*lix isn't going to put MS out of business, but it WILL make them START to maintain some standards of quality that they never worried about before because the dumb users where held captive. Now they will have to keep their users by competing. Good for everyone.

by jaqui

used by Production companies are in reality nothing more than server boxes, with the rendering engine they are using for the movie.

with 20 low end consumer boxes as workstations and 100 servers for rendering, you can make a 2 hour movie video sequence in about a year..the audio and synch will take another 4 months, on one server box.

the slowest thing is the rendering of the video sequences, most good raytrace rendering engines will take about a day per frame per cpu.
raytrace giving the best quality output.

a preview can be done at lower settings, in about 1/16th the time, so you can verify that the look is right.

by tony hopkinson

Have you ever written an application and watched memory dribble out of the air vents as it runs and tried to find the leak. Have you upgraded and watched your code break because ms thought it would be a good idea to revamp something that had nothing to do with the application you are writing. Have you ever sat down and tried to find out why every now and then for some reason best known to itself your wonderfully coded beautifully designed super duper app falls on it's arse with an access violation. I don't find it easy at all. Things that shouldn't be easy such as picking up and running foreign code on the fly are, things that should be such as displaying the content of a table in a grid are extraordinarily painful.
Have you used MS flex grid component, it auto justifies text by CELL based on whether the first character is a digit so you get crap like this

Location
My House......
.....51 MyRoad

Now who f'ing designed that, who QA'd it. I'd be upstairs with management for tea and biscuits and if made that dumb a mistake and the customer saw it.

It might be easy to use, it's certainly familiar, but making something useful out of it is way harder than it should be. This means everything that you like about it gets harder and harder to do, costs more and more and performs worse and worse.

by hal 9000

[b]VISA[/b] is coming and you'll have a whole new series of problems and lots of code to rewrite because the so called [b]"Software Engineers at M$"[/b] have messed the entire thing up again. :)

Doesn't the job security that M$ gives you make you happy? You just know that you'll be producing sloppy code to work on a sloppy OS that really never had a place on the desktop in the first place. IBM had it right when they went through that messy divorce with M$ all because of Windblows. :D

Col ]:)

by tony hopkinson

rewrite to .NET achitecture and C# coming up as well, though to be honest that will probably make the task of coping wth any impact from Vista, 2003 Server and MSSQL 2005 a bit easier, in that it will all be new and I won't have a lot of compatibility issues to deal with.
Expecting to go a tad greyer in the next six months or so though.

by mschachner

MFC? arrgh.

I can't count the number of times I've read, re-read, and read again an MSDN article that's telling me that this object should do what I'm expecting it to do and its not doing it becuase you need to init another objects member var to some other CASTED object you didn't think you needed becuase it has absolutely nothing to do with you trying to get done.

If you understood what I just said then you're a natural for MFC. Go for it.

For the arguement that Windows is the best OS. No. Not even close. Having supported all three in my time OS9.4 was probably the best OS (though only a little less buggy then MS ME/98/98se[it's direct competition]).

Being a fan forever of the command line I'm far more prone to toss my hat in the Linux circle for best OS(Mandrake for install and ease of use, RH for compatibility). Yes, there is a very steep learning curve to it but, should you get into trouble, you can always 'man -k whatever' and look it up.

I've gone farther down two roads I guess I shouldn't have.

Windows OS best? No. Greatest? Only with one qualifier - Distribution. Greatest distro. That's it.

by tony hopkinson

Mother F***ing Crap
Have you read the .NET CLR spec
Upcasting, Sidecasting and Downcasting are the terms they use, all under the common umbrella of Access Violation,I should think. Learn from their mistakes don't they.

Side casting very useful, the farmyard animals explanation of polymorphism.
For our next trick
A barking sheep !

Suppose upcasting is useful for a mute swan though.
LOL

by sleepin'dawg

Will be here for at least another month yet but I just couldn't let something like this Justice a$$wipe slide. He is a real cretin.

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

by pkr9

We had Novell, TokenRing and an AS/400, mixed dumb terminals and pc's running OS/2. Nice thing to manmage, few errors and rock stable.
Due to corporate descision this was 'upgraded' to NT, ethernet, and lots of PC's. Support staff was doubled in 5 months, number of servers quadrupled, network changed from 4Mbit to 10Mbit to 100Mbit, and costs skyrocketed.

3 years later we dumped all PC's for ad thin client Citrix based solution, and I woul NEVER even dream of doing a PC based installation again.

I too make a living off Windows, but we don't have it at home. Here the solution is Mac and Linux in a network, it runs by itself with very little effort.

by hal 9000

this guy comes from New Zealand where men are men and sheep are scared. If he actually went with Linux he would have more money available to paint the legs of the sheep that kick red so he wouldn't get kicked as often. Maybe he could even afford those Welles so he could first stick those red painted legs into them. :D

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

I have a brand new Stallion Network System here only been out of the box a couple of times when I handed it to some wet behind the ears newbie and told them to setup a network. :D

It plugs into a ISA Slot and has a 15 terminal com port interface lovely thing that it is. :(

But I did the right I did copy the 5.25 to 3.5 Floppies. :)

One day I just might find someone who can find a use for it. Its Microprocessor chugs along at all of 1 KHZ and was the fastest thing available in its day. Other than opening the books to copy the floppies I don't think that they have ever been opened. Would you like it just to remind you of all the joys involved? :p

Col ]:)

by jdclyde

sitting in the basement collecting dust.

I even have a WORKING 286 down there and a 386 laptop with win3.11! :D

by hal 9000

In a fit of stupidity I set up a Windows 3 X box as I thought it might be nice to have one around as I still had one customer using it.

Well I got 3.11 on it networked up OK and then I tied installing a modem which went well enough and then I started looking for the Win sock Floppies and gave up and dropped in a 95 Upgrade CD. I wasn't going looking through all the stored floppies here just for a Internet connection for a 3.11 Box. I know when to call it quits. :D

When one of my staff does something really bad I'll get then to do it for [b]Punishment[/b] I still have several old Pentium 1 boxes lying around which could be used for that purpose. I've even got a Quad 200 MMX box here that's running XP Pro very slowly admittedly but it works on it. :)

Col ]:)

by cheesel

Can't really write about Linux as I don't know anything about it yet, but I was trained on Netware and that had an "Active Directory" many years before MS. I suspect that MS 'borrowed' it from Novell. It was also more stable than MS.

Also going back down memory lane, the Amiga was a far superior machine than the PC's it competed with. It had integrated video and audio ten years before Wintel came up with the idea. Unfortunately, poor marketing by its manufacturer (Commodore, which was formerly a typewriter manufacturer), did the Amiga in.

Another case in point, VHS vs. BEtamax. Beta was of better quality, but VHS had better marketing.

by Member 25348569

Alas, Microsoft didn't borrow, beg or steal AD from NDS. If they had, do you think we would have the mess that we've got at the moment? No, they developed - if that is the word - the whole sorry mess in house from their Exchange 5.5 directory.

by hal 9000

MS used their best software developers to create AD need I say any more? :O

I used to get invited to the MS programing meetings but that all ended when I went to the Ink meeting and rewrote the entire code in C++ instead of VB. I don't think that they liked the fact that it took up less headroom and worked better. :D

Then there was the security Lab that I attended where a 2003 ES was protecting a [b]Virtual[/b] power station and we had to attempt to break in and play with the settings. After 10 minutes I sat back and had a smoke and was asked had I given up I just replied have a look at the simulated traffic lights. They where all showing green. :)

I've never got another invite after that. :(

I even allowed them to have the code for Ink in C++ and didn't ask for payment. :O

Col ]:)

by mschachner

....hmmmm
Graphics that blew away anything out at the time. I had my set until a few years ago when I sold it to a collector for some quick cash. I still have the monitor with it's 15 million ways to feed it video information. Keep looking at it and thinking 'I'm going to make a oscilloscope!'

by pgm554

He was also busted for possesion of weed.

Here is anti dope commercial you'll never see:

Bill Gates being a poster boy for how if you use dope,you'll never get anywhere.

by hal 9000

He didn't inhale. :D

If I remember correctly I heard that somewhere else previously. :p

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

On the Friday Yuk I posted a link to a MS article where MS is pushing the .Net into Financial institutions.

I didn't know if I should laugh or cry when I read it. :D

Col ]:)

by jdclyde

Anyone remember when the NEW 386 33mhz systems came out? MAN, did those things SCREEM! Drop 8 Megs of RAM and you were off and flying and for the CAD systems you would bump it all the way up to 16 MEGS! :O

Of course, you had to determine if it was going to be earmarked for Expanded or Extended memory, and often had to be SPLIT as some apps would only work in one or the other, and SOME would work in BOTH, but would grab one first if it was available.

Do cad stations of today on a P4 3ghrz running WinXPproSp2 with a GIG of RAM actually perform similar cad operations any faster? Or did you have to go to a MUCH faster set of hardware just to keep at the same pace using the latest bloatware available? I can bet you know what MY answer is. B-)

by hal 9000

The new stuff is just so much better so it's faster right? :D

Sorry I couldn't resist that one I've been to a few too many MS meetings last year. :(

Actually that 3.11 Box is driving a computer controlled lathe and will most likely still be there is 50 years time although it most likely will have had the computer side of it rebuilt a few times. Currently I have a 1200 Duron in it but it started life as a Pentium 90. All that oil and metal shavings play havoc with the electronics. :(

But remember the good old days I had a 486 with 8 X 16 MEG RAM sticks in it and once you got past the price of the ram about $1,600.00 AU per Stick it could do everything that this Dual Xeon is capable of doing and faster as well even if I was silly enough to put Windows 3 on it. :O

Col ]:)

by Member 28221635

You know, I've read about half of the posts in this series so far,
and all I can do is laugh.

Fact: Bill Gates purchased (supposedly) a Disk Operating System
for something like $500.
Fact: Bill Gates licensed the OS to IBM with the provision that he
held the rights to licens it to anyone else he chose.
Fact: Bill Gates licensed the OS to anyone who wanted to build
an IBM 'compatible' desktop computer.
Fact: Bill Gates got rich.

Talking about Windows...
Fact (as was previously mentioned) Zerox created a GUI, first as
a controller for a microprocessor-controlled copier.
Fact: Zerox decided the GUI was a stupid invention and sold the
rights to the 'highest bidder': one Steve Jobs.
Fact: Microsoft learned about the purchase and scrambled to
release their first version of Windows (3.0, I believe) mere weeks
(I think two or three) before Apple released the first Macintosh
computer with its GUI.
Fact: Windows did not compare to the Mac OS in features or
simplicity until Windows 95.

Biggest point here: I had been using the Mac OS for one year
before Windows 95 was released, and I had to teach nearly all
the computer users in the company I worked for how to find and
manipulate their files in 95... which, to me, was roughly equal to
the first MacOS with the exception of being full-color.

Since that time, Windows has managed to catch up somewhat...
Windows is now roughly equivalent to Mac OS 9.5. It is said (I've
seen no proof) that Vista has been made to look much like Mac
OS X's Aqua interface. That makes Windows still FIVE years
behind Apple.

Now, I'll grant that Apple only has approximately a 5% market
share in the US. Taking that into account, I'm sure security
issues to exist in the Mac OS. However, because the lion's share
of the software market operates through Windows, it's no
wonder Crackers are writing their Trojans, Worms and Viruses
against Windows. Even so, the Mac OS gets far less than 5% of
the malware floating in the wild.... so far less that it is
statistically unmeasureable.

So while Windows might be the Most Popular OS on the market,
it's definitely NOT the best.
I'm not claiming that the MacOS is, but it's a d--n sight better
than Windows!

by hal 9000

When Bill Gates started developing a GUI it caused the Industrial Divorce between IBM and MS. That was a bitter and nasty time to be working IT particularly as I was at IBM but luckily enough on the Mainframe side of things so I just got to see glimpses of the problems that where occurring on the PC side of the business.

Col ]:)

by jdclyde

I remember when memory dropped to ONLY $50 per meg! Hot spit on a gridle!

Now THAT takes me back! HUGE card, and you put as many chips on it as you had money for?

Anyone else have to trouble shoot memory? This error code says row and column and you replace THAT one chip off the board! Servers running off 2 MEGS! LOL!

damn, at least my experiences with punch card machines was only from my mom working with them when I was a kid! I just got the old cards to draw on! :D

by nz_justice

I would have to say it is more enjoyable "posting something that you put thought into and having people around the WORLD read what you put and put their posts either correcting you or agreeing with you". But I am upside down on the bottom of the world in a country full of sheep (which can be very distracting), that at least should let me off lapses in thought. :D

I learnt my lesson there, but check this out

https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-6239-0.html?forumID=79&threadID=188279

statykserver gave a good answer.

I will be downloading Debian, But I can't download Debian at work, it's like massive, and I all ready got into trouble for costing my org a lot of money by exceeding their bandwidth limit. Their limit is five gigs, I exceed the limit by 19 gigs (9 gigs uploaded, 12 gigs downloaded the other four gigs was org wide internet usage.) and we have corporate ADSL so it cost heaps. I also didn't see any of what I downloaded, the machine got confiscated for an investigation which I was later cleared off. But I will download it on home ADSL, which is not as fast as work and after a gig they limit me to dial up speed, but I don't get charged for excess downloading.

I am already a proficient public speaker, what lets me down is the not thinking part, I always seem to be ready to put my foot in it and dig myself a nice big hole.

by hal 9000

First you don't need to download all 15 ISO files for Debian the first 5 should be enough.

Secondly and much more importantly while Debian is my first choice in a Nix it's isn't the ideal Beginners Linux as it is mainly geared for the user who knows Linux inside out. Part of the reason for this is that it is written by Linux users for Linux users and lacks quite a lot of the bells and whistles that come with other distros. It's also harder initially to use but once you can use it you'll never want to work with any form of Windows again.

As a beginning tool I would try one of the Live Linux's like Knoppix all you need do is drop it in a CD ROM drive and have the computer boot from the CD/DVD drive it will give you the ability to read the HDD/s in the computer and work with Linux without damaging your Windows installation and also give you the ability to save anything that you produce on the Linux Platform to any form of Media Storage that you wish to use. The only down side is that using something like this you are limited to what is on the CD but even that isn't much of an issue as the applications will cover 99.9% of most peoples needs.

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

I missed the punch cards they where still around when I started but dieing out quite fast at the time and I never had to work on one of those as the techs at the time where very protective of their computers.

Last year I went to Melbourne for a day and I'm still kicking myself for not going to the Power House Museum where they have Citrix on display the fist computer built here in AU some time around 1945 although the actual date is still up in the air apparently it was designed in 1940 and went into service in 1945 and was used to do all the calculations for the Sydney Harbor Bridge and Snowy Mountain Dam Project and just about everything else till it was eventually taken out of service in the mid 70's.

It's just a static display and even for that they had to drag a couple of techs out of retirement to tell them how to put it back together. All punch cards chugs along at 1 KHZ and something I'd just love to get my grooty little hands on and play with. Far more fun than anything new. :D

Col ]:)

by nz_justice

1) I can't afford a mini mac. I can't afford mac software. I have MS Office 10 for MAC but no mac to use it on and it cost me the price of shipping which was $20 US, got it through a work deal.
2) but if I could I would. I think I mentioned that.
3)Still can't afford the mac that built "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow"
4)I was thinking "Auto CAD", but hey there are free ones.

by tony hopkinson

with my firms american division now. We do tax software for accountants. They aren't the most computer literate bunch I've ever met, but they are tax literate and waiting for service pack one so the can file their clients returns is something they aren't having.
Not to mention it bundling up all their client's financial details and posting it to ms so they can figure out what when wrong.

by jkameleon

... for the embedded applications that run from ROM/FLASH, and have no mentionable UI, at least.

Everything else is more trouble than it's worth.

by jimhwall

Windows is a bad operating system.
It is getting better with each major release. Of course each major release results in lots of more money for Microsoft. An incentive to not get it right. Maybe the next major relase will finally get it right but the focus seems to be on GUI/graphics not OS excellence.
Unfortunately for all us computer users success in the market required only a barely adequate OS and lots of applications. People bought Windows PCs to run an application; not to run the OS!
Microsoft's support for developers and easy bootlegging of Visual BASIC is what made windows. IBM charged too much for their dev tools and did not market them much.
The first barely adequate version of Windows was 3.x. Given the hardware limitations at the time, a solid OS would run too slow (OS/2). Also it would have to give up backward compatibility with DOS apps at the time; which was not an option. The Win 3.x support for multiple DOS VMs on 386 CPU made it possible to upgrade and still use your DOS apps until windows versions came out.

by charliespencer

I'm usually not very good at troll detection, but this one smells fishier than a cat food cannery. I'm surprised at some of the members that swam up to feed on this chum.

"You're gonna need a bigger boat..."

by hal 9000

When this was originally posted things at TR where slow with hardly anyone about very few new questions being asked so I at least need time to unwind after a day of work. :(

The original posting just got up my nose and I couldn't let it slip by but then again if everyone had not have been recovering from their Christmas/New Years time maybe it would have just slid into obscurity. :D

Col ]:)

by stewarth1

It all depends. For home users I will give Windows the nod. For business use I still believe Solaris is better. But I have to admit that we have taken the end users over to Windows since it is easier and more familiar. However we still keep the mission critical backend stuff running on Solaris. And if it wasn't for the OS being tied so closly to the hardware, VMS was the most stable, dependable OS I have ever used.