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The Glory-Taker at Work

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There's this guy at my job who loves to take other people's thunder.

Exhibit 1, if you will:
We're implementing a real-time data acquisition program (by Rockwell Automation) at our factory. Tonto (stupid in Spanish), the production manager knows as much technical info as my 82-year-old grandmother knows about riding a Harley. We've gotten past the stages of deciding what we want to pull out of the machines when we needed funding for performing a test on one of the machines. Tonto gets invited to the meeting to go over testing specs. He shows up 45 minutes later asking to be informed of everything we went over, (keep in mind that this guy is not higher than me in the company bureaucracy). My VP of Operations (my boss) happens to pass by two minutes later and decides to stop in. The VP asks to be informed about our decisions.

I tell our VP that what we need is approval for testing funds (only $1000 but still need approval), at which Tonto takes charge of the meeting as if he's been present the whole time, trying to take the thunder from the rest of us who had in-depth discussions on implementing a very technical issue into our infrastructure. Unfortunately, remember Tonto knows jack about technical matters. As the production manager, he's a glorified warehouse supervisor. I take particular joy in pointing out his many incorrect technical assumptions, which I do about every three seconds for the next ten minutes until it becomes blatantly obvious this guy is trying to nuke a metal fork in the microwave.

Exhibit 2, if you please:
I got saddled with the job of purchasing two new time clocks, one for each of our new warehouses. For two months, the VP and I discussed the pros and conns of going with one model vs. another and performing a payroll software upgrade vs. not. We purchase the clocks last week on Monday, and they come in Thursday. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to even sit down in my office on Thursday until 1pm as I was busy with other things. I walk into my office and there is an open box from the time clock company. Contained within is a note written on the packing slip from Tonto. It reads: See if you can integrate this with our current time clock system. We'd like to make it as easy as possible to conform to our current time clocks. Let me know if you need help.

On top of that, he writes an email to the VP, the Accounting Manager, our electrician (who knows why), and the three senior team leaders from the warehouse floor that says exactly what the note says. Again, Tonto wasn't a part of the decision making but decided to come in at the last minute (unfortunately b/c the time clocks arrived via UPS through his office) and belittle me in front of multiple people and try to take the glory of adding new time clocks. The email was copied to multiple people but addressed only me, didn't even include a reference to anyone else, and repeated verbatum what the note said.

I responded with an email copied to everyone he copied it to, saying, Thanks Tonto. I saw your note. The VP and I have been working on this for about two months. It's good to see you'd like to get involved now and that the time clock company was prompt with delivery. If you'd like any more info on the project, please let me know.

There are tons more stories like this about the glory taker but I've already written too much.

Just wanted to know if anyone else had stupid stories like this.

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by absolutely

I work only with honest, industrious people who are so humble they can barely be persuaded to take credit for their own work.

by drowningnotwaving

You sound very aggrieved and/or upset by T's actions.

Every now and then that is just going to happen, but seemingly from your note this happens multiple times between you and the same person and it upsets you.

You have to work out what game YOU want to play. Because then YOU have complete control over your response to whatever someone does.

If you want to be a part of the corporate jungle then you have to learn to play the game that Tonto is playing, but in a smarter, more pleasant and more proactive way.

There are ways of taking the wind out of his sails in an impersonal, non-attacking, non-aggressive manner which doesn't target T or any other individual. If done correctly, these methods leave no room for others to come in and take the credit for your work.

And the first thing to do is to determine your and the other person's real motivation. You can't strategise an approach without knowing your own goal nor without doing some recon on the other folks.

Alternately you have to choose if this is really important to you.

If you don't want to "play the corporate game", get involved in "politics", "cover your ass" - whatever phrase you wish to use - then the most important thing is to develop a really good, thick skin and simply not be concerned when similar things to what you have mentioned in your note inevitably occur. If you decide it isn't important to you, then just let it go. Seriously.

You'll get a good laugh from the sidelines watching the games occur with other folk.

Or, when they or their actions do worry you because of some short-term event, just go home, kick the sh!t out of your cat, and return to work the next day with a refreshed attitude.

But it is extremely difficult to be half-and-half. If you hate "corporate politics", or hate playing the "corporate game", AND you get pissed off when someone takes your credit for a particular project, then somewhere along the line you will actually have to make a decision.

Participate and win, ignore it completely, or look for somewhere else.

Otherwise it will bring too much negativity to your day and life. And that's not a good thing in any kind of long term, whatever that is to you.

Bottom line is to take responsibility for yourself and your response in the workplace.

by triathlete1981

i like it.

i think i've decided to take the not play that game route. i talked to my wife about it, and she said that the only thing i should be concerned with is what my boss thinks (at work that is, not personal life).

people at work know what i do and what i'm responsible for. just sometimes this guy really gets under my skin and i want to punch him in the face. unfortunately, i don't have a cat. i have a guinea pig, and the cat might survive a good foot whompin but the guinea pig, no. ha ha.

by dspeacock

Take up golf, put his face on the ball and swing away. Go to a batting cage and imagine him on each ball. Go out in the middle of nowhere and yell at the trees.

Then

Walk into the office the next morning with a smile and he'll be wondering what you're up to. Keep him guessing.

by drowningnotwaving

... There are still ways of playing a very positive game that ensures your interests are covered.

I'd encourage going to the business book section of Barnes&Noble and spending $100 on three or four different "how to be happy at work without going to jail or the asylum" books.

You will see that you can ensure your positive influence is recognised as such; that you don't have to change whatsoever as a person (just change some work practises); and (by not stooping to the level of T) you actually elevate your level and influence, without actually playing any games.

There are heaps of different methods - just find a method that works for you.

Good luck.

PS: I have heard that a guinea pig can be loaded into a baseball pitching machine.

I'd recommend 50 mph to start off with.

Always happy to help. ;)

by dr_zinj

is one of my all time favorite books.

It's a blast to figure out which game people are trying to play with you and then, oh so innocently, spike their ball. Which of course is my own favorite game, NIGYYSOB.

by steve.lewinsky

A few years back, my boss in the IT department was, basically an old Cobal programmer. Our company had in place an award system for innovative creations for the company. It was cash and a plaque. I created a software paging system to communicate with our warehouse. I worked on this at home on my own time. I install it and get it working by myself. He was no where around. A few weeks later, corporate calls me and my boss in for a meeting, we are both presented with an award for our creative work that we did.
Oh BTW idea was submited by him to corporate as something he and I worked on.
But in the end it worked out, He was shortly after let go due to downsizing, and I am still here.

by jruby

One time I had a manager that I was on pretty good terms with. We had to support some new hardware (anybody remember NeXT?) that was incompatible with our token ring network, so the proposal came up to install an ethernet network just for them. Since my team had to support the pc's and networks, we proposed to change our entire network over to ethernet during a remodel to lower our support costs. I designed the ethernet network, prepared the bid proposal, reviewed the bids, selected a vendor, and managed the project from start to finish. My manager got a $5000 bonus for the project finishing with zero impact to the users. I got bupkus.

Shortly after that I prepared a proposal to set up an inter-regional monitoring system that would allow tech support personnel among our various offices around the nation back each other up. The technology director asked to see an early copy for 'review', which, like a naive idiot I agreed to. A week later I found out she took it to her counterparts and presented it as her proposal to much accolade. Again, I got bupkus.

Needless to say, I bailed from that environment shortly thereafter and went to work for a smaller company where it was harder to hide accomplishments (and failures).

I guess the point of my tale is to not let events like this keep you down. If you see a consistent pattern of behavior like this, look for greener pastures, just don't let them drag you down.

by gsg

I had a similar situation on a much smaller scale. I learned to protect all of the documents that I sent to my manager and used footers with page number, company name, and a notation such as "Prepared by: GSG", or "Project Manager: GSG", etc... She asked me one time to unlock a report, but I had a reply all ready to go, that went something like, "Oh, I did that so I could keep track of my changes since I have a complex format, and you're so busy with XYZ, just tell me what you need and I'll get it in there in the proper format and make it all nice and fluffy." Then I gave my evil, fake sweet/innocent smile. She knew what I was doing, but couldn't call me on it, and she didn't want to retype everything that got submitted to administration. I got promoted out of her department, and later left the company, and am a much happier person.

by rmarek

I don't think that you/we will ever be rid if idiots like TONTO... they're everywhere! It took a long time for me, but I'm beginning to learn that when these situations arise, the one thing that I/we have the most control over is our own attitudes... yeh, I know it sounds like bull-pookey but it's true, really. The more we take offense and loose our cool the more we look just like TONTO. WoWaH!?

Now, once the attitude is in check, the situation can be reviewed without emotional encumbrances and a positive course of action can be laid out which, in many cases, may be no action at all. You will see that "most" folks see TONTO for the "fool" ...without needing to point it out!

P.S. I gave my "TONTO" the name of Mugsy, from the old TV movies "The Bowery Boys" - Mugsy liked to use big words that he misused or could not pronounce or both. I learned to laugh (inside) at his buffoonery.

by tspevak

I have seen my share of those who are capable of pulling themselves into other peoples' spotlights. It may be tempting to expose or ridicule the poser, but it's not ultimately worth it. In time, the poser's actions generally leads to their own career implosion. If it's a large disparity between ability and perception; it might be a large implosion. Staying out of it keep you safe WHEN things go South for them.

Your wife is right. If your boss knows you're the real deal, I wouldn't sweat it. Your coworkers will also have a good idea, too. Having the right people know is all that matters. Until then, you will have to sit back and wait for the implosion. Rather than letting it anger you, treat it as if you have front row seats to a really bad movie that you have a small part in. Remember that it will be over in a bit and when the credits roll, not everyone's name will be there.

by jusovsky

The funny thing is that in certain companies, it seems like incompetence runs deep and all the way to the top, allowing these people to thrive and benefit interminably. People that ride on others' tails are part of the corporate culture. I'm sure anyone who has worked for Sprint knows to exactly what I refer.

by tspevak

to stay out of it. The moocher either leaves or, if the culture supports incompetence; leave. Getting involved makes things messy and could also fry your career.

by grobi43

Mr. Ramirez,
YOU have got to get away from this type of idiot; he is due to detonate in the near future, let him blow up on his own, don't get near him because the fallout will hit you. Peace and good luck to you. Glenn R.

by jusovsky

Although the imminent detonation of a glory vampire might be satisfying to the worst in us, I have to wonder sometimes if perhaps these people don't realize what they are doing, or maybe they do, but think no one else notices. If someone were to directly point these things out to the offender, I wonder if their behavior would change.

by ijusth1

Oddly, the saddest thing is that the exact opposite really is the method to improve your career. Letting his bosses know that his team accomplishes these great things is what actually puts him into a better light. Shows him as a good manager with great people and someone they can count on. It also, and more importantly, makes him a "good boss" to his crew - someone they can follow. They know that they can count on the person to act responsibly, champion there cause and just do the right thing. You get get better results with a carrot then a stick and knowing that the boss is ripping off their ideas means that they will feel free to be creative and do that little extra the next time and not worry about how someone else would get their thunder.

by dadspad

As stated above in a very well written reply, this is office politics. A direct confrontation may fuel resentment and he become the other worse person. The one that sabatoges you behind your back.

by darin.yates.ctr

Had a similar situation a few years ago with a contractor who was notorious for taking other people's inputs/ideas, presenting them as her own and not only getting credit but a promoted.

I used a combination of stealth and misdirection in the situation. I started by documenting my ideas, work, etc.. and when approached by her for my input would either state a half truth or usually tell her I didn't know about the subject, my fellow co-workers basically did the same thing (she wasn't well liked by most for some reason) and suddenly our super smart person was fumbling in meetings, unable to meet suspenses, not getting "her" tasks done and making bad mistakes. It wasn't too long before she moved on to a different job in a different state.

by jedmundson

I ran into that situation back in the '80's.
I was an enlisted man in the Navy at the time and had very little knowledge or experience with computers. I was directed by my commanding officer to create a small app for my department. I did it by reading a whole lot and asking a few friends for help as to what to do.

My Senior Chief Petty Officer saw the app and took it to our CO (Commanding Officer) as his own creation.

Unfortunately for him, or CO had some knowledge of programming (more than I did). When he looked at the code, he saw the commented out documantation that included my name.

The next thing I heard about the app was our CO calling him in "on the carpet" for an "a@# chewing").

Life wasn't too plesant for me after that but it was worth it.

by mg156

I had a co-worker of this sort. They would email me about technical problems they were having and I'd spend some time looking at what they had and either tell them what to fix or fix it, test it and let them know what I changed.

FF a few months. I see an email about how said worker managed to fix X problem in no time and X problem was the one I fixed for this co-worker. No mention of help from anyone and accepted all the credit. From talking to other co-workers, this person did this to many people. This person got prompted 6 months later, no doubt due to others help and hard work.

I now cc my supervisor and both my group and the group of the person I am assisting. I do so in order to share the knowledge and so my boss knows I am assisting others when asked for help. If I am working on a project and there are people such as your Tonto, I cc them when working on a project so they are in the loop. If Tonto wanted to be involved in the project, I trust my boss to know that too many chefs (especially one with limited knowledge of a microwave) spoil the soup.

by hlhowell9

I hate to say it, but I have been on both sides of this type of situation, Where I was perceived to be the "bad guy" taking credit for others work, and also on your end as well. However in both cases it turned out that it was miscommunications on both sides. In the one case I was working on a project with one group, when one of my compatriots took up the same cause with a different path. We arrived at the same result at about the same time. However my order for the parts had gone in first, to the same company (not surprising, since the company was a preferred provider), and my goods arrived first. The other individaul had just your reaction, but was not privy to the work that I and the group I had worked with had done. I was also unaware of his work. I was told to task him with the install. He had your reaction. And hated me forever after that. Even when he found out that the boss knew of my work even as they were working together. I guess the boss was checking who was proficient. I don't know. But relations were forever strained between us.

Another time, a certain individual sat out to torpedo my work. He belittled me with both his own and my supervisors, said my work was not adequate and eventually got others to believe that. I sank into a depression, and eventaully ended up on medication because I really let him get to me. Worse, I thought he was a friend. Finally I quit the job. I never did understand what was going on.

Neither, both or either of these may apply to you. But you need to step back and check out the whole story. It may be much more convoluted than you think.

One important thing to remember is that all but about 5% of people do NOT set out to be A**H****. Circumstances, personal needs/drives or situations produce the best or worst in all of us from time to time. Of course there is that 5%, too.

Regards,
Les H

by ironspider

Tonto attempts to steal your Thunder, you slap him down every time. I don't see what the problem is here. Keep it up and sooner or later the VP will start slapping him too, or at least start providing you with fly swatters.

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