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I have a question related to upgrading a fast ethernet network to a gigabit network. We have upgraded all desktop NICs to support gigabit EN, we have also purchased all gigabit switches for our servers...but, will this all matter if we keep our Cisco 1720 router in place?

It looks like the router only has a 10/100 NIC. Since the router is in front of the gigabit switches, we won't be able to fully reach the gigabit speeds...am I correct on that assumption?

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by danke

internally, of course, but whatever switch is running to that 1720 will Auto-Neg to 100 with it.

by jeffrey.ho

So are you saying the gigabit switches will only run at 100 since it's connected to a router with only 10/100 EN?

by danke

Yes.
If that router is is between your switches and the "internet" there is no reason to buy a new router (your bandwidth is probably nowhere near 100mb judging by your knowledge with this subject).

If I were you, I would just run an internal Gig'ed network, run a switch to your cisco router, and (obviously) pipe all your external IP traffic to that router.

set up spanning tree on those gig switches and all will be well.

by langlier

Devices connected to the same switch will run at 1Gbps, devices below that switch(other switches) will also run at 1Gbps. Its not until a device is outside that negotiated network (IE has to go to the router) that you will see things slow to 100Mbps

by deadly ernest

The router will only slow down the transmissions that go through it.

My home LAN has 1GB nics in all the PCs except one, with a 1GB switch, internally, everything happens at 1GB. The one PC with a 10/100 is the gateway PC and it only has a 10/100 as the Internet connection happens at under 100 MB so it doesn't need the 1 GB.

If your LAN is set up with three switches (s1, s2, s3), 1 router (rA), and 15 pcs (5 off each switch as c1 to c15 - c1 to c5 off sw1, c6 to c10 off s2, c11 to c15 off sw3); it can be set up a number of ways.

Lets assume all switches connect to the router and you can't go between switches except through the router. Each group of PCs off each switch will talk 1GB to each other, but transmission from pc 1 to pc 14 going via s1 to rA to s3 will be reduced to 100MB for having to go through the router.

However, if you have your system set up to allow s1 to up link to s2 and s3 so the switches can talk to each other directly, and the router sits between them and the Internet, then the whole internal network will be 1GB and only drop down when going outside.

How you set things up will depend upon the physical and logical network you're dealing with.

The common trick is to have the router in the center and the switches all off it, and the pcs off the switches, then you need to change the router to 1 GB if you want 1GB network, also make sure the cable can handle 1GB.

Most switches today easily handle up linking between switches on the same physical network, easier if they're also the same logical network. Routers are only needed to link between different logical networks. Mostly used as gateway cops now days.

edited to add - I've seen a small business network with an adsl modem router that had 10/100 ethernet ports. The internal network was 1 GB as they had a switch for each of the three open plan office areas, and these all connected to a 4 port switch that was also connected to the router. All internal activity stayed within the switches and didn't touch the router, but all Internet traffic went through the switches to the router and out to the world. you may want to consider such a system as well, another switch is cheaper than another router.

by jeffrey.ho

We have our router. It's a Cisco 1720 which has a 10/100 NIC. We have 3 gigabit switches. Switch 1 is directly connected to the router. Switch 2 is connect to switch 1, and switch 3 is also connected to switch 1. We then have about 20+ pc's connected to ports on switches 2 and 3. Is this the correct setup to reach gigabit speeds?

by danke

Yes, but just as Langlier has been saying, anytime you access something externally (i.e. that has to run through that router) you will revert back to 100mb speed. But this will do you no harm seeing as you probably do not have that type of bandwidth being piped to you with only 20 or 30 PC's.

If you wanted to, you could connect switch 2 and 3 use some VLANs with spanning tree for a little increased performance (probably not noticeable in your situation but fun to experiment with)

by deadly ernest

as everything behind switch 1 can talk to everything else at 1GB - only slow down is when the traffic has to go through the router, then that transmission will slow down to 100 MB.

cable is 1 GB, all switches are 1GB, all PC nics are 1 GB - router is only 100 MB device

Connection linkages occur as

a. pc-switch-pc = 1 GB

b. pc-switch-switch-pc= 1GB

c. pc-switch-router-switch-pc= 100MB only

networks as described is system b above all internal traffic happens at 1 GB - slow down only happens when traffic is directed through router.

by jeffrey.ho

I appreciate all the feedback, and I guess I just had to understand that gigabit switches really just pertain to your internal network. But, in our case this will still help tremendously.

by deadly ernest

narrow part of a funnel, while everything is in the big feeder section it's OK, but when it enters the funnel, it slims down to what'll fit in it - in this case the router when the transmission has to go through it. From your description, you're using the router as your perimeter or gateway device, so all internal traffic will be at 1 GB, but external traffic will be 100 MB.

by danke

I forgot to mention that, as well!
Very good to bring that point up.

If your client computers NICs are not gig NICs you will only be running at 100mb with those PC's. They will auto-neg to 100 with the switch, so always make sure your end user hardware is up to speed as well!

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