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What should we do with the Avatar Unit?

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See that blue box in the upper right hand corner with your avatar in it? We're looking for ways to improve it.

Options on the table run the gamut from offering a variety of customizable feeds to replace the current tabs to getting rid of it altogether.

We want to know what you think. How often do you look at/use this unit? Is it a gateway to content? What would you like to see changed or improved about it?

Thanks!

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by steffi28

I dont know if I'm alone in this but I do find it useful, especially to see who of my contacts are online.

Also the fact that alot of my contacts are in America or Australia means that there mostly online when I'm not so I find it handy as a shortcut to my profile to see my last posts and if anyone has commented on things I've posted, or questions I've asked/answered.

I don't use the recommended content that is suggested on there but I think the other features are useful, I'll be interested to see what others think about this and how often it actually is used :)

by charliespencer

I never noticed the tabs across the middle of the block. The "My Updates" is quite handy, now that I'm receiving e-mailed updates. Oh, wait, the "My Updates" isn't up to date either.

Okay, that was an unnecessary cheap shot. I apologize.

I don't know the advantage of knowing who's online at the time, so I don't use that feature myself. I assume the recommendations are based on my profile's Interests and Technologies answers, matched to tags. However, I rarely find a recommended article that catches my interest. I usually troll the Discussions or Questions pages directly.

This leads to my semi-weekly plea for the return of "View More" at the bottom of the Questions and Discussions pages.

by deepsand

If I right-click, and select Open in New Window, all 3 merely give me the very same page currently being viewed!

by w2ktechman

I have not set-up an avatar, I do like many of them that others use.
I just have not tried them yet, as I do not want to overload the already loaded TR servers.
When I stop getting long load times and/or page not found errors often, I may play a bit with them. But, I guess I am usually online when many others are, because ever since I joined TR, I have always suffered with these issues.

by sgt_shultz

I never have liked that. maybe the country.
native language would be more helpful. imho.
just fix the site so all the programming works like it should. i always like to visit the questions, i hardly ever go anywhere else. the things i find to be little aggravations (ahem) have to do with stuff like: when I click forums/then questions (sigh, i am already clicking more times then i want to) i asked for questions once, twice and now...the link takes me to wait for it...Discussions so three times i must click to make it to Quesitons.) maybe my avatar could have a link that takes me directly to new questions.
also i do love it when i get a, er, point. i don't like having to hunt for what post awarded me the point. a link to the last post i got a point for would also be fun.

by charliespencer

In the avatar box, click your alias, then click Edit Profile, then Edit My Account, then edit your location.

Also, next time you're in Questions, set a shortcut or favorite directly to it.

by sgt_shultz

thanks for the tips palmetto. i should never have invested the time attempting to describe the behaviors i find annoying. but thanks for the tip. last time i checked (a year or more ago) one could not edit out the location. that is why i have a bogus one. but i will check one of these days when i have the time to spend (never)

by rob miners

It always leaves QL. There is no Location like when i first created the account.

E-mail address:

First name:

Last name:

User name:

Password: Change my password
Company:

Country:

Address 1:

Address 2 optional

City:

State/Province:
ZIP/Postal Code:

Phone Number:

Fax
Edit:
Selected other and saved. It cleared it.
Still had to supply a city before i could come back here to post.

by sgt_shultz

i think it is working now. wow, that was fast service. i am going to call you Speedy now. Thanks.

by danlm

That match what you have in your newsletters. That, I would like.

truthfully, I don't really watch the contacts online part. I know others do. When I want to see that, I just go to my profile to check on it.

I don't think the My Updates every truelly reflected updates to what you have particpated in. Things would scroll off. I'm not sure if that was based on date/time stamp, with latest being shown first? I would rather see topics I am following with the most updates first. And then desending from there. Sort of like a hot topics, but what you are following.

Just a sugestion. I'm happy to be truthfull with the way it is.... I've gotten use to the navigation, so I can pretty find what I'm looking for anway.

Dan

by nicknielsen

But I do like knowing who's on-line and who isn't, so I can look for responses (or not). The Updates only ever show the three most recent updates to usually around 10-15 active discussion subscriptions, so I relied on the email notifications that I'm no longer receiving (my cheap shot! ;) ) more often than not.

by beth blakely

Ya got me!

The engineers are workin' on it! That should be up and running again soon. Believe me, we're SUPER sorry you're not getting those.

Thanks for your response.

by nicknielsen

24 messages, 65k, every post to all my active discussions since April 11. I'll be busy for an hour or two...

by boxfiddler Hot topic

as a gateway to the content I am following. However of late it is hasn't been updated. Until the past couple of days "My Updates" didn't reveal anthing subsequent to 4/11 in spite of the fact that I had been posting and subscribed to several new discussions/questions. As of today, none of my updates of yesterday are listed, only 2 of the 4 times that Bloc added me to his/her contacts along with another member who has added me to his contacts.

I like to use it as a gateway to threads I am following, and hope that issues with it get worked out soon. I also like the tabs just the way they are, and would prefer to keep it as it is.

by beth blakely

I'm so sorry about the Updates lag. The problem has been found and it's being worked on even as I type. Expect Updates to return to full functionality very shortly.

On the up side, we now know for certain that many of you find the Updates feature helpful and use it regularly.

by tig2

You turned it off to see if we would complain. Sneaky, Beth. Very sneaky!

I think we all understand- it's a website. There are holes and bugs and stuff. I will email you some Raid. Nothing works better than electronic Raid.

Personally, I like being able to see who is online. That way I can generally tell if anything is happening that I want to participate in.

I was a tad disconcerted though to discover last night that I had no history whatsoever. *sniff* I felt so unloved and insignificant. *sniff*

I like things as they are. I am almost getting used to it!

by charliespencer

And there was feasting and revelry among the peasants, and they slaughtered the fatted calf, and drank wine, and knew virgins (the few they could find around here).

by turnier

I don't know why "Job Role", "Location" and "member since" need to be shown -- I know what my job is and where I'm at... If I want/need to see those things I can go edit my profile. It would appear that you are just trying to fill some space -- how about some site or user stats (number of visits, number currently online, number of new posts per second, etc.) or some additional tab selections (see next).

I like the current tabs, but maybe you could move the "my forum posts" link down to there. What the heck, move all the links from the uppermost right-hand to there (My Workspace, My Newsletters, etc).

And, of course, I HATE the animated advertizements that are just below it.

by charliespencer

While you know what you do and how long you've done it, the same box is used to display this information under each of your postings. This allows readers to weigh your comments based on your background.

by turnier

Again -- I don't need to continuously see that info in the blue box in the upper left with my name/avatar. I wasn't talking about the info shown under each post as I read them (and I don't believe that was the subject of this thread).

by hal 9000

I've seen so many basic questions posted by people claiming to be System Admins that joined today and don't have a clue about what it is that they are doing.

So if you decide to answer that particular question you know how to respond you [b]Keep It Simple Stupid[/b] rather than say this is Basic Stuff what the Hell are you asking this for? Which upsets some people no end calling them stupid.

The country location is very important as you need to know if you are dealing with someone who is using English as a second Language and make allowances for their less that ideal English as apposed to someone in the US saying something like [b]U 2 Help Me[/b] which I find insulting from someone who's first Language is English.

So I would say that the Job, Location and Time of membership is very important to anyone who is looking at participating in either a Discussion or a Question as it alters the way that you reply. What you are proposing is that it's acceptable not to use blinkers headlights or any other device to allow others on the road to know what you are about to do because you know where you are going when you want to turn or whatever and then when you do something unexpected and have a truck run you down you get surprised why it happened. :p

But much more importantly when we all get run over by the PC Truck and get complaints levelled against us for being [b]Racial Prejudiced[/b] it will stop people being willing to help if they are constantly being called a Bigot because they answer everything is the simplest possible terms with one syllable words so that there is no possibility of being misunderstood. This makes things worse than knowing what you are attempting to do when you try to help someone as it's easy for a new member to treat them as such and the old members get a different response with a higher level of help because we already know what it is that they know.

Col

by turnier

I was not talking about the info shown at the bottom of each post -- I was addressing the thread topic "What should we do with the Avatar Unit", which I believe is the blue(ish) box somewhere at the upper right of your window.

by hal 9000

It's easy to find out where you have been what is happening and much more importantly when I can stop answering questions when I reach that magic 666 figure. :D

Much more importantly with knowing those of your contacts currently On Line you know where not to tread for your own safety as some of the girls are getting slightly out of control like with that Bat Mobile sub thread that you had to pull. :^0

I actually find it quite useful though I don't use the Recommended or My Updates because they just don't offer enough for my needs but it's a must to know who's currently On Line so you can sneak in something and have a day or so to ready yourself for the comeback from the out of control females lead by GG who you crowned the [b]Queen Geek.[/b] :0

She has lead so many astray for the True Path of the Righteous that it's no funny and the worst thing is that they are enjoying themselves. :(

It's was also quite useful over the past few days when TR was having Issues so that you could navigate back to see where or what you had posted to and when you get someone accepting a answer it's very easy to find out what it was that proved useful and extremely fast to see it as well.

Col

by av .

Hi Beth,

I actually never realized there were tabs so you can look at who is online and updates. I'm sure that they are useful to some people, but not to me. I sometimes look at the recommended tab and wonder why those things are recommended to me.

I really don't like the Avatar and my information prominently displayed when I go into TR. It doesn't bother me when I'm on my home computer, but if I bring up your site at work, I really don't want people there to see that information as they may search on some of my posts and see that I've been griping about them. :^0

AV

by justin james

It does not have enough in it to be really useful to me, to be honest, and with the tabs, it is more clicks to be useful than a "one shot" page. I really do not use the "Contacts Online" feature, "My Updates" were always where it was at for me, and since it is not the default, I do not use it. Most of the information in it (like my personal details about myself!) are not helpful.

If anything, I think it should be replaced by details of whoever wrote what you are reading!

J.Ja

by shellbot

I'm getting used to the Blue Box.
I do use the Contacts, i've used the updates a couple times, i don't really use the recamended.

If i had my way, i'd change the "Recamended" to "Discussions i am posting in"..as then its at my fingertips rather than clicking, then clicking again, and clicking yet again.

by turnier

...but maybe not too clearly -- wouldn't a "Posted To" tab be similar to the "My Forum Posts" link that currently shows up just above the avatar box?

by daveo2000

Would anybody be interested in having some sort of indicator in the message threads about who is on-line in the thread?

For instance, people who are on-line would have their links printed with the word "OnLine" next to their name just like you have "NEW" next to recently posted messages.

Would that work? Would anybody care? Would I get a raise for asking?

by charliespencer

I think the information displayed in the avatar box is controlled by the same widget that displays it under your posts. Remove the data from one and you remove it from the other. I'm sure some staffer will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm used to it.

Of course, that doesn't mean it can't be changed.

by Jay Garmon

The thread sig data is safe, and generally regarded as useful. It's the blue box that's up for debate, including both the user data and the little Recommends/Updates/Contacts widget underneath. We can kill the upper-right AVatar unit--or change it--and leave the thread sig unit untouched.

They pull from the same data source but are implemented with different code.

by charliespencer

Gods, there's so much I can do with that I don't even know where to begin. I think the best of the bunch is probably:

I posted a massive update to the porcelain server.

by deepsand

what was your old alias? One of our distaff members promised to keep me apprised of such changes, but I still didn't get the word.

by deepsand

Sadly, my ex got mine as part of the divorce settlement; it was either them or my good new days.

by tig2

Thought I passed along the update.

The senility is deeper than I thought...

by deepsand

There's another TR member, who's handle I don't recall, - owing to his being an asshole - now claiming to be from your old haunt. Quite frankly, he's given Hell a bad name.

In any case, welcome back; I hope life's better for you now, wherever you are.

by deepsand

since you've publicly 'fessed up, I must say that this "senility" excuse is wearing a bit thin.

I happen to know that you're well my junior, and your using my age related excuses before I do just won't do. Have you youngsters no respect for your elders anymore?

by maxwell edison

We can all fly like an eagle, and my avatar reminds me of that every time I log in to TR. I hope it might even remind others of the same thing.

For some, it defines their persona, for others, their mood (at the time), and for almost everyone who's been around a while, instant recognition of an old acquaintance.

I hope you keep it just the way it is. What's that old saying about fixing something if it ain't broke?

But you were probably talking about the blue box that we see, and the avatar would remain where it appears otherwise. Well, the same applies. It ain't broke.

by daveo2000

Except T2 is trying to use agility to pull the guile care from your hand! :)

Ok, I guess the real saying was "age and craftiness will beat youth and agility every time."

by tig2

After the hot flashes start, you can claim anything you like... as long as you're me.

You may be chronologically older but I am funcionally more senile! :D

by deepsand

Were it not for the demands of women, would so many men be taking drugs for the treatment of ED? I suspect not.

by deepsand

trying to find out what happened to you.

Owing to my exceedingly variable schedule, a crashed hard drive in my main machine, TR having changed the headers in their e-mails such that many are now dumped into my general inbox rather than the appropriate folders, etal., I'm still playing catch-up here at TR. I still have over 670 un-tended to TR e-mails!

I did, however, notice that I'd not seen any sign of you here for some time, and was just about to start a discussion inquiring if anyone had heard from you, knew if you were expected to return here, etc..

Your showing up now was a quite serendipitous.

Glad to see that you're still on the right side of the grass.

by ontheropes

Figuratively speaking, I had a totally unexpected kick in the head at an extremely low point in my life and to keep my formerly, somewhat tenuous grasp on the top side of the dirt in reality I had to take a break to sort things out.

It's suffice to say that a few folks seem to think that they gain something from kicking people when they're down. For a few fine folks its the "in" thing to do.

It's unfortunate in some ways but I've known for a long time that there's a lot of truth in the saying, "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

Onward and upward.
Yesterday's gone.
It's real good to see you too.

Now, for a rhetorical question, what are the chances of you playing nice with everybody?

by deepsand

"[i]Polite conversation is rarely either.[/i]" -- Fran Lebowitz

"[i]A true gentleman is one who is never unintentionally rude.[/i]" -- Oscar Wilde

by deepsand

BTW, are you trying to do the pink ribbon avatar switch here at TR this year? Owing to my volatile schedule - perhaps absence of any real schedule would be more appropriate - I missed participating last year. I don't recall when it was; but, my recollection is that it was in the next 2 months or so.

by deepsand

"[i]In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; in practice, there is.[/i]" -- Chuck Reid

In this case, I doubt that it's even theoretically possible, absent humans possessing a hive mind, not unlike that of the Borg as portrayed on Star Trek.

In practice, it is sometimes necessary, for the greater good, that bullies be publicly confronted and taken to task for their ill mannered behavior, lest they continue to bully others.

"[i]The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.[/i]"

On other matters, how is your health situation? At last report, you were still recovering from your accident.

And, assuming that you really did move to California, and without asking you to here reveal more than you care to, did you move to the south or the mountainous north?

by ontheropes

I look at the theoretical possibility as, "if I can do it, you can do it." The reality is, I can't do it either.

I may tilt at different windmills than others do but I still have my own sense of right and wrong that drives my actions, some of which I may regret later but who isn't subject to all of the faults us humans have?

I don't mind telling about the wrist.
A month ago I finally reached MMI, (Maximum Medical Improvement). If I try hard I've got 50 degrees total ROM (Range Of Motion) in flexion and extension. Normal is anywhere from 165 to 180+. I have about 10 deg. total ROM side to side.

Most of the time I have zero pain.

My grip strength is better than my Doctors.
I had an FCE, (Functional Capacity Exam) and I've been measured at 205#'s in a straight lift, arm hanging straight down, on that hand if I flex my knees and and pull hard.

My strength drops and pain rises fast with other motion. I can't put a stoopid 15 pound box on a shoulder high shelf with my right hand alone. She stopped at 60#'s with my left hand. Ran out of weight to fit in the box.

The upshot of the whole thing is that I'm restricted to light to medium duty for my dominant right hand. That kicked me out of the job classification I had when I smashed my wrist bones. To quote the MPT (Master Physical Therapist) directly, "I'd be afraid to have you on the road in a semi". My Doctor agreed with the results of the FCE.

Now if I can find even a "toilet cop" job that pays decent I am good to go.

About the rest? I'll just say this. If it ever became necessary I'd trust you with my exact location.

by deepsand

It also brings to mind the situation re. my best friend.

Approx. 10 yrs. ago he suffered severe eye damage owing to the accidental deployment of an air-bag in a rental car. Ford disavowed any responsibilty, claiming that there was no defect present, and that the deployment had to have been triggered by a real event of the type for which the air-bag was intended to protect against; this despite the fact that the incident occurred while parking the vehicle, with no other vehicles or other objects involved.

His lawyer eventually found out that there was indeed a known defect, one that Ford had managed to keep secret; still, Ford refused to make a settlement offer. His lawyer finally filed a civil suit against Ford. [b]But[/b], the suit was filed [b]1 day late[/b], i.e. after the statute of limitations had expired. While the lawyer claims that such was purely accidental, I'd sure like to see his financial records.

The injury resulted in re-occuring cataracts - they can be removed by laser, but always return - and a permanent inability to change the focal length of that eye; it's permanantly stuck at a far distance.

At near distances, the presence of 2 distinctly different images is so distracting that he must use a magnifying glass and his remaining good eye to read, a task that is both laborious and tiresome.

At sufficiently far distances, where the images from each eye are more nearly the same, he is, for the most part, able to function reasonably well, although his depth perception is unreliable. Needless to say, riding shotgun with him is an adventure; more than once I've had to grab the wheel to keep us from veering of the ride side of the road.

Through all of this, the only recompense that he's received is the medical care provided by his wife's health insurance. In this regard I hope that you've fared better than he.

While action at a distance is difficult, there are many who frequent TR whose experiences, skills, knowledge, etc. are collectively quite expansive, such that they may still be of help to you. And, I've no doubt that there are many who would help if they could; so, do not fear to ask.

In the mean, here are several possible occupations, suitable for being home based, that you might consider:

1) Moonshiner
2) Meth lab owner/operator
3) Gigolo
4) Porn actor
4) Hit man (assuming that the recoil's not a problem)

by deepsand

Just to clarify, when I said "help," I was referring to information, sources of information, contacts, advice, etc., that may aid you in your quest. TR's collective membership possesses a wealth of such, not unlike that of a library. Do not hesitate to tap into it anymore than you would any public library.

by ontheropes

TR is definitely a great resource for those who want to help themselves and learn. That's the best reason to come here in the first place.

Well, that and the uncluttered and intuitive new look.

by deepsand

And, though you failed to get prior permission to use my likeness as your avatar, no foregiveness is required, as I am flattered.

Enjoy.

by ontheropes

When I read your reply I was using this as an avatar.
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Your comment may still be accurate though.

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