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[i][b]Republicans spent $1,946 at topless club

Published - Mar 29 2010 09:06PM EST

By CHARLES BABINGTON - Associated Press Writer[/b]

WASHINGTON -- The Republican National Committee spent $1,946 last month at a sex-themed Hollywood club that features topless dancers and bondage outfits. Now the GOP wants its money back.

RNC spokesman Doug Heye said Monday the committee doesn't know the details of how the money was spent, all who may have attended or the nature of the outing, except to say it was an unauthorized event and that the expenditure was inappropriate.

The RNC will be reimbursed by Erik Brown of Orange, Calif., the donor-vendor who billed the committee for the club visit, Heye said.

Brown did not respond to an e-mail and phone message seeking comment. The transaction was first reported by the Daily Caller.

Since November, the RNC has paid Brown's company, Dynamic Marketing Inc., about $19,000 for printing and direct-mail services, campaign spending reports show. He has contributed several thousand dollars to the party.

The most recent financial disclosure report said the RNC spent more than $17,000 for private planes in February and nearly $13,000 for car services. Heye said such services are used only when needed.

The $1,946 for meals at Voyeur West Hollywood was the most eye-catching item in the monthly report. RNC Chairman Michael Steele, whose spending decisions have angered some donors in this midterm election year, had nothing to do with the nightclub expenditure, Heye said.

The conservative group Concerned Women for America said the RNC should disclose more about the episode.

"Did they really agree to reimburse nearly $2,000 for a bondage-themed night club?" group president Penny Nance asked in a statement. "Why would a staffer believe that this is acceptable, and has this kind of thing been approved in the past?"

Much of the most lavish spending by the major political parties is associated with fundraisers, which often target wealthy people.

The RNC spent $144,549 for rooms at the Four Seasons Resort in Jackson Hole, Wyo., in 2009. On March 19, 2009, it spent $31,980 for catering by the Breakers Palm Beach in Florida.

The RNC paid $18,361 over the past several months to the "Tiny Jewel Box" in Washington for "office supplies," which may have included trinkets or gifts for big donors. It spent $13,622 at Dylan's Candy Bar in New York City.

Some Republican officials and donors have complained about Steele's spending decisions, saying the party should devote every available dollar to trying to win House and Senate races this fall. He held this year's four-day winter meeting at a beachfront hotel in Hawaii, although it often takes place in Washington.

Some donors grumbled when Steele spent more than $18,000 to redecorate his office. Steele, a former Maryland lieutenant governor, also has received substantial fees for making speeches, even though the RNC pays him a full-time salary.

Steele's supporters say he has brought a refreshing frankness and energy to the party's leadership.

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Associated Press writer Sharon Theimer contributed to this report.[/i]

Frankly, none of the politicians seem trustworthy anymore...whether they occupy an elected office or not.

But, can you really trust Republicans more than Democrats to do what is right?

$18,000 to redecorate an office? $31,000+ for catering?

I think not. There's the proof.

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by nicknielsen

It was their money and not ours.

But if they're going to spend their money that way, I don't want them having access to ours.

by jck

Do you think someone like Marion (Pat) Robertson, who donates/brings in a lot of the Republican party agrees with that?

I have been a Republican since the day I registered to vote, but because I know idiots who run the political parties take the donations given them and get loopy and misuse them...I tend not to give them a red cent.

Also, don't political parties get monies from the FEC for their "general campaign funds"?

by nicknielsen

How they spend it is between them and their donors. As I understand it, the FEC money has to go for campaign expenses and is pretty strongly firewalled.

All the story got from me was "Yep, them's politicians."

etu

by boxfiddler

Particularly in light of the $400,000.00 the Clinton's spent decorating the White House.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-960903.html

Pols are pols. They don't have a clue about life in the 'budget tightly to scrap for existence' lane.

etu
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etu again, afterthought

Corruption isn't a Dem/Rep issue. It's a human issue.

by jck

But, The White House is a public holding. Plus, I tend to think due to the security matters and requirements to rebuild things in the White House, expense would be increased.

Like Nancy Reagan said:

"This house belongs to all Americans, and I want it to be something of which they can be proud."

Of course, Nancy Reagan spent almost $1M of taxpayer money buying china for the White House at the same time her husband was cutting back on government spending.

Oops!

Plus, Michael Steele's Office is not what I would think people have in mind contributing toward when they donate money to the RNC.

You're right tho. Corruption knows no bounds. It's everywhere.

by notsochiguy

...are the dead ones on the bills in your wallet!

Steele is an idiot. Worse, he is a hypocrite.

Of course, that makes him just one indistinguishable piece of 'pie' on the cow farm known as Washington.

Only differences between Reps and Dems are who they're trying to rip off and deceive for votes.

by jck

That's another thing that makes me laugh.

Republicans always talk about how Democrats are catering to the "minority vote" by going into inner city, urban, mostly black neighborhoods and doing things for them.

Ironic thing is:

Republicans are doing the same exact thing for the Hispanic vote in the southern states where Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and Cubans are a large voting populous. And, they are even starting to do this in southern states like GA, AL, and SC with the black voting populous.

Gotta love it.

I guess if you can't beat em, copy em. :^0

by nicknielsen

Only differences between Reps and Dems are how they're trying to rip us off and deceive us for votes.

by locolobo

I came to that conclusion myself.

At first I wanted to vote against ALL incumbents to remove all of them, But the people running against the incumbents are almost always politicians themselves.

by jck

Yes...and no.

Tax dollars? Well, you'd be bastardizing all of America's tax dollars to some extent.

But, it's even worse that some old grandma in Illinois who doesn't like Obama, attends mass every Sunday, and gave to the Republican party because of their religious affiliations...has been misled to think they are chaste and good and that none of them would do as they did.

Power corrupts.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Nancy Pelosi is the biggest example of that since Newt Gingrich and Tom Foley.

And I agree with you 100%. Throw all the bums out.

Put some working class people in there who might not know squat about law, but know what it's like to earn a living.

At least you'd get part of them who'd tell bribery-laden special interests to take their money and shove it up their arse...cause they're not gonna sell out their families and neighbors for some money.

by jamesrl

If you throw the bums out and fail to change the system that attracted them in the first place, you will just end up with different bums.

Change the whole funding process. Don't make winning a congressional seat like winning the lottery. Restrict the influence of large organizations/PACs by reducing their ability to fund candidates. Write tough conflict laws and create a mechanism to enforce them.

All politicians are human. But try to filter out some of the greedy ones.

James

by jdclyde

tax dollars are taken by force/threat/intimidation.

A big difference.

Pelosi had enough on her plate before she was crowned queen. The big champion of the unions, yet she was part owner of a non-union hotel? practice what you preach?

by jck

is that they should do the most for everyone, not just go after votes.

I think people should be voted for based on what they do for America, not a special interest, political affiliation, religion, gender, race, sexual orientation, physical status, hair color, or whatever.

Doing right for America is doing right for America.

Killing off who programs, departments, or even the whole government is just as bad as screwing it all up to get what you want in place.

That's why I'm voting against all but 1 politician I have in my area.

The majority of them are slackers and go along party lines or with their special interests who fund them.

Time to cut off the bloodsuckers.

by jck

I think that no non-political organization that accepts donations or handles conglomerate wealth (investment funds, public corporations, etc.) should be allowed to give.

And even then, the political organizations should have heavy restrictions. Such as a $50 limit on individual donors, and a requirement to get written acknowledgment from said donor of their approval for open political use.

That would stop a lot of the practice of using dead or disabled peoples' names to donate.

Personally, I'd like to see them be kept from campaign advertising. Want to get your word out? Make more stops, start campaigning earlier, and quit being so lazy.

by jamesrl

I've seen some official residences be pretty shabby and embarassing, its hard to judge renovation numbers.

And how the RNC spends its money, well, that something the RNC donors and membership should be particularly focussed on.

If $31000 in catering was for a fundraiser that raised half a million, its money well spent. If it was for a bunch of old boys to sit around and pretend to discuss policy or strategy, then its a waste. Spending it at a strip club or similar would be pretty poor judgement but not a crime. It should be a crime to spend public $$ on such things though.

I hear local politicians in our current municipal elections crow about their support for a freeze in their wages, and I don't disagree with the principle, and I think its good to set an example. But when I hear some blowhard try and tell a crowd that it will save the city big bucks that they can plow into programs, well I consider that to be pandering and mathematically challenged. Saving a 1% raise on 30 city councillors pay won't keep one city pool open for a year, or even pay for one lifeguard. Not cutting the number of councillors (and their office staff) in half, now there is an idea.....

James

by nicknielsen

Q: What candidates can you donate to?
A: Who can you vote for?

"If you can't vote for them, you can't donate to them" campaign finance rules don't interfere with any voter's free speech. Extending this to "if you can't vote, you have no right to speech in the political arena" takes the corporate money right the h3ll out of the picture.

Result? local races would be locally funded. There would be more money in the statewide and federal campaigns, but it would be limited to individual contributions.

There will, of course, be unintended consequences, the most likely of which I see is an exponential increase in issue advertising. Full attribution applies here: you run the ad, you tell us who you are and why you are for or against the issue in question.

by santeewelding

I have recommended your name to The Council (the one in search of a tsar).

Additionally, with respect to the right of voting itself, that, if you take (federal) money or emolument of any kind or sort, you surrender the right so long as you take it.

I [i]can[/i] imagine the consequences -- like, squealing, as in a stuck pig.

by av .

I'm technically a Republican, but both parties have lost my trust long ago. Michael Steele should be fired. His four day winter meeting at a beachfront hotel in Hawaii when the economy is in the pits says that he doesn't get it.

Its not time to go on vacation, its time to tighten your belt. What an a**hole.

AV

by jck

Dean might have been a nut, but he didn't spend like Steele.

While you're firing Steele, can we fire a few more people?

Pelosi
Reed
Graham
Frank
Ben Nelson
etc etc

Please?

Ugh. I just want to move to a tropical island with about 30 lbs of various seeds, grow my own food, catch my own water in catches, go spear fishing, and forget about civilization.

There's irony for you: civilization. :^0

by santeewelding

Do you mean you are on the take?

Or, are you saying you don't want anything to do with it, and don't want it all over you, being as we all swim in the community pool, you climbing out?

I would recuse myself. I have begun taking Social Security. I am advised by that agency that, for all I have co-contributed, in about two years I will have withdrawn it all. After that, I play with house money -- screw the hindmost.

Had I -- and, I do -- the privilege to vote on what I get, do you think I would vote for less?

______

Correction: for the last 35 years, self-employed, I pay it all.

by nicknielsen

Been receiving government money since I was born. My father was active-duty Air Force. When he was killed, the family started receiving VA and SS survivor benefits. I upgraded to VA subsistence when I started college, changed to a full-on paycheck when I enlisted, and now receive a retirement check.

I, and others like me, will use Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" justification to fight such a recusal, but we would likely have it shoved down our throats by pissant punks who have left their home towns only to attend football games.

by ron k.

I appreciate your bringing that to my attention.
I'm 53 years old and can count on one hand the number of people I trust. None of them are in government.

by jck

To be honest, I don't absolutely trust my mother. You will tell her something is not to be told, but she is such a gossiper that she will tell things.

Like my phone number getting to my sister...didn't want it to happen...that's why it's unlisted and unpublished.

Yet about every 6 months to 1 year, I get a voicemail from her.

Guess I will change numbers when I move.

But yeah, I don't even trust my local congresswoman 100%. But, I trust her a lot more than I trust any of the other jokers who are in office and represent me.

by maxwell edison

.... turn around and trust those same people to manage or otherwise control their lives.

You trust government, or you don't; you give them power over you, or you don't; it's about as simple as that.

At least I'm consistent with my [i]don't[/i].

by jamesrl

And all humans make mistakes, and all humans fall to temptation on occasion.

Thats just as true of the people who make up churches and businesses as it is of government.

Now some institutions learn and grow, and put processes into place to avoid problems. But no system is perfect. Governments, based on size alone, may have more issues than smaller institutions, I think thats a fair statement.

I trust politicians more than I trust the scientists who claimed that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, and I'm sure I could site other examples (Bishops who hide sex abusers...etc) But I trust some politicians more than others.

I trust some branches of government more than others. Our military isn't perfect, neither is our police institutions, but I trust them more than say the people in the revenue department.

Max, I don't have a problem with where I am, its a reasoned balanced approach. I have problems with people who believe in simple absolutism.

James

by jck

Point #1)

Since when was Michael Steele elected to run anything government? The most he's been is a backup governor.

Point #2)

I must trust it as a whole, or not?

Am I not allowed to agree or disagree with a piece of legislation in part or in whole?

Am I not allowed to like or dislike congresspersons, governors, presidents, cabinet members based on their individual merits and characteristics??

Can we not allow government to oversee the function of industry and set parameters and tolerances and guidelines, but not to control each of its functions?

Here...let me try to think as black and white as you, Max...

(*puts on best William Shatner impersonation*)

Must...think...like...Max...

NOOOOOOO!!!

(/William Shatner impersonation)

Point #3)
You have been consistent with don'ts?

Well, how about we just address your "not"s in general?

In the past wee, you made a point to state that you would make it a practice *not* to address me anymore...apparently because I was *not* smart enough or *not* worthy of your attention or too mean... something to that effect.

So I support you in that endeavor. Don't respond to me. Don't address me. Don't reply to me.

See...you might be consistent in [i][b][u]saying[/u][/b][/i] you would *not* or do *not*.

But, you (just like a politician...maybe we found your true calling...) aren't very good at keeping your stated intentions.

So prove your tenacity and ethic.

Don't anymore. I [b]*don't*[/b] think you can do it.

Can you prove me wrong? :p

P.S.- Proof, since you tend to ask for it.

https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=327627&messageID=3267805&tag=content;leftCol

And I quote Max (just in case he changes it):

[i]"[b]By the way, jck[/b]
You've proven that you're nothing but a fool and and idiot - and a mean-spirited one at that.

I'm through with you. You're not worthy of my time or attention. Not only will I not reply to your messages, but I won't read them either. "[/i]

- Maxwell Edison, 3/26/2010

by jck

They have to report all donated monies and expenses to the FEC too and how it was spent.

That's how this got noticed. They have to account for why, where, when, and who it was spent.

woohoo

by jck

Your state allows a write-in vote.

One year for commission in my county, I wrote in my co-worker.

He said he'd consolidate the 20+ departments into 8, and eliminate about $1.4M in the process of salaries paid to overpaid directors and management.

He said he could fix more roads and afford more teachers with about $1M of that money.

Of course, then he said he'd re-invest about $250k of that for free sodas and bottled water for employees. That was pretty cool too.

He was a big pepsi drinker. :^0

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