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Apparently despite what Microsoft like to tell us there are a few as yet un patched problems with their new beaut Firewall which was one of the much vaunted features of SP2.

http://habaneronetworks.com/viewArticle.php?ID=144

As I was spending the entire day at a MS Security Partners Meeting yesterday I was constantly hearing just how good the Firewall was from the MS people and just how important it was to the "Trusted Computing" that is so heavily sold by MS.

Col ]:)

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by hal 9000

When I posted the original I got the Page you are looking for is unavailable and unlike all previous postings when I've got this page nothing was added to the site but this time it just had to be different.

Col ]:)

by jaqui

only things all reasonable people trust microsoft for is to be a screwup.
to breach security.
to destroy hardware.

no way would they trust them for any decent quality products.

by jdclyde

We have our share of M$ zombies here that worship daily at the alter of bill.

It doesn't matter what is released about exploits or shortcomings, because they have the hook set good and are about to get pulled into the boat.

It always amazes me that they won't even LOOK at another option.

by tomsal

I think those MS Zombies you speak of are breeding and spreading across the land, as we have some of those very folks here too. "MS is god, MS is the way, MS is the light, all pray to mighty Bill".

What amazes me, aside from what you said, is also how folks trust MS so blindly they don't even take other precautions.

Some as simple as locking down your firewall's known ports of vulnerability, or even just READING up a little on security before sharing every stinking folder and file on your network to everyone who merely asks for it.

"No Microsoft firwall will protect us"...

"No Microsoft says....."

;)

by stress junkie

I had another brilliant insight when I read your comment. I think I've figured out why nontechnical managers prefer Microsnot software. I think it boils down to familiarity. Almost everybody has a computer at home. Most of these computers are running M$ Windows. So, I think that these nontechnical managers are simply choosing the product with which they are familiar. They can do simple things with their computers at home and they want to carry that 'devil I know' familiarity into work. When someone talks about a non-M$ platform the nontechnical managers balk because they have no idea how these other things work. If their company used some flavor of Unix/Linux on the servers these managers know that they wouldn't have any idea about assessing suggestions from the IT staff. If they had Unix/Linux on their desktop machines they know that they wouldn't know how to set the TCP/IP subnet mask to all zeros just to see what happens.

So I think that these nontechnical managers dismiss the idea of a non-M$ platform because they want to believe that they can understand IT issues and requirements. They think they know M$ because they have it at home.

Or I could be wrong.

by jaqui

that was the reason for using windows in he first place, the familiarity for office staff with it.

now it's just a case of being afraid to change to something better.

by hal 9000

Really most people think that MS is responsible for computers and after they sought of brought out Windows 95 well they where just the ones to follow. After all how many computers are there around without some form of an MS Windows OS on them?

What has gone wrong in this case is that the person is running in Admin mode but then again I would think that just about every home user does exactly the same thing and after being told by MS that the firewall will protect them they just blindly follow.

Actually the more I think on it just what is it that makes MS Office so great I have the current version of Office and the latest Corel Word Perfect Office package and I use the Corel version because it is just plain better in every application and they have now made it totally compatible with MS offering so I can send out a Presentation, WP document or Spread Sheet and no one is any the wiser they just think it came from MS Office.

Just what is it that makes MS so dominate now they never used to be and they certainly do not have the best products available but for some idiot reason they have the lions share of the market and at present seem unstoppable. God I hope that they do not bring out their own Unix can you imagine it a MS Unix :(

Col ]:)

by bfilmfan

Excuse me while I lurch past chasing those lovely Fortune 1000 client provided dollars doing my rendition of the Romero Pittsburgh Zombie Shuffle. Would everyone feel better if I made some "Urgh...brains...brains" commentary as I did so?

I have heard around the office that the reason I am so good with Microsoft is that I know the secret chants of power which force knowledge into your brain. As I consider you all my peers, I will now teach it to all of you.

Now remember, you will not learn this secret at any Microsoft boot camp. This lesson is far too powerful for most minds.

When you need the secret Microsoft knowledge to flow into your brain, then loudly chant the following lines:

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Bill Gates Redmond wgah'nagl fhtan! Ia! Ia! Bill Gates fhtagn! Bill Gates Redmond fhtagn!""

Repeat these phrases as often as needed. They really work well at meetings with important members of your client's management teams.

Have a great weekend everyone!

by advancedgeek

ROFL...i am also a m? zombie...if you love it, it will love you...if you need help pronouncing

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Bill Gates Redmond wgah'nagl fhtan! Ia! Ia! Bill Gates fhtagn! Bill Gates Redmond fhtagn"

the holy microsoft chant...just copy it and paste it into your Microsoft Sam snap-in (speech in control panel) and preview the voice...in my many years of practicing, i found it helps to slow it down a few notches. >:)

p.s. also remember to chant this at your next performance review...that'll impress em!!!

*thank god it's friday.

by bfilmfan

I had not considered doing that before. Wait to the Monday morning status report meeting! Oh am I ever gonna have some fun!

by oz_media

Inbreeding in Redmond. Anyone compared the people moving INTO Redmond with the increase in the local population yet?

Redmond, Redkneck, same thing isn't it? Warshingtun, where Lord Gates hangs his hat.

Now where's my BIG RED 'N' !?

by bfilmfan

When that heavily tatooed and leather chap wearing lesbian couple (and yes they live in redmond!) opens the can of whoop a$$ on you for calling them "redneck," we expect to read about it in the Friday Yuk. I can see it now....

This is the Friday Yuk from Traction....

Or.....

Things not say to women on Harleys....

by oz_media

I was reading a post somewhere jere just yeaterday where someone was justifying XP upgrades. He/She said that it only poor or cheap people that don't upgrade and that THIS is what is killing the US economy. People SHOULD upgrade and support new releases as they are brought out as this is how such companies provide such good software and people using old versions are too cheap and poor thus they should not get support for old versions. (obviously someone who has never been responsible for a departmental budget!)

After I finally stopped laughing I read on to realize 'it' was actually quite serious. I guess Billy has his minions force feeding users everywhere, how else would such crap become so popular? :D

It's like lining up to buy rejects at a latrine.

by jaqui

it's called NT

winders nt family is microshot's version of unix.
so nt, 2k, and xp are what unix looks like with microshot control.

by hal 9000

Unix gone bad what a horrible thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(

No wait a minute none of those are scalable enough to be a proper Unix so there is some hope yet! ;)

Col ]:)

by stress junkie

Windows NT was Microsnot's attempt to copy Digital Equipment Corp's VMS.

VMS ~ WNT just as HAL ~ IBM.

You can read a lot into that but the proof of the assertion is that Microsnot hired the original chief engineer for VMS V1.0. His name was ? Cutler or Cutter; probably Cutler. I believe that he didn't have a lot to do with the continuing development of VMS which was probably good for VMS. In any case Microsnot hired him to work on the original version of Windows NT. Not that WNT was anything like VMS. It wasn't/isn't.

Cutler was known for a favorite saying which was immortalized on the walls of the DEC facility housing the VMS development team. That saying was "A thing that's not worth doing is not worth doing well." Obviously the man was a philosophical giant on par with Kant and Spinoza in addition to his software engineering skills.

Microsnot did have a real Unix. They called it M$ Xenix. It ran on Tandy Model 16 computers back in 1987. I know because my employer at the time had a couple of Tandy Model 16s running M$ Xenix.

by willcomp

Poor ol' Billy, really takes a lot of heat.

However, in all fairness, the SP2 firewall isn't all that bad and is certainly far better that what most home users had previously (none, because they didn't enable SP1 firewall for network connections).

Those of us who know better, do better. Zone Alarm for me. Install free version for most of my customers with broadband connections.

So the average user is better off. What's so bad about that?

Dalton

by stress junkie

M$ only gets the beating that they deserve. First let's look at your own post.

You said "... the SP2 firewall isn't all that bad and is certainly far better that what most home users had previously ...". The firewall isn't all that bad, which is NOT to say that it's good. It's like saying that solid crap is better than liquid crap. Guess what?! It's still crap! Did you read the article from the original post ( I just got this today from HAL9000 )?

You said "Those of us who know better, do better." Well that's certainly true. Those of us who really know everything don't use M$ at all and do better than anyone that does use M$.

You said "Zone Alarm for me." I agree that Zone Alarm is good, if you know what you're doing. What is the average person going to do when Zone Alarm asks if xyz.exe can access the Internet? They'll probably click on the 'Allow' button, so their new virus can now access the Internet. Yay! The default settings for all of the firewalls for M$ that I've used are too permissive. I've spent hours clamping down on Norton Firewall, McAfee Firewall, Zone Alarm, and others.

Now on to new business. M$ is crap by design. Here are a couple of examples.

First example: I've spent a lot of time trying to tighten security in M$ operating systems. In one experiment I saw that the network services that were turned on included the RPC service. RPC stands for remote procedure call. It is a regular TCP/IP service available with many TCP/IP stacks. The purpose of RPC is to allow a remote machine to run software on your local machine. Generally you do not want this to be available. So I turned the RPC service off. HAH!!! Suddenly I was unable to drag-and-drop-copy and drag-and-drop-move files using Windows Explorer. So I tried to turn the RPC service back on. Couldn't do it. I finally had to use a rescue procedure to make the system work properly again, with RPC enabled! So the geniuses at M$ have created the OS to use the network service that allows remote users to run software on your machine in order to do things that are entirely local, such as copying and moving files using Windows Explorer. If you don't see anything wrong with that then you are in the wrong business. It's an obvious security hole.

Next example: I was installing M$ OS on my home computer that is connected to the Internet via a cable modem. Just as the installation was finishing I got a Windows Messenger box pop up. Somone on the Internet had used Windows Messenger to access my machine within minutes of installing the operating system. Naturally there is a work around, which I did. I unplugged the Internet connection and reinstalled the OS from scratch, including formatting the partitions. The fact that there is a work around does not change the fact that it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

I included these examples because I haven't seen anyone explicitly mention them in TR before now. There are multitudes of problems with the design of M$ software. The OSes and the applications have all got vulnerabilities deliberately designed into them. Things like MS Office macros were created when some brainless software designer decided that it would be nice if users could do this or that and didn't consider, or didn't care, that the feature could be exploited by malicous people. You'll probably say that there are work arounds for most or all of these things. Usually the work around means turning the 'feature' off. That's not the point. The point is that these security holes should have never been implemented in the first place.

So if you get tired of seeing people bashing M$ try to remember that it is only because BG and M$ deserve everything that is said about them.

by hal 9000

MS constantly telling you to disable Active X on IE and then when you come to do a Windows/Office update what do you need to turn on? Active X you have got it in one. ;)

So on the one hand they are telling you just how dangerous this is and then employing it so their own servers can provide the necessary downloads. You just have to laugh or you would go totally mad! :D

Col ]:)

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