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by systemcheck
by seanferd
much of the MS EULA is not legal in most jurisdictions. I have heard that in some US states you can not lawfully transfer the software licence from one machine to another, but in most it is lawful to do so. Check your state laws, and all you may need to do is delete the XP from the old machines and install it on the new machines. One problem with this is if you buy Dell or HP systems, you may have some problems with drivers for some of hardware they put in their systems that come from unusual suppliers. But if you buy systems put together in a shop from basic industry standard components, you shouldn't have any troubles.
Here in Australia the consumer laws allow me to transfer the licence to any machine I want, it also allows me to sell the licence to another person - the only thing I MUST do is to delete the copy off the original system before I transfer it.
by nole92
by oz_media
Any patches for exploits are already addresses by updating.
According to ZDNet and Tom's Hardware Guide; There will be very minor tweak changes and upgrades such as support for USB 3.0.
A business considering a Win7 rollout probably would be ready to do so until SP1 is released anyway because of the time it takes to test and implement such a change.
by gbuseman
by oz_media
there are a lot of considerations to take into account before switching any company to any OS.
Many companies find Vista just find, many others chose not to use it.
Many companies find XP just fine, many others couldn't wait for something better.
It is a case by case study that needs to be addressed by individual organizations.
Does every company have a business case that will see benefit from moving to WIn7? No, of course not, there's no such magical OS available.
Is Win7 a good choice for business? In most cases. Is it ready for most businesses? In most cases. MS offers more in Win7 than it ever did in XP, Win7 is just as secure if not moreso than XP (which was initially the most unstable and esily exploited OS of all).
will it work with all your proprietary software or legacy software? That's the job of the IT department to test and figure out in house.
by oz_media
With respect to the US expecting other nations to adhere to their own laws, I feel that I have a valid point.
We have seen it too many times, what about when they pushed Canadian Police to raid the Seed Bank and arrest Emery to await extradition? Absolutely NO basis for that excpept to exploit a cross border crime cooperative which was put in place in order to catch people fleeing either of our countries to safe haven in the other; it was supposed to catch child molesters, assist in child porn operations and the like. the criminals that blacken out society, not to enforce a political difference between two nations.
Then they (the US government, which cowtows to the Hollywood bigwigs) put the hammer down on SWEDEN of all places and tried to get Swedish legislators to place order an onto their police force, which they can not do and refused to do. The US then threatened to impose a block on trade with Sweden if they didn't comply with US copyright laws! We won't buy any more of your stuff if you don't comply!
It was using an econmic threat to support Hollywood lobbyists!
No wonder the world has so little respect for the US. When people complain about you playing world police,they aren't JUST referring to Iraq, they are referring to actions such as this that the US quietly tries to impart on other nations all the time. "We have money (nothing else) and we will stop buying your stuff if you don't do what we say!"
My views towards the US government pale in contrast to those who honestly see the US as a terorist nation.
Seriously, Santee, how do you think Americans would react to the same being imparted on them by other nations?
How would you feel if Canada started pushing yoru government to push your police into action in order to enforce Canadian law?
I don't think too many Americans would like that at all, in fact it would start riots and or a war right away.
But somehow when it is coming from the US, it is expected of others to comply.
Yeah, it's a bit of a sore spot for citizens and governments of other nations but NOTHING compared to the fervor that would arise from the US if the tables were turned.
Can you POSSIBLY disagree and say Americans would comply to the UK pushing British Rule that went against the US Constitution? It's not just enforcing laws even, it's pushing government to then pressure city and state police into action.
I think I was being quite polite actually, considering the reverse.
EDIT: I do apologize to teh original poster, System Check, for bringing political issues up, however it was initially in context before detail of my intentions was needed.
by oz_media
American corporations try to copyright their products and intellectual property. Which isn't applicable in most other countries, whether music, movies, OS licences etc.
They even try to bully other nations into compliance.
The US legislature even tried to threaten imposing trade sanctions on European countries who would not use Parliment to control police action.
It's too typical, "we don't allow it so you better not allow it either!"
It's as if they expect every country to change laws, over govern and restrict the freedoms of their citizens, just because the US does to American citizens.
If they want a global market, that's fine. If they want to control a global market in the process, they are going to be quickly dismissed as they are not the world police, well...only in their own minds anyway.
by oh smeg
M$ is still selling XP granted only the Pro Version in both OEM and Volume License forms but then again XP Pro is the only thing that Business would want so it's no big deal.
If you are considering Consumer Class products then most of those will come by default with 7 Installed that's what M$ wants to happen but with Business Class Products or Special Orders you can get what you want as a Loaded OS. Currently it's not an issue.
As for if it's worth switching that all depends on what your 7 Testing has told you about the Stability and Suitability of 7 to your business. There are pro's and cons for every option and here it all depends on what the companies are prepared to accept as to what they use.
Some are switching to 7 and some remain on XP and like what they are using. However from what I have seen many of those adopting 7 where already using Vista so there isn't much difference involved where as those using XP will tend to wait for some improvements to be made to 7 before they consider adopting it or till at least their next Upgrade happens.
Then it's not so much what they can get loaded but the other components of the Networks that they are running. For example you don't replace a 45K Copier come Network printer just so that you can use a max 2K computer loaded with 7.
You replace old hardware with what is acceptable to the business at the time that the stuff is replaced and to be quite honest it getting close to that time of the cycle where a lot of companies are looking at replacing the bulk of their current LAN's.
Col
by oz_media
by oz_media
Something lke tat is really company dependant, not OS dependant.
As you noted, there is a bit of a learning curce. For other readers I think its important to note that the learning curve would be more towards learning new features that increase proudtivity and getting USED to the new productivity features in the sense of shorter ways to do the same simple tasks.
It took me a bit to remember, 'Oh yeah, I can just do THAT now', instead of the additional steps it used to take...which are still available if you prefer doing things that way. The thing I like is that there are several ways to do the same thing, depending on how you are most comfortable.
A department rollout, if your organization can use multiple versions in concert, is a good idea. Firstly, it allows you to focus on a smaller group, secondly it allows you to work out any possible legacy software bugs without making it a sitewide issue.
Another benefit of course would be financial, in the sense of perhaps newer hardware, licence costs etc.
Either way, it does play very nicely with others and I don't think it's really the big deal that people expect from such a change.
I've done a couple of upgrades, I cerefully planned and thought it out, held my breath and went to it, seems I was more worked up about it than I needed to be. It's just like installing another app upgrade, you just throw it in and off they go.
So far NO complaints and nothing but benefits. I can't speak for everyone but it seems that all over the Net, everyone that has actually done it has found the same. Crossed fingers and cautiously moved forward only to find out it was no big deal at all and worked fantastic.
It is the way Windows should go, but has always been problematic in the past.
As I've said many times, I feel they have finally done it right this time and typical fears, due to issues in the past, just don't seem to arise now.
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