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by onbliss

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Okay, few confessions:
1)I have not being paying much attention to what is happening in the .Net world. Heard about .net 3.0 :-)
2) Have not been reading my MSDN magazine.
3) Free subscription to Visual Studio magazine just terminated :-)

Only I and Only I am to blame myself for not being up-to-date. Though I have recommended websites to .net newbies, here before, I would like some recommendations.

What are the websites and magazines that you frequent or read to keep yourself informed as far as .net programming goes? Where do you look for the latest take on architecture and design practices/patterns in the .net world? What do you read to see the future trend of .net?

A big thanks to you all.

ps: And by the way, I have been programming using vb.net/c# & asp.net for the last 3-4 years.

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by dawgit

Than I do on the over-all subject. I use .net, (key word = use) but don't program in it. As to what I do see (around me, here.) is .net 2.0 is really comming into bloom. Most of the compatability bugs are getting worked out and people are rather comfortable with it.
With .net 3.0 however, it's bringing a bit of the lothsum philophsy of doom. Too much too soon. Web 2.0, Vista, (including Office 2007) and on top of that- .net 3.0, one at time. Field one, get it right, then bring in another. It's either another brick in the wall of paridise, or another nail in the coffin. (depending on the perspective)
The main question is of course, if Vista (and Office 2007, they're tied together here) Tank due to the compatability, Security, and with Web 2.0, inherent compliance problems, Will .net 3.0 even be relevant? -d

by onbliss

..know more about the over-all subject? I can't be sure :-) There is always so many things to learn.

Are you suggesting that .Net 3.0 will cause .net to die?

by jmgarvin

.Net is one of the few things MS has done right in the past few years.

Sure .Net 1.1 was a little iffy, but 2.0 is pretty solid and usable....then MS goes and breaks the whole framework in Vista.

You have to wonder if one hand even knows what the other is doing.

by dawgit

and I also hope not. I tend to agree with 'jmgarvin' in that M$ stands likely to shoot themselves in the foot on this, (a good, worthy program) as well as other issues. Especially here in Europe. (No, I don't believe it's bye-bye M$, but maybe a get-well card should be sent.)
But then, M$, and to fair others as well, are going to use web 2.0 as an excuse to flack up the the whole picture.

by yangmichell

Does anyone know where I can find a programmer analyst in salinas? They need to have .NET VB Visual basic and hand code from scratch

by onbliss

...ignore the title...I was just being ...(fill up the blanks)... :-) :-)

I agree with your thoughts. I have been programming in 2.0 for a year now. Looks quite solid and usable (borrowing your words). Even 1.1 was not all that bad.

As I said in the original post, I have not been paying much attention to 3.0, so did MS really break it? Oh well they always got things right/better after version 3.0. Maybe they are already looking at Net 5.0 :-)

For now the bread and butter (plus strawberry jam) on our dinning table depends on .Net.

by dawgit

it seems all the p'nut butter is on everything Web2:0 and whatever will support that. Ajax is the big buzz word here, how and how-well .net fits in, is what most people are working for. Web3.0 is a big unknown, as is how Vista/Office 2007 is going to fit in anywhere. (They're bundled here) -d

by jmgarvin

The problem I've seen is that .Net 2.0 doesn't work in Vista. There are too many funky things going on under the hood and MS has effectively crippled one of their flagships.

I hope 3.0 keeps some backwards compatibility or they fix the JIT to work in different environments dynamically (eg knows it XP or Vista).

by techexec2

When you say ".Net 2.0 doesn't work in Vista", are you referring to UAC breaking applications? Or, is there a basic problem with the .NET 2.0 Framework on Vista? If so, what are the problems as you see them?

I'm generally familiar with .NET programming, but I've stayed out of doing any real work in it so far.

Thanks.

by dawgit

Since I haven't really been able to totaly tear apart a Vista OS (yet.!.) I can only relay what I've been told / heard. Vista comes with .net 3.0 (so I've been informed) and that is what the OS is looking at. Since we're dealing with M$ here, to un-install .net 3.0 and to try to install .net 2.0 you will get the "Can not install an earlier version" Warning. (Like trying to install XP Home version over a XP Pro. or Win2k over WinXP ?:| ) If that's not totaly correct, I hope someone points out the error of my thinking here. -d

edited because of big fingers again. -d

by onbliss

Just bumping this thread up into visibility :-)

I would appreciate to know how people keep up to-date on this subject.

by dawgit

Since we bumped into each other, How are you doing? :D
Seriously, I haven't heard much new on this subject. The only thing every-one keeps yap'n about is 'Vista' this, and 'Vista' that. The rest of the software programs out of Redmond have taken a back seat. I'm begining to wonder if maybe we should watch our backs.... ?:| I'm not alone on this either, it makes one wonder what is really going to hit us next. The whole .net issue is only a side show at the moment. IE7 is still way out there in terms of main stream anything, and there are still a lot of systems / organizations that do not recognize or support it. (in fact, even refuse to) With .net 3, it seems to be down the road somewhere. (maybe)
Of course, it all hinges on the Web 2.0 becomeing any kind of workable reality. -d

by onbliss

Thanks for asking :-) Hope you doing good too!

So what technical journals and websites do you use to keep up to speed as far as MS and .net go?

PS:
I thought TR has many .net developers, I wonder if any body wants to share their [b]secret[/b] of keeping up-to date :-)

by techexec2

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Until jmgarvin replies, this is what I found just now and would have expected. But, you never know! I'm surprised that Vista was released after all of this time with so many ISV and IHV problems. :-)

[b][i]"...There are no changes to the version of the .NET Framework 2.0 components included in the .NET Framework 3.0. This means that the millions of developers who use .NET today can use the skills they already have to start building .NET Framework 3.0 applications. It also means that applications that run on the .NET Framework 2.0 today will continue to run on the .NET Framework 3.0..."[/i][/b]

.NET Framework 3.0 Versioning and Deployment Q&A
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/winfx/aa663314.aspx

by onbliss

[i]"...There are no changes to the version of the .NET Framework 2.0 components included in the .NET Framework 3.0. This means that the millions of developers who use .NET today can use the skills they already have to start building .NET Framework 3.0 applications. It also means that applications that run on the .NET Framework 2.0 today will continue to run on the .NET Framework 3.0..."[/i]

That is a relief!

by dawgit

Well for me, I get a lot of my info from three main Magazines, ct Magazine (bi-weekly) and ix Magazine (Monthly) both from the Heise Co out of Hanover here in Germany. They are both over 200 pages (usually around 250 pages) with maybe 50 pages at the most in advertisements, and very few from M$. (enough however, for comic relief) These alone are each like text books, with all kinds of info, programs, tips, tutorials, and news of what's realy what in the real world of computers. Realy good stuff. They do have some info available in English, but it would be almost impossible to put it all in English. Sad that, as I just don't see this type or quality of Magazine in the US anymore. (They also have a real good security site, and an open sourse site too.) Another good publishment here is the Computer Woche, which comes out weekly, (duh, the name) it is a good trade Magazine with a lot of info on trends and happenings in the computer and programing world. Amazing actually, those three keep me pretty busy reading too. (I don't think that is a bad thing either) Of course there is always the internet, but a magazine is easier to carry on a train or U-Bahn. (most everyone is reading on those things anyway, so I just fit right in with the crowd) Of course there is always a book store. (my other favoriet place to hang out) -d
ct Magazine @
http://www.heise.de/ct/
(which also has some info available in English @
http://www.heise.de/ct/english/ )
ix Magazine @
http://www.heise.de/ix/
all from Heise @
http://www.heise.de/
and the Computer Woche (Computer Weekly) @
http://www.computerwoche.de/

by emanueol

1. I keep myself updated with some newsletters.

2. When developing and needing quick help on some investigation then my first go is 'Google' :)
3. And 99% of the time I don't use the VS internal help.. since microsoft helps are really crap, lot's of bla la bla.. and few real samples.. well big companies become big employers, so lot's of 'writers' love to show some work i guess..

Cheers ~

:: devx.com, builder.com, internet.com, codeproject.com, simple-talk.com, ..

by n3bu1a

In trying to keep with the original posting of the thread, I try to keep up with some big Microsoft posts (Mary Jo Foley on CNET) which provides ideas on the general direction of what Microsoft is thinking. Other than that, I feel it's important to keep your finger on the blogosphere because that's where you can find out the most about implementing decent design patterns and other neat little implementation tricks.

by dawgit

Don't you have a magazine in the States called ".NET Magazine"? Over here it's even available in the gas stations. Just wondering. -d

by salinaspaul2872

I frequent these sites as much as I can"

Code Magazine
http://www.code-magazine.com

Queue Magazine
http://www.acmqueue.org

.NET Rocks!
http://www.dotnetrocks.com

Programmers Heaven
http://www.programmersheaven.com

DevX
http://www.devx.com

Dr. Dobb's Portal / Journal
http://www.ddj.com

The CodeGuru Forums
http://www.codeguru.com/forum/index.php?

The Code Project
http://www.codeproject.com

Developer.com
http://developer.com

.net 101
http://www.dotnet101.com

... And I'm always looking for more... hope this helps ya out...

- salinaspaul

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