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My office is in charge of setting up a LAN in a 3 story Court House that is 100yrs old. The floors are about 12" thick concrete, and the wall jacks have to be run in a surface channel.
We were told by one company that wireless would be theway to go. I have not had any of experience with wireless networking and would like to have more info than this company's advise.
Any experiences or site links would be great.
Thanks,
JRWild

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by chiperdean

Cisco and Compaq both are breaking out the cards and switches. I have installed and used the Cisco 10Mb wireless card and switch. It seems to work well within 150 to 200 yards. You could try the following link for reading material. I have seen the link go offline and the clients computer hang for a few minutes util the client moved to a better range.

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/779/smbiz/netsolutions/find/wireless.shtml

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/witc/ao340ap/prodlit/airo_ov.htm

Shane

by sbworks

Sounds exactly like the situation that the wireless folks are pushing - retrofits. The thick floors will require some on-site experimenting. If you can find a supplier who can use you as advertising, or if your order is big enough, they will come out with some trial.

I would assume that you will be effectively "zoned" per floor as the signal strength isn't enough to push through that much concrete. That means you'll only have to punch holes and run cable between floors.

I've only put up a home wireless LAN. It was a complete dunk - 30 minutes to set up - and has worked smooth since, but there's no real comparison.

by ayden

I have been using the cisco aironet access points mixing both pc cards from aironet and wavelan I am very satisfied with both. The building to building solution I use the aironet bridges and have been satisfied. You should be able to get an intergrator to come out and do a site survey some charge others don't but I believe all will be starting to soon because of the popularity of wireless lans

by nate!

We've been using the Cisco 340 Bridges for a year now and I personally think they are great for a quick connectivity solution. There is really only one thing that has baffled and frustrated me. How does one achieve ultimate Line-Of-Site accuracy?Right now I've been doing it with just the human eye. I get pretty good connections (<5% retries unicast @ 11Mbs), but would like a more accurate automated (test equipment) to pinpoint LOS. Does anyone have a suggestion for this?

by driordan

One of our schools was built in 1901 (well, part of it was). We have old, thick walls and floors. Wireless networking people keep telling me that I have the right case for wireless, but they are wrong. Here's why.

I bought some Lucent gear anddid some testing. Reception in the same room was fine. But leaving the room dropped me from 11 Mbps to 5.5 Mbps. I could go maybe 100 ft. down the hall and stay at 5.5 Mbps. In the next room, I stayed at 5.5 Mbps. However, if I went to any roomother than the one right next door, I got no signal.

Let's say I could live with 5.5 Mbps (which is going to give me maybe 3 Mbps throughput). I'd still have to have an access point in every other room. So now I'm looking at paying $500 for an AP in every other room (OK, $250 if I went AirPort). And for every computer, $150 for a NIC, plus $40 for the PCI adapter if I'm putting it in a desktop. And that's getting me less bandwidth than I would with a 10 Mbps hub. And I'm still running awire to every other room to connect the APs to each other. And I have no upgrade path.

by driordan

Instead, run one wire to each room at about $120 per run, then put a switch in there, and connect any computers in that room to the switch. Now I'm running at 100 Mbps switched. Bandwidth a problem? Run two wires to each room, trunk them, and that room can connect to your backbone at 200 Mbps. Got more money? Run a fiber to each room and go 1 Gbps to the backbone.

One vendor suggested I put APs along the hallway and wirelessly bridge them together. That works nicely for my connection to home (I'm only 300 ft. from the school), but if I put 8 APs in a hallway, then 8 of the 14 possible channels are gone to make my "backbone." So I've got to hope that the signals degrade enough that the 6 other channels is enough. And if the signals leak through the floor.... And if you read the literature, Cisco and Lucent recommend keeping multiple channels as far apart as possible, so using all 14 channels is going to degrade performance anyway.

And now I have an 11 Mbps (6 Mbps effective throughput) shared backbone with no upgrade possibility.

Suddenly, all the surface raceways don't look so ugly. You'll have some anyway, to link the APs, so just make it a little bigger and run more wire.

by driordan

In my experience, wireless is useful in several niches (great for a cheap connection between buildings, inside a warehouse, if your users are constantly using their computer all over the building, etc.). But if what you have is a few desktops in each room, wireless is going to be expensive, and you'll throw everything out in two years because someone will ask for video or voice, and your infrastructure won't handle it. Cat5 cable will last you for years, and fiber is forever. You just swap out the switches when the price gets attractive.

Oh, and since the 2.4 GHz spectrum is unlicensed, any manufacturer can create a device transmitting in that range. Bluetooth devices, for instance, use the 2.4 GHz range, and from what I've read, a single Bluetooth device will drop 802.11b throughput by 75% in whatever room it enters. One person with a Bluetooth PDA becomes a rolling data blackout.

And then there's security. I wouldn't want my divorce proceeding sent over an 802.11b; the encryption isn't that good.

I use wireless. I love wireless. But it's not the solution for most situations.

If you're still thinking about it, buy one access point and one NIC, fire up the access point, and walk around the building with the NIC in a laptop (both Lucent and Cisco cards come with software that shows you signal strength).

by paul

You can overcome the channel problem by using an antenna. If you buy the right AP, then you should have upgrade capability for bluetooth or 802.11g. While cable last for years, it means your students are fastened to their desks. The way of thefuture will be to issue laptops to students as they enroll. They can roam from class to class without having re-log into each machine.

I used to wire school districts and the biggest problem is not getting access into the classroom, but getting access to the desktop computer. Laptops and wireless access solve the high/low voltage wire to the desktop issue.

I would get a qualified contractor in the facility to do a site survey.

by mrpatrick

If you are in a structure that does not lend to easy cabling, or you don't own the building, then wireless can make a big difference. Most especially if you decide you may move someday. With wireless, you can take your network with you.

Lucent has a high end wireless solution that we have installed in a historic building. considering our options for drilling holes was very limited and extremely costly as we would have to drill through thick walls. The Lucent option saved money and is verystable.

by nate!

We've been using the Cisco 340 Bridges for a year now and I personally think they are great for a quick connectivity solution. There is really only one thing that has baffled and frustrated me. How does one achieve ultimate Line-Of-Site accuracy? Right now I've been doing it with just the human eye. I get pretty good connections (<5% retries unicast @ 11Mbs), but would like a more accurate automated (test equipment) to pinpoint LOS. Does anyone have a suggestion for this?

by chrisms

I'm assuming that since the building is 100 years old, even minor construction work is out of the question, so you can't run cables through the floors between storeys, instead you would have to go through a window.
Since the walls are so thick, youwill lose signal strength very quickly, as previously mentioned. If you must cable between offices, trllowing heating pipes as there is normally sufficent room around these to run a cable.
The main problem with Wireless is that if any obstruction is placed between the transmitter and reciever, no matter what it is, the signal will be distorted or weakened, so all routers and switches need to be mounted under the ceiling, above head height. It really is a problem, resulting in many stresful hours, trying to install a wireless LAN and then convince the office staff they cannot change the office layout, for fear of blocking a router.
Stick with cables, I would.

by avatarlam

Hi Guys,

Just an added opinion here. Wireless LAN is just an added advantage over to current Wired LAN. It provides true mobility and ease of deployment. Mobility in the sense that you can move your notebooks and desktop anywhere without losing signal or disconnected from the LAN. Ease of deployment is easier than Wired LAN. Wiring three desktop or notebooks needs 3 CAT5 cable to run from one location to clients but for wireless it takes only one.
Changing of office layout will be easier with wireless lan than wired cos most of the time an Access Point is mount somewhere near the ceiling. Your desktop and notebook can shift easily without the need to shift or block your AP. True enough wireless will not be able to give the Bandwidth what Fast Ethernet and gigabit can but it is good enough or more than enough for high speed internet and email access. A good Site Survey is the key to successfully deploy wireless lan technology. There is very high chance that an upgrade to future wireless tech is possible as most AP is using modular structure - change of transceiver and firmware - you get a higher speed wireless LAN. Try thinking this way - is it easier to lay 5 wire to 5 desktop or a single wire to a AP than wirelessly to 5 desktop? Moreover if you are in FCC countries, the signal strength is better as FCC allow higher power rating cards, to booast the signal, you can get a better gain antenna like an Indoor Antenna sold by Lucent. Much better than those built-in antenna or integrated 2dbi antenna. Moreover, there are currently products from 3Com, Lucent or Cisco providing Power over ethernet technology so that you only need to lay a single Cat 5 cable to power up the AP and also data tranmission. I have been playing wireless for more than a year and thus knows that deployment is very important to the success of wireless LAN.

by kevinl802.11

If you mount the antenna as high as possible and use a low angle antenna low gain maybe 3db max antenna that is spreading the signal as horizontally as possible then moving the office around is not as much of an issue. Since you are going to be seeing little propogation through the walls do not fall for the suggestion that you need high gain omni directional antennas as they shoot their signal out the top of the antenna which means very little horizontal spread in the signal. The 2.4GHz range allows about 75' of low loss feed line from the AP to the antenna allowing for center of room antenna installation which will help with line of sight to the antenna from the devices.

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