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Ok, it makes my stomach turn even thinking about this but I have to ask. Does anybody else out there work for a company that wants everybody but
principals and administrative staff to have a common password? If so, may I
have a copy of your release form? I told them I would only do this if they
singed a form stating I could not be held responsible when something happens
to the systems. Does anybody have such a document.

Thanks and keep me in your thoughts
Sam

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by craig herberg

Sam,

Unless you can convince them that using common passwords is like everybody having the same bank account number, now is a good time to update your resume. When money disappears or confidential information gets inproperly disclosed, it will be ugly.

Good luck.

Craig Herberg

by oz_media

You company looking to do a header or face some lawsuits? Perhas they are looking to fire EVERYONE when the system is jeopardized or misused?

I know you aren't for this either but I have to laugh, sorry.

Try this one out:

As the management at this company has decided not to care about what people do with their computers any longer, I am hereby relieved of ANY repercussions brought on the company by misuse of computers for:
-Identity theft
-Customer losses
-Child pornigraphy sent through or downloaded to the company server
-ALL file sharing and software copyright infringement
-Installation of malicious code
-Sending private company data to other companies
-Hacking the company's banking information
-Public sharing of client data
-Physical damage to the company's hardware investment
-Email abuse or Spam that has the company's domain name and internet access revoked
-anything else possibly related in anyway to client use or abuse of company systems including; ALL staff members, Janitors, thieves & management (same thing), passers by who want access to company information and ANY outside hacks or breaches of the company network and customer information.

I further request that ALL of our company's clients are informed that their personal and credit data is NOT secured and is available to all staff within the organization, or anyone else for that matter. However our competitors are still prepared to secure their personal/company data for them.

Signed:

_______________________
Dumbass Manager

by david_heath

can you imaging the negotiation required when everyone's password expires and you all have to choose the SAME new one!!

by jaqui

to:
I will be contacting all company Clients as soon as this policy goes into effect to inform them that thier confidential data in not secured because of this policy.

ps, by enacting such a policy against my strongest recommendations you, the company, are giving me notice that I no longer work for you, full severance for wrongfull dismissal will be expected in next pay.

then make sure it's signed in triplicate, and forward a copy to the local labor board.

by apotheon

While I'm sure that all these "ha ha only serious" replies you're getting are amusing (I had a good laugh over the bit about severance pay), this unfortunately doesn't solve your problem. Then again, I'm not sure your problem has a solution.

I absolutely agree that it's time to update your resume. You might think about checking "no" in the "May we contact your employer?" box when applying at a new company in this case. In fact, you should start [b]aggressively[/b] seeking new employment opportunities at this time. You're moving into a no-win situation with this employer.

The reason you probably won't get any liability release forms for something like this is that nobody that knows anything useful about system security ever has the problem of needing such a liability release form. Such people have a tendency to just walk away from a job like that. Furthermore, I'm not sure that a liability release like the one for which you're asking would stand up in court under most circumstances. The only thing it's likely to do for you, in practical terms, is piss off your employer. What it's likely to do [b]to[/b] you, on the other hand, is provide proof positive in court that both you and your employer knew that what you were doing might lead to actionable problems, thus actually doing the opposite of what you'd like to happen with a liability release.

Get out. Get out now. Run, don't walk, to a new employer. You have my sympathies.

by chriso_1

If your employer won't budge on this, you should at the very least ensure that your password policy is tight and enforce it with an iron fist. You could also possibly try getting a copy of "The art of deception" and letting your maanagement know what a danger this is.

Do not be too proud of this technological terror you have constructed.

by jack

To demonstrate the benefits of outsourcing parts of IT to multiple companies, look at this. At my previous employer, it took 3 different companies to get your password reset.

The user at Co A called the Help Desk at Co. B, who called application support at Co A,
who reported to IT Security at Co. C,
who reported it to IT security to Co B,
who called the sysadmin at Co. B,
who reset the password.

It had to be done this way because each company was trying to follow 'Best Practices' and was inflexible about procedures. We in Co. A had no ability to bypass the procedures, and the powers that be in Co's B and C would not change their procedures.

The business had the password the same for all users because they couldn't deal with the lost productivity in waiting for passwords to be reset.

by craig herberg

Not only is this more convenient for the company, it is also easier for former employees to keep their access, since they still have passwords. One could make an argument that this entire process is unburdened by cogitation!

Craig Herberg

by husp1

Sounds like trouble for you! Get out fast! but before you go you should ask the man in charge if you should also post the password on the main page of your website so the other users won't forget it. Hope your new job is more security aware then this one is.

by banzilla

I want to thank you all for 1) confirming my thoughts and fears and 2)the attempts at comical releaf even though we all know this is not something to be taken lightly.

I have resolved to try and put inplace a strick password policy and computer use policy. It is my hope that the principals take into account the advice of you and many others like you.

Thanks again.

Sam

by craig herberg

Don't forget to include a way to terminate accounts when people leave the organization. I've heard stories of people keeping access for years after leaving. Don't let that be your shop!

Good luck.

Craig Herberg

by banzilla

Hell no, I disable accounts right away and delete them after I have had a chance to sit down at their machine and move their stuff to an archive.

But that is great advice. I had an account at a former employer that was left open several months with all of my privileges still intact.

Thanks

by senior program analyst

If everyone is required to use the same password then make it secure.
no less than 25 characters - no dictionary words embedded including proper names - made of of letters, numbers, and characters (mixed Case is always fun too) and force a new one Every Week so if it slips out its only good for a very short time.

by jaqui

the full 255 characters that any decent system supports.

make the bosses rethink this security nightmare and allow indivudual passwords.

by craig herberg

Frequently the problem is not knowing someone left, especially in large organizations. I have long advocated using login scripts that query Human Resources for active employee assignments -- no active job assignment, no login. Of course, this only make sense for fairly large organizations.

Craig Herberg

by jack

Most large companies also use ERP systems that have the capability of 'process flow'. The fact that somebody in HR marks an employee as terminated can automatically trigger a notification to a sysadmin to disable associated accounts.

The only problem with this is that the 'owner' of the HR system doesn't directly benefit from using the process flow feature, so it's never a priority implement that feature. It sits unused with most of the rest of the ERP system.

by craig herberg

It's interesting to hear that HR is not interested in automating ERP account termination (or notification to do so), as they are usually responsible for verifying that the termination process is complete, i.e., collect keys, parking pass, company ID, etc. Perhaps at the top of the food chain, they don't know, and at the other end of the food chain, don't care?

by senior program analyst

Yea 255 would work, but I was trying to be somewhat nice (having to remember/type 25 character passwords - watching caps and special characters which changes weekly should be enough to convince any sane person that only 1 password is a bit insane). But, on the otherhand I do like the 255 idea...

by deepsand

And, make sure that you assign a password that no one will remember, thereby ensuring that they will write in down on sticky notes, etc., and plaster it all over the place.

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