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The Labour party has now given ol' Kevvie the arse. They kicked him out and left Julia Gillard as Australia's first female Prime Minister of Australia. Yep, we are a little behind in having the women in Prime Minister Power.
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2010/06/24/2935632.htm?site=melbourne

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by nexs

It seems he's been passively neglecting a few issues. But he has done alot of great great things.
Julia will do a good job, I'm sure. She's been following Kevin for a while, so at least she's got some preparation. Rudd has often said she'll make an excellent Prime Minister.

Kevin's Press Conference has just concluded as he said farewell.

I think the Labour Government will be safe for a long while still. Having the hype of the first female Prime Minister on their side, and having a fresh face, and there will also be the votes OF (and it WILL happen in some cases) women, purely on the fact the Julia Gillard is female.

In the grand scheme of things, everything will be fine.

by jaqui

after all, as a woman at least she won't hurt the eyes as much when you have to watch her speak at a press conference.

and wouldn't you rather be a woman who f* you over than a male? ;)
[ since government always fs* you over nyways. :D ]

by nexs

Turn fierce. And tempers flare.
Mine does without provocation on a good day, and the more I hear politicians say irritating things (like repeating every sentence), the more I align myself with Col's regiment in the destruction of the politician race.

by santeewelding

"Hunting rifle".

Mine's an indiscrimnately killing rifle.

What's yours, if you have one, or, know what one is?

by hal 9000

You really need your eyes checked don't you?

Way too many Flash Burns or way to much Flux Smoke or most likely a combination of both have really adversely impacted on the way that your eyes work. :p

[i]edited to add[/i] Or do you just like Ginger's? :D

Col

by Member 25348569

She could have me. OK, so it's only Australia but, hey, it'll do.

Henry Kissinger once said that power is "the ultimate aphrodisiac."

:)

Although, thinking about it, I'm not sure that I could cope with attention from Hilary Clinton so maybe I just like gingers, too.

by maxwell edison

I can't comment on Australian domestic policies or politics.

Too bad (some of) the Australians around here don't share the same sentiment about American domestic policies and politics.

by maxwell edison

However, that has nothing to do with the scores of arguments I've had with Australians about American policies that have nothing to do with vaporization of the Australian continent.

by drowningnotwaving

1. To comment upon threads re American policy and happenstance, whether or not they directly affect ourselves; and

2. The opportunity to alert peers to individual hypocrisy and double-standard of certain US-based posters who choose to adopt certain hifalutin stances in such debate.

It's all in fun anyway.

by dogknees

Assuming the audience is American and making categorical statements when they are talking about the USA.

Classic example, "now everyone has access to high-speed broadband", ... It's not even true in the USA!

Automatic fail.

by hal 9000

I have only ever complained about American Policy when it directly adversely impacts me and mine. ;)

I have tried to keep Politicians Personalities out of it and I do not think that I have ever said anything along the lines that GWB was a rubbish President. But I did question some of his foreign Policies. When your current one gets too far out of line I'll do the same thing to him too. :D

Col

by delbertpgh

America is the one military superpower, the largest financial power, the principal democracy, the premier example of an evolving rich society, and the primary influence in the world on art, politics, and science. America's president is everybody's president, not because he has formal authority outside his borders, but because anything this country does will drag the rest of the modern world toward the same future. If you've been to Europe you'll have noticed that their news has about 500% of the coverage of U.S. politics and life that we have of Europe's. They've all got a right to bitch about our guy; they haven't got a vote.

by nexs

It was a big of a shock, but that's true. I never thought of it like that and it makes sense.

With all the ties the US have to other countries, there's no doubt that issues in the 'States' affect every other connected nation.

by jamesrl

I agree there are areas where the US president has a huge amount of impact on the rest of the world, and in these areas, the world has the right to be critical.

But I also agree that there are many areas where the President's decisions only impact the US, and in those areas, non-Americans should be reluctant to weigh in. After all the situation in the US is different than that of other countries, and the President has to govern within that framework and not in some other place.

James

by santeewelding

You dispute Chairman Mao about the muzzle of a gun? Worse, you dispute Nick about those who know annoyed with those who don't?

by nexs

I can't say I know much about US policies, but there are somethings I've heard of and disagree with.
Nothing to cause such a cage rattle over though.

by drowningnotwaving

Sorry I lied from the first day I was in power, perhaps significantly before that.

Sorry I promised the world and delivered shite.

Sorry I said Sorry to the Aboriginal population yet in 3 years in power did ZIP to change their circumstance.

Sorry I'm a snivelling little butt-squirt who consistently abused people who worked with me or for me no matter what their position or the circumstance.

Sorry I cost the tax-payers dearly by personally bneing in charge of a government department with continual, massive, personnel turnover.

Sorry I tried to foist a NEW TAX of BILLIONS of dollars that had never been raised or consulted prior to me thinking it a swell idea, only to have it back fire in the most splendid fashion possible (i.e. my sacking from the Job).

Sorry that, in my complete failure, I have now foisted on Australia a new Prime Minister who is an avowed hard-line Left Wing politician who a) was not voted in by the population; and b) up until now has had no reason nor compunction to discuss her own background and policies.

Keep on saying Sorry, Kev, 'cos your failure is complete but you can still contribute positively by enabling us to dance on your political grave a little longer - before the reality of having a hard-line Leftist PM comes home to roost.

by nexs

On a whole bunch of promised issues, you can't deny that he DID do alot for us.
Particularly, steering us from the recession (though the cost for that was quite substantial) and the changes for health systems.
The new tax that the mining companies are hoo-haring about is only to try and slowly pay back the debt from our recession avoidance. Though, personally, a choice to place an export profit tax would be more fair.. In my opinion, that is.

by drowningnotwaving

The proposed Tax on the mining industry is short-sighted.

The flow-on tax revenue from the investment plans in mining simply blow the potential increase in taxes out of the water. From a revenue perspective, the government was better off getting the investment and taxing the multiple cycles of cash (GST, PAYE and Company Profit (Payroll as well though that be a state tax)). What a massive windfall.

The fundamental basis of the tax, whilst tempting to those of the "they are too rich for me" opinion, is floored. Now the economy is booming and there fleetingly appears some basis for the tax. When things are less rosy, and we are genuinely competing against other countries on the planet for an unfair share of the mining investment dollar, such taxes are shown for the retrograde steps they are.

The "proposed" benefit of the tax (which as assuredly backfired as quickly as the tax itself) was a suggested plan to decrease company taxes for small business. As every small businessperson I spoke to, and including my own thoughts as one myself, paying less tax is good. But what's better is GETTING MORE SALES. Taking an action that is destined to reduce employment and reduce investment in this country is farking useless, no it's dangerous, for me as a small businessperson.

ANY government of any persuasion that introduces such a major, potentially MASSIVE policy without either community or industry consultation deserves the fate it will get.

Gotta say it has been a good job on the economy, but given the war chest provided entirely by the Libs, one may suggest that (in Labor's own words ...) a [i]drover's dog[/i] could have done as well.

His arrogance, including not recognising the historical failure of Ben Chifley in a parallel action, has been aptly rewarded.

by drowningnotwaving

... is, ironically, to reject all discussion of imposing the "Super Taxes" on the Mining industry.

Otherwise, the holes in her ship will keep on getting bigger. WA and Qld will vote en masse against the ALP. NSW, well, with the State Government's positive contribution, it's looking entirely possible that every single seat the ALP won in the last election, will be lost with a massive swing.

Unless she does this, they will lose the "unlosable" election.

Their only chance it to re-paint themselves (again) and look more right-wing than the right-wing party itself.

This is what these charlatans do, so we can't be surprised.

by hal 9000

[i]Their only chance it to re-paint themselves (again) and look more right-wing than the right-wing party itself[/i]

Pander to the Lowest Common Denominator Possible. They can get lessons to do this from the Liberals who have completely lost the plot by dumping all of the Previous Liberals PM's Policies to make some Poll look better in their eyes. Could be why the Old School Liberals are walking away and disowning their old party. ;)

Now bring on my new Olympic Sport Hunt and Mount a Politician a Day. There are special Bullets used which are made of plastic to not be visible on X Rays and the more harm you inflict on the Low Life's who pass off as Potential Leaders of Countries the more points you get.

Only species I'll be glad to see go extinct Politician's and anyone involved with them. ;)

Col

by mjwx

"Now bring on my new Olympic Sport Hunt and Mount a Politician a Day."

Shouldn't that really say, "hunt, shoot and mount a politician" as the other connotations are not too appealing since Natasha Stott Despoja left parliament.

by nexs

Ok, so we're talking visual likeness.

Watching her performance on the telly, I likened her to a pidgeon. The beak, and the bobbing head, amused me to no end.

by nexs

... If by 'everyone' they mean 'most people'.

And by 'high-speed broadband' they mean 'some kind of internet connection'.
But then, it could be entirely, 100% true if they were talking about something completely unrelated to internet connections at all. Say, maybe, broadband as in access to food.
I've seen more unbelievable things.

by drowningnotwaving

of course, being US politics, where often your local is our local too sometimes by accident, sometimes by your design.

But, as I have said before on TR, I fully recognise Australia's status as a rounding error in the scheme of things.

by nexs

"His arrogance ... , has been aptly rewarded."
Both true enough, and mildly amusing.

I agree entirely in that there should have at least been some discussion regarding the idea and implementation of the tax.
And Julia has done, probably, the right thing by 'opening the government's doors' to the mining companies.

by hal 9000

What is totally unacceptable is the way that the bulk of the Mining Industry is caring on about this as the Mad Monk likes to say [b]Great Big New Tax on Mining.[/b]

For way too long the Mining Magnates have been getting away with [b]Blue Murder[/b] and now that some small semblance is being tried to make them pay what any other business would pay they want to cry poor. Give me a break they all are over paid Multi Million $ Bonus Payments scampers who like crying Poor at every opportunity. Look at the actual mining towns that should have their streets paved in Gold and see what they actually are a Fly in Fly Out Slum with no prospects for any future after the Mines shut up shop and run away with all the money in their Hip Pockets.

The Mining Companies are Raping the landscape and paying Buggerall in the process. The cynical advertising campaign that they are currently running is another perfect example of them finding money that they don't have because they are so [b]Poor[/b] when they want to and to hell with everything but the most senior executives all of the remaining time. They are the parasites on the country and they are the ones who are only here because it suits their own ends. If they could get the same quality minerals elsewhere they wouldn't give a Rats A$$ about AU or for that matter any other place. Just ;look at what BHP did in Bougainvillea.

The entire mining industry would do the same thing here given the smallest chance and then want you to thank them afterwords.

The whiter than the driven snow mining executives are the lowest of the low with their only aim to do the best by the company hence several from Rio are in Jail in China for Treason, God Alone only knows how many of them have Priced Gouged the world for what they can get for what they mine and they all consider themselves above the LAW of any Country.

As things stand now if I was in Government I would be buying each mining companies who complain assets for $1.00 AU and letting them leave AU behind them to go where they can make better profits like the Congo. OH no we can't go there as we'll die in plane crashes so lets continue raping AU and then get some idiot politician to agree with us as we have him bought and paid for so he'll do our bidding. This entire argument is complete drivel and those who support it have never worked in the mining industry as this is nothing more than the same old same old the companies crying poor at every opportunity while constantly announcing Record Profits. No different to the banks either I should add. ;)

Col

by drowningnotwaving

[i]"no different to the banks"[/i]

Any other successful individual or industry you'd like to fark in the ass?

What about Masterchef and "Happy Feet"?

{I'd add Elle MacPherson but my question may encourage inappropriate personal behaviour.}

by hal 9000

Do you really want an answer?

Too afraid to use your name on any posts but very vocal. ;)

So explain how the Banks Justify their Profits, BHP Justify their action in Papa & New Guinea which has since been proved wrong, Rio Justify their Action in subverting the Chinese Government, Fortescue Justify their Lies to the Stock Exchange and finally Clive Justify his lies to the AU people by claiming projects that he has personally mothballed which didn't actually exist?

Would you like a more detailed list of some of the other players in the Mining Fiasco? I'm more than willing to give it to you and it's all factual. Not to mention impossible to argue with and remain living in the real world. But as most of the Heads of the Mining Industry do not live in this world you will probably be able to ignore the facts and just continue wearing your Rose Colored Glasses where there are never any problems introduced by these companies. :^0

Col

by nexs

But I think his goodbye speech did make some of the country sad (if not, then at least a little sorry) that he's out.
It'll all work out, I'm sure.

by hal 9000

That AU's first woman PM has proved that the females are just the same as the male Politician's.

Given the merest wif of power they grab on with their grubby little hands and will never let go. Time to start Exterminating them all if you ask me. Only species on this planet that needs to go extinct Politicians. ;)

Col

by drowningnotwaving

Gee whiz Col, next you'll be demanding open government!

I am sure that those issues you suggest are all real.

They simply have nothing to do with Tax.

by hal 9000

We recently had the Mining companies complaining that they couldn't afford this [b]Great Big New Tax on Mining[/b] and they where taken at their word which leaves a lot to be desired. They are not Whiter than White and they most certainly are getting away with Blue Murder.

Perhaps this new tax came because Henry listened to Redgums song years ago. The one about them discovering that AU is made of Yellow Cake so each and every citizen would be paid 1 Million $ for their share and leave a big hole in the ground where AU used to be. The result is that all of the citizens would move to Bali eat Magic Mushies and watch the sun set. OH BTW it's called Nuclear Cop but I seen to remember that John Schumann Introduction was the interesting bit just like all of their songs. ;)

http://www.free-lyrics.org/Redgum/227712-Nuclear-Cop.html

Sounds much fairer than what is currently happening as well I might add. :^0

Col

by jaqui

you cannot destroy the politicians, unless you ALSO destroy the bureaucrats!

it's a 2fer you know
both have to go or things won't improve.

by nexs

You have to download it from the iPhone black market app shop.
Called "Skynet."
Oops.

by hal 9000

I did say exterminate all Politicians and their Supporters. That not only included Bureaucrats but their entire families as well. ;)

After all we can not have more nasty politician's pop up just when we have finished exterminating the last one can we? :^0

Col

by av .

I know nothing about Australian politics, but I think its wonderful that a woman has been elected. I'm biased, of course, but very happy that the time has finally come for equal opportunity in political office in your country.

I hope it is a positive change for you.

AV

by nexs

But we're only a good few years behind.
I know that New Zealand has had a female prime minister for a while. In fact, there's been multitudes of female prime ministers all across the commonwealth, so we're finally there!

by hal 9000

Provided that you inflict as much pain as possible to make them suffer just like that make us suffer all the better. ;)

Col

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