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Since the last post is now over 400 responses and becoming too difficult to read through, I thought I'd start a new one but with a twist.

I'm curious...I'd like to see what beliefs those who support Windows are like and what beliefs those who support Linux are like.

This may get ugly, but could be fun :) Share your political beliefs, social beliefs, financial beliefs, etc. I'm curious.

I don't want to connect dots that weren't meant to be connected, but I have a theory that I'd like to test.

Tell me about your beliefs: conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Commy, sex before marriage, drugs, war in Iraq, war on terror, Vietnam, money, divorce, abortion, income level, experience, personality...anything that may be insightful and may (or may not) reveal patterns here.

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by rkuhn040172

I'm serious...don't laugh.

I think this could get interesting and actually build a greater understanding of who TR members really are.

And don't we all need a break from technology ever now and then?

Time to vent...

by jmgarvin

Independent (Libertarian sorta): Fiscally Conservative, moderate liberal with social programs, keep the government out of my bedroom, bathroom, car, and body, smaller government and less partisan hacks. Oh, and kill the professional politician. My political views fall here: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/quiz.php

If you want to take the quiz:
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

Sex before marriage - sure

Drugs - legalize some, but not all. Social programs to support and educate

War in Iraq - a waste of time and money. Sure a despot is out of power, but what have we really gained?

War on Terror - has to be done, however we don't know how to do it. Terror (historically) doesn't work, however it is a somewhat long term problem.

War in Vietnam - meh...waste of time and money, but long term maybe it wasn't a bad idea (we'll see)

Money - please

Divorce - 50% + is the going rate. Why no allow homosexual marriage if it is apparent that hetrosexual marriage is failing the majority of the time?

Abortion - not my body, so I can't decide for you. I personally think it is wrong, but I can't dictate that to others.

Income Level - Dead center middle class

Experience - lots and none all at the same time ;-) Work as a GI, tech grunt, sys admin, contractor, and currently a teacher.

Personality - none...I have the personality of a turnip. I tend to make tuber sounds and eat dirt.

by stress junkie

You forgot to put in your preference of OS, which we know is Unix/Linux, just like myself. Otherwise most of your self description also sounds like a description of me.

diff you me
< Vietnam: maybe it wasn't a bad idea
> Vietnam: tragic mistake based on Eisenhower's domino theory of communist/USSR expansion

< Divorce: it is apparent that hetrosexual marriage is failing the majority of the time
> Divorce: high divorce rate may be the result of repeat offenders so it is possible that more than 50% of individuals may stay married for life

Remember there are liars, there are damned liars, and then there are statisticians. (Mark Twain)

Some additional information about myself:

Born again atheist. (Reformed Roman Catholic)

I advocate minimalist government in general but I believe in some social programs to help people in need.

I hate seeing social policy implemented in the personal tax code. I believe in a flat tax with a high standard deduction. The standard deduction should be about $20,000 for people who are self supporting, then have absolutely no tax deductions. THAT would be fair. (Having a tax deduction for your mortgage is actually a tax break for the "rich". There are a lot of people who cannot afford to purchase a home even with the mortgage tax break. That means that people who cannot afford to purchase a home are subsidizing people who can afford to purchase a home. That's not fair.)

I favor legalizing marijuana and hashish but I believe in keeping the pharmaceutical drugs controlled as they are now.

I believe in maintaining a strong military. I believe in peace through strength. I believe in dismantling our nuclear weapons. We really don't need them. Our conventional weapons are sufficiently effective for us to face a beligerent regime that DOES have nuclear weapons. I'll admit that our nuclear weapons are a really big hammer that we could use to save American lives in a war but we won't use them because they are politically unacceptable and would just lead to escalating an international problem. So we may as well just dismantle them.

Addendum 26 July: Strong environmental advocate. Strong animal rights advocate. == s.j.

That's about it.

by rkuhn040172

I really don't want to turn this into a debate as much as learn who my fellow TR members are.

However, the comments about mortgages I think is way off mark. Alot of the other comments are personal opinions that I cannot argue against since they are just that, personal opinions.

In theory, I actually agree. However, I would argue that with the exception of certain markets where homes are outrageously expensive like New York or California, typically those that cannot afford a home probably aren't paying much in taxes anyways.

Lower income folks typically pay little to no income tax. Sure, they pay sales taxes and such, but you cannot subsidarize others when you aren't paying to begin with.

Take myself as an example. With a one income household, in the $60, 2 kids, and a home, I pay very little in income taxes. I'm not subsidizing anyone.

by jmgarvin

Vietnam might not have been a bad idea in the long run because it seems Vietnam is taking what was learned in the war and applying it to the growth of the country. Now, the loss of life was NOT worth this, but to see a country grow out of the ashes is.

Good point on the divorce rate. I never thought of it that way.

Amen on the flat tax. However, I think $25k should be the cut off (~$12.00/hour). Why? Well, those are usually the slightly educated that are just starting out.

I also believe raising the minimum wage solves nothing and actually causes problems and job loss. The living wage argument is garbage. It is simple math. If raise the minimum wage to a "living wage" you will destroy mom and pop and cause corporations to hire LESS people, thus hurting the community more.

Warning Simplification in progress:
Look at it this way. If I am paying my employees $1/day and I make $10/day revenue. That means for me to make a 10% profit, I can hire 9 people. However, if I raise it to a "living wage" of $3/day. I can now only hire 3 people. So 6 people are out of work.

by stress junkie

You have inadvertently made my point for me. When you say that you make about $60 I have to believe that you mean that you make somewhere in the $60,000 dollar a year range. Yet you appear to be placing yourself in the group that I consider to be poor; the group that I said should not be subsidizing the rich. I would say that you are one of the rich people that are being subsidized by the truly poor.

My idea about taxation was formed in the late 1980s when I was making six dollars an hour and trying to pay off student college loans and other debt that was accrued as a result of attending college. I was living with four other men in order to share the rent and utilities because I could not afford to rent an apartment on my own. When you are making single digit wages per hour you consider many people to be rich. At that point anyone who could afford to purchase a house was rich to me. At the same time I was paying a large percentage of my income to taxes. I was single with no children. I had absolutely no tax breaks available to me. It made no sense to me that I should have been paying about 20% of my income to taxes (state and federal combined) and that I had no deductions available to me while people who could afford to purchase a house and have a family had a lot of tax breaks.

Although I have become rich by my own definition I still believe that the poor pay a disproportionate amount of their income to taxes while the rich are given tax breaks. That is unfair to my way of thinking. The best solution that I can think of is to have a very large standard deduction so that people making less than $10/hour pay no taxes. This only applies to people who are self supporting. Then making income taxes flat across the board with no deductions is fair because everyone making more than $20,000 pays the same percentage of the amount above that level. Actually, as someone makes more and more money the $20,000 becomes a lesser percentage of the total income, so a flat tax as I have proposed it would mean that people making a lot more money than the $20,000 would pay a larger percentage of their total income than someone who only made a little bit more than the $20,0000 standard deduction. So it effectively becomes a graduated income tax.

So when you use yourself as an example of someone who doesn't subsidize anyone I say you have exactly the kind of situation about which I am complaining. You shouldn't have any tax deductions because you are rich. You may not think that you are rich but by comparison with people making minimum wage you certainly are rich.

But, as you say, let's not debate this.

HA HA

LSMFT

by jdclyde

Politically, A concervative. Used to concider myself a Republican, not think of myself as more of an Independant. (I think I am still registered as a Republican though)

Social programs, should be there for short term emergancy care of people that have just hit the bottom. Give them a place to live, something to eat and training so they can rejoin the work force. Put limits to the lenght of time someone can be on assistance. do NOT increase assistance if people decide to breed while on assistance.

Government, their job is to remove obsticals from my path so I can go out and be successful. It is not their job to give me medical, pay my bills and teach my kids about sex. Just make me a nice road and shut up.

A strong believer in people earning their keep. Someone is on support, the work programs are great to getting people going again. Exemptions for new mothers. Babies need to have a parent there for the first few years, not be dumped off at daycare. (for those of you that do daycare, that is your choice, and while it is good for your bank account I don't think it is good for your child. Think about the child FIRST and do without the fancy house and third car for a while. Remember, this is my opinion so it is correct as far as I care.)

Sex, I think about all the "just wait" programs but thinking back the sex while I was 17 to 22 was the best in my life! And after getting married it all went down hill. That is something I want to advocate? As for my boys, the big thing is disease and pregnacey. Either of those will make your life much harder. That is why there are so many "poor" people, they start families they can't afford. All goes back to the sex, huh? I know what I am talking about because dispite precautions by twins were conceived while using birth control pills, as the wife and I were both poor students. It took much longer to get to where I am now because of this.

Drugs, it depends. If you are recieving a check from the government for anything in the welfare sector, there should be manditory testing to get that check. You have NO right to sit around doing drugs if your not out earning the money to pay for your own care. That money is to raise your kids you scumbag so buy them some food and cloths!

If you drive anything that has passengers, no drugs with regular testing.

Pot, yes and no. While it doesn't make people violent like other drugs, it doesn't exactly make you motivated. Lots of sitting around afterwards eating doritos.

Most other "controlled" substances it is hit and miss. Crack, to distructive what it does to your life.

War in Iraq, this has too many things to just say good or bad. Regardless of contention of the WHY, the results have been good for the people that live there. We are not getting resistance from the IRAQIE citizens, but the crazy nutcases from the neighboring countries that don't want a free society in their country and so want to make sure there isn't a sucessful free society around for people to want to imitate.

Vietnam, if we could have kept the politicians from running the war. Anyone who supports "limited warfare" is an idiot and should be the one to be shot instead of the 18 year old soldier that is thrown in that situation. It was all politics.

Money, I like money, just never see quite enough of it for some reason.

Divorce, it sucks. going through one right now (as one or two of you may have noticed from my discussion). It isn't nearly as bad as the horror stories other members when through, but it has been a drama and very trying at times. October can't come fast enought to get it final!

Abortion. Should be available. Should not be as routine as it is. Should not be just another form of birthcontrol and is disgraceful the way people have used it like that. The parents should always know for a minor. If you can't give the minor an asprin, how can you give them an abortion? Anyone getting an abotion should have to watch a moving explaining what an abotion is, show one, and then talk to people that had one ten years earlier and the emotional effect it has had on them.

Personality, kink of a dry humo(u)r. A "little" sarcasitic, and very opinionated. Not always the most delicate person with other people, as I don't believe in candy coating a problem. Got a problem with that? Tough! ;\

Not sure if this will add or take away from your pattern, but you get what you ask for. I assume you will post near the end if you found your patteren or not?

by tony hopkinson

description of supporters of open source as commies is it ?
Tee Hee

Well I'm a socialist who believes in minimising government and in de-centralisation in terms of services.

The only thing I'm predjudiced against is bigots and of any stripe.

Financially, I feel that if you can't afford education, health, shelter and food then anything you are 'entitled' to is a joke, except sex

Drugs should be legalised across the board, all dangerous ones should be free at the point of use. Gets rid of all the crooks and all the idiots who can't control themselves. Put all the money we are spending playing nanny to better use.

Prisons should be shut, anyone who's so dangerous to the public that they have to be locked away should be shot. All the money we spend on that could be better used as well.

Minorities that are useful to the human race such as those of us who wish to colonise Mars should be assisted as far as humanly possible.

Any terrorist who wishes to make a statement about their beliefs by dying should be allowed to, alone of course.

Last but not least any politician of any stripe who feels they can advance their country's interest by fighting should be allowed to do so, personally. No missile weapons of any description will be allowed, that way our leaders will be real men instead of pencil necks hiding behind a human shield made up of OUR families.

And yes I am one of those b'stard open source maniacs, whi does n't think windows is teh best thing since sliced bread.

by jdclyde

Don't hold it in. Let your feelings out. You will feel much better if you just get that load off your chest! :^O

by djameson

wait... Believing in socialism and small government are Mutually exclusive, you can't believe that the government should take care of you, provide you food, shelter, healthcare and only tax you 40% to pay for everyone elses support and believe that there is any chance of small goverment. Capitalizm should rule the world, What I earn is mine what you earn is your. Help others because you want to, not because the goverment forces 22.4% out of your paycheck.

by tony hopkinson

A socialist goverment should only intrude enough on my autonomy to stop me intruding on someone elses.

Any miminalist government has to be socialist otherwise it will end up in the hands of a priveleged minority, become undemocratic and eventually be overthrown by the unhappy majority.

British old labour socialism and to a lesser extent new labour was driven by the need to redress existing imbalances in society, such as the poor weren't allowed to vote, have an education or health care. As such it was an overreaction. Unfortunately in their desire to maximise the distance between them an their opponents they fell in to the trap of big government which is the path to disaster no matter what your underlying dogma.

If you grew up in western society over the last 60 years or so, you've benefitted massively from socialist policy, so you can keep what's yours whenever you like, all you've got to do is pay the rest of us back before you opt out.
If you are only paying the lower rate of tax you can't even start to afford doing that. It's not called social debt for nothing you know.

by tony hopkinson

Paying a 10 people a 1$ a day I can make $1000 profit.
Why sould I pay more, in fact I think I'll outsource them and make $1049 profit, after all it's less risky than 'employing' illegal immigrants, some times you can fined $100 for that you know.
The argument that increased minimum wage reduces jobs only works if you are operating on the premise that employers are keeping on excess people out of the goodness of their hearts and if you believe that I've a half share in my martian condo on offer.

I don't think it helps with the poverty trap either but I'll take it in preference to that other vote catcher of increasing welfare anyday.

by jmgarvin

In one way or another raising minimum wage to a point that is beyond what the economy can handle (and that is what a living wage is) it will cause job loss in one way (just not hiring) or another (outsourcing).

by tony hopkinson

Cut welfare without creating meaningful jobs and you don't get voted in for your next term.

If you can get more money on welfare than you can from being employed, you ecomomy will got to rat shit, and you won't get voted in next term.

Increase taxes and whether you increase welfare or not, you economy will got to rat shit and you won't get voted in next term.

Minimum wage is political expediency.

Consequence of democracy, as a politician particularly in a two party environment, you have to please the majority, got nothing to do with being sound sensible or even right.

by jaqui

kill em all and let the gods sort em out.

that's my attitude.

for narcotics:
legalise them, tax them, use the income from that for rehab.
( as in Amsterdam where they are legal. )

social programs:
central governement control of medical coverage, education, and social assistance.
but, the social assistance is only given when the recipient is either attending retraining or a job search program. 8 hours a day five days a week.
they have to prove they are looking to get off, not just say they are.

vietnam: why go to war over tin? use the tixic metal aluminum ( as we are ) instead.
yes, aluminum is toxic when ingested, leaving a tomato ( acidic ) sauce simmering in an aluminum pan can leach toxins into the sauce.
vietnam was not over political issues, it was over the huge tin mines.

since deficit budjeting is wrong for governement it's wrong for people in thier personal lives.

prisons ( since they were mentioned earlier )
if you are going to put someone in prison instead of just killing them, they get the bare minimum to stay alive, and stay in thier cell. thier family has to pay for more food, light bulbs and electricity, a change of clothes, guards to watch during exercise time. if the family won't pay, locked up in dark cell, only cold water to wash with and only the minimum food needed to sustain life, no exercise, no doctor, nothing.

while I do agree with a strong governement, I beleive it should be only for making sure those who are constructive members of society can survive, and hope to improve themselves, as well as to make sure that business doesn't destroy the environment.

and yup, I'm one of them there open sourcers, not one of them pinko commie commercial os proponents. ;)

by jdclyde

I would put you in charge of all of my prisions and Tony in charge of exectutions!

Now THAT would take a bite out of crime! ;\

Ok, you would also govern the territory of NEW Anserdam too.

Kind of like one big activites director! :^O

by jaqui

that would be no fun.

I'ld want to be able to do the executions also.
make the families foot the bill for it.

hmm.. a not "party" person in charge of the activities... that could be a problem. ;)

by jdclyde

If you raise minimum wage to a "living wage" because someone thinks they should be able to support their family by working at McDonalds then you actually hurt MIDDLE class people who have actually done something to further themselves.

If you pay the fry maker at McDonalds more, the costs of doing business have just gone up. McD will just increase the price of aledged goods to keep the same profit ratio.

Now mr fry maker is making more money, but everything COSTS more so besides the "feel good" because they make more money, they are no further ahead than before the raise.

Now that the alledged goods cost more, the middle class people that work for a living and do NOT have a wage based on the minimum wage do not get a raise, but their cost of living has gone up anyways.

All raising the minimum wage does it so lower middle class down a class. Look at what is concidered to be middle class now compaired to 20 years ago.

If people want to make more than minimum wage, get a skill and stop making frys.

by dc guy

I'm a libertarian in both philosophy and party membership.

People must be allowed to do anything they want so long as they do no DIRECT harm to others. Indirect harm is always debatable and is best resolved in civil court with injunction always a possible solution.

Government exists only to do those things which the people, individually or collectively, want done but cannot do for themselves. These days that's a shrinking list. Mail, transportation, health care, these days even justice--government is no better at these things than we are.

Welfare--Americans were the most charitable people on earth until confiscatory tax rates destroyed their discretionary income. Private charities such as the Salvation Army do a better job of supporting the poor and getting them back to work, while weeding out the cheats, than public assistance. If every dollar the government collects for welfare were actually given to the poor, the average poor family would suddenly have an income of $40K.

Education--Some children SHOULD be left behind. Let their parents deal with them. The Archdiocese of New York educates a student body 50% of the size of the NY public schools, with only 10% of the number of administrative staff.

The Nanny State--We learned from Prohibition that laws against drug use end up causing more violence, crime, grief, and damage to the fabric of society, than drugs themselves. Caffeine, alcohol, and tobacco cause more health, economic, and social problems than all illegal drugs combined. Prescription drugs kill more people than illicit drugs by two orders of magnitude.

Economy--Adam Smith's free market was supposed to be made up of producers and consumers of more or less equal stature. He'd turn over in his grave at the concept of corporations with the money and power of small nations doing business with individuals. The "holding company," which allows a 25-year-old MBA to direct the fate of a subsidiary in which he effectively owns less than one percent of the stock and doesn't even know what it does, would make Adam Smith throw up. Corporations are the new aristocracy, created by governments to deflect our attention away from their own misdeeds, and largely immune from anyone's control or punishment. The post-industrial era will ultimately not require the huge concentrations of capital that industrialization did, and with luck we'll see the corporation become an anachronism.

Taxes--institute a hiring freeze in all levels of government. When an employee leaves, retires, or dies, the position cannot be refilled except by transfer. When the government work force, budget, and abuse of power is reduced to its levels of merely twenty years ago, then we'll talk. Government has become the employer of last resort for people to make a living by "administering" each other. Government programs like the tax code, welfare rules, contracting, zoning, subsidies, asset forfeiture have become exercises for teaching people how to cheat their way through complicated systems.

The Constitution--A really good idea, it should be enforced. All three branches of government are guilty of criminal malpractice by the way they spit on it every day.

The environment--Increased prosperity is reducing the birth rate everywhere, which is the key to saving the planet. The other key is wrestling political power away from the energy companies, whose influence keeps us "going to work" every day even though we all have computers and telephones in our homes. Once telecommuting becomes commonplace energy consumption, pollution, and urban sprawl will dwindle. We'll also get to know our own children.

Defense--A good idea and probably one of the few legitimate duties of government. But meddling in the affairs of a sovereign nation is not "defense," whether by providing it with arms or by sending troops to overthrow it. Such meddling invariably results in one of those countries shooting back at us or its citizens becoming suicide bombers. American citizens are free to meddle in other nations' affairs according to their conscience, even to the point of forming militias to assassinate their leaders, but not under our flag.

Capital punishment--The ultimate in frightening government power with an immense chance of error, I don't see how a libertarian can support it. Only for terrorists, because if you imprison one his friends will take ten of your friends hostage and demand a trade. And for rapists and child abusers, because unless a breakthrough in clinical psychology occurs they are not reformable and I want zero chance of them ever getting back out.

Abortion--As my wife says, "I'll give a flying **** what MEN think about it as soon as one of you *******s gets PREGNANT."

Religion--I'm not terribly impressed with its track record over the course of human history. But as long as you don't try to impose YOUR beliefs on ME, I'll try to respect the First Amendment. It's okay to form small communities of like-minded people, living by their own rules. That's healthy social experimentation. But once a community gets so big that failure to conform to its rules can result in inability to find housing or work, then it becomes a CITY and cities are by definition places of extreme diversity and tolerance. The threshold population is about 20K.

That's pretty much how I feel about everything. I don't like a lot of what's going on but the entire concept of civilization demands that we tolerate diversity, even things and people we hate.

Oh yeah, this was supposed to be about my computer. Sorry, it's not something I spend a lot of time thinking about because after nearly forty years in IT it's just not that interesting or enjoyable any more. Therefore I own a Macintosh.

by tony hopkinson

as they seemd to be talking about something completely different to a brit. Don't ask me what british liberalism is about, by the time I researched it, it would have changed three times.

Liberal = Mac User. Sorted
LOL

by dc guy

We had to coin the ridiculous word "libertarian" because the Left had co-opted the word "liberal." For most of the 20th Century in America, "liberalism" was simply "socialism lite." Sure they accomplished a few things--or did they? It was Eisenhower who integrated the schools and established the Department of Health, Education & Welfare!

We libertarians refer to ourselves as "classic liberals" when in educated company. Thomas Jefferson was our kind of liberal.

A thumbnail definition of a libertarian is: liberal on social issues such as sex, drugs, and immigration, but conservative on economic issues such as taxes, foreign aid, and government intrusion into businesses like education and health care.

An even shorter definition is: Nullify all laws, programs, and court decisions that have no basis in the Constitution.

by ebrown1

Before my personal stats, I want to state I have no axe to grind on Windows vs. Linux. I have not had the opportunity to use Linux but have a pretty healthy experience with SCO UNIX products and work for a Windows-only shop. My bottom philosophy for OS: What will be the best tool for a given role based on cost (short/long term), skills, applications, business req, etc.

I am an evangelical Christian (gasp!)that deeply believes the gospel of Jesus is needed by every human on the planet. The Bible is God's guide for life and has proven relevant to every part of the human condition in every culture and every time in history. I also passionately believe in these and all other ideas/positions, etc. should be freely, and without fear, discussed in the public arena and it's each one's duty to decide for themselves. "We share, because we care."

Republibertarian, married 20+ years with 5 children; Music major before entering Tech to support the family. So, I like Jazz, folk music, hymnody, classical music, (most musics in fact); a lover of G.K. Chesteron, C.S. Lewis and Tolkien; a supporter of the war on terror but wonder why our borders are kept so open; Vietnam was a disaster because of our government policies. I hold with Jefferson: The government who governs best, governs least. But both major parties believe in more government and more intrusion into our lives.

by jdclyde

is all the non-judgmental people will find it a bad thing somehow that you have a belief in something more than yourself and are willing to stand up and state that.

Why is it if you do have religion, you are painted as a nut by the secularist? Because they want [b]"freedom FROM religion"[/b], instead of the [b]"freedom OF religion"[/b] we are garrantied here in America.

by rkuhn040172

I hear ya.

I'm not overly religious...probably haven't gone to church in 4 years. But my God doesn't make me get dressed up every Sunday and go to church in order to be a believer.

However, I for one, am sick and tired of the assault on religion. I'm typically labeled a right wing conservative because 1) I'm from the Midwest (Indiana) 2) I am religious 3) I like country music and even have a bit of a country accent.

Religion is protected under the Constitution...not outlawed.

by montgomery gator

I go along with your political and religious views. In fact, because I am a Christian who believes in traditional Bible-based values, I (along with most of the parish and 2 of the 3 priests of the parish) left the Episcopal Church and formed a new Anglican church in my town, because of the leftward movement of the Episcopal Church USA away from scriptural teachings.

Strong believer in federalism and State Sovereignty, since that is the way the government was set up by the US Constitution. My biggest disagreements with GWB is his "No Child Left Behind" and Medicare Prescription plans, and other plans that increase spending, because they expand federal spending and power, and GWB's refusal to veto spending bills full of pork, and refusal to veto spending bills that do not balance the budget. Balance the budget by cutting spending (especially domestic and social spending that should be left up to the states to decide on), not by raising taxes.

Also, GWB is too soft on illegal immigration. We need to stop the tide of illegal immigrants who flount the law and sneak across the border, and fine employers who hire them. I support allowing legal immigrants who intend to stay in the USA and become citizens, but oppose H1-B visas, because they come here for a couple of years, increas their skills, and then return to their home countries taking their money and skills with them to compete against us. But if they came here as legal immigrants with the intention to stay and become citizens, then their skills would add to our strength, their money would add to our economy, and they should be welcome.

However, I agree with his foreign policy in the War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan, support CAFTA and other items in GWB's trade policy, and his stands on social issues (pro-life, pro-family, pro-traditional values).

Roe v Wade should be repealed and let the individual states make laws regarding abortion as they see fit, since the constitution does not give the federal government the power to prohibit states from regulating abortion. But personally, I would hope they would outlaw it (except when the mother's life is in danger), since the unborn child should have rights, also.

I would like to see a Federal government reduced in domestic power, to reduce spending enough to balance the budget and still have even more tax cuts, for the federal goverment to stop spending money on things that the constitution reserves for the individual states (education, health care, welfare, social security, etc.) to decide for themselves whether to do or not. The Federal government should concern itself with national defense, immigration reform, and foreign affairs, and let the states run everything else that is not specifically enumerated as federal powers in the constitution. Jefferson was right.

I am a strong believer in capitalism and the free market, want to see less government regulations, and eliminate government subsidies. I want to see a flat tax, with no exemptions, with everyone paying the same percentage, no matter how much they make, and eliminate double taxation of corporate earnings and capital gains/dividends. Tax one or the other, but not both.

As far as Vietnam was concerned, our mistake was not to finish the job properly, with the politicians preventing the military from using its power to full effect.

In summary: traditional conservative on social issues, libertarian on economic views, want limited federal government and state sovereignty on domestic issues.

Oh yeah, I use Windows XP, but have nothing against Linux, even if it seems a bit socialist, but let people decide what to use that works best for them and what they want to do.

by jdclyde

the fed spending is higher than ever, yet all you hear from democrat weenies is that Bush isn't funding this and the idea of holding schools to a standard are all bad things.

It is the STATES that have been cutting funding to education, not the Feds.

Funny, the ever corrupt Teachers Union never tells that part of it. Just give them more money to continue to fail on their own and they will be happy.

by bfilmfan

Political: Strict Constructionalist Libertarian. If the power is not expressely granted to the Federal government, then it is reserved to the states. If you don't like the law in the state, either change it or move to a state where you do like the law. When enough people move out of a state, the government will notice and change its ways.

Sex Before Marriage: Yes, if both parties agree to the terms and conditions negotiated prior to the act. This means that both parties understand the consequences of possibly producing a child and are ready to deal with the consequences. Only lower-level animals, such as insects, arachnids and reptiles, produce young then don't bother to raise them.

Drugs: The War on Some Drugs has never worked and will never work. Legalize all drugs and sell them at the local drugstore for 50 cents a hit.

War on Terror: A war against an enemy who believes that when he dies he goes straight to the arms of his diety cannot be won without killing anyone holding that belief. Anyone that believes otherwise has fooled himself.

Vietnam: Another politicially motivated war where too many young men marched off to kill people in another country so a few people could get rich. I served 5 tours in Nam and the real enemies were the people making money from the war.

Money: Yes, I make money. Spend less than you make. You will have some when you get old then.

Divorce: Getting married should be harder than getting divorced. As marriage is a civil contract between 2 parties, their sex shouldn't matter.

Abortion: Safe, legal and rare. Not to be used as an after-thought birth control.

Income Level: Like it's anyone's business but mine, but the IRS likes me... a lot.

Experience: At what? Ball room dancing? Scuba Diving? Kissing on Miss Universe? You meant IT experience? I've been in the field well over 25 years and have the grizzled looks, grey hairs and nasty-looking scars to prove it.

Religion: Excellent for teaching young people that society has rules. Bad for adults to use as an excuse to condemn behavior they don't like.

Death Penalty: Oppposed to it in general with exceptions made when DNA or video evidence proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the defendant is guilty. Far too many innocent defendants have been condemned based on circumstancial evidence.

Prison: Penalties are to be fully served with no parole. As a number of prisons are full due to drug crimes, their legalization should empty the prisons leaving more room for the predators who refuse to modify their behavior.

Philosophy: Born too damned late. Should have been a personal aide to Teddy Roosevelt.

by sc00by_uk

I agree with pretty much everything Mr BFilmFan said. the exceptions are:
I'm a bit more conservative in my politics perhaps
I firmly believe in spending more than I earn as what are they going to do about it when I'm dead?
And I was born at just the right time to be me, which is enough.

I'm a windows person, though I do admin (well make sure they haven't lost power every now and again) 2 linux servers.

by jrod86

I ended up as HP-UX...hmmm, maybe I should reconsider a couple life strategies.

by stress junkie

... I ended up as TRS-DOS!!!

I wonder if it was the Power Sausage answer or the one about not washing for the last ten years.

by djameson

Linux/windows: freeBSD if I want a rock/any flavor of windows if I want someone else to be able to use it. There is only one root.

Political: Republican --> I think of it this way When the terrorists finally find there way here, I would much rather own a gun and know how to use it then to be some commie-hippie-libritarian-socialist that doesn't beleive in confilict, and would rather die then take up arms.

Sex before Marriage: absolutly

drugs: dont

war on terror: Find 'em kill 'em leave 'em to rot in desert.

vietnam: damn Democrats!!!

Money: More is always better

Divorce: only if one or both partners are infidels

abortion: NO

income level: ~$90,000

Experience: been writing code since I was 7

Religion: of no use.

Death Penalty: I beleive that we should institute Corporal punishment, and use it more then Capital punishment, I still beleive in Capital punishment. But I think if you get a beating once a week for 5 years there is no way you are going to commit a crime again. I beleive that a person who would be sentenced to death should have to be sentenced by a 80% majority of a jury.

Prison: Corporal punishment, for all it would definatly motivate people to not be repeat offenders.

Philosiphy: Lifes short, eat well play, hard Fu(k Yeah!

Other Interests: I run a stock car and Derby Cars and a rock-crawler. I guess I am a car-computer nut.

SA-

by tony hopkinson

I ended up as Windows 95.
I'll be back in a bit once I've recovered from this mortal insult.
Going to do it again and see if I can progress to 98.

by jdclyde

windows 98? How the he11 did I end up 98? :|_

I guess I will just have to keep taking that test until I get a REAL OS! :D

by jdclyde

I went back and any of the questions that I had been torn on, I chose the other answer.

I went from Win98 to Debian?

I must be more scitso than I told myself.

by tony hopkinson

planigrating is to get away from the roaches.
It would be back to basics , so much of your time would be spent surviving all the other decadent frippery we are drowning in would have to be left behind.

See myself as a noble techno-savage
LOL

by jaqui

since I've never had a copy of it I'm not sure if I'm insulted or not.
~L~

by jmgarvin

You should feel pretty proud...OS/2 was like Win9x, but stable and usable....and it came out in 93.

by rkuhn040172

Surprised no one brought it up...including me.

Thoughts?

Off-shore, on-shore, none?

Aren't consultants basically outsourcing? We use consultants alot when we don't the have knowledge, time, experience or just get in too deep.

by jdclyde

about the country music. I can see you getting persecuted severly for such behaviour (and rightly so! :^O )

Country music = Metalica on a back road! (old metalica)

Indiana, just was down there last weekend playing golf. Some of those locals need to learn some golf ediquate!

As for the rest, just stand tall and don't take any crap.

by rkuhn040172

Indiana really is a great place to live. Of course, I hear MI ain't so bad.

Indiana is cheap, good schools, honest/simple people.

Try coming for the Brickyard 500...best time you'll ever have.

by jdclyde

in a dictatorship, there are no "parties" except for the onces with the topless native girls bringing us out our drinks while we lay in our hamoks on the beach!

As for footing the bill for executions, the cost would be VERY minimal!

by jaqui

the families have to pay wages for the band, the firing squad, the bullets, the officer in charge, the cleaning crew.....

several thousand dollars at least.

by jdclyde

tapping that many kegs is expensive!

As for cleaning, haven't you ever seen one of those self cleaing bathrooms with a drain in the floor? We got another organ donar! When you aim, avoid all vital spots.

Maybe the Brits can teach the squad to shoot. Wish the US cops could shoot like that! Five head shots out of five shots! You guys ROCK!

by firstpeter

IT
Primarily Windows because my clients are Windows. Linux is a nice hobby, but in the desktop market very little value (right now) from a business perspective. Server are a different story.

Experience - 20+ years working on machines from TRS-80s, my good ol' Commodore 64, and on up from there.

POLITICS
Generally vote conservative because:
- they tend to prefer optimistm with a dose of reality
- they tend to actually stand for something* (see caveat below)
- "values" and "morality" are in their vocabulary and their actions
- they understand that _I_ am responsible for _MY_ actions (and _YOU_ are responsible for _YOURS_) and don't buy the poor excuses of "I had a hard childhood" and such
- they usually recognize that our forefathers built the government intentionally to be a little government (as opposed to running every aspect of my life)

Worst argument I've ever heard with regards to law: "It's 'Settled Law'." Okay, so we completely screwed it up the first time(s); we should just give up and say "we did the best we could" even though we failed?!?! That is in no way, shape, or form the response of an AMERICAN. And you WONDER why our schools are as poor as they are...

* Worst actions taken by a Senator recently - the "Compromised Senators" who decided that compromise on an important issue like getting the right people on the bench (or keeping the wrong people off the bench, depending upon which side of the aisle you're on) was a better solution than actually STANDING UP FOR WHAT'S RIGHT (again, regardless of the side of the aisle you're on).

RELIGION
Evangelical Christian (hmmm...did my alias give that away? *smile*).

I recognized early in life that because we're all human we're all falliable, and that using the Crusades or the Roman Catholic sex scandal or any other scandal as a reason to avoid admitting God exists and loves us all is just another excuse to not have to deal with the truth (and yes, there is A truth). Thank God I learned that.

Abortion - not fond of killing babies, especially before they're born.

Divorce - only when infidelity/abuse is the issue (who's bright idea was "irreconcilable differences"?!?!).

PERSONALITY
Eternally optimistic, but tempered with a dose of reality.

Work hard (my wife would call me a workaholic), play hard attitude.

People make mistakes, deal with it. Forgiveness is the way to go.

Stress isn't worth dealing with - just let it go.

OTHER STUFF
Income - nice to have, but we're only stewards of it. We're (my family) in the middle of the middle class.

Iraq War - I'm thinking 50m Iraqis would agree it was a good thing, and if it causes terrorists to think twice about pulling another 9/11 stunt - good to go, baby.

Vietnam - can't speak intelligently about it so I'm not going to speak about it at all.

by montgomery gator

Regarding what you said: "Divorce - only when infidelity/abuse is the issue (who's bright idea was "irreconcilable differences"?!?!)."

I do not like divorce myself, but learned the hard way, when I became divorced myself, a victim of infidelity and abuse (mental abuse, not physical, but mental abuse can sometimes be even worse). But it was a tough decision to make.

by firstpeter

RELIGION is protected, but if you're part of the ACLU (Anti-Christian Liberties Organization) I'm convinced you have to believe that CHRISTIANITY is outlawed (the ACLU's actions speak louder than their words on this topic). Don't get me started. :)

The Quran is okay to teach to children, but heaven forbid you want to read a Bible over recess...?!?! Did I miss something?

by rkuhn040172

Totally correct. The ACLU is out of touch.

Bush, with all his flaws, has brought back the popularity of being country, wearing boots and hat, and making metro males just look plain gay.

by firstpeter

Actually, metro males seemed to have done a good job of that themselves BEFORE the Prez got into office...

by jaqui

they don't hit the eyes.
after all the eyes may be able to get transplanted soon too so they become valuable.

by dc guy

Supposedly a New York City pizza man said he can always tell by your pizza. PC people get it with pepperoni. Mac people get it with everything.

by bfilmfan

Ask that question over on Snopes.

Barbara, who runs the site, loves to run those kinds of legends down to see if there is any truth to them.

by montgomery gator

I like Pizza with everything (hold the anchovies). Pepperoni Pizza is too plain, need all the meats, cheese, onions, olives, mushrooms, etc. However, I am a Windows guy.

I was a Mac guy a long time ago (mid-1980s to early 1990s) but got into MS operating systems when Windows became popular, since there was a lot more software available, and every place I worked at starting in the early 1990s used Windows OSs. Nothing against Mac, Linux, etc for those who like them and find them the best for what they do. I am not a OS fanatic, just like Windows OS for what I do.

Also, you said: "PC people get it with pepperoni. Mac people get it with everything." A Mac is a PC (personal computer). I know what you meant, but maybe you should have said "Windows" instead of "PC".

by jtakiwi

Republican - Now, I'm not a blind republican cool aid drinker. I believe that I, and everyone else for the most part in our counrty can better figure out how to take care of their family than the Government. I don't believe for a second that the Ivy leaguers can take care of my basic needs [other than national defense, maintaining our borders (man, do not get me started on Bush about this one), infrastructure, air traffic control, law enforcement, tax collection and our money supply]

I'm a fan of personal responsibility,
Born again Christian, drugs is dumb,

War in Iraq is a necessity - We must confromt evil, not shy away and hope it goes away.

Vietnam - Before my time, but there is no way we would have lost that war if the military was allowed to run it, not the politicians.

Divorce - It is a sin. Divorce is a very destructive event, for all concerned, I wish it on no one. It happens, unfortunately. True Chrisitians hate the sin, not the sinner. No condemnation, just my prayers for all who have had to endure this, my wife being one of those.

Abortion - you have to ask?

Income - 50k - 75k

Experience - over 8 years in server and network support

Personality - Introverted extrovert,or do I have that backwards?

by bfilmfan

Is that huge pig still out there on the side of the road on 431?

I always wanted to "borrow" it for Bike Week. :)

by tony hopkinson

conservative approach. In the UK that means preserve the status quo that it's wealthy proponents wish to keep enjoying.

But conservative, social, liberal etc aren't the problem.

That dangerous radical Thatcher for instance gave us the 'Right To Buy'. This meant should a tenant in local council housing (social housing basically) choose to buy the property they were renting the local goverment has to sell them it at a fair market price reduced by a %age dependant on how long you had already been renting to encourage us all to be home owners.

A very good thing, my father benefitted from it as has my partner.

However the dogma wasn't right to buy really it was get goverment out of providing housing. So they did not replensish the stocks of affordable housing. We end up with places with where they can't get nurses because the job does not pay enough to afford a mortgage in the area.

What's the current goverment doing? Taxing us so they can pay for the provision of affordable housing.

Politicians should not be allowed to make important decisions, they are incapable of thinking past the next election.

by roger99a

Arguing over which OS is better than another is like arguing over whether a hammer is better than a wrench. The OS is a tool used to accomplish a task.

I vote Republican but I'm not enthusiastic about it anymore. I really just want to be left alone. I'll gladly vote for any party that would promise to tax me just once. I don't care if it's an income tax, sales tax, or head tax, but I don't like paying income tax, then paying sales tax with money that was already taxed, then paying property tax (the most evil tax of all) on stuff I own that brings me no income. Our borders should be secure and our military strong. Immigrants should be documented and trained. They are usually good folks looking for a better life.

Vietnam: It was only a bad idea because it got screwed up. Nobody questions the Korean war, and the premise was the same.

Abortion: Either stop it or make it legal until the fetus gets it's own apartment. We can't discipline them anyway. It's illegal to spank 'em.

Drugs? I remember that.

Sex before marriage: It's like eating desert before dinner. It's real good when your doing it, but somehow it just screws up dinner.

Iraq: We were hunting Nazis into the 1950s. It will take time.

Divorce: it sucks. What God puts together only lawyers can take apart.

Income: Close to the median, but I live in Arkansas. I don't complain.

Experience: Talked my way into a PC repair job 11 years ago. I'm network admin for a mid-sized company. We have 30 servers, mostly Win2000, but several BSD, a Linux box or two, AIX and a SCO. People complain about Windows, but I find that if you set them up and leave them alone a monthly reboot is usually all they need. I mostly tell IP packets where to go anymore.

Education: BS in History and Philosophy. Computers was just supposed to be a hobby.

BBSpot test: I scored Amiga OS.

This post was written using Ubuntu Linux because for web and email it's just safer than Windows.

by rkuhn040172

I'm a conservative Republican/Independent, live in the Midwest, make on the lower end of average however also live in a cheap place to live.

I too started out in IT as a hobby and it just stuck.

Vietnam: necessary evil at the time. Should of let the military handle it.

Iraqi: Same as above.

Abortion: only for rape or incest.

Borders: secure them with the military. But I've never seen a Mexican terrorist.

Economics: lower taxes, Reaganomics works.

Death Penalty: for it.

Experience: 6-7 years, everything from PC repair to simple programming, Cisco, Citrix, Windows, training.

About 105 users, 14 servers, $150 million construction company. Use Linux to experiment...has it's uses.

Personality: focused, disciplined, introverted.

Drugs: keep them illegal.

Politics: Senator Evan Bayh is a sleeper, watch out. He appeals to all conservatives, Republican or Democrat but he is about as exciting as watching corn grow. That'll be his down fall.

Democrats won't win with a northern Democrat like Hillary. Indiana Senator would help bridge that liberal gap.

Microsoft: They probably do most of the evil things people mention, but as long as they don't break the law, OK by me. Some are just jealous...I hope to be that rich one day.

by raven2

What does it mean to be an American?

I am seeing everyone defining themselves in words that divide. What do we agree on, at the core of our beliefs. There is a trick in using divisive discussion. It is used in marketing, and politics to a great extent. --- If a lot of energy and time is being used to "prove A is better than B", then real issues can be sidetracked or hidden. ---How many times have we seen this political seasons.

The fact that I like chocolate icecream rather than tofu burgers is not an issue unless we are having lunch. Do you and I hold our elected representatives accountable for listening to us and making sound decisions based on the "common good" is the issue. This country was founded on the idea of a representative republic, and we are loosing that understanding through poor education and questionable political deals.

You and I can disagree on a thousand ideas. If we lose the right to be different, we have lost the essential element that made America great.

It is time to stand up and be counted, demand that our leaders address the real problem of real people. And not let them sidetrack the issues.

by roger

Tell me about your beliefs: Republican, no sex before marriage, anti-drugs, pro war in Iraq, pro war on terror, pro Vietnam (we probably didn't spend enough time there), money, against divorce, anti-abortion, income level very low - hoping to increase it, experience 30+years in computer field, personality genreally outgoing, friendly, get along with most animals...anything that may be insightful and may (or may not) reveal patterns here. I learned in my classes that you use the best available solution to a particular problem. Currently I believe that Linux has better security than Windows, but due to Windows ease of use most of us will continue to use it. With the increase of companies supporting Open-Source the acceptance level of Linux may increase. I personally run a Linux server and several Windows clients. I don't like Windows as a server system because it's response to requests is too sluggish, and Linux will run better than Windows on under-equipped boxes. Good luck supporting your theory (I'm middle of the road)

by tomsal

..might as well since I'm waiting for machines to image anyway.

OS theory : Use what suits the job/task at hand -- tell people who don't agree with your choice to kiss your a$$ if they have nothing constructive to say (ie. how to make better use of your chosen OS for the task). Example: At home I'm running XP Pro because that's what plays my vast game library and the associated hardware. Tell me to use Linux for that purpose I'll laugh in your face. However, if I were running Windows for a file/print server and you suggested using Linux for that purpose then that would make sense.

Personality: Definitely more introvert than extroverted, I enjoy small groups of close friends/family to large mobs. Moments -- even successive full days of solitude don't phase me in the least. I have no fear of being alone (in fact some times I embrace it). Other than that I enjoy good sarcastic humor and the people I tend to like hanging out with more have a great sense of humor and are more laid back than serious.

Religion: Grew up Lutheran (Christian) went to church ever Sunday and holidays for years on end, went through confirmation, bible study groups (my dad ran one for years out of our house). But once I got older my church attendance steadily dropped over the years, as of today the last time I was in church was probably this past Easter. I believe in God, but my faith wavers sometimes -- though I try and hang on to my belief even in good times (when its easier to "forget"). I believe people who slam someone for believing in a god or not believing in a god are complete and utter jack holes. If you don't believe either have a respectful debate with me or shut the hell up. If you do believe -- well the same applies.

Its Freedom OF religion, respect mine and I'll respect yours, even if it is none.

Government: I hate politics. And politicans even more. They are all liars, greedy SOB's and egomaniacs. I think government is necessary but not to the extend that we are getting at today. We need government for basic defense of the nation (military) and well I'll think of something else we need them for I guess..lol. Local (township) governments are more significant I think, as someone needs to organize and regulate EMS services, law enforcment and the like. But stay out of my personal space, especially my bedroom/my house/my car. etc.

Sex before marriage: Of course - I actually think its stupid not to. I mean what you gonna do not have sex until you marry someone and then find out the sex is horrible with them? Wouldn't that suck? You have to be smart though. Diseases aren't fun, either are unplanned pregnancies.

Another note on sex -- people who play others for it..are jack holes. If you wanna be cool and be a "player" then at least only "play" others with your same mindset. Cheating isn't cool either -- if you cheat and think you are slick, may you fall hopelessly in love with someone and then have that someone cheat on you...you rat bastard.

Finally this country is turning in to whimps, cowards, whiners and sissies. We are too PC for our own good.

That's about it for now.

by firstpeter

Let me correct one of those last lines for you:

"Finally this country is turning in to whimps, cowards, whiners and sissies. We are too MAC for our own good."

:)

by jdclyde

was too PC to say it.

Careful, you may hurt someones feelings.

What do you mean I hurt your feelings?
I didn't know you had any feeling!

by derrickdj

I am a gamer so I like Windows, sure you can play some games under Linux using Cedega but that require s you to download this and tweak and adjust that. I believe Linux is Strong for server stability and speed. On the desktop for the average user, it's not ready. Windows has a HUGE head start over linux and that gives MS a distinct advantage. Also too much variety can sometimes hurt you more than help. When people are offered too many choices that get confused and scared. That's my 2 cents. or 1 cents

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