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This is Not a Repair Shop

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I have an issue. I speak on behalf of everyone in my office.

We have a historical issue that is causing us a lot of grief. We are an ISP with various departments and services. My main concern right now is to get rid of the people who take it upon themselves to bring their PC to our office in order for us to take a look at it. I am under the impression that this has multiplied over the years due to a few simple favours that we've done in the past.

The dilema is that we need to find a way to let people know that we do not have time to look at their computers, nor do we even provide that level of service. Everyone in our office needs to be united on this (which we are) - but we also need to defend each other when it comes down to it.

"Well, you helped me before" - I need a tactful counter to this ridiculous line that our clients are feeding us. Gimme a break. Consult with a local shop.

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by jamesrl

People need to understand that your organization, as a business, is in business to make money and that time spent doing "non-billable" work takes away from the activities that make you money.

So put up a big sign that says Computer Repairs - $75 per hour, 48 hour turnaround for diagnosis. I doubt you will get many takers, and thats the point.

James

by house

On our marker-board "this is not a repair shop"... my buddy erased it shorty after and drew our logo and motto...

"Support Your Local Skeleton Crew"

heh

by jaqui

fine leave it with us for the next 6 months, and remember you will be charged at the rate of $300/hr with a 4 hour minumum when we finally get around to looking at it.

anyone crazy enough to agree to that deserves to get billed that much.

by house

Force a mortgage on their home, but they will still come to us... we are very well known. People like talking to us because we tend to go that extra mile to help them out. This needs to stop. I just walked through a newbie setting up a freakin' hotmail account. Sheesh. I never would have dreamed of consulting with ISP tech for that when I was a kid... but some people are so nice.

by jdclyde

Maybe this is a side service your company should consider.

Open a new department with billing notices, and let everyone know that you now are providing tech support for a "reasonable" price and add a new source of revenue.

If the work comes in, you will be a GOD and may get that 25 cent raise (per week, in canadian play money of course).

by jdclyde

Is this something management has pointed out as a problem or something that you and your co-workers decided?

If the first, just state you are no longer able to do that. If they proceed to hound you about it just ask them point blank "would you really want me to get in trouble?" If they say no, your off the hook. If they say yes they don't give a rats a$$ about you and are just looking for something for nothing and tell them to hit the bricks.

If it is the later, blame it on management anyways. Everyone knows that management is a bunch of jerks and would expect that out of them.

The other option is to start taking more and more time to get the system back stating that you were too busy doing your job to fix their system, but you will get right on it during the next lull.

by house

Myself and another member of management have come to the concensus that this is a problem.

If any clients have issues with that, well then they can speak with the owners themselves. The problem I have is not sounding off as being rude when it comes to turning away these needy clients.

by tbragsda

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Where are you in the management mix. One way or another it needs to be put in writing. Get your manager, etc up to whomever you can to agree on a written policy. Communicate it with the user base with mass email, and put it in whatever corp manual you have. Then when asked, if you are the manager of this group, stand your ground and say "we can't do this anymore."

This seems like simple advice, and you may say, "but they will keep asking", well, you will keep saying no. Its not mean to say no when the policy has been posted, its they who should be sorry for the position they are putting you and the other tech in.

In some cases no matter how well you craft this, there will be exceptions. How about the CEOs wifes LT? Or the remote office salesmans home WKS that he sometimes uses for email etc. This can get tricky, I know! You may never get out of all the side work, but most. The user base will catch on very quickley, and will not feel slighted for your refusal.

TBR

by house

My best friend's sister, is married to so-and-so's uncle's buddy's cousin. Ha. I am aware of this one.

I do not have a problem turning these people away, it is the matter of being tactful that concerns me. The policy is now in effect by my hand... but people still come to our door. This will eventually stop, but it is a current issue that will take time to resolve.

by tbragsda

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"We can nolonger work on personal wks, as the legal department has warned that loss of data... blah blah"

by deepsand

is under you tent. Short of shooting the camel, or moving to a new tent, a multi-pronged assault is required.

1) Advise all existing clients, as well as new ones as they come on board, via e-mail, that you are not equipped to do repairs & will not undertake to do such.
2) Prepare suitable signage, approved by upper management, with a professional appearance, to be posted at applicable entry points; and,
3) Have those personel who have fostered the undesired behavior personally explain to their friend, relative, etc. why they can no longer rely on your firm to provide the services that they have come to expect.

by house

It is indeed a tough game to finish, but we will get there. I have made it my duty to see this through.

I beleive, that we will deal with this on a personal basis. The signs might not be deemed as a "friendly" notice by some of our clients.

by deepsand

Your goal is not to be "friendly" with clients.

Your goal is to provide a service in a manner that is in the best interests of your client base as a whole.

Signage, if tactfully done, can deflect most of the negative reactions.

by hobsondj

We are an IT department in school. Lots of teachers, principals, etc, bring their problem machines in. In the beginning we did try to help them out, then burn out began.

We offer teachers a list of people who will come to their homes and fix rigs on an hourly basis. These are the people we know who are also listed in the phone book. This stragegy seems to work with most people.

by tonythetiger

I'm not to the point where it causes grief. Quite simply, I am not allowed to do personal work on company time. I have two breaks a day and an hour for lunch. I do offer to go to thier home after work to diagnose (and possibly repair) a problem, but I don't charge money. If the person wants me to use my skills for them, I request that they use theirs for me, so I often work for a plate of cookies or an oil change. Works for me.

by house

The bartering system works well when you are at the same level as the other party. I see issues with people who think that the world owes them a favour.

Bartering works well, and it's not even conscious. I tend to hang around people who like to work for a living, so usually the swap comes naturally. I have little tolerance for people who ask 20 question about things that are not really of my concern. If I hear one more question about MSN, I'll snap.

by house

That is the reason that we have these problems now. We used to run a side shop.

by craig herberg

Your best bet is to discuss with your manager. My guess is that PC repair is not where you provide the most value to your employer, but that decision should come from management. Assuming the verdict from managment is that repair is not supported within your company, perhaps you could find a reputable repair technician who makes on-site visits. That way, you get to do your job and the other people who work there can have their PCs fixed so they can do thier jobs.

Good luck!

Craig Herberg
p.s. The people outside your group are not your adversaries.

by hockeyist

I made it fun and haggled for payment in wine. I was swamped with requests and quickly stocked up my wine rack when I asked for a bottle of wine for every hour I spend on the repair minimum 2 bottles. I also stated that I didn't accept cheap and nasty plonk.
I did all of my foreign orders after hours in my own time (although the company seemed to think that I didn't have any "own time")
Most of the people supplied good wine (from their vendors/suppliers no doubt) and we were both happy. I also stated that it would cost an extra bottle if they hung around and waited and an extra bottle for any "help" they provided. These "gifts" were less risky than accepting money for work. People were also more willing to give wine than money for some reason.

by advancedgeek

I am an all around computer guy where i work...i do sys admin, and help desk support, and i have the exact same problem. What i did was start charging for home visits (money) and stopped working on them at work. What you should do is work out a deal with a local company that they give you a flat fee for every person that comes in for help, and send them their way. For people asking about how to set up a hotmail account (rofl) I would tell them nicely that you don't have time to walk them through that, and to visit so and so's company. No way would i put up with that nonsense. I think you've been entirely too nice.

by thaifoo

I would put in dollars. These folks are hoping to get something for free or barter, but it comes at the expense of either your company or your own time. If your situation is that users come to you to fix their personal PC's during business hours, you are losing your company's money. Plain and simple. Explain the revision in policy as a cost restructuring and these "favors" are disrupting your productivity and efficiency. Tell them that they need to contact the vendor or the hardware/software they purchased for support. They have already paid for support service when they purchased the product. They bought a Dell? Dell made amusing commercials about support on call 24/7/365. Can't set up internet mail? Call the company tech support. That company is paying those guys to fix problems, not you.

This problem was a large problem for us when we provided VPN. Everyone started calling us to help them connect to their ISP. We simply told them, "Once you get on the internet with your provider, follow our installation guide to set up your VPN. We are not responsible for how your ISP sets up your connection. Our support only begins when you start using our company VPN over a stable internet connection."

Being nice got you into trouble, skip it. If you need tact, get management buy-in and HR.

by dberquist

If I?m reading this right, you?re a small business with the public knocking on your door, not corporate employees asking for help with their home PC?s. If that?s the case, ?Partnering? can help both you and your customers.

Is there a local shop that you trust? (One that is NOT also an ISP?) Give them a call and explain that you would like to make referrals to them. The only thing you ask is that when their shop?s customers are looking for an ISP, they refer to you.

Make sure that both of you have pamphlets for the other?s services. And if you also give a special offer (something small like % off first month) you will be sure to know who if being referred.

This helps your customers as well. When you explain that you had to shut down your repair services, you can give them recommendation to a reputable shop that can help. Most of your customers probably don?t know anywhere else to whom they can turn.

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