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by charliespencer

The Olympics are a huge waste of money, and Chicago is better off without them. No host city has broken even in decades, and the attention and visitors' dollars attracted don't compensate for the money lost.

Regardless, Obama was in a no-win situation. Anybody who paid attention knew the games were going to Rio since there had never been a South American host before. Had he stayed home, the same people would be criticizing him for not going, claiming he hadn't done all he could to secure the games.

by jck

I know Atlanta went huge into debt for it and lost money, plus the city let the downtown slide following it and from what I understand the area around The Underground is not such a tourist friendly place anymore.

As for people criticizing him no matter what, at least Obama went to make the pitch. According to the AP:

"Obama's presentation in Copenhagen on Friday will be the first time a U.S. president has appeared before the International Olympic Committee to lobby for an Olympics."

That means...neither of the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman, etc., has ever gone to present his country's bid to host an olympics.

At least the guy made the effort to help. No one else has.

by maxwell edison

[i]That means...neither of the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman, etc., has ever gone to present his country's bid to host an olympics.[/i]

For full and proper perspective, were any of those other presidents' home towns ever a finalists for consideration while they were in office?

by rookietech

i agree thats how the government works and i dont actually watch that games id rather watch football or lacrosse than the Olympics but thats just who i am :)

by jamesrl

One issue is whether or not the US should again host the games. Certainly the US has more than its share of hosting opportunities. Bejing got the games because they had never been to China (or many places in Asia outside of Japan or Australia). Chicago was the IOC's safety choice if the Rio or Madrid bids were unworkable.

The other issues is whether Obama should have personally spoken to raise support. It has a precedent, many credit Tony Blair's speech as pushing London over Paris for 2012. But over the history of the games, it hasn't happened often. I have to think after months of trips, lobbying and inspections, most of the delegates have a strong idea where they will vote before the speeches.

The last issue is whether Republicans should make hay from this.

As for the economics, to Palmie's point, yes the numbers don't add up on the balance sheet. But after the games are over, the host cities have new facilities that will last for years, new affordable housing that may not have otherwise been built, a boost in tourism, and so on.

I do think its a cheap shot to mock Obama for not winning, lets face it, you cannot win if you do not play, and most players will not win.

James

by charliespencer

If those are the priorities, and if they're going to put you in the hole, then put them up without using the games as an excuse.

by notsochiguy

I was typing up all the reasons why Chicago was facing a stacked deck, and why I'm glad the city didn't get the games. However, that would have been a Tolstoy-esque post. So, here it is in a nutshell:

A broke city that can't provide basic services (garbage collections, for example), ignores the plight of its citizens, suffers from graft at every level of government, depends on antiquated & dilapidated infrastructure and is run by a mob (Daley, O'Reilly, Madigan, Quinn, Murphy, Walsh, Ryan---slainte, you crooked bastiges) simply has no business hosting the games.

Collapsible stadiums---seriously???

The only real losers are the community activists turned real estate moguls in the areas where Olympic venues were to be put.

by notsochiguy

Anything he touches turns to cow pie. How anyone would trust that he would be able to pull off a successful Olympic games is laughable, at best.

The things I think ultimately sunk the bid were:

1). Too many collapsible/temporary structures. The buildings are the legacy of the games. I'm sure this plan didn't go over well with many in the IOC.

2). Transportation. There is no good way to go to the various venues; asides from driving. Which leads to...

3). Public infrastructure. They could test lunar rovers on the streets in Chicago. Many were never repaired from last winter. Those potholes will become sinkholes this winter.

4). The video of the kid getting beat to death. Seeing kids kill another is bad enough. Knowing a kid videotaped it on a cellphone, instead of dialing for help and probably saving the victim, is another.

5). Juan Antonio Samaranch's last minute plea for Madrid. I don't think Chicago was beating Rio anyway, but I think this is what really led to Chicago getting bounced so soon in the process. This probably swung the swing voters.

I could go on and on. Hopefully, losing the Olympic bid leads to Daley FINALLY getting the door.

by jck

That was the freakazoid dude that was married to 7 of 9.

Man, she is hot. ]:)

by notsochiguy

...1 of many in C(r)ook County politics. Much like the Borg...only, with much more diabolical political motives.

by jck

Well, they can all stay there.

I'd like to give her my own specialized Borg implant. ]:)

Sad how the immigrants that came here to work for a better life...their children have so quickly got corrupted by "The American Way".

Oh well. I wish I could help you out. But, it seems that corruption is everywhere.

by maxwell edison

..... and then go find some ammunition to support the attempt. That's all Roland S. Martin did.

And which prominent Republican did he cite? Erick Erickson, a blogger at "RedState" blog, who wrote, [i]"Hahahahaha ...... I thought the world would love us more now that Bush was gone."[/i]

Heck, maybe Roland should start trolling the discussions here at TR to find more ammunition for his agenda of discrediting the entire Republican Party.

But Roland's ONLY reference was a blogger? Ooooookay.

Besides, the only quote provided is pretty accurate. If Chicago's loss was because of a tarnished US image (which is pure speculation), and if a cornerstone of Obama's campaign was to immediately (and yes, he did make such a claim) improve that image, then Erick Erickson's comment was pretty accurate and should have been expected.

Out of curiosity, I searched for the cited blog for full context:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/02/breaking-world-rejects-barack-obama-no-chicago-olympics/

I wonder if Roland will ever cite something I say as a basis for criticizing the entire "GOP"?

Recipe for a politically motivated article:

Take one ounce of speculation (rejection due to tarnished US image), add a pound of desired end conclusion (let's discredit the GOP), look for whatever supporting evidence is available (RedState blog site) and season to taste. Sprinkle with the usual political platitudes ("Buy American" or "Support our troops"), and presto, you have an article.

P.S. Jessie Jackson, in a recent speech in Chicago, blamed GW Bush!

Put political mud-slinging aside for a moment (mud-slinging from both sides), and try to find the REAL reasons Chicago was rejected. Other than politically motivated speculation (Bush's tarnished image of the USA or Obama's failure to be taken seriously), I haven't seen much in the way of real, verifiable, and factual reasons. Have you?

by notsochiguy

...I suspect it may be this:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/transportation/1806361,CST-NWS-Ride05.article

As I mentioned in another post, getting between venues in Chicago would have been problematic, to say the least.

However, the IOC doesn't officially state a reason why a bid is rejected. Which is a shame; since that could provide helpful feedback for not only the rejected cities, but future prospects, as well.

As for Jesse Jackass, you are spot on...he did try to blame Bush for this on Friday. While I wasn't fond of Bush, to blame him for this is nothing short of ridiculous.

There were also complaints of the voting process, and how it was rigged. Chicagoans complaining about corrupt voting. Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Pot.

;)

by maxwell edison

[i]"However, the IOC doesn't officially state a reason why a bid is rejected. Which is a shame; since that could provide helpful feedback for not only the rejected cities, but future prospects, as well."[/i]

Exactly right. Therefore, this is all speculation based on one's attempt to support a desired end conclusion (by both the left and the right).

These are the kinds of things I try to avoid. As Santee said in a message above, it cheapens everybody.

by jck

[i]"...or Obama's failure to be taken seriously..."[/i]

Can you please cite any person at the conference in Copenhagen involved with the IOC's decision who stated they didn't take Obama seriously, please?

I think it was turned-down by the IOC so quickly because of Chicago and its shortcomings, and not Obama's credibility or his lack thereof.

Thank you.

by maxwell edison

[i]Can you please cite any person at the conference in Copenhagen involved with the IOC's decision who stated they didn't take Obama seriously, please?[/i]

I can't, and that was my whole point - just like no one can [i]cite any person at the conference in Copenhagen involved with the IOC's decision who stated[/i] the rejection was due to a tarnished image.

I included in my comment speculation that's being spewed by BOTH the left and the right. If you took my message as taking one side or the other, so to speak, you misread it.

Personally speaking, I have no idea why Chicago was turned down, I've not made any speculation myself, and truth be known, I don't really care why Chicago was rejected.

If I were to make a guess (based on what I've heard), I'd say that Rio was accepted more than Chicago was rejected - along with a couple of other "rejected" cities. One bride and the rest bride's maids.

by charliespencer

that any speculation, whether regarding Bush and our image or Obama and the committee's opinion of him, is unprovable and strictly for political pot-stirring.

by nicknielsen

South America has never hosted an Olympics.

Don't know how real, factual, or verifiable it is, but it probably closely mirrors reality.

I don't follow political bloggers from either side, so I don't know Erick Erickson from Roland Martin. I'll admit I didn't dign too deep into the background; I was a little tired when I got home from Savannah last night.

by charliespencer

if I can mangle my double-negatives.

The US didn't submit a bid; the state of Illinois didn't either. The city of Chicago did. The other prospective host cities submitted bids backed by the resources of their national governments, as is the norm for almost every other country. US cities submit bids on their own, some with support of their states but rarely with any substantial contribution from the federal government.

Me, I prefer it that way. I think any city that hosts any of these short term international boondoggles (Olympics, G-7/G-20 summits, etc.) needs to vote out the elected officials who thought it was a good idea.

Edit - I agree. Any South American city who could put together a half-way decent bid was going to get the games simply because they had never been held in SA. Expect any African city that eventually makes it to the final round to be a shoo-in for the same reason.

by charliespencer

So we didn't get the Olympics. It's not like they were first scheduled here and then relocated. As NSCG noted, without feedback it's impossible to determine the criteria for success. About the only sure criteria is that it won't go to the same country twice in a row.

Is the U.S. as a whole any poorer for not securing the games? I submit it isn't. Is Chicago any poorer for having someone else chosen? They spent money on an unsuccessful bid, but that's orders of magnitude less than they would have poured down the bowl had they 'won'.

Why does anyone feel a need to attach any lasting or national significance to this? We'd be better off examining why some foreign manufacturing firms turn down bids by US cities to locate facilities here. Now those are losses worth deconstructing.

by karydavis

...the simple fact that Rio was a better choice this time?

I know I may be over simplifying this, but couldn't the fact be that the choice was more about Rio than the US and its politics?

I may be naieve but I think the committee was not thinking of either former Pres GWB or current Pres Obama, nor were they considering the corruption or transportation of Chicago...I think they were considering Rio for many reasons, one of which was a first time venue.

I think sometimes we Americans take things a tad too personally...JMO

by charliespencer

it's only because Chicago, for all it's history, is a minor league team compared to the IOC. It would be like NASCAR coming to race on your cul-de-sac.

by drowningnotwaving

If anything, Corruption would have been seen as compliance with the IOC business ethics!!

Australia's (Sydney's) win was dependant upon tens of millions of dollars in aid promised to the African block, in various guises of grants, loans and free support to actually get to the Olympics (now considered to be simply a base requirement of any country going for the bid).

Rio's bid would have included significant discussion that the timeframe proximity to the US meant maximum exposure for advertising revenue.

Corruption truly is an official IOC sport.

by kenone

Want to go to a party?
Where would you rather go? Chicago or Rio?
The US only had one place that could compete with Rio and, since Katrina, now it's in ruins.

by charliespencer

I'll stay home and wash my hair. That also happens only every fourth year, and NBC has offered me $900 million for the TV rights.

Must I choose? Well, Rio isn't in a third-world country :D

by maxwell edison

.....that jck was simply adding to the [i] political pot-stirring[/i].

I have no dog in the Chicago Olympics hunt. I don't care one way or the other - about the reason or the outcome.

by jck

I would guess (based on what NotSoChiGuy has said, as well as what 2 of my friends that live in the Chicago metro) that Chicago was probably rejected because of lack of facilities, infrastructure, etc., that other cities already have.

One for instance: Football, or as Americans and Aussies call it: Soccer.

When you have the world's most popular sport being played, having a stadium that seats about 62,000 people like Soldier Field is probably not going to be adequate.

Even Rio De Janiero's Estadio do Maracana may not be large enough with seating at almost 89,000. Football is a HUGE sport in Brasil.

I don't doubt for a minute most (if not all) of the matches will be sold out.

I was just curious as to where you got the remark that he wasn't taken seriously. That's all.

by notsochiguy

...I think the voters wanted reasons to vote for Rio, and Chicago didn't give them any real reasons not to do so, if that makes sense.

Locally, the people connected to the bidding process seem more upset with the early and resounding exit than they do with losing out overall.

by jck

Actually, Obama's hometown isn't Chicago. Honolulu, Hawaii is.

Chicago is his city of full-time residence for the past several years. But, he has bounced between New York and Chicago and California before that.

The closest you will come to a president's hometown is William Howard Taft, who was born in Cincinnati, did nothing to represent Cleveland's bid and to get the 1916 olympics in his home state.

Point is, no other president has made the effort at all no matter what.

by charliespencer

Define 'hometown', please. I'm asking as an Air Force brat who was born in Indianapolis but left there before I was a year old. I don't know if I consider any place I lived while growing up as my 'hometown', but Indy certainly isn't in the running.

Edited - Not that I have anything against 'Circle City'; I've visited there many times. Good zoo and botanical gardens, and of course great racing. I hear there's a half-way decent football team. I don't think it's played any role important enough to qualify as my 'home town'.

by jck

I would think a hometown is the place you were born and/or began life growing up.

Of course, things would be different for military kids as they get moved a lot.

I don't have a hometown according to myself.

My birthplace and place of residence most of my life I wouldn't consider my hometown. My best friend and I call it the "a$$hole of the universe". I'd never move back there, except for grossly absurd amounts of money guaranteed in the short term. Then, I'd move away again.

Where I live now definitely isn't my hometown. I plan on leaving it.

Anyways. I don't think a "hometown" is considered where you currently live or have lived the past several years. I think a hometown is usually related either to your birth or living formative years of your child hood.

Maybe I'm wrong in the head or something.

by jamesrl

Many Olympics insiders had thought Chicago was in number 2 spot before the big conference.

In the conference which decided the home of the 2012 Olympic games, it was neck and neck between Paris and London, with Paris considered to be leading. Tony Blair gave an impassioned speech and London won the games. Note, neither UK(1948) nor France (1924 Chariots of Fire) has had a summer games for many decades. So London and Paris, each having held 2 summer Olympics, were somewhat even. Rio is on a continents that has never held an Olympics. North America(Canada and US combined) has held 11.

Toronto lost to Bejing, despite having a better sports infrastructure. The sentiment though, was for the place that had never had the chance to have the games. Bejing committed to building new infrastructure and overcame the objections. Rio will probably do the same.

James

by jck

maybe he feels like I do...where I was born and raised isn't my hometown.

Of course like I said, it will never be. There are people there who are/have been dear to me. But, nothing about that town engraciates me to espouse it as where my "roots" are.

by jck

But if you request sources for one thing from one person you feel should give, and then you make an allusion to something yourself...should you not validate what you state with information just as you request from someone else?

Just found it interesting that crept its way into the dialogue as a descriptive item about Obama.

That's all I'm saying.

by notsochiguy

I don't see how presidential politics really plays into this; other than giving people the opportunity to sling mud at their favorite target.

Rio was the favorite going in, and Rio got the games. Anything past that doesn't much matter.

by jamesrl

And two of my university friends helped organize the Toronto bid, the country's sports bodies/Olympic committee must support the bid (and not have another aagainst it) and the federal government usually makes guarentees about funding in case the plans go off the rails.

James

by charliespencer

and don't call me 'Shirley'.

We're here all week, folks! Try the eggplant! Don't forget to tip your waitress! Remember, our Saturday matinee is a 'No Smoking' show! Tell your friends!

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