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Check out this silly looking email I got today from another "recruiter". Is this even a real position? They want a network admin with programming skills too? Perhaps they also want psychic abilities and the ability to forecast the stock market as well? What the heck is going on?

June 25, 2007

Dear ******:

Subject: Ref# KF 06251/System Administrator - Windows / Zenworks Deployment Expert/Madison Ave , NYC

We are pleased to bring to your kind attention the opening that you may wish to consider. Please find the details of the position below this message.

Should this position interest you, we would highly appreciate to hear back with a latest copy of your resume in Word format.

Feel free to pass this notification to any one else you know may be interested.

Thanks in advance for your time and looking forward to working with you.

Best regards,
Hari Kumar
Resource Specialist
DataSoft Inc
Ph: (678) 267-3728
(678) 777-2356 (Cell)
=====================POSITION DETAILS ===================

Ref# KF06251

Title : System Administrator - Windows / Zenworks Deployment Expert

Location : Madison Ave , NYC - Local candidate only

Duration : 6 months +- going till the end of this year right now. Highly likely going into 2008.

Job Description

Analyzes and evaluates major system project requirements of considerable complexity requiring a thorough understanding of all parameters affecting and interfacing with the system. Reviews user requirements and provides direction in the identification of problem and potential resolution. Defines system objectives and prepares system design specifications to meet user and system requirements. Formulates logical statements of user requirements and develops solutions through application of systems and methods of engineering techniques. Reviews alternate approaches and selects appropriate methodology. Recommends corrections in technical applications and analysis. Applies advanced technical principles, theories, and concepts. Contributes to the development of new principles and concepts. Works under consultative direction toward predetermined long-range goals and objectives. Determines and pursues courses of action necessary to obtain desired results. Work checked through consultation and agreement with others rather than by formal review of superior. May provide work leadership for lower level employees. Considered expert in field. Excludes those with full supervisory responsibility.

Skill Set Requirements

Operating Systems:
Windows 2003 Advanced, Windows XP Professional, Web and Enterprise Server (including Cluster servers), Windows 2000 Advanced, Active Directory, NT, Terminal Server, VMWare, Windows 95/98/NT/2K/XP/Vista desktop, Linux

Protocols and Services:
Active Directory, DNS, DHCP, FTP, HTML, IIS, IMAP, LDAP, NNTP, POP3, RIS, SMTP, SNMP, TCP/IP, WINS

Software and Utilities:
Windows XP, Windows Server, Active Directory, IBM Director, Novell, Blackberry Support, Veritas Backup Exec., ZENWorks 6.5 ? 7.0 (Software deployment Application), Ghost, Tivoli, MS Office, Citrix MetaFrame, Remote Access Support, Terminal Services, Nortel VPN, Wireless networking, McAfee, Patchlink

Programming :
MS Visual Basic 6.0/ Visual Basic. NET, ASP.NET, ADO.NET, HTML, MS Visual J++ 6.0, C, C++, Crystal Report

Hardware :
HP / Compaq Proliant DL and ML Series, IBM Servers, Dell Servers, IBM / DELL Laptops, Printers (IBM, HP), Scanner, NIC, Modem (Internal, External, PCMCIA), SCSI, RAID 0/1/5, Cable Cat 5, Cisco Routers, Switches, Hubs, WI-FI Network, Linksys Networks, Netgear Networks,D-Links Networks, SOHO, ISDN/ T1 Lines, DSL

Proficiency Requirements

Proficient in the Software packaging lifecycle, including installation and configuration, testing, customization via msi and mst modifications.
Advanced expertise with packaging utilities such as Wise Installer, Install Shield or Flexnet Admin Studio (Zenworks Edition)
Advanced knowledge of Windows 2k and XP Desktop imaging specifically in the area of creating a single image for multiple hardware types.
ZenWorks imaging, proficient in the delivery of desktop images via PXE and/or Boot CD
Experience with ZenWorks policies
Detailed experience with Complex customized deployments such as MS Office, Adobe, SAP client, Oracle client, Novell Client, Internet Explorer, Java, Zen Agent, Patchlink Agent and McAfee in a 5000 user+ enterprise environment.
Expert level experience with the Development and Deployment of ZenWorks Application Objects (NALs) following Best Practice Standards as recommended by Novell
Must have at least 2 - 4 years experience with ZenWorks version 6.5 or newer
ZEN Desktop Management integrations with Zen Server management, a huge plus
Experience with Windows Server builds 2k and 2k03.
Ability to meticulously QA products/process across multiple platforms and document
Excellent troubleshooting skills regarding all aspects of ZenWorks functionality on the Desktop
Ability to analyze failure/success of deployments and provide reports

Certifications

Windows 2003 Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE)
Windows 2003 Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA)
Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP)
MCSE: Windows 2000
MCSA: Windows 2000
Certified NetWare Engineer (CNE)

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by shellbot

the salary is about 200K+ ??

WTF??
I thought i had seen some effed up specs..but that tkaes first place..

I see a lot of same-ish specs in ireland recently. Its like they combine 3 positions to save the money and then can't understand why no one has the experience and skills to fill the role.

Had a call this morning from an agent. Seemingly my cv is a perfect match for a position they've got. Its a hybrid DBA/SQL Dev/ .NET dev/ System Admin / General Support role

So right, thats 5 positions rolled into one. I beg to ask, how would you get any solid work done???

Too cheap to hire a couple staff... thats what i think

by big ole jack

I doubt they are even paying $100K for this. They'll be lucky if they find some poor sucker on H1-B to do this kind of work, because nobody I know will put themselves into such a hellhole.

by michael.brooks2

I think I already work for the dipsh*t that wrote that job discription. He will put out a post like that for a job that pays $35,000.
We have a lot of jobs here in AZ for $13.00 hr Help Desk. But require Advaced knowlege of Active Directory.....Network Administrator sh*t, lol.

by locrian_lyric

Also been seeing bizzare combo positions...

I actually went on an interview for a VB/Java position.

The folks P&Med back to my recruiter that I was not expert in both.

I told the recruiter that you're not going to find someone who *IS* expert in both for what they were willing to pay.

Oh, and there are the various COBOL, VB, Java, Web jobs out there too **rolls eyes**

WTH is going on with these job reqs?

by clark1

Seeing and getting calls for short term <6mos contracts. Are companies moving away from full time on site support and moving to contract support across the board??

by locrian_lyric

They've also forgotten that it's not 2003 any longer and IT people can actually find work.

What *is* happening is many companies are getting tired of agencies throwing bodies at them. Most contracts these days are hiring managers wanting to go the 'try before you buy' route.

The BEST practice is to go to company websites and get the job listings there.

I can tell you from firsthand experience (recently unemployed, now fully employed) that there is no shortage of fulltime positions. The companies are simply tired of being hosed by agencies.

by shellbot

i had to laugh at one i saw a while back..
these were designated among REQUIRED, along with 6 or 7 "other" desired skills:
required: min 6 years VB.net
required: min 6 years VB 6
required: min 6 years C++

now..really..what C++ coder is going to dirty him/herself with VB???
Same way as I, being a VB person would not touch C++ with a 12 foot pole..

by locrian_lyric

but only because the C++ programmer quit at a previous employer and the code had to be maintained by someone... I was the choice.

by hlore

I studied both because I want to know as many as possible so my options are greater. I'm not an expert in any yet, so perhaps once I find my nitch I would disdain one or the other.

by big ole jack

that I wasn't technical enough because they wanted an "expert" in Netapp aside from having "expert" Windows 2003 skills. I've done my share of Windows 2003 server, AD, and Netapp installs, and they'd be lucky to find MCSEs' out there who even know what a Netapp Filer is. I guess they used that pathetic excuse to justify not wanting to pay my corporate rates.

by shellbot

it wouldn't be common for someone to have 6 years development experience in both. maintenance ya..i can just about read C++ due to working with jscript a few years a go, most documentation was only in C++, so had to learn enough to understand and modify for jscript..
but no way could i do anything more with it!

by mdhealy

One thing I've noticed is that a limited amount of exposure to this or that language in the past can be very useful because it enables me to translate code I find on the Net into the languages I am using. But there's a world of difference between translating FORTAN into Perl or Java versus actually writing FORTRAN -- since I last wrote FORTRAN code about 19 years ago.

by hal 9000

The most glaring obvious is that they are asking for an [b]Expert[/b] and I don't know anyone who is silly enough to consider themselves that.

But the actual Short Term Job is nothing more than a Network Designer to I suppose Design and roll out a new Network in a 6 Month Period or maybe slightly longer as they say that the job may continue to 2008.

About right for a Medium Sized LAN to fix the majority of the built in problems. Seems that they are planning on integrating this project correctly as they seem to be saying that they will be replacing hardware and the new has to work with the old till the old is totally removed.

I notice that they want a complete M$ Desktop Environment so that's a problem particularly when they listed Vista, but otherwise it's a fairly good job description with a lousy header that is misleading.

Also for the required experience the money isn't great as this is a short term Management position.

But if you want to stuff them completely send them a Word Document written in 2007 and see just how far they get. :D

Way to poor pay and short term for my liking as this place seems to want to have their cake and eat it as well. I'm betting that for that lousy pay they will expect to own you as well and have you available 24/7 while you are there because of the [b]Big Salary.[/b]

From my memory of that City that sounds very much like a [b]Bread Line[/b] living status for what is effectively Part Time Work. OK if you are independently wealthy and are only looking at work as a Hobby not so great if you have to live on the pay though.

Col

by highlander718

While evidently the requirements are way out of line, I would agree that they look for a sort of a Jack of all trades here, and expert at those trades too.

The problem is, as you mentioned, that this might work for a small to medium sized company, but the add is asking for experience in 5000+ user environements ..

They might've actually posted this one really looking for a team of 5 or more experts, that's my only explanation.

by big ole jack

Lately, I've been seeing stupid buzzwords in these requirements like "Superstar" and "Guru", just to name a few. That right there is indication that they are looking for a Cyborg that can multitask on 200 things a day, not a human being. 5 years from now, this position will still be circulating around the job boards because nobody in their right mind would subject themselves to such madness.

by saravananla

I wonder they are joking.No one I beleive can be a expert on all these fields.Even to expert in more than one field, you will be bald by then............

by captbilly1eye

I was bald by the time I was 27... what did you mean by "..be bald by then"?
I don't get the time reference and... am I to assume that going bald is the most negative thing you can think of in reference to getting old?

...you couldn't say... "you will be in a old folks home by then" or "you will be in a wheelchair by then", eh?
Oh wait, I guess that would cause confusion with those that are handicapped. ...apologies to my mobility-challenged brethren. sorry.

Anyway..., [b]in India, is 30 - 40 years old considered to be over the hill?[/b] ...'cause I know a lot of people that were bald by then. And I don't see them as even Middle-Aged much less Old! Of course I am speaking about men. I don't personally know any bald women (lucky beeotches). But I know it does happen. Bald women are scary.

[b]Baldness is not a sound indicator of age.[/b] Baldness is a condition caused by gender related genetic factors that can be accelerated by stress, diet and climactic conditions.

Remember... God made a lot of heads, and the ones he didn't like, he covered with hair.
He also gave us each only so many hormones, and if you want to use yours up by growing hair, that's fine with me.
I like to I think of my dome as a solar collector for a sex machine. [insert John Hiatt singing 'Solar Sex Panel'♪♫]

In a way, I wish you're statement WAS accurate, in that, by now I would be an expert in all fields of programming, development and technical support. Hell. I'd be haulin' down the big bucks!
Alas. That is not the case.
I have a few more years to go 'till then.

In the future, select a different benchmark for discerning that which makes someone feel or look old.

--- for those interested, F.C.K.U.M.A.N.* is now accepting new members.

*FCKUMAN = Follicly Challenged, Knowledgeable Underachieving Men of America Nonprofit

by shellbot

companies woul ddo thier own hiring, frankly i am tired of dealing with agents who don't know thier @ss form a hole in the ground.

I tell them i've 1 yr expience in .NET..all of a sudden they want me to interview for Development manager jobs..idiots..they don't even read cv's, they just keyword them and throw them out to ya.

Just once i woul dlike to talk to someone who can understand what i do, and what i am looking for.

I think companies are getting effed over by the agents cause they haven't a clue..probably passing over great people because they can't understand someones skills

*edit.i shoul dbe editing for the spelling, but i'm logging off anf going home :)

by charliespencer

Healing cripples, raising from the dead, walking on water, redeeming the souls of all mankind.

They've listed 15 years of technologies. Very few people are going to be "Experts" on that many technologies across that long a time span. If you're good at the older ones, you probably aren't good at the new ones. If you're an expert on the newer stuff, you may have never even see the older requirements.

by big ole jack

But I doubt they're going to find anyone to fill this pathetic excuse for a position...assuming it's not bogus to begin with.

by locrian_lyric

When I was in the depths of the IT slump (2002-2005) I found that companies would put out fictitous job reqs just to see what was out there, and THEN decide how many "real" positions to create.

If you see something like this out there, it may well be a fishing expedition.

by big ole jack

I too post an overly appetizing resume online to see how hot (or not) the IT market is. So far, I'm not liking what I'm seeing as IT is turning into a game where corporations are lowballing pay to the extreme. Oh well, if they wanna play, they're gonna have to pay!

by locrian_lyric

The headhunter who placed me in my current position was comiserating with me about the current unrealistic expectations of companies these days.

The IT job market has opened up, and the companies aren't acknowledging that fact by raising salaries or coming in with more realistic job reqs, given the market.

That's yet another reason they are clamouring for more H1B visas... the professionals are out there, just not for the peanuts they want to pay.

by big ole jack

It's the bottom feeders who scour the online job boards doing their stupid keyword searches that are a waste of everyone's time. I've only dealt with a few reputable recruiters in the last few years, but lately, they aren't even worth a gram of my own piss.

by locrian_lyric

I learned my lesson well these past few years.

I'd love to post the names of the ones that aren't worth the powder to blow them to hell, but I'm sure it would be a violation of TOS.

by big ole jack

I thought it would only be appropriate to include the original message in all its stupidity and grandeur.

by charliespencer

He's the only one old enough to remember Windows 95 and external modems.

Cripes, why is "SOHO" on this list?

by big ole jack

oh wait...they also missed the part regarding expert knowledge in X.25 switched networks and ZModem protocols.

by mdhealy

Doesn't this position also require familiarity with Kermit and IBM Hollerith formats?

by jmgarvin

They had CRM and I think BPM, so you might as well put in SOHO and other such nonsense.

by dr_zinj

I have card punch experience!

I may even remember how to build template drum cards for them.

I guess that dates me a bit.

ROTFLMAO!

by big ole jack

Why are all these stupid emails from recruiters with Indian names? Is this some kind of conspiracy?

Hello,
My name is Mihir Panchal. I am a Technical Recruiter with cyberThink. I found your resume while searching for System Administrator candidates for an immediate opening with one of our direct clients, a major financial client located at NewYork City,NY
Please find the specific job description below.
Kindly send me your updated resume in word format along with your exepcted salary if you are interested in below position

Position Description
Duration : Full Time
Title : System Administrator
Details :
- Working knowledge of Active Directory operating environment.
- Knowledge of scripting languages: VBScript, Powershell, batch, Perl, REXX or similar
- Knowledge of SyncSort Backup Express, BackupExec, NTBackup, Netbackup or similar
- Knowledge of scheduling / process management tools such as Opalis or AutoSys or similar
- Knowledge of basic SQL Server 2000/2005, Sybase, Oracle
- Excellent communication skills.

Urgent Opening
Client is Looking for only GC or US Citizen

MIHIR PANCHAL
Technical Recruiter
cyberThink Inc

1125 US Highway 22 West
Bridgewater, NJ 08807
Tel: (908) 429-8008 Ext 337
Email: mihir@cyberthink.com
website: www.cyberthink.com
Fax: (908) 429-8004

by big ole jack

I get one email every week from the dolts at Wipro and other H1-B mills. I pretty much told this fool to piss off because he'll never find anyone to fill this position.

by big ole jack

My answer is as follows:

Platinum member since 2001 with a $50,000 credit limit and 10,000 points racked up in frequent flyer miles. Next question!

by locrian_lyric

Yeah, I get hit with that one all the time.

Worse is, I have a VERY ethnic last name.

These H1B mills always try to get my to lie or exagerrate.

by big ole jack

and I always get emails about positions requiring fluency in Mandarin or Cantonese Chinese. The most Chinese I'll ever speak is to read the Chinese names of dishes in English from the takeout menu. :-)

by big ole jack

but reality dictates that it won't be happening anytime soon. The same goes for these positions that won't ever be filled.

by locrian_lyric

Hi,

We have an Urgent Opening at Raleigh, NC from one of our Direct Client. We are hiring on W2 contract basis, and consultant should be Green Card /US Citizen. Please send me your updated resume in MS Word format along with your Visa Status, Expected Salary , Contact Details and the best time to speak with you.
Please accept my apologies if this job is not of interest to you. If however you have a friend or colleague who might appreciate hearing about this job, please refer them our way!

* The Consultant should be able to work on W2
* VISA sponsorship is not available for this job.

Please find below the Job Description :

Title: Developer
Duration: 3+ month
Location: Raleigh, NC

Skills required:
-Visual Studio .NET 2003/2005
-VB.NET
-SQL Server 2000
-Visual SourceSafe
-HTML
-Object Oriented Programming
-Windows 2000 or 2003 IIS 6.0
-System Analysis/Design
-Crystal Reports
-JavaScript UML/Use Case Web Development

Thanks and Regards

| Amit Trivedi |
Pyramid Consulting Inc. | Phone: 212-381-1120 ext 607 |
| amit.trivedi@pyramidconsultinginc.com |

You can find me live on Yahoo/ Instant messenger
amit3582@yahoo.com

www.pyramidci.com

by big ole jack

I've gotten such crap from these morons as well. And for a 3 month project, I won't waste time working on W2, especially if the contract is for out of state work, such as NC in this case. I'd do 1099 only...no exceptions!. They aren't even offering benefits of any kind for a 3 month gig, so what's the point of doing W2? Employment should last more than 3 months in my book. Anything shorter than that should be on a 1099 basis, so that I can write off the taxes on travel expenses and such. It's better for them as well because they don't have to waste time on figuring out my tax withholdings and such. Just pay me in gross and I'll worry about the taxes myself.

by big ole jack

I also get emailed positions for help desk and desktop support at this point after over 20 years in IT. Gone are the days of the dot com boom of the 1990s', but if companies want skilled professionals, they had better be prepared to pay decent living wages, not peanuts suitable for H1-Bs' who live 20 people to a single small apartment so they can pay the rent.

by big ole jack

Hi,

You are invited to a people-intensive, on-the-edge of technology powered environment.

The leaps and bounds in growth by an organization are a direct result of the people who are a part of the organization and who continue to contribute year after year.

Wipro being at the forefront of innovation and being the world's 1st PCMM, CMM and CMMi Level 5 software Services Company, is also the largest independent R&D services provider in the world and is looking for talented professionals with suitable competencies.

We came across your profile on Monster.Com and found it of interest

To be a part of the immensely talented 'Wiproite' family we invite you to let us consider your profile.

The requirement for which we would be considering your profile is;

Requirement : " Team Lead (Server and Desktop Support) "

Location : New York, Carlsbad(CA),Monterey(CA) & Hightstown(NJ)

Skills:

a. Should be a Team Player and should be able to manage a team of max 5-10 members b. Expert on Wintel servers - Installing and trouble shooting Windows Server OS c. Good Knowledge of Proxy, DHCP, WINS, DNS, SMS and MS Active Directory, SAV ( all versions) and Patch management d. Install, Support and troubleshoot File and Print servers e. Expert on Desktop and Laptop Troubleshooting - Dell, IBM, Toshiba, HP, etc f. Excellent expertise in troubleshooting hardware and operating system related issues for Desktops and Laptops g. Backup, Restore and Tape Management planning h. Proficient on ITIL framework for desktop management like IMAC etc i. Excellent troubleshooting skills on Windows operating systems, desktop applications, LAN troubleshooting

you may mail a copy of your updated resume to manimegalai.krishnasamy@wipro.com

Please send me your updated resume to manimegalai.krishnasamy@wipro.com

Please enter the following details

Your Contact NO:

Present Salary per annum ( Amount/ NA/ Negotiable ) :

Expected Salary per annum ( Amount/ NA/ Negotiable ) :

Time Required to Join ( In Weeks ) :

Visa Status ( H1B/ GC/ EAD/ US Citizen/TN ) :

Convenient time for Tech. Interview :

Willing to Relocate within US ( If Wipro Provides Relocation Expenses ) -- YES / NO :

Willing to Work as a full time permanent Employee of Wipro Technologies --YES / NO :

Mention the preferred location According to the Job Location Given : New York, Carlsbad(CA),Monterey(CA) & Hightstown(NJ)

If you have received this mail in error do let us know or if the requirement is not suitable to your skills, mail back so we may look at your profile for other requirements of interest to you.

Do act on this at the earliest.

Thanks and Regards

Mega Krishnan

Sourcing Lead

US Hiring Team

Wipro Technologies

http://careers.wipro.com

www.wipro.com

by locrian_lyric

without exception.

Oh, and I had ONE group that wanted me to sign a non-compete clause before even INTERVIEWING with a client.

I told them to pound sand.

by big ole jack

I'll sign a non-disclosure agreement, which is fine, but I won't sign any non-compete contracts that will prevent me from furthering my career. I've seen such contracts that prevent one from working for any company within an entire region or cluster of states for 5 years tops. One has to be pretty stupid to sign their career away by agreeing to this crap.

by hal 9000

We do everything that you want and you just sign here to say that you will tell no one that we have contacted you. :D

Glad that I never made the move to the US as I think I would have gone insane. 2 Years in Germany and then back to AU where I worked for IBM for a while was more than enough overseas work for this Little Black Duck. I didn't mind the trips to the US for training and the like but working there full time wasn't on my books though I was offered enough.

Col

by charliespencer

You are invited to a people-intensive,
We're grossly understaffed.

on-the-edge of technology powered environment.
We only have brownouts in the afternoon.

The leaps and bounds
Jumping to conclusions, jumping on your @ss, etc.

in growth by an organization are a direct result of the people who are a part of the organization and who continue to contribute year after year.
You know, like a cotton plantation.

Wipro being at the forefront of innovation and being the world's 1st PCMM, CMM and CMMi Level 5 software Services Company,
Boiler plate buzzwords lifted from someone else's ComputerWorld ad.

is also the largest independent R&D services provider in the world
And McDonald's is the largest seller of hamburgers

and is looking for talented professionals with suitable competencies.
So we can outsource the work outsourced to us.

We came across your profile on Monster.Com and found it of interest
We're working our way through Monster listings and you were next alphabetically.

To be a part of the immensely talented
We've got a hell of a WOW team.

'Wiproite' family we invite you to let us consider your profile.
Along with everyone else we found on Monster yesterday.

The requirement for which we would be considering your profile is;

Requirement : " Team Lead (Server and Desktop Support) "

Skills:

a. Should be a Team Player
Long hours, low pay, no recognition, but we like it that way.

and should be able to manage a team of max 5-10 members
If your project needs 10 members, expect to get 5.

b. Expert on Wintel servers - Installing and trouble shooting Windows Server OS
NT 3.51

c. Good Knowledge of Proxy, DHCP, WINS, DNS, SMS and MS Active Directory, SAV ( all versions) and Patch management
More boiler plate, this time lifted from an MCSE description.

d. Install, Support and troubleshoot File and Print servers
You'll be expected to load paper and refill toner cartridges.

e. Expert on Desktop and Laptop Troubleshooting - Dell, IBM, Toshiba, HP, etc
IBM? Uh, you mean Lenovo, right?

f. Excellent expertise in troubleshooting hardware and operating system related issues for Desktops and Laptops
This differs from the previous requirement, how?

g. Backup, Restore and Tape Management planning
Use your personal car to take tapes to and from the off-site storage, on your time.

h. Proficient on ITIL framework for desktop management like IMAC etc
We need somebody to take inventory. The last guy that had your job ratted us out to the Software Publishers Association.

i. Excellent troubleshooting skills on Windows operating systems, desktop applications, LAN troubleshooting
This differs from requirements e and f, how?

you may mail a copy of your updated resume to manimegalai.krishnasamy@wipro.com
Pakistani accent preferred.

Please send me your updated resume to manimegalai.krishnasamy@wipro.com
I have to sent it twice?

by big ole jack

Pay rate is nice, but good luck finding an admin who knows anything about VBScripting, ASP.NET, and is also a DBA.

Hi ********,

I have a client in Stamford, CT with a contract right to hire position for a Systems Administrator! (you're assuming anyone wants to go from a high paid consultant to a low paid corporate slave of an employee)

The pay rate is up to $80/hr on a 1099 or C2C. It will be lower for a W2 (so why do W2 at all?). The duration until conversion is expected to be 3 months. The permanent salary range is expected to be from $100K - $125K.

I have provided the job requirements below. If you are a good match for the requirements for this position, please email me your hourly rate and your resume.

If you are not available or do not match these requirements, please feel free to forward this email to associates or friends that match the requirements.

I will contact those applicants whose background/experience most closely matches the job description below.

Sorry, no H1Bs! (awww..too bad because those are the types that would apply for this crap)

Thanks,

Bill Ruf
Senior Technical Recruiter
Resource Search Company
Office: 845-838-8947
Mobile: 914-213-8559
Website: www.resourcesearch.com

Job Description/Requirements:
1. Support of a global Windows Server 2003 and 2000 enterprise environment.

2. Requires advanced scripting and web tools ability including ASP, ASP.Net, VB.Net, VBScript, WMI, ADSI and MS-SQL.

3. Strong application server troubleshooting and performance optimization skills.

4. Understanding Active Directory, AD policy controls and file system permissioning required.

5. Working experience with current versions of VMWare and Citrix as well as HP DL * class servers, IBM blade servers and SAN storage desirable.

6. Active Directory, Install / Configuration Terminal Servers, Clusters, VMWare, Citrix. HP/Dell Hardware (Hands-on troubleshooting). OS install / troubleshooting.

7. Experience with large network environment

8. Good team player, not afraid to take initiative.

9. Great communication skills (verbal/written). (oh well, there goes the H1B qualification out the window)

by locrian_lyric

had three more positions open for the full life of the project.

I am one of maybe five people on the East Coast that had the qualifications required.

Then they foolishly let me go....

The job req is open again, LOL! Too bad, so sad. My consulting rate for THEM is 1000/hr.

They only have one full-time employee left at the company that knows what I know.

by locrian_lyric

We were originally a group of 4, then they laid me off back in 2001, five months later they had to hire two people and reassign two others from another department to do my job.

My old boss faught and faught for years to get me back. I finally went back as a consultant in 2006, worked miracles, and hints were made at getting my old position back (during the lean times, I did everything from drive a cab to load packages for FedEx.).

When I went back, it was a team of 10. 3 fulltime, 7 consultants.

when the project ended, they let all of us go except for one consultant (not me!) one of the full-time folks quit.

NOW,

One of the remaining 2 fulltime folks is very ill (I won't celebrate, because it's a friend of mine) and the other is ready to quit. The consultant is going back to India at the end of the year. He is independantly wealthy and can work anywhere. He doesn't need them half as much as they need him.

They are now SCREWED.

I'll throw a line out to my old boss, because he was always there for me, but the rest of them.... well, you know what they say about payback.....

by locrian_lyric

I've warned others about the companies like that. too.

"Excuse me? You expect me to sign something like that without even the PROSPECT of a job, much less an offer? EFFYOUVERYMUCH, but no thanks!"

by locrian_lyric

"We want someone worth 200K, but want to pay him less than half that (with no benefits..."

Hi

We have got the following position open. If interested, please revert with your updated word resume.

Microsoft Web Developer
Location: Quincy, MA
Duration: 12 months
Rate: $47/hr on W2 (No Expenses Paid)

The consultant MUST have.........
Microsoft VB Script.
Microsoft ASP 6.0.
Microsoft SQL Server.
Microsoft IIS and ActiveX web page controls.
C++ programming.
SQL.
Systems analysis with the ability to document.
Full lifecycle development (SDLC) process experience.

Desired Skills...........
Proficient with Microsoft Office
Financial services experience (i.e., assets and wealth management, custody, fund accounting)

Ram K Vutukuri
Pyramid Consulting Inc
Ph: 212-381-1120 x 218
Fax: 678-840-2108
Email: ram.v@pyramidconsultinginc.com
Website: www.pyramidconsultinginc.com
SEI's CMMI Level 4 CERTIFIED Company

NMSDC Regional Supplier of the Year 2004 (Class II)
Featured #63 of 100 Minority Companies by MBN100-2005
12th Fastest growing private company in Atlanta- (Atlanta Business Chronicle)

by big ole jack

I hope these H1B mills are reading our threads and seeing how stupid they look among the IT professionals.

This is in reference to your resume that I found on Careerbuilder regarding a job opportunity which might be of interest to you. Currently, I am looking for people who match the below description and I think you have the appropriate skills and experience for this job.

Title:Systems Administrator

Location:Stamford, CT

Duration:3 months

Job Description:Support of a global Windows Server 2003 and 2000 enterprise environment. Requires advanced scipting and web tools ability including ASP,ASP.Net, VB.Net, VBScript, WMI, ADSI and MS-SQL. Strong application server troubleshooting and performance optimization skills. Understanding Active Directory, AD policy controls and file system permissioning required. Working experieince with current versions of VMWare and Citrix as welll as HP DL * class servers, IBM blade servers and SAN storage desireable Active Directory, Install / Configuration Terminal Servers, Clusters, VMWare, Citrix. HP/Dell Hardware (Hands-on troubleshooting). OS install / troubleshooting.

Experience with large network environment Good team player, not afraid to take initiative. Great communication skills (verbal/written)

If you are interested in this opportunity, please respond back with an updated copy of your word-format resume. Please also advise me on the following details:

In addition to your resume please provide the following Information:

Your current Location (city and state) Contact number/Alternate number Are you willing to relocate, do you have any location restrictions, and do you have any preferred locations What is your current compensation What are your Primary Skills Legal Status - H1B Holder / US Citizen / Green Card Holder Date of availability.
What type of position are you looking for (tester, developer, etc.)
Best number and time to reach you
If you are currently available and interested in this opportunity, please call me ASAP at 412-894-8071. If you are not interested in this particular position, we do have many other opportunities available that I would be happy to review with you. Or if you are not available for this opportunity please refer your friends and let me know what date in the future when you may be available. Your resume will not be sent anywhere without your permission. I look forward to hearing back from you and working with you in the future.

Sincerely,

Preeti Sharma
Technical Recruiter | Mastech

Phone: 412.894.8071 | Fax: 412.291.3059
Email: preeti.sharma@mastech.com | Website: www.mastech.com

1000 Commerce Drive, Suite 500 | Pittsburgh,PA 15275

Compensation and other relevant details:

We are only looking for people willing to join us directly as W2 employees.
H1 visa transfers / GC sponsorship provided No C2C with 3rd parties
W2 salaried employees receive paid bench, benefits and may also be eligible for relocation assistance.
W2 hourly employees may be eligible for a tax free per diem.
About Mastech:

Founded in 1986 and headquartered in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Mastech is a $100+M subsidiary of the $270M global provider iGATE Corporation (NASDAQ: IGTE) that provides comprehensive consulting (I.T., F&A and Engineering) services for Fortune 1000 clients across North America. In each segment which Mastech serves, account management and resource delivery teams are custom paired for specific clients needs.

Over the past twenty years, Mastech has amassed more than 20,000 job placements at over 250 clients while averaging at least 5 years of experience with most customers. Mastech employs more than 1,000 people throughout the United States.

Mastech recognizes the importance of a warm and welcoming corporate culture for our employees to thrive and to achieve their professional and personal goals. In addition to having a diverse, open environment, Mastech focuses on creating and maintaining a professional environment that is both exciting and enjoyable to work within. Treating each individual with respect and professionalism, and welcoming feedback from our employees on how to continually improve and refine our corporate culture. For more information, visit www.mastech.com.

by oz_media

Tell the recruiter to P-off. Any recruiter who sends a "you will be interested" job description to you is a complete joke. Especially when they add, "if you know of anyone else who may be interested...."

This is recruiter that is completely incapable of recruiting, they are filling seats not finding a good fit.

Now, as for qualifications, first off the description is as much of a joke as the spammer claiming to be a professional recruiter (you don't really waste time with these yahoos do you?!?!?) But...there are more and more multi-talented people who will fill such positions.
Some kids with no job finding skills will attend school, two weeks after graduating they feel they need another cert in order to find work, and so on. After many years of IT training, they have a bunch of outdated certs and no skill(s). They would be highly enthused by such an idiot sending them a job description and would waddle into line wiht all the others, hoping for that job to be handed out to them.

But lastly, who in their right mind would want to work for such a company that obviously has no idea how to find a real recruiter and no idea what skillset to seek?

If I ever got such email myself, I would have contacted the recruiter and freaked out for the email in my inbox and blocked future mail from the fool.

Noce job description: "6 months +- going till the end of this year right now. Highly likely going into 2008."

Really, THIS year???? RIGHT NOW??? WOW!!

Who wrote that shite?!?

Block it and find a job yourself, screw recruiters they haven't a clue nor a care in finding YOU a good job. In fact if you fill a seat for a year and they have to find someone new next year, all the better for them. They are usually paid a percentage (8-24%) of your first year's wages.

When starting out, they simply seek to fill a seat in order to pay the bills, they couldn't care less for who or with who. A seasoned recruiter finds YOU what YOU want and matches it with a fit with a company that actually wants YOU.

by big ole jack

here on TR. I don't need a job because I am self employed and run circles around these recruiters and their H1B jokes of candidates.

by oz_media

This forum has been chock full of idiots who are at the end of thier rope as they complain about having hoards of certs but revruiters never call them as they get lost in the stack.

It just gets SO tiring to see all of these people, who are trained to think outside the box, complaining that the most useless and common method is not working.

I JUST went back to work for an employer again on a contract basis, it's been quite a while for me too, but it was someone that I targeted, cold called and sold my ideas to.

I WANTED to work for them, I went to them. As for recruiters, especially the fool who's info you posted (I've had a few good ones sent to me too)they are a complete waste of time. I do know of a few professional agencies, but they also teach you to get your own career, at $4000.00+ they don't throw out resumes on your behalf or beg people to apply. That's just a farce, and yes I appreciated your posting in humour.

by oz_media

I am a British subject but live with under permanent status in Canada.

If my employer wants to send someone just about anywhere in the world (except the US of Alien's)I can go with few working restrictions. Usually doesn't matter how long I need to be in there, UK, Aus, India etc. there's no limit for me and there's no waiting for Visa's etc. so it's a better investment for the employer.

P.S. I do see that in the US it's an issue of fence jumpers though.

by big ole jack

His response:

Hi *****,

I strongly disagree with you! We are not like Wipro because we don't take people from overseas and pay them half what they should be paid. (and paying $80/hr for what should be 3 separate positions is?) We are not a body shop! (could've fooled me) We help to find positions for people that are looking for one. (and what kind of positions are those? the ones that drive us into the ground with exhuberant responsibilities?)

That being said, I agree with you that it looks like a combining of more than one responsibility! (no sh*t Sherlock!) Unfortunately, we have to play it as the client calls it. (well tell your client to get real and create 3 positions instead of one!) Although ASP, ASP. NET and VB.NET may be a bit of a stretch (ya think? No...can't be) , I have talked to Sys Admins that use VBScript and WMI for server automation and have a good understanding of ADSI. (Really, because I know many sysadmins and not one of them deal with ASP and very little with VBScripting, if at all, because that's what developers do, not admins)

Also the client doesn't always get what they want in their shopping list (really? I wonder why that is??). I try to get as close as possible but I often submit people who have 80% what they are looking for and they get interviews. (yeah, and I know a guy who's been on one such bullcrap of an interview, only to be told he wasn't technical enough for not knowing VBScript, SQL Administration, or ASP.Net so don't waste anyone's time nor insult their intelligence any further..thank you very much!)

Thanks,

Bill Ruf
Senior Technical Recruiter
Resource Search Company
Office: 845-838-8947
Mobile: 914-213-8559
Website: www.resourcesearch.com

My response:

Hi Bill,

Sorry, but I am not interested in work anywhere outside of Manhattan or Westchester County. Also, with all due respect, this position makes no sense because no admin I know of, including myself, does scripting in VB, ASP, nor manages SQL, which is a separate job for a DBA to begin with. They are combining what should be 3 different positions into one because they don't want to spend the money to hire individually skilled IT pros to fill these roles. I've seen such nonsense from H1B mills like Wipro, but would have never expected it from you guys. You do realize this position won't be filled anytime soon because of the unrealistic job requirements. You claim they don't want H1B, but with these requirements, that's all they'll get unfortunately based on what I'm seeing and hearing from my colleagues and other professionals in the field.

by dogknees

So, if my business only employs 15 people, I need to hire 5 more to look after my systems and write a bit of code?

Not every company has the means to employ an entire IT department.

For 12 years, I was systems manager, programmer, analyst, database manager, network consultant, installer and helpdesk for my employer.

What's wrong with you people? Can't learn more than one thing? Or just can't be bothered?

I expect anyone calling themselves an IT professional would be able to cover any or all of these positions.

Now I don't have a problem with you not covering the gamut of skills, just don't call yourself a professional!

by big ole jack

and your "attitude" is why us "professionals" don't want to deal with companies looking for a one man show. Yes, we are professionals, and we are capable of learning, but there is only so much time in the day to do it, and many of us have other obligations (family is one of them) to consume all of our time cramming new information into our already saturated heads. Professionals are NOT omnipotent and we don't know every technology under the sun because we all have our specific specialties. That's reality...live with it or find someone else to stress over your peasly low paid job offer.

P.S. Don't call yourself a network admin if all you know are bits and pieces of the technology.

by locrian_lyric

I can handle c, c++, c#, vb4, vb5, vb6, vba, MS office macros, some minor DBA work, some UNIX shell work, HTML, XML, DTDs and a number of other things.

But don't insult me by asking for the full use of my skills while wanting to pay me as a junior programmer.

by big ole jack

Just because they are a small business does not entitle them to special treatment or gross abusive of IT professionals by demanding that one have 20 different skills.

by captbilly1eye

This discussion has given me a lot of good laughs and your comments brought back some OLD laughs.
Ahhhhh... the good ol' days. :)

sabotage was such an easy game back then.
LMAO

by null.corey

I actually thought that he meant that you'd pull all your hair out by then, and wasn't using it as an indicator of age.

For the record, I was bald at 30.

by captbilly1eye

He should have used the word 'hairless' instead of 'bald.

artificial, self-induced baldness is another matter all together...

;)

[I guess I should have edited and considered for the English-challenged.]

...besides... it was just a joke. ...Are you sure that hair is not the only thing that went over your head? :^0

by big ole jack

but not how to perform an authoritative restore of AD using NTDSUTIL. That's why there is so much turnover in helpdesk because the corporate dolts that hire helpdesk staff expect helpdesk to know as much as the 3rd level systems engineers. Reality dictates otherwise.

by hlore

Is there a site where one could find a list of just what duties are appropriate for various positions?

When I think of Help Desk, I think of someone to answer questions like, "My mouse won't move." Or "Word has an error and won't shut down." I'm reticent to give a help desk position admin rights on the servers at all, even if that person is only supposed to unlock accounts. Is there a way to lock down just what an account can perform both on the server itself and in Active Directory?

by big ole jack

That's what delegation of rights is for in AD. You can lock down the abilities of help desk to only a specific set of permissions without having to give them any admin rights. AD gets pretty granular with this stuff. I suggest you read up on delegation of rights on OUs', sites, and domains...it's pretty cool stuff.

by rwise

I read something recently about a law firm that was giving advice on how to hire H1B workers at lower salaries and avoiding hiring American workers. These types of ads would fit that scheme. HR would refuse to interview anyone without an H1B as "Underqualified" and then hire an H1B worker for less money.

by big ole jack

I have colleagues who were told during an interview that they are "not technical enough" because the company was really looking for a low paid H1B, but couldn't explicitly spell it out without getting hit with an EEO lawsuit on the grounds of discrimination. The guy had over 20 years of experience in IT and they had the audacity to tell him that he was underqualified. He was qualified alright, but he wasn't qualified to work for the peanuts they were offering.

by locrian_lyric

this BS is a DIRECT RESPONSE to the resurgance of the IT field in America.

There was no crisis of IT workers when we were all working at McDonalds at 8 bucks an hour. Only now that IT folks started going back to work at decent salaries did this 'crisis' appear.

by orka1998

They have no idea who they are hiring, but they are the ones posting adds. This is going on for a very long time. It used to shock me that they expect programmers to know every single language that's out there, but they have no idea that usually you specialize in only few. Until you show up there, usually you don't even know what they need, but maybe on the second interview.

by big ole jack

instead of the recruiters telling the morons in HR to pull their collective heads out of their asses and get realistic about the job requirements. I've gotten into heated arguments in the past with recruiters and idiots in HR because I told them that they should be cleaning toilets and scrubbing floors instead of writing up job descriptions about things they know nothing about. It's rare these days to find recruiters who even know what I'm talking about or understand more than a few buzzwords on a resume.

by michael

I have a friend who is a recruiter and I asked him about this. Many recruiters will throw out as many certifications and related terms on a posting as they can find to increase their hits in the search engines. According to this, anybody from high school student computer lab aides to Bill Gates would get hits on this description. It gets them loads of resumes and looks like their marketing and advertising is better than another company that only has one or two really qualified people apply. It makes weeding out the unqualified masses alot harder. Bad business practices. Like someone else mentioned, if you can find the original job descrtiption, that is the way to go.

by big ole jack

A trained chimp can run a keyword search by scouring the job boards all day long, but it takes a skilled recruiter to actually read the resumes and understand what's in front of them. Simply because one mentions "Cisco, Linux, or VLAN" on a resume does not make them CCIEs' or Linux admins. Just like I tell users to RTFM (Read the F*****G manual), I tell recruiters to RTFR (Read the F*****G resumes)!

by locrian_lyric

I do know some recruiters that are getting these ludicrous reqs from companies.

The one I used *is* pushing back on them.

by big ole jack

and turn their agencies into "body shops" where they could care less if they placed a dog in a IT job so long as they get their commissions.

by locrian_lyric

This headhunter took more than an hour to learn about me in person.

She submitted me to precisely TWO jobs.

One was a near-miss, the second was a direct hit and a PERFECT FIT.

She also has a reputation for excellance. She gets her comissions because companies that deal with her know she's NOT a body-shop.

Because of that fact, when she says "this job req is unrealistic" they believe her.

by enriquehernz

I hope this company is ready to fork over tons of a cash for the right candidate. It looks like they are looking for a Jesus Christ of some sort. Able to do just about everything in the Technology field.

I'm more amazed at the duration of the job, it seems to not even be a permanent solution. Since when are Net Admins rentable? These companies lack an IT deparment or too cheap to keep one as permanent staff.

by big ole jack

For instance, if I were a consultant pulling in a rate of $80/hr, why in the flying f**k would I want to accept their job offer for a yearly salary that would equate to $40/hr? I'd rather be unemployed than hurt my own career because salary history will work against me in the future. Forget the benefits and all that corporate crap they throw in, because base salary is what pays the bills, not all their snazzy benefits and stupid perks, assuming I want their benefits, which are my choice to accept anyway. Yes, employees should expect to make less than hourly contractors, but not take such a lowball hit on salary. With that said, I'll think I'll stay a contractor because I'm not in this business for my health. This is a profession and this is my bread and butter...so pay up or shut the hell up.

My motto is "Sorry, but I don't do freebies or favors at my expense"

by big ole jack

Job requirements are as follows:

*Willing to long hours for low pay and take it up the rear as we see fit.

*Must have extensive experience in everything, even products not yet developed.

*Willing to fix our home PCs', even though it's outside of the scope of work.

*Must speak and write in English clearly without slurring speech or resorting to Ebonics.

*Only qualified IT hos will be considered, so please send us your resume for immediate consideration.

by kyser soze

Looks like a job for the State of Florida. I live in the capital and subscribe to the tech ads, just for laughs. I estimate they would advertise this job at 40 to 70K, then pay no more than 10% over minimum.
Anyone who thinks I am exergerrating can search the tech jobs at MyFlorida.com for a sick laugh.