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by clbrooks97

Let's see. The processor is now Intel. The OS is now (roughly) BSD Unix. I claim that within 5 years Apple will be out of the computer business all together - and the fabled Mac GUI will be licensed to various software vendors as a competing style of window manager, akin to KDE, Gnome, Fluxbox, etc.?

And you're absolutely right. If you're a Mac-only ISV, the writing is on the wall. Time to diversify.?

by bensil

Good points. Apparently, Mac apps have to be modified for the Intel platform, so anything other than the native Apple programs don't run optimally. There is a freeware program, Boot Camp, that allows the Mac to dual boot as either a Mac or a Windows machine, and the Windows apps run faster than they do on a PC. It looks like you are right; Mac development is in its "last throes." I see Apple becoming a software company in the not-too-distant future.

by j sheesley

Admittedly, I?ve been on a bit of a tear lately about all the
hype surrounding the new MacIntels. Rather than just being viewed as the nice
machines they are, and a logical upgrade path for Apple development and Apple
customers, anymore they?re being viewed as practically the Second Coming. With
an Intel chip stuffed inside the box FINALLY the Mac will take its rightful
place at the top of the computer world and Windows-based computers will be
relegated to the ash heap of history. Or so we?re lead to believe.

I?ve tried to point out that one common hysteria point is the
ability of a MacIntel to be able to run Windows natively and why
that didn?t matter. I?ve also pointed out that even the ability to run
Windows applications under Mac OS is a bad
idea. There are just a few more things about the Mac left I?d like to talk
about.

I read an article by famed computer pundit John Dvorak where
he said that what Apple needs to do is to open-source
Mac OS X
. The theory was basically
that with the Mac being able to run Windows, Mac users may decide to run Windows on their
Macs rather than OS X. Therefore the only way to save OS X was to release it
into Open Source where it would take hold, be rewritten to run on PCs, and
squash both Linux and Windows in the process because it was so much better.

Missing in the article is any reason why doing so would
benefit Apple at all. At its core, (no pun intended) Apple is a hardware
company, not a software company. Mac OS X provides the proprietary operating
system that Apple needs to justify the higher prices for its computers over
anyone else. As I?ve said before, if
Apple is put on a level playing field with Dell (or HP, or Lenovo, or Toshiba
for that matter), it will be squashed. Apple?s profit margins would have a bigger
bite taken out of them that its logo.

This is the main reason why you?ll never see MacIntosh clones
as was suggested by someone who commented on of my blog posts. Don?t forget
that once upon a time there were indeed Mac clones such as Umax, Radius, and DayStar. In the mid-90?s
Apple hoped to grow market share on the backs of clones making the Mac OS more
acceptable. What really happened was that Apple?s profits crashed because they couldn?t
charge enough for royalties to offset the lost hardware sales. One of the first
things that Steve Jobs did when he returned was to pull the plug on Mac
clones. He won?t be revisiting that any
time soon.

Steve Jobs doesn?t want to be Michael Dell. Dell creates large profits, but does so by
selling large quantities of machines with a slim profit margin. Jobs wants
those profits too, but he wants a larger profit margin on each machine to do
so. In order to have a larger margin, he must differentiate the Mac enough to
justify the higher price point.

That?s why you have Macs running different hardware, a
different OS, and constantly being redesigned to be eye-catching. Yes, they?re
probably even engineered better than your run of the mill Dell under the hood
too, but they HAVE to be in order to justify the price.

The Mac is always going to be a niche machine. As such, Apple
can command a higher price for it and a higher profit margin. Doing anything to
make the Mac more mainstream, whether it?s running Windows, Windows apps,
creating clones, or open-sourcing OS X, threatens the bottom line and risks
pulling Apple down to Dell?s level.

Steve Jobs knows better and wouldn?t let that happen to his
baby. He?d much rather have Apple command 5 ? 10% of the marketplace, keep what
he views as Apple?s high standards, and let everyone else fight for the rest.

by fr_gough

I've long come to the conclusion that Dvorak is simply insane.

Mac users WANTING to run Windows? Good grief, they bought a Mac so they wouldn't HAVE to run Windows. The only reason we run Windows at all is because there is some program out there that we have to use because we're stuck in a Microsoft world. But as far as wanting to run the OS? Please.


I suspect that even Windows users don't really want to run Windows, they either don't know any better, can't afford a Mac, or feel they have to for compatibility/support reasons.

by ironfist03

Until apple/mac's have a 3 button wheelie mouse and a command line don't count on anyone ditching opensource linux or windows anytime in the future..  Sure the graphics are superior to windows machines but if you are using any publishing or presentation software such as photoshop, pagemaker, or powerpoint on a windows platform and then start using a mac regardless the swiftness of the os and hardware your work thruput will suffer at least 20% because you no longer have the right click and its myriad popups and selections.. oh, and did i mention how netadmins loath mac's because of no command line to trouble shoot connectivity problems.. oh to be able to do even a simple a ping from a mac.. the ability to do an nslookup from a mac would make netadmins positivily giddy..

by rpmyers1

ironfist, what are you smoking?


Macs come with a three button scroll Mouse, at least iMacs do.

As for command line:

$ nslookup techrepublic.com
Note:  nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases.
Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead.  Run nslookup with
the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing.
Server:         172.16.1.1
Address:        172.16.1.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   techrepublic.com
Address: 216.239.115.148

$ uname -a
Darwin Eris.local 8.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.6.0: Tue Mar  7 16:58:48 PST 2006; root:xnu-792.6.70.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc


by pcg-system

Hi,
Your conclusions are correct. The underlying reasons for them could use
a deeper analysis. While the economics of higher margins & lower volume
make a lot of sense,at Apple is it the driving force or is it the enabling
force? Success allows Apple (under Jobs) to continue to focus on innovation,
integration and usability. It would appear that other companies first consider
what market they want to be in, then what product they must have to dominate
the market, then design it. Apple has provided a counter example to
that strategy, where something well thought out and implemented can
be sold at a profit without having the enormous volume. The volume may
come (can you say Toyota?) You point out that they couldn't compete with various
companies on a level playing field. Except for Dell, every company you mentioned has not
turned a meaningful profit on their PC products in some years (and Dell just announced it's first profit decline)
For Toshiba, laptops are like a loss-leader at the grocery store. If Lenovo didn't buy IBM,
they probably would have bought HP's PC business; they aren't making a profit, they are protecting
the pipeline for their manufacturing output. HP's printer division is the cash cow and commercial
server support pays the rent for the cow barn. The PC business is break even at best.
Apple is aware enough of their place to make sure QuickTime, iTunes & iPod support
programs are windows compatable.
Oh well, back to work. thanks for the chance to think about something for a bit.
hurf

by pickleman

Honestly, who really cares about Macs or Apple anymore?
Let it go already.
If they haven't been able to get beyond a 5% market share over the last 25 years, they sure as hell won't be doing that now.  By making their "MacTel" machines, they've basically admitted defeat and have announced to the world that the only way they can stay in business is by abandoning the whole Mac design and essentially just building an "IBM clone".  But this isn't really new, seeing as how Apple has been slowly but surely making this shift over the last 10 years.  Remember how Apple has always touted their "superior" machines because they always had SCSI drives?  And how every Machead mocked the PC with its IDE drive?  How many Macs have been built with SCSI drives within the last 10 years?  Exactly.

So now we're going to have a "Mac" with the internal guts of your everyday Wintel machine.  By definition, those machines will no longer be Macs.  Period.  They'll be just another over-priced PC, much as an IBM or HP.  The only thing that will give people any indication that they're using a Mac is the fact that they'll still undoubtedly have the multi-colored Apple logo on the machine, and they'll be running OS X.

A logo doesn't make a machine unique, so that leaves nothing but the operating system.  Apple will no longer be able to tout their "superior performance", because the performance of a Mac will be no different from any other PC on the market, seeing as how they'll be using the same processor, same motherboards, same memory, same hard drives, etc etc.

So what's really gonna change?  In my opinion, nothing.  Software will still be scarce for as long as MacOS is the operating system of a Mac, and Apple's market share will remain in the single digits for as long as they continue to sell overpriced machines that are 99% hype and 1% unique.

Yawn.

by fvrba

One of the biggest Mac clone company's was Power Computing.  Apple bought them and shut them down.  They changed their Web site and bashed Apple for about a year afterward.  I bought two of their computers from Mac Warehouse.  At the time, our rep from Mac Warehouse said Power Computing was outselling Apple branded units by at least 10 to 1.

by cpalmer

Apple has always been misunderstood, it seems now more than ever. I agree there will never be clones and that they will never open source OS X. They have too much to lose to do so. Apple "at it's core" is a computer design company not a hardware company. They actually have more software products than they do hardware. They are unique in that they are the only consumer computer company that makes the software and the hardware.
Their strategy IMHO is simple. Apple creating hype to allow users the capability to run windows on a Mac brings curious customers into the Apple retail stores to check out the new Macs allowing their highly trained sales staff to educate them about the value in the Mac platform. Apples primary focus lately is clearly centered towards retail customers, i.e. opening stores all over the world and building brand awareness with the iPod. The average consumer who doesn't know the difference between a computer running windows vs. one running OS X, wants to buy a computer for some or all of the following reasons: Making home movies, printing digital pictures, making a homepage, playing games, surfing the web, listening and/or making music, burning CD's & DVD's, sharing files etc... Apple does these things very well, their iLife software makes it easy and that is where the real value in the Mac lies. Dell, HP, Gateway and the like all bundle software with their computers but the software they provide is low end garbage and the applications don't work together in the same way that the iLife apps do. Apple has already won the hearts over of many music lovers with the iPod and they aren't stopping there. Meanwhile millions of frustrated, average computer users are sufferening from slow PC's running windows laden with spyware, viruses and crappy software. The average computer user is losing trust in MS as a result of this. Apple is IMO doing exacty the right thing at exactly the right time. Vista is lagging, people are bored and frustrated with their windows boxes and Apple is a cool and realistic alternative. Add to that the ability to run existing windows apps is a HUGE plus. It eliminates the "I can't buy a Mac cause it doesn't run my CAD program" problem. People can continue using the software they are familiar with while being in a more stable, less frustrating, easier to use operating system.

by kaysveistrup

Insert comment text here Have read your comments of late regarding Apples demise if they move to an Intel processor and the logic of your arguements are undeniable. If they move into the cesspool of standard computer manufacturers I fail to see how they will still be able to command higher prices for a product that is similar to the rest. PLEASE Apple, don't do it, remain different to the rest and maintain your high standards, reliability and looks. The world wants a choice.

by chief125

right on target

increasing profit and market share each quarter can be a path to ruin

bigger is not always better

being satisfied with product, service, profit and market share is not a

disservice to share holders.  it is a fallacy promoted by "business wizards".

 

 

by bart

Absolutely bang on Brother. Apple can command a premium because they make a better hardware, then integrate it seamlessly with OS X. All the while sticking to standards and offering the best network interconnectivity tools posible.

by jjpengr

Good comments and right on the mark. As a long time Mac user (at home) who deals with Windows at work, the Mac is clearly superior. The only reason for running Windows on a Mac is to be able to use Windows only applications. I currently use Virtual PC to run a couple of engineering apps that are Windows only on my Mac Powerbook, and it works fine. But, for everything else I use Mac applications.

You are right about Apple serving a higher end niche, but they also provide a far better integrated hardware / software solution than the Wintel machines.  See Walt Mossberg's column in yesterday's Wall Street Journal.  By integrating hardware and software to handle music, video, and photos in an easy to use manner, Apple blows away the commodity mix of items that are harder to integrate in Windows.

by Erik Eckel

Yes, Apple is a hardware company. Most people forget this when they begin comparing Apple's market share to Microsoft's. Microsoft is a software company (for the most part, although there are exceptions such as keyboards, mice, gaming consoles, etc.). Apple built its success mostly on its hardware (iMacs, PowerBooks, the new MacBooks, iPods, etc.). That's why hardly anyone complained when the company moved to OS X about six years ago (and how could they; it's a better OS).

The Intel-powered machines are still Apples, just much faster Apples. Bootcamp will enable Apple to capture an additional percent or two (maybe) of the market by pulling a few more Windows users over that otherwise wouldn't have switched (fearing they still need to be able to run a proprietary Windows program). Considering the development costs, and the value of another percent or two of market share, the move will prove wise.

Does that make the new Intel-powered Macs the best new technology out there? No. But with continued delays in the release of Microsoft's next desktop OS, it's encouraging (at least to me) to see hands-on proof of continued tech innovation available now to consumers.

by yobtaf

Face it pal, you're another Windows user who's envious of the Mac OS and the success of Apple and Steve Jobs (who is now a major player at Disney). Windows only became the OS monopoly it is, because of the proliferation of inexpensive PCs during the price wars of the 80s and 90s. If you look at the who the 5 - 10% of the market that Apple has, you're not talking about the average home user. It's mostly people involved in the arts and media. Average home users don't want to spend the extra money and businesses are too deeply invested in Windows to even consider changing.

If history had been different and IBM had not been so hasty to get into personal computing, we may have had other OSs to choose from. I don't want to belittle Linix but it came along too late and I suspect that it too will always have it's own small niche market. And I don't know enough to explain Commodore's failure.

Monopolies are bad for everyone and Microsoft is one of the worst probably because it's the biggest. Like all monopolies Microsoft will fall some day. Until then you will just have to rant and wait for Microsoft to come out with its next belated version which is always heavily influenced by what Apple already has.

That's my rant.

By the way, I have both a Mac and a PC, and will keep it that way.

Viva la Difference

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by doogster

I've never been all that great at predicting how a dramatic change will affect a company, but I hope that Apple does whatever it needs to help increase its market share, because competition is almost always a good thing.  I use Windows at home and and work, but I'd love to try a Mac and check out the differences - I bet it's more intuitive and fun to use... it's gotta be.

Why do I stick with Windows at home?  Mainly because I can't afford the Mac's higher prices (hey, I have a family and live from paycheck to paycheck).  I like the fact that I can slowly swap out cheap PC parts as needed to upgrade my system.  Sorry Apple, I just can't afford your alternative!  If price wasn't an issue I probably would be using a Mac at home.

If Apple would really, truely, offer some type of a program to assist us cash-strapped folks to switch over to a Mac, I'd definately give it a go.  Some type of deep discount for PC users combined with a trial-period Mac would be awesome, albeit only a dream.  I'm tired of the Windows world.

by davemori

During my days in high tech in the Silicon Valley, I often had occasion to feel as you do about Dvorak and the industry pundits.  They frequently "don't get it" or don't completely understand because they have never had to be a manager or director in a company that built and shipped computer hardware products.

The MacOS is Open Source based.  It does not need to increase that level and become freeware.

Apple's purpose is not a Microsoft-like total 100% domination of the market.   Apple's purpose is simply to be profitable and create products which generate value to its customers and shareholders.   It can be profitable without massive market penetration and dominance.

Dell isn't doing so hot, lately, and companies like Gateway are right on the border of disappearing.  At least Steve Jobs does not have to cook the books and falsify results.  Apple is profitable and has a strong stock price.

The reason that Apple pulled the plug on clones in the late 1997 was not so much that they competed for hardware sales.   Lost sales were a complaint by Apple field sales, for sure, but the rather fixed supply of PowerPC processors meant that clones could not really eat up that many sales.  There was a far bigger issue as far as Apple was concerned.  The biggest issue was that clone manufacturers were tweaking the hardware and violating the specifications for the Common Hardware Reference Platform.

Their contracts with Apple said that if a Mac OS licensee deviated from the design specs, they had the responsibility to do whatever engineering and testing was required to create enablers, patches, etc. that ensured that their solution was stable and did not generate compatiblity issues with the MacOS and third party applications.  The clone makers did not do that.  Some of them simply went out to the local electronics stores, ordered a pallette of shrink wrapped Mac OS 8, and dropped it into the box with their hardware without testing at all.  They just dumped all the support issues on Apple.  I believe that MacWeek said that the tech calls from instabilities create by the clone companies was costing Apple something like $5 million a week.

 

 

 

 

by angel.martinez2

I have been working with Macs and Windows for many years.  True, Macs lend themselves to art and media much better than Wintels.  True, Mac has had many connectivity innovations over the years.

Also true, Apple is a niche company.  Truthfully, if iPod sales went away...so would Apple.  5-10% of a market share is not enough to sustain a company and maintain innovation.

I think that going with a Wintel platform could be good for Apple, provided that they don't completely abandon existing successful platforms.

To all you Macheads, change is good.  Regardless of how you feel, this is a Windows driven world and is not likely to change any more than taxes are likely to go away.  To succeed and grow, Apple must adapt. If you have a problem with Apple's strategy...you can always buy a Wintel. 

by kjkjlaut

I see the Mac on Intel as finally admitting that their top of the line has never been as fast as even a mid level WinTel machine.  Only a few want it, and no one it their right mind would buy one just to buy Windows to put on top of it.  Proprietary hardware makes fixing and upgrading one too expensive and difficult, (don' tell me they don't need fixing, I have been there). The only advantage it has is OS X but if it is slower and doesn't have the software apps as easily and cheaply accessible who cares? I agree, a niche machine for those that like proprietary,  non-customizable, homogenized products, with huge mark-ups.

by ives

If I were apple... I'd be positioning OS X to fill the gap where Linux desktops are failing miserably (high-performance desktop interface on top of *nix).

With the move to Intel, the marketing for the hardware & OS should be separated. This would allow greater sales of the MAC hardware & greater sales of the MAC OS on other Intel boxes. The cost of the hardware might actually come down for the average Mac user.

by guidomuldoon

Running Windows on a Mac is like inviting mad ebola monkeys to move into your beautiful, perfect dream home. There may be advantages....I just can't seem to think of one.

by bart

John Sheesley writes: Running Windows applications on the Mac doesn?t give the Mac any TRUE advantages. The whole article seems to written from the point of view of a Windows user who cannot understand the reason Mac users buy and use Macs and Mac software. If Adobe said it will now stop producing Mac software the whole article would not only make sense, it would be prophetic. The real reason Mac users may want to run Windows is beacause they have always wanted to be able to do everything they want. They demand the best hardware, the best software and now whatever damned Operating System they want. The Mac is gaining SERIOUS traction and unless MS throws out its OS with the shaky foundations, it too will be history. Bring on Vista and we'll see, after all, there's no hiding from Mac users now, they can compare Apples with Lemons side by side.

by j sheesley

When I?m not producing content for you here on TechProGuild,
one of the things I like to do is go out on the lake with my boat. It?s not a
fancy yacht by any means. It?s just a small 17.5 foot Bayliner motor boat. I?ve
had it for a few years now and even though it?s never the biggest nor the
fastest thing on the lake, it always gets the job done.

One of the things you learn early when boating is to make
sure to follow a procedure when getting ready to go out on the water. You want
to make sure you have all of the equipment on board and that everything is
working fine. If you don?t, you?ll quickly have a bad day.

Recently, I took my father-in-law, who?s also an avid boater,
out for the 2006 Maiden Voyage. We?ve
both been boating long enough that setting up and getting ready has turned into
somewhat of a reflexive routine. We just do what?s necessary to get the boat
ready, pop it in the water, and off we go.
This time was no different ? almost.

We got everything ready and onboard with no problems. We backed the boat into the water, and while
on the trailer, I fired up the engine. Usually after sitting most of the
winter, it sputters and complains and never wants to start on the first try.
This time it fired up on the first crank with no problems. This was a very good
start indeed. I let the engine warm up a little bit and then backed the boat
off of the trailer. That?s when it hit
me.

?Did you put the plug in the back of the boat?? I asked.

"Ummmm. No? didn?t you??

For non-boaters, there?s a drain plug in the bottom of all
boats that allows you to drain water OUT of the boat at the end of your trip.
Normally, you leave the plug out when the boat is on the trailer and then ideally put the plug IN before
launching so the boat doesn?t sink.

In the midst of all of the routine, both of us had forgotten this
key step. We're both pretty experienced boaters and should have known better. But we just overlooked it.

Fortunately, we were able to get the boat back on the trailer and out
of the water before the water got TOO deep in the back. After a few minutes of
draining and then putting the plug in properly, we were off for a good
afternoon.

It?s easy to fall into a routine and miss key steps when
doing things. This is especially true when it comes to IT. Even when you?ve done something a thousand times, it?s important to
follow a
careful procedure and go through things step-by-step. This is just as
important whether you're an experienced IT Professional or if
you're looking at a system for the first time. If you don?t you,
could wind up with computer
viruses, spyware, malfunctioning software, or worse. You could even wind up at the bottom of a lake.
You can
never tell.

by sprogg2001

lol :)

This reminds me my 14 footer twin hull/engine boat has twin livewells ( for the non fishermen/women these are storage areas in the boat that you flood with water to keep fish in alive&well ;) until you release them.

Well after a productive day fishing, we tied up on the jetty and boasted about the days catch over a few cold beers, that were quickly offered. I forgot to check the livewells were properly sealed and drained, and the next morning waking up after way too many beers we went out to load the boat only to find it was GONE! before I started screaming thief at the top of my lungs I noticed the mooring line was still attached to the jetty and disappered straight down into the murky depths, the boat had sunk overnight!


by lammygeek

Actually, Firestone and Bridgestone are now one in the same, and Bridgestone is the official tire supplier to Ferrari's F1 team.  Still, a cute example, but unfortunate choice of words.

by gus

I was using Novell when it was 2.2 . I went to class to get my CNA. Novell forced my small shop to keep upgrading which was expensive at the time for a small service company in rural areas. Our main jobs were law offices with maybe 3 to 5 stations. We couldn't sale enough to stay a member of the big red club. Novel forced many small operators in to changing to Microsoft just becasue the volumes weren't enough. I'm now the Technology coordinator and we have 1500  computers and 40 servers. I'd rather deal with that than Novell.

graynor

by timseery

The question has been and is anyway going to be is "What does Novell be when it grows up?". This constant struggle with Microsoft has prevented Novell from finding itself and a market. GroupWise was and is a good product, NDS/EDirectory was and is good product, ZEN Works was and is a good product, only going to prove that the company can deliver. But it appears to me that Novell is making the same strategic error; betting the business on the wrong product at the wrong time.

Novell can be relevant but it has to stop wasting time trying to create new and shallow markets. There is a very limited market for Linux desktop in the enterprise just as there is limited market for MacOS and Solaris on the desktop. Focus and expand on core strengths and stop trying to go head to head with Microsoft on every little product. For example create Identity Management products that are tightly integrated with Active Directory, port GroupWise to Windows/AD. Rebuild the disbanded consulting practice, sponsor more tech/learning events and improve product support. ? That how do it, that how you win!

by dippleydokus

Blah blah, natter natter. Jeez. The very complaints everyone has about Novell is what Microsoft is doing in the present.

The only "strength" MIcrosoft has is the perception that one doesn't get fired for buying Microsoft. That's how it was with IBM not very long ago, and where is IBM today, as a player ...? Of course, Microsoft does play to its strength. :-)

Microsoft is involved in hardware, games, application software, litigation (to make sure nobody can compete ... just look at Lindows and MikeRoweSoft) and Lord knows what else. And people claim that MS is specializing in NOS development?! Give me a break.

Is Microsoft "better" than Novell? Is the Pope Baptist? <g>

Duh!

by andy goss

"News.com points out that most of Novell's own employees haven?t
made the switch
from Microsoft products to open source ones."
No, News.com does not make that statement. It reports Ron Hovsepian,
Novell's president, as saying that "about 2,000 employees right now out
of 5,000 are single-boot
only, which is Linux only, the rest are dual-boot.".
I don't know what that means to you, but to me it looks like 3,000 old
Windows PCs have been dual booted, which is the only realistic way of
moving to Linux in a continuous working environment, and 2000 new PCs
are single boot.
Novell have got so much wrong in the past that I am amzed they are
still around, witness all the postings above, but I can only wish them
well in their bold attempt to make it back to the big league. We need
diversity, and we need active competition to stimulate real innovation.
And I don't mean Windows Live.

by dreonn

Can we get an article on how to install Mac os X on my intel machine that is currently running Windows.  is it possible?  I would like to try.

by j sheesley

I've been kicking around Linux in the form of SuSe
Professional 10.0 for some time now. I'm running it at home about 80% of the
time now on an old HP Omnibook 900 laptop. It has been a pretty good experience
overall, but as I've related here, it hasn't been completely without
problems.

I've used Red Hat 7.0 ? 9.0 before and have always walked
away from Linux shaking my head. I chose SuSe Professional 10.0 as my Linux
distribution of choice primarily because of its relationship to Novell, whom
I've always had a good opinion of, as well as those bad Red Hat experiences.
However, Scott Lowe recently finished a series for TechProGuild about the Red
Hat?derived Fedora
Core 5, so I thought I might give Fedora Core a look.

Having a spare hard drive for the Omnibook laying around that
wasn't being used, I decided to download and install Fedora Core 5 on it. That
would give a fair comparison ? running SuSe Professional 10.0 and Fedora Core 5
side-by-side.

I was initially very impressed with FC5. It runs like a charm
on the HP. The installation was even better than SuSe's YAST installer. I also
noticed that FC5 was faster than SuSe 10.0.

There are probably several reasons for this. First FC5 uses a
different Linux kernel than SuSe 10.0.
FC5 uses the 2.16 kernel as its base while SuSe uses the 2.15 kernel.
I'm sure that the programmers working on Linux are constantly tweaking the
system to improve performance.

Secondly, FC5 defaults to GNOME 2.14 as its window
manager. KDE 3.5.1 is included and can
be used as an alternative. Conversely, SuSe 10.0 uses KDE as its default desktop.
As I've chronicled
before, the included version of KDE with SuSe 10 is a dog, but it has been
quite tolerable after upgrading to KDE 3.5.2. SuSe 10.0 ships with GNOME 2.12
as an alternative.

The choice of a window manager is relevant because of the
overhead they place on the system. When booting FC5 under GNOME 2.14, the
system instantly consumes 88Mb of the 384Mb RAM in my laptop. By comparison, SuSe
10.0 with its default KDE window manager gobbles up 245Mb RAM, leaving only 140Mb
for applications before hammering the swap file.

Interestingly enough, if I swap each distribution to its
alternative window manager, the difference remains. SuSe 10.0 under GNOME consumes 115Mb while FC5 under KDE takes up
225Mb. In both distros, GNOME is more efficient than KDE. Also, under identical
window managers, FC5 seems to be more efficient than SuSe 10.0.

I'm sure I don?t have either distribution tuned properly to
maximize RAM usage and am running some needless services. For example, until I
started going through some startup files and removing some entries, KDE 3.5.2
took up 323Mb of RAM after bootup. Therefore, I'm sure there are somethings I
can do to both distros to make them more efficient.

So after using Fedora Core 5 almost exclusively for 3 weeks,
what do I think of it as a Linux distribution and compared to SuSe Professional
10.0? More on that later.

by justin james

For that type of RAM usage, you might as well be using Windows XP. Where I come from, your UNIX is command line only, no window managers allowed, unless it's thin clients connecting via X. Even then, 90% of the time they are just using it as a glorified way of having a bunch of shell sessions open, so why bother?

J.Ja

by eric.talbot

For home usage FC5, is much better than FC1-4. The Hardware support looks more efficient. My TV adapter on previous version was not working at all and now it is perfect. Same thing for my 2 sounds adapters. Furthermore for those who uses non-ascii character, it now works well. On previous versions i never been able to get this to work as an XKB message appeared on each and every login but it is no longer true. This is certainly the best Fedora ever.

Regarding RAM utilization, if you do not customize the installation, lots of things are installed and therefore uses RAM. You cannot compare RAM utilization between SUSE and FC if you just don't make sure the same packages are installed.

by hopefulcoder

Fedora is the worst linux distro i have come accross.!!! Ubuntu and suse are a lot better .....thats my experience

by crake

Hi John,

I appreciate you sharing your experiences with Linux. It is great to see more exposure to these distributions. Yes, Linux has its share of issues, but I cannot think of a single flawless system - although AS/400 and Novell are pretty high on my list :-)

After you kick the tires on FC5 for a while, you should also try CentOS - another Red Hat derivative. I have found it to be quite cooperative and robust. We have been running our Oracle DB on it for about a year now and it has been nothing but reliable and well-behaved.

I'd be interested to know the particulars about Linux that have you shaking your head.
If shaking your head refers to stumbling blocks and/or shortcomings in Linux as an operating system, they can easily be turned into opportunities to improve the system, especially as they relate to the particular distribution with which you are working.

That is the beauty of open source. You are free to submit bug reports, collate with other developers, and even discuss issues with the original authors of their respective applications or components.

Not every issue has a resolution. Many applications written for SuSE Linux 8.0 have fallen by the wayside because they could not adapt or not enough bugs could be resolved for the application to remain a feasible. This means, with several exceptions, usually only "best of breed" applications will thrive over the long term in the OSS community and beyond.

Several excellent examples of this include the Apache Web server, Mozilla Firefox & Thunderbird, Shorewall/BSD Firewalls, OpenSSH, Sendmail/Exim/other MTAs along with Spamassassin & Razor, Squid Proxy Server/Squidguard/Dansguardian (many schools use this), N-able (commercial), Nagios, mrtg, Ethereal, and many more.
Of course, one would expect most of the bugs to be worked out by the time we are offered a release candidate, but I have come to realize that this is not always the case. I, for one, am willing to deal with that and happily accept the challenge to help the OSS community. I like the fact that I can contribute both fiscally and technically. It is well worth it to me... especially considering the alternatives.

by parkwhite42749

The company I work for has extra support systems to shore up Windows servers. We have security scanners, automatic updates and antivirus. By contrast, our Netware servers require none of these.
There are Netware 4 servers actually still in use pretty much as they were the day they were brought on line. Contrast that to Microsoft NT4 servers and their forced retirement.
How does Microsoft get away with it? That's what Novell needs to find out!

by j sheesley

I got a call the other day from a company that I do
consulting for from time to time. The lady in charge of Human Resources had
lost some data that she needed recovered. It was a very important interview
with someone who was filing a sexual harassment complaint for the company and
she had gone to a remote site to perform the interview.  She used a computer onsite to type up the
interview and was bringing it back to the office.

How did she bring it back that cause her to lose data?  Drop
her laptop?  A corrupt attachment to an email? A scratched
CD-R? Maybe she accidentally poured a soda over her USB memory
stick.  Nope, none of the above.  She had lost data the old
fashioned way ? by
storing it on a bad floppy disk. Fortunately, at least it was a 3.5
inch floppy
and not a 5.25.

I was prepared to have to take the disk home and maybe use
some utilities I have to revive dead sectors on floppy disks, but I didn?t have
to go to that much trouble. She had tried copying the files from Windows
Explorer, which failed when it hit the bad sector. Dropping to a command
prompt, I was able to move the file using the old COPY command. I did have to
Ignore and Retry a few times, but eventually the file moved over.  There were a few formatting issues, but she
didn?t lose any of the important parts of the interview so she was lucky.

It had been a while since I got a call about a bad floppy
disk. You don?t see them around as much as you used to.  Once upon a time, 1.44Mb seemed like acres of
space to store data on, but with today?s ever larger files, floppies just don?t
cut it. Combined with the ubiquity of writable CDs and USB memory drives at
ever falling prices, floppy drives are definitely Last Millenium.

I still have a couple of boxes of floppies at home. They?re
mostly actually old 360K 5.25?s for my Tandy 1000. Surprisingly enough, those
old floppy disks don?t go as bad you?d think even though none of them are less
than 10 years old.

I stick to the memory sticks for most portable storage things
although a CD-RW is pretty universal. It will be interesting to see what comes
out next.  In a few years, we?ll be
chuckling about the people that are still using USB drives.

by leonard.rogol

The company I work for writes Managed File Transfer (MFT) software.  As long as an Internet connection exists, this is by far the quickest and safest way of moving and managing files. See --> www.iqswift.com

 

by petedude

I dunno. . . I still consider floppies useful for VERY small file transfers, but yes, they're becoming less and less common-- not to mention increasingly less reliable as you point out.

by j sheesley

As I mentioned in a recent post, I?ve started
playing with the Fedora Core 5 Linux distribution. I?ve been running SuSe
Professional 10.0 for several months now and decided maybe I should take a look
at Fedora Core 5 as well. This was mostly prompted by some articles that Scott Lowe has
recently done on the topic, but also has to do with wanting to get a first hand
look at what?s driving the Number 1 Linux vendor Red Hat. 

As I said before, Fedora?s installation went great. And being
based on GNOME 2.14, the interface is fast and reasonably friendly. Compared to
KDE, it?s restrictive, but it gets the job done. Linux founder Linus Torvalds
once described GNOME as being ?developed by interface nazis, where consistently
the excuse for not doing something is not 'it's too complicated to do', but 'it
would confuse users'.? He may have overstated the point, but it IS a little
restrictive.

Fedora?s PUP updater works really well. It?s even better in many
respects than SuSe?s YOU updating utility. Both of course make Microsoft?s
Windows Update look silly by comparison and do much more than simply update the
operating system. Both of them will check installed application packages as
well and help to make sure you?ve got the latest versions.

My one main gripe about Fedora Core 5 is what?s missing. I?ve had to
jump through a lot of hoops installing additional RPMs left and right to make
FC5 do the most basic of tasks. First, FC5 ships with the Helix Player which
doesn?t do a very good job of playing RealMedia files. To fix that problem I
had to download the actual RealPlayer 10 for Linux.

Although I can?t fault FC5 for it specifically because SuSe had the
same problem, I had to download a ton of RPMs in order to get any of the
players to recognize WMV media files. In both distro?s cases, I also had to
upgrade the installed media players to newer versions which meant scrounging around
the Internet. Fortunately, I discovered PackMan which was a big help for
SuSe and RPMFind
which helped find the latest versions for FC5.  

What was probably most annoying in FC5 was its complete
inability to play simple MP3 files. The first time I tried to play one, a podcast from
TechRepublic
, I was greeted with a reasonably irritating message saying
that due to licensing and patent restrictions in some countries, MP3 support
wasn?t included. This, of course, had to make me run around and find additional
RPMs to get around that problem.

Now, as a computer guy, stuff like this can be annoying, but
you know how it is. You?re not going to let the machine stop you from doing
something, so often you?ll go the extra mile to make it work. For typical end
users however, things like this present a barrier to entry and cause people to
go fleeing back to Windows. It?s also a reason, which I?ll discuss later, why I?ve
given up on eCommStation.

There are several other minor annoyances which have caused me
to pull the FC5 hard drive out of my laptop. (Such as its infuriating tendency
to wake up IMMEDIATELY after you try to put the laptop in to Suspend.)  For now, I?m back to using SuSe Professional
10.0. SuSe
10.1 has recently been released
by OpenSuSe and I hope to see what?s new
with that soon.     

by jnhannah

I have been playing around with various Linux distributions for some time. I am primarily a Windows user, and have been for many years now. I would class myself as an advanced computer user, who likes to dabble with different operating systems.

My main OS is Windows XP home.


I installed Fedora core 5 on my machine a couple of days ago. As you mentioned in your article, the install was a breeze. My HP printer PCS 2100 was discovered and set up correctly. However, I got the impression that Fedora 5 appears to be for those people who don't necesarily need to play around with additional settings or advanced configurations. I am far from being an expert Linux user, but I felt that I didn't really have as much control of the OS as I might with either Mandrake or Suse.


The major problem I ran into with Fedora 5 was that I could no longer dual boot and start Windows. I still have to have the ability to use Windows because of my wife.


Fedora had me running back to my version of Suse (9.0), which I like, apart from the fact that I have a problem with my all in one printer scanner. Perhaps a later version of SuSe was resolve this problem.

I do like using Linux, don't get me wrong, but I just want the thing to work. I don't really want to have to go chasing additional RPMs and spend hours trying to get a printer to work. This is primarily why I tend to go back to using Windows - everything just works. I know that a lot of work is done by th entire Linux community in the writing of all the various flavors of Linux along with all the various packages within these distros. The work is admirable, but for me it still just mises the mark. I would put Fedora into this category. It's close, but no cigar.

by eldergabriel

I agree that fedora's out-of-box experience leaves a little to be
desired (especially compared to PCLinuxOS), but once properly
configured (by a friend or a pro), linux newbies will find it enjoyably
useful, meeting their day-to-day needs.

From a root shell, just (copy and paste) do:

rpm -ihv http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/5/i386/RPMS.freshrpms/freshrpms-release-1.1-1.fc.noarch.rpm

This will add the freshrpms repository to the GUI package manager, at
which point, adding all the "cool" stuff becomes a breeze. I would also
recommend the livna repository, which includes the mplayerplug-in (a
god-send for streaming videos):

rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm

In regards to the out-of-box mp3 support, it's interesting to note that
not even MS Windows had this for the longest time, also for patenting
and licensing reasons. There was a 3rd party plugin for windows media
player that had to be purchased separately. At that point, i used to
just go download and install winamp to be able to play mp3s in windoze.
It's been a while since i've tried to play an mp3 file on a default
windoze installation via windows media player, so this may have changed.

by crake

Hi John,

Thank you for mentioning the PackMan repositories. PackMan has become an invaluable resource for putting together a complete, fully operational distribution, including SUSE and FC (and CentOS as well) and their being media savvy. Using PackMan, I installed MPlayer, proper DVD, Windows, and Apple codecs, and all dependencies for these - and other packages - in just minutes instead of having to scour the Internet.

Fedora Core and SUSE should just include PackMan in the list of update resources.

Regards

by sir_cheats_alot

Well you Obviously had better luck then i did with FC5 after install.   My install wouldn't even boot from grub like it is supposed to.  I had to do this manually.   I checked my CD's before the install process as it recommends, and they checked out fine.  NOTE TO OTHERs Don't install on secondary Hard drive.

I have recently aquired a copy of SUSE (10.1 i believe) i haven't had a chance to install it yet.  so i'm going to check that out in a week or so.  After that i might see what Mandriva now has to offer.  I migh settle with Ubuntu, SUSE or Mandriva...we'll see how things go...i have also heard some nice things about PClinuxOS, so i might give that a look as well.

by j sheesley

Last week, Jason Hiner?s blog mentioned that his first
computer was a
Mac Classic. He also created a
discussion that asked other TechRepublic members what their first computers
were.

My first computer was actually a TI 99/4a. This was a
computer that my parents bought when I was still in high school. It was a nice
little unit. Texas Instruments actually sold a lot of them in the early 80?s
but got scared when IBM entered the market with the PC and bailed out.

As you can see from the image below, the TI 99/4a was all
integrated in once piece, kind of like the Commodore 64. Mine had a whopping
16Kb of RAM. I forget the speed of the processor, but I don?t think it was over
1Mhz.

There was a cartridge slot on the front that you could use to
play games with. You could attach a joystick to it. For external storage your
basic choice was a cassette recorder.
(Yes, like the kind you record voice on.) To get any real work done however, you needed
to drop several hundred dollars on an expansion kit that would take you to a
phenomenal 64K and could host full height floppy drives. We never got that.

The first computer I purchased with my own money was a Tandy
1000. The Tandy 1000 was Radio Shack?s first successful IBM compatible. Its predecessor, the Tandy 2000, was actually
more advanced than the IBM PC at the time but wasn?t compatible enough and
died a slow lingering death.

The Tandy 1000, shown below, was actually a clone of the
ill-fated PCjr. As such, it ran all of
the regular programs for the IBM PC, but had an enhanced sound chip and better
graphics than the basic IBM PC. You could run 16 colors at 320x200 where the
basic IBM CGA graphics limited you to 4 colors. It wouldn?t be until the mid
1980?s when EGA became more popular that you could run that many colors on an
IBM compatible.

Tandy 1000

I went ahead and bought some of the extras for it. An
internal 300 baud modem ($175 ? 1200 baud was just TOO fast and TOO
expensive). A 2d half-height 360K Floppy
drive ($150 ? no FULL height floppy drives like those PCs). I didn?t
immediately get the color monitor - I stuck with a green screen.

I also didn?t get the extra memory at first. The Tandy came with 128K of memory which displayed in
giant numbers when you booted the machine. My roommate who was a Computer
Science major took a look at it the first time it started up and said ?128K?!
What are you going to do with THAT much memory??.

Actually ? nothing. You could do hardly anything in 128K with
a PC-compatible. The first thing I did to buy an expansion board to
take
it to 640K. Then I got an external 10Mb hard drive. And a color
monitor. When I outgrew the 10Mb hard drive, I put an internal 40Mb in
it which is still there.

My last major purchase for the computer was a 286 accelerator board for it that sped it up
about 6 times. The card had an 8Mhz 80286 with a ribbon cable on it. You?d disconnect
the 8088 CPU that came with the computer and plug the cable in. Then you?d put
the card in an available slot, load the DOS device driver in CONFIG.SYS and
zoom? off you went.

I still have my old Tandy 1000. It?s sitting on my desk in my
home office. It?s a great little machine and it still works. I also use it as a
baseline to remember how things used to be and as a measure against modern day
computers.

For example ? I have a copy of Windows 2.03 installed on it. I
can turn on the Tandy, have it go through its startup routines and boot
DOS and Windows 2.03 before my 3.0Ghz Dell here at the office boots Windows
XP. How?s that for 20 years of progress?

by tech locksmith

Remember the 1000 well, I think I still have mine in the barn sitting next to my PS2 Model 80 and some other antiques most of which ran when I retired them.

But the first one I actually bought was even earlier, the CoCo.

In fact, I used to write for the magazines which supported the CoCo and 1000 (Rainbow and PCM) but my very first was a 4K Radio Shack terminal which later grew up and became a CoCo.

Still, they seemed like a great advance after having to work with punch cards and time-share.


BTW, the Tandy-oriented magazines were based just north of Louisville in a small shopping mall - small world, I still write for a publication in Louisville.

by rickdesigndad

My first computer was also a Texas Instruments TI 99/4a.? It was also a gift from my parents at about the same age as John - upon my graduation from high school.? It was really great seeing the photo in John's column - it brought back a lot of memories.? I remember staying up all night trying to program basic sound and graphic presentations - something we take for granted today, but that was so difficult and time consuming back then.? This would foreshadow my career as a graphic designer and a film editer 25 years later.? I also, like John, never was able to get the "expansion kit", which would add a floppy drive and additional enhancements.? It was prohibitively expensive, but was something I was always hoping and praying for.? I was, unfortunately, relinquished to using the TI 99/4a's default cassette drive method the the data recording of my reports, creative writings, studies, etc.? This was a seriously flawed system, as it required saving every few moments - the TI 99/4a was not a particulary stable system - and the cassette method was slow - requiring the recorder the spin the cassette back and forth over and over again.? But this was the early days - the Macintosh (my second computer and the first I purchased myself) was several years off - and the TI 99/4a got me through college without too many lost papers!

by j sheesley

Don?t you just love provocative headlines like that? The
first thing that pops to mind might have been ?Ah, he?s talking about the new
dual core CPUs that Intel is shipping.? or ?Oh, that?s probably a something
having to do with lower power CPUs for laptops".

Nope. In this case, I?m talking about Intel following AMD?s
lead in abandoning 386 and 486 CPUs. AMD abandoned their 486 and 586 line back in 2002.
Intel recently announced that they would no longer be producing 386, 486, and
some other RISC processors after
September 2007
.

Although not an earth-shattering announcement nor one that
will probably shock the computer industry, but it?s interesting from a couple
of angles. First, there?s the whole history and End-Of-An-Era thing that the
production end means. Secondly, there?s the Wow factor that Intel has still
been able to sell these CPU classes 15 years after their peak popularity.

From the historical perspective, the 386-class CPUs changed
the entire PC industry. Back before the first George Bush was in office, the
386 CPU ushered in the era of 32-bit computing that we?re only now starting to
see the end of. By adopting the 386 before IBM, Compaq put itself on the map
and lead to the overthrow of the entire IBM PC empire. Mated with Windows 3.1
and then Windows 95, the 386/486 entrenched Microsoft at the top of the
software industry.

People long forgot about those CPUs. Before the turn of the
century the Pentium line and its successors had made the 386 and 486 CPUs
essentially obsolete. The CPUs have lived on as embedded processors, still
crunching data bits inside of devices such as network controllers and data
acquisition devices.

So, even though Intel will still be cranking out the creaky
silicon for another year, the end is on the horizon. While we?re pounding away on dual core
processors and looking forward to 64-bit and quad-core processors for every day
use, all we can say is ?The King is Dead! Long live the King!?

by j sheesley

Microsoft finally
ships
its long awaited subscription security tool OneCare Live tomorrow.
OneCare Live is Microsoft?s entry into the security realm dominated by third
parties such as Symantec and McAfee. It combines a firewall, anti-spyware, and
anti-virus tools along with such things as backup and performance tuning. Not to be outdone, both Symantec and McAfee
are offering
their own new tools
.

Jason Hiner has previously
mentioned in his blog that he?s excited about OneCare and plans to use it
at home once it ships. I?m still very skeptical about OneCare.

Oh, I?m sure that Microsoft has done a good job with the
product and that it does exactly what it?s designed to do. I?m also reasonably
sure that it will drive Symantec, McAfee, and others out of the market,
especially when the corporate version becomes available. I also don?t buy the
argument that just because Windows has a reputation for being buggy and full of
security holes that you can?t trust a security product from Microsoft.

So why be skeptical?

I guess it doesn?t have anything to do with OneCare itself.
Rather, releasing a security product for sale like this makes me trust
Microsoft as a whole less. The reason for this lessened trust comes from a parallel
argument made by those people who wouldn?t trust Microsoft with security because
they think Windows is so bad. My reason is based on the inherent conflict of interest that a vendor has
selling an operating system and then charging you to keep it secure.

In selling a subscription product that secures its systems,
what incentive does Microsoft have to truly build security into their
products to begin with? Sheer altruism? Ask Netscape, Lotus, IBM, Corel, Novell,
Ashton-Tate, Borland, and Computer Associates how altruistic Microsoft is. The answer is there is no incentive.
Microsoft gets to play lip-service to security with Vista and other products and
then offer to take more of your money via OneCare for you to be truly secure.

It makes much more sense to me to have security products like
antivirus bundled with an operating system. By including it for free, I?d be
more willing to trust the system as a whole because the company wouldn?t be
profiting from their own mistakes or the willful destruction of others.

Why is it more important to bundle something like a media
player which is completely irrelevant to an operating system, but not something
like security? And it?s not like
Microsoft doesn?t have a history of bundling anti-virus with its operating
systems. DOS 6.x came with anti-virus, but it mysteriously disappeared in Windows
95.

Of course the reason they don?t bundle it is because they can
make a lot of money from it. If there was a way to get a revenue stream
directly from a web browser or a media player, then you?d be paying for IE and
Windows Media Player as well.

Here?s another thing that confuses me. If Vista is supposed
to be so secure, to the point that as George Ou advocates in his
blog
you don?t even need
anti-virus or other security products, then why is Microsoft now entering the
market? Could there be something about
Vista, Longhorn, and Office 2007 that Microsoft isn?t telling us? What are we
supposed to believe?

See? This is what I mean by the conflict of interest and the
questions that OneCare raises leading me to trust Microsoft a little
less. I want a system that I can trust to be secure or at least backed
by a company that won't profit from its own mistakes.

by ss

"If Vista is supposed to be so secure--to the point that, as George Ou advocates in his blog, you don't even need antivirus"

Oh, I can't wait for that one to come back and bite him on the butt ... not since the infamous '640k should be enough for everybody' quote, has anyone set themselves up for such a big fall.

Spencer Steel

by psomerset9

Once MS sells a copy of Windows, the revenue stream stops. They accept the obligation to issue updates to correct vulnerabilities and to fix bugs. If they were to bundle security software into the OS, would we expect them to provide virus definition updates into perpetuity? That just doesn't seem fair.

The existing model is (in these representations, the parentheses enclose a purchasable package):

(OS)  +  (Third-party security with annual subscriptions)  (1)

Microsoft is proposing this model:

(OS)  + (MS Security with annual subscription)  (2)

I believe the correct model should be:

(OS with Security software) + (annual subscription)  (3)

You might argue that (3) is the same as (1), but it is conceptually different, and it makes clear that the annual subscription pays for the additional work in researching, tracking, developing countermeasures for viruses, worms, Trojans, spam, etc., and issuing updates for these threats.

W/r George Ou's comments, I think it's right to expect MS to make their product resistant to hacks, buffer overflows, DoS attacks, etc., but the fight against malicious software will probably never stop because there will always be clever goofballs out there who just like to break things.

by cmbowe01

I agree that MS has to be careful to avoid conflicts of interest but we've already seen what happens when MS bundles programs or features with their OS. If they are successful then they are hauled into court to defend their choice to integrate and possibly forced to unbundle. The courts attempt to protect and argue for the customers' best interest but they don't really seem to consider what the customers want. Microsoft's case in the EU is a prime example. Practically no one there wants to buy a Media Player free version of Windows yet Microsoft is still required to provide it. It may be good for competition but it's not what the customers want. So now it seems MS has learned from all its time and expense in court and has chosen to keep its security bundle separate from the OS. Can you really blame them.

by conceptual

Just as an extended warranty becomes most valuable to the seller when it's never needed, OneCare is most valuable to Microsoft when the operating systems covered are most secure. It's simple, the idea is to do the least amount of work for the money. The less secure the OS the smaller the profit. Time alone will tell if they made the right bet, but securing the perimeter is usually better than depending, solely,on a panic button in your bedroom.

by bud fields

My thrust, originally, has been already (it seems) written in the responses. I would like to point out, however, that if one were to look beyond the native fallability of MicroSoft's code crunchers, and objectively take a look at the violent shift in direction the entire corporate structure has taken in the past three years, there are some important determinations to be made here.

No system operating software is impervious to malicious attack, save the one that sits in a locked firebox in the safe. And, there is not much room to argue that the Windows OS family is the most prevalent system in use.

No OS group has been more of a target for malicious attack, regardless of size, configuration, capability, or price point than MicroSoft's products.  Let's set aside the reams of paper it would take to list the reasons,  possible reasons, or even imagined conspiracies behind this fact, for this discussion anyway.  The fact remains that MicroSoft has been, is now, and will be for the foreseeable future, the attack-point of choice for anyone wanting to write, test, or deploy malicious programs.

If, for no other reason, MicroSoft has achieved the lowest trust rating in the industry for its code.  Would you agree?

From '95 forward, the corporate mentality has been "response" - oriented to every threat that has been targeting Redmond.  How many security patches do you think the MicroSoft guys have created in that time?  Could we agree, as well, that they have gotten pretty good at identifcation, threat assessment, and innoculation?  I think it is also valid to say that, at least in this instance, they went outside their own capability and sought the knowledge, capability, and effective solution-building of the very best anti-virus, firewall, and spy blocking teams in the world to assist them. 

They have learned a lot about system security since '95.  In several cases, they paid what could be legitimately considered (even for them) unrealistic costs for their education (Anti-trust, unbundling, etc).  Their arrogance notwithstanding, this is a lesson that has not come cheap.

About two years ago, I noticed a very barely, yet suspiciously point-specific change in direction from the boys in the Norhwest.

They started talking about things like "predictability", "advance-warning", (I love this one) "prophylactic programming" in their upgrades and new systems.  Instead of "response", it was "preparation".  They began (at yet another astounding corporate financial outlay, I might add-this one voluntary) taking the notion that, since they had the most to lose, they also had the most to gain by creating avoidance strategies.  And, at least to me, the most amazing thing of all is, that they created a new design paradigm around this concept.  "We know you are out there.  We are coming, and we are going to hunt you down." Okay, perhaps they are too far west, but still....

When the MSN Premium Service came out, just like AOL and others, McAfee came along as a trusted partner.  Symantec chose to decline the offer, opting to maintain its independence.  This massive response team, writing patch after patch after patch (and still thousands behind, even as we speak), turned direction en masse into a forward-thinking, and forward-looking team.  What will be the next threat?  Do we really believe that people outside this corporation know our programs better than we do?  Why are we accepting that?

And, they didn't. And for the past two solid years, MicroSoft has been re-directing their immense but not yet monolithic corporate character to pre-determinant technology.  Yes, there are still malicious attacks that get through, as we have seen even within the past two weeks.  But, what haven't we seen?  How many threats have been neutralized by, for instance, the seventy-seven security patches that I had to download when I created a new home network last week with software that included SP2 before the updates? One Care Live is a next-generation technology that leaves the known providers somewhere behind.  The McAfee Security Center that is, even as I type this, guarding me (and you) came with my Premium subscription.  One Care is part of the next generation.  I'm going to live to see it (Lord willing), and I fully intend to be a part of it.

To me, the issue is not us having to pay for their errors.  In the first place, they HAVE paid.  Secondly, the dramatic change in the corporate philosophy (while perhaps a few decades late) is one I can subscribe to. I don't particularly care why it was made; I am thankful it was made. I do not believe that, to subscribe to One Care is to be forced to pay for the inadaquacies from Redmond.  I believe it is the opportunity to be the first to be protected from the threat we do not yet know about.  You know that those boys in blue do not do anything cheap, or halfway.  Well, okay, Millinieum notwithstanding. Don't miss my point.

The amount of resources that MicroSoft has, is, and will be throwing into the concept of "preventative design initiative" is not only, as far as I am concerned, appropriate (and long past due), but worthy of my encouragement and support. Somebody from across the pond sends an email that talks about a potential threat, and what happens today (as opposed to the stream of notices that jammed the inboxes with the '95 beta)? Not only do they listen, but they invite participation in the solution.  I just don't know how much more an example needs to be seen.

No one is more sceptical than I (God, I love Delphi!) of anything MS.  But, to see the evidence before me and ignore it is not reasonable.  Trust, but verify.  So far, the things that I see are worthy, and I am thankful for them.  So thankful, in fact, that I am a One Care subscriber.

I'll let you know how my theory obtains.

 

 

by automationguy

I couldn't agree more.  I'm not necessarily anti-Microsoft, but it doesn't make sense for a software vendor to profit from a product that provides blanket security for their own OS security shortcomings.  Build AV functionality into the core OS and you might make me believe that you have my best interest at heart.  Of course, the likes of McAfee, Symantec, Grisoft, and others probably wouldn't care for that much.  On that note, I don't think that OneCare will threaten the third party vendors much in the way of market share as long as OneCare remains a seperate subscription based product and not something that is built into the OS core.  People are typically pretty faithful when it comes to a preferred AV product.  Kind of like Mac v/s PC, Linux v/s Microsoft, or Ford v/s Chevy.  Every line has its devout following. 

by tmanisback

Insert comment text here I am in complete agreement.Why not free, to fill the holes in MSN "swiss cheese", programs, to assist their "customers" ?

by garydobbratz

Why should One care be free when Symantech and Mcafee charge for theirs and in my case norton said i had a virus when in fact ididn't becuase it miss read a file huuuum buggy Mccafee stops email from tech republic because it may contain harmful material. I have been running one care and so far it seems to work just fine. I add an adress to my docs it tells me I need to back up becuse before I would forget to when busy and have lost stuff because not thinking deleted it with out backing it up, shame on micro soft for reminding me.

gary

by oz_ollie

This is just another reason to actually learn about computers and use a secure operating system. Microsoft Windows will be an insecure OS until they start from scratch and write an OS with security in mind. Apple did this with OS X - no applications written for OS 9 or below will run natively on OS X (there is classic mode used during the change over but it was better option to not even install this option). Unix and similar operating systems like Linux, the various BSDs, Solaris, etc have security built into the OS.

This fallacy that Microsoft is targetted the most because of it's prevalence doesn't really hold up. The vast majority of web servers are running Apache on one of *nixes and have 100% Internet connection time - this makes a much more attractive target, and at various stages they have been attacked (including the attack on the root servers a couple of years ago) - and security flaws have been found. However, usually these flaws have not resulted in the entire system crashing - it has affected the particular service that has been patched quickly because of the openess of the source code for these applications or components.

However tne point I do agree with George Ou on is that anti-virus software shouldn't be required on desktops. Most ISPs are starting to scan all e-mail before sending and delivering actually takes place - this is the ideal place for virus detection and deletion. Filtering at this level, along with intelligent port scanning/blocking/filtering, should quickly stop the spread of viruses. I believe this practice the major cause of the reduction in wide spread outbreaks like occurred a few years ago with Melissa, Sasser, etc.

With increasing digital content in the home it will be a necassity to have a "digital media gateway" that connects to the Internet, stores music & videos, receives & sends e-mail, and numerous other functions that will become available with increased speeds ans storage capacities. This "digital media gateway" should filter and protect the internal network from viruses/malware and other inappropriate material (as defined by that house) much the same way that corporate networks are designed to work.

by mike

Thats why i go with a Free Antivirus that is much more powerful than anything Microsoft could come up with. Avast is steadily gaining ground as a great, powerful, free home antivirus, with a paid pro version that is even more powerful. Our campus is swapping over to an Avast site license from a Symantec one.

Read about how to install the free version here:
http://computeradvice.mikebinns.net/installAntivirus.php


-Mike Binns

by jrapoport

This is essentially the same thing as buying a Microsoft Office product and then paying to have Word - Excel - Outlook included in the package.  I was pretty miffed when Microsoft offered Windows98SE to their Beta testers as long as we paid for the privilege to Beta test the OS for them, but now they want to ship an OS that is touted as being so secure, but you have to purchase the security seperate? Does the inclusion of a firewall in the OneCare package mean that WinXP's firewall will disappear in Vista?  This makes me mad enough to move to another software package and OS, but unfortunately everything else out there blows worse.

by joe90fluke

I you take few steps back and look at the entire Microsoft picture about where they are and where they go.

I perceive this new strategy as a no choice approach and a loosing one.
For the standard strict user they have to make an other appealing show and they will do it.

I am not naive anymore and all I can see is poor software coding everywhere in the Microsoft  OS.
Even at the lowest level, at the base of the pyramid, there are bugs that were still there not long ago if not there still.
An other model tells me manufacturers are not good in every domain.They normally get very good where they
developped expertise. Ex: McAfee is one of the top player in AV software, their Internet security suite leaves a lot of headroom for improvement.

About Windows I have to say the base of the pyramid is very week as they wrote code that works but rarely well polished and you think they will succeed to build something strong over it... I call that day dreaming.
Microsoft OS design are flimsy due to the existence of 3 major weakness  of design obsolescence: The system32 folder where all the dll's are placed, this is a real design mess; who is called by who?
The registry is the second weak point if not the first.
What is left ? The kernel there is no kernel in Microsoft OS. Yes, not really, it is so full of cracks that it turns into flour
2 seconds after it is loaded in the memory leak area ( Just playing with the words, but get the message)
I will be nice and not mention Internet Explorer Gruyere model syndrom. I can not talk about it because there is no more cheese left.
 So, over this mess they will build a security system and make you pay for it , no not for me thank you.

I have seen enought I am looking  toward a better horizon where security issues are addressed within a couple of days.
Linux is a new born star and will continue to grow at an accelerated rate, specially in the server application for a while and then in a couple of years the desktop market will start to get confortable with it more and more.

I now consider Windows to be in a slow phase out concerning my work and should implement a Linux domain controller.
There is a very interesting Linux compilation called Debian, based on the General Public License this OS  is free (Libre)
and it is amazing to see what a community of well intentionned people not driven by money and cupidity can do.

I am going back to my stuff now as I still have still a lot to learn and do.

By the mean time try to ask you seriously why the 500 hundeds most powerfull computer clusters of the planet are based on Linux (350) Unix about (130) Berkeley System  distribution BSD (13 to 16 ) , 4 or 5 of the rest classified as others

Why the NASA did use Debian Linux in the Space shutttle... to save money.... I don't think so.

by joe90fluke

If you take few steps back and look at the entire Microsoft picture about where they are and where they go.

I perceive this new strategy as a no choice approach and a loosing one.For the standard strict user they have to make an other appealing show and they will do it.I am not naive anymore and all I can see is poor software coding everywhere in the Microsoft  OS.Even at the lowest level, at the base of the pyramid, there are bugs that were still there not long ago if not there still.An other model tells me manufacturers are not good in every domain.They normally get very good where they developped
expertise. Ex: McAfee is one of the top player in AV software, their
Internet security suite leaves a lot of headroom for improvement.About
Windows I have to say the base of the pyramid is very week as they
wrote code that works but rarely well polished and you think they will
succeed to build something strong over it... I call that day dreaming.Microsoft
OS design are flimsy due to the existence of 3 major weakness  of
design obsolescence: The system32 folder where all the dll's are
placed, this is a real design mess; who is called by who? The registry is the second weak point if not the first.What is left ? The kernel there is no kernel in Microsoft OS. Yes, not really, it is so full of cracks that it turns into flour2 seconds after it is loaded in the memory leak area ( Just playing with the words, but get the message)I
will be nice and not mention Internet Explorer Gruyere model syndrom. I
can not talk about it because there is no more cheese left. So, over this mess they will build a security system and make you pay for it , no not for me thank you.I have seen enought I am looking  toward a better horizon where security issues are addressed within a couple of days.Linux
is a new born star and will continue to grow at an accelerated rate,
specially in the server application for a while and then in a couple of
years the desktop market will start to get confortable with it more and
more.I now consider Windows to be in a slow phase out concerning my work and should implement a Linux domain controller.There is a very interesting Linux compilation called Debian, based on the General Public License this OS  is free (Libre)and it is amazing to see what a community of well intentionned people not driven by money and cupidity can do.I am going back to my stuff now as I still have still a lot to learn and do.By
the mean time try to ask you seriously why the 500 hundeds most
powerfull computer clusters of the planet are based on Linux (350) Unix
about (130) Berkeley System  distribution BSD (13 to 16 ) , 4 or 5 of
the rest classified as othersWhy the NASA did use Debian Linux in the Space shutttle... to save money.... I don't think so.

Posted by Joe90Fluke on June 02, 7:18 AM

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by blarman

The bundling of software products wouldn't be as bad if there was true independence as with *NIX systems - one program crashing doesn't bring down the system.  Microsoft's bundling strategy makes it so that when they bundle in something - say Media Player or Internet Explorer, for some reason they build it into the operating system so that any time there is a worm, virus, trojan, or just plain bugs, it crashes or compromises the entire machine.


This whole program reeks of conflict of interest, and you won't find me getting within 10 feet of OneCare.  That's all I need is to install it and find out about a 0-day exploit in OneCare.  It will happen, too.

Oh, and Windows Media Player was bundled in for the same reasons that Internet Explorer was bundled - they couldn't make any money selling it separately but wanted to control the industry's development of computing.  Why does Microsoft come up with all these proprietary "standards" (like its competitor to OpenXML)?  Plain and simple - Microsoft wants to control the landscape of computing.

by benoddo53

Trust Microsoft only a lttle less??? How about not at all.

We are all aware of Microsoft's predatory business model and the court
decisions against the software giant for being so predatory. Taking
that into consideration along with the new revenue stream that One Care
provides and now a lack of any financial or business reason to fix the
operating system, how long do you think it will take before a virus or
malware is introduced into the wild that only One Care and fix?

If Microsoft wants to enter the anti-virus market, then make the O/S
open source. With proprietary code Microsoft can easily engineer a bug
or virus that only their One Care can fix. For a fee of course.

Perhaps the only way I could trust Microsoft a "little less" is to barely trust them at all.

by aaron a baker

I have absoluely No Faith in what Microsoft says. IT's always been the same with them,they take good care of themselves and to hell {Pardon}  with the clientele. Now to add insult to injury, they will charge you to fill the gaps and holes that "They"create and leave behind and call it security. Hypocrisy at it's highest. All I want from Microsoft is the main product. Nothing else need apply. As or the other "Add Ons" I'll use my Norton,Add Aware and Spybot 1.4.

At least, these people have shown that you can trust them.With these people there is never an ulterior motive.It's quite Simple really,Norton takes care of all viruses etc,Ad-Aware all the add and Spybot takes good care of my system quite well on it's own. Microsoft is not needed or wanted.

This is avarice in cheap clothing and Microsoft is renowned for this. Now  they think that we will all dump our long standing and dependable programs and allow ourselves to be roped in by them? [ WRONG]. They have a very low opinion of our IQ.

As long as I'm paying for the product, rest assured that I WILL be the one who decides what form does what in my system.

My Norton for Microsoft????? .......it is to laugh!!!

Regards

Aaron

 

by databaseben

I wasn't impressed with OneCare.  It really didn't provide sufficient details of the processes it was undertaking and for what reasons, ie, which registry errors, etc.....   After running OneCare and Defender, I always ran an anti spyware and antivirus anyways.  And sure enough, spywares were always found.  Then I would run a registry cleaner, and sure enough the registry required fine tuning as well.  I ran OneCare for a couple of months and figured out it was worth having it on my system.  Who knows, the OneCare could have been collecting data from my system.........

by darinhamer

Amen, bruthuh! Microsoft selling security software is like McDonald's selling exercise equipment. I am not a Microsoft basher, but this is one area where Microsoft has no business being, and I think they should be driven out of the market by people's refusal to purchase their security products. There are plenty of good alternatives out there we can never hope to have secure operating systems or even good security software if Microsoft dominates both markets. Don't drink the Koolaid!!!

by onthego

1)  New definition of "oxymoron", however, who is the moron?

2)  Who in their right mind would buy a version 1.0 of anything out of MS?

3)  Where is the ethical responsibility behind security support?  The other commercial OS developers support security fixes as a maintenance function with the purchase of the OS.  Any other break/fix/feature enhancements come with a maintenance contract. 

MS has had a history for developing (or some say steal) a good idea and market it well, this is another case for it, though, evident that anti-virus cannot be touted as an "original idea". 

This is an example over desparation for maintaining a future at MS, though pitifully desparate.  But then, if the product had no problems, why would the clients pay for the latest-greatest-that-still-does-not-fix-the-root-problem?

by worldbfree

Please folks, save your money, don't buy Microsoft.  When support runs out on the Win9X running on this machine, I'm gonna format the harddrive and put Debian Linux on it just like the trusty old  I have next to it.  Then I'll put up the Firestarter firewall package (also free), and find a free anti-virus package which will be scripted to go off at the time I choose and tell me exactly what it's doing and not doing.  I'll be doing actual work instead of constantly fretting about attacks and viruses and
all the other misery that accompanies crappy Microsoft products.  :-D

by tinybrain

Interesting ... I guess if MS added those features you mentioned into their product, we will see a new suit of anti-trust lawsuit going after them, no price for wining the guess.. Symantec,mcAfee,.. etc, ... and especially those from EU, so ...? there is never a win-win situation ...

by j sheesley

If you remember back to the end of last year, several editors
here at TechRepublic offered their list of the top headlines you wouldn?t see
in 2006. I pitched in with my Top
5 Pick and I?m happy to announce that I was absolutely wrong on one count:

3) Novell returns to profitability

This
one pains me because I?ve long been a Novell and NetWare fan. The problem is
NetWare market share is dropping like a rock at the same time Novell is trying
to sell a free operating system that has a version dominated by RedHat. Novell
has a solid record of selling operating systems to business and understanding
networking in general, but so far it hasn?t been able to turn this reputation
into profits. Being squeezed by Microsoft, RedHat, and The March Of Progress,
Novell is in a whole world of hurt. I hope this one turns out to be wrong.

 

Turns out that Novell just announced that they returned
to profitability
in the last quarter. It wasn?t by much ? only 1 cent per
share. And the revenue wasn?t huge, only $278 million, but even so, a profit is
a profit.

It?s worrisome that Novell turned a profit on lower revenue
than a year before. Their revenue has been dropping slowly now for years which
is a scary prospect. But at least a return to profitability is a step in the
right direction.

So, like I said at the end of last year, I was hoping that
prediction was wrong. As a longtime Novell fan, I?m more than happy to shout a
Mea Culpa on that one.

 I?m still right
about Vista missing its ship date however...

by shorne

As an old CNE I follow the decline of Novell with interest as well. I wonder if it's telling that you posted at 2 in the afternoon on Thursday and by Friday morning there have been no posts to discuss. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but could it be that the tech community has just lost interest in Novell? I sensed an uptick in interest when they bought Suse, but the don't seem to be generating much buzz.

by cooks

I just converted my last Netware customer to MS Windows SBS 2003.  Works great and is easy to manage.

by cellmis

Got sick of all that nasty stability, 'eh cooks?? ;-)

I'm in no position to talk...my datacenter's all Win2k/2k3 too, although I still try and convert the IT manager regularly.

by j sheesley

One of the new features in Windows Vista that you hear a lot
about is the Aero Glass UI and how it?s supposed to add 3D elements to the
desktop experience. Because the Vista machine in the TechRepublic test lab doesn?t
have a video card with Vista drivers yet, I haven?t had the chance to fully
check it out yet.

3D graphics have been making inroads into everyday aspects of
people?s computing for some time now. In the world of Computer Aided Design and
gaming, 3D is very 20th Century.  For regular desktop applications however, 3D
is still relatively new.

In the browser world, some Web sites employ VRML and X3D to embed 3D images, but it never
has caught on very well. Recently however, I stumbled across a complete 3D
browser called uBrowser which will render
any Web page in a 3D window. For example you can render TechRepublic as either
a cube, sphere, or a rotated flat page. Appropriately enough, you can also
render it as a flag.  Below are some
samples:

TechRepublic rotated

TechRepublic cubedTechRepublic rotated

Spherical techrepublic

TechRepublic flagged

What?s uBrowser good for? Well, that?s about it really.
Unfortunately, there are no real added benefits in the current version to
viewing a page in 3D versus viewing in a regular browser. It would be cool if
you could spread tabs across different faces of a cube for example and rotate between
them, but this version doesn?t do that.

The author admits that the browser is only for experimental
purposes. It?s still kind of cool though and may yet point the direction to
where we?ll be browsing in a few years.     

by plumley9

The "I WANT THAT" interface for me is the movie special effect where you are inside a globe of pages and can select one to move front and center - then the related pages are located around it in diminishing relativity and size. Could make some sea-sick, but it is 'Way Cool!'

by j sheesley

With the Vista Beta 2 now
open to the general public
, lots of people are getting the change to kick
the tires around. A lot of people are going to be pleasantly surprised, while
others are in for a rude shock I?m sure. One of the areas that are going to
surprise people is the amount of hardware necessary to get Windows Vista
running without being annoying.

To help judge how Windows Vista performs on a given machine, Vista
includes a Performance Rating Tool that gives a general number you can use to
assess a machine?s Vista capabilities. Steven Warren discussed
his results recently when trying out a test laptop with Vista.

When I installed the February CTP of Vista on the test
workstation in the TechRepublic Test Lab, I was extremely disappointed
in the results. With the release of Beta 2, there were some new video
drivers available that supported the nVidia Quadro card in the workstation, so
I thought I?d check to see how the machine checked out now. Here are the results:

Vista performance

The test machine went from scoring a 2 to scoring a whopping
3. What?s really interesting is to compare how Vista USED to judge the machine
versus how it does now. Remember: The only change in the machine is that there
is now a supported video driver.

February CTP Beta 2
Processor: 3.6 3.7
Memory: 5.5 5.0
Hard drive: 5.4 3.8
Graphics card: 2.0 5.9
Gaming graphics: 5.4 5.3
Overall: 2.0 3.0

Clearly Microsoft has fiddled with the algorithms or else
everything would score the same from one build to the next. It?s still
surprising that many elements of the workstation would score high, but overall
the machine only scores a 3. Talk about grading on a curve.

Seeing as how the Performance Rating Tool can give an overall
high score of 5, it?s still scary to think what kind of machine you?ve got to
be running to actually score a 5. We?ll have to see what future betas hold to
see if the ratings change again.

by cellmis

Don't feel bad...I built a new AMD64 3700+ system in October, 2G RAM, 72G Raptor, and topped it off with an ATI X1800XL and I get a 3 as well.  

I guess it makes sense...they've gotta leave room at the top-end for new hardware unless they plan on 'depreciating' your hardware with a patch to the Performance Ratings every 3-6 months.

by anleath1

Just installed Beta 2 and after finding drivers for the Ac97 audio ran the performance tool. Overall rating achieved was 3, with the following results listed

Processor Pentium D 3.0ghz   5.0

Memory 4gig                          3.8

Hard Disc (WD SATAII)           3.9

Graphics Radeon X1300          4.4 

Gaming Graphics 256mg         4.2

So what they require to achieve the so called perfect 5, has left me wondering

by j sheesley

One of the most heralded changes in Windows Vista is the
inclusion of the Aero Glass interface. The interface change in Vista is almost
as big of a change as XP?s Luna interface was over the old Windows 2000
Professional interface. Of course, to
get Aero Glass working properly, you?re supposed to have a ?Gaming Graphics?
card with at least 128MB of RAM. And naturally you have to be running, or
waiting, for Vista to get it.

Or do you?

Recently I stumbled across the Vista Transformation
Pack
. This is an integrated set of utilities that will modify Windows XP to
look and feel very much like Windows Vista. It will also do so without a huge
investment in computer horsepower. You can transform Windows XP into a Vista
lookalike with a graphics card with as little as 8MB of RAM. Best of all, the program is free.

How does it work? The author of the Vista Transformation Pack
integrates the Glass2K utility to allow translucency on Windows 2000/XP along
with some other programming magic to completely change the interface.

I?ve created a Photo Gallery that shows you what the Vista Transformation Pack does to your
Windows XP system. It?s not a complete transformation. You can still see the difference
in a few places, but overall it does a very nice job of emulating Vista. If you
want to get a taste of Vista without completely installing Beta 2, this might
be the way to go.

by jminshal

And the point is?

Personally, I just don't see the point. Sure it's pretty, but what do I gain for myself in ease of use or productivity increase?

Thanks!

JAM

 

by j sheesley

That's part of the point actually. It doesn't do a whole lot other than
pretty up the interface somewhat.  But what it really does is
raise some questions about why Microsoft would have you invest in the
level of hardware necessary in Vista when you can do the exact same
things on your old Windows XP machine?  Why do I need a 3Ghz
computer with a gaming graphics card when I can run the same basic
interface on a 1Ghz machine with an old ATI Rage Pro card?  Is
this what we've been waiting 5 years for Microsoft to produce?

Glass is one of the few features that have survived the cut in the long
road to Vista. Other features such as WinFS have long been tossed over
the side as ship dates recede into the distance. If you're looking
forward to Glass effects on a Windows machine, you don't need to wait,
and you don't need to make a huge hardware investment. The
Transformation Pack does it for you with what you have now.

by lastchip

To be honest, Vista has left me very unimpressed and if all a user wants is a new pretty interface, you've struck gold! (though I can't say the full transparency appeals to me).

While I can see improvements in security in Vista, I doubt it will be long before it is hacked.

When installing Vista beta2, I noted a clean install takes around 14.2GB of drive space. With many laptops having 30GB hard drives, install the "Office Suite", some odd and ends and it doesn't take much working out it's not long before you're running out of disk space. Bloated or what! Add to that the hardware requirements and one has to question; Why?

Seems a lot of hype about very little to me.

by pwebendorfer

Using system virtualization, it's only a matter of time until you can run Mac OS on a PC.  The real question then is why would you want to pay extra money for a Mac.  One other thing...  I've heard from kool-aid drinking Mac addicts for years that the Mac platform is so superior.  If that is the case, can someone explain to me why Apple has ditched their original bus architecture, graphics system, OS and processor?  Now they are giddy about running Windows.  Give me a break!

by rob.chang

Your point about applications has some merit, but remember that MacOS penetration is still in the single digits compared

to PCs so the high-order bit is to get more Macs out there in the first place.. By adding dual-OS capability you remove
a key barrier for many customers to switch to Apple. And, for any mainstream application, a marketing message saying "It's supported on
Mac; just run it under Microsoft Windows" isn't a viable long-term message if they're seriously targeting that platform?
[it adds a tax, and provides an opportunity for the competition].?

Parallels/BootCamp will bring the greasy nerds back to the Mac camp; they'll be able to run Windows, Linux, and Mac
on their machines. That will spark more innovation on the platform as well as the explore what can be done with
this new OS model of virtual desktops. Jobs will make it work for the rest of us, and Gates will come out with a version
a few years later with a lot more menu selections, clippy (tm), and a new strain of viruses. It's all good, sort of. True, you
can do all this on PCs, but just imagine how many more dates you'll get when you hang at Starbucks, surfing
the web on a chic looking Mac.. The women will think you're a trendy graphic artist and, when you show 'em
the virtual Desktops, hang on! The extra $200 you'll spend for the machine will be well spent.?

And most importantly, running Windows as a virtual desktop on a Mac will let me surf porn on my Mac
with reckless abandon! Just fire up that trusty MS Desktop and start clicking away! And, when I'm
done, clean up is a snap, just like with me and my trusty Kleenex box. No lingering guilt, viruses, or
other glop on the machine; just delete the OS image and back to work you go. Sure I can do this on
my PC, but watching that smooth skin looks sooo much better against a chic aluminum flatscreen.?

pung!

And for the gang that argues that PCs rule because of bus architecture, my Dad can beat up your Dad because?
he drives a car with a Bosch onboard computer!

by rob.chang

Your point about applications has some merit, but remember that MacOS penetration is still in the single digits compared

to PCs so the high-order bit is to get more Macs out there in the first place.. By adding dual-OS capability you remove
a key barrier for many customers to switch to Apple. And, for any mainstream application, a marketing message saying "It's supported on
Mac; just run it under Microsoft Windows" isn't a viable long-term message if they're seriously targeting that platform?
[it adds a tax, and provides an opportunity for the competition].?

Parallels/BootCamp will bring the greasy nerds back to the Mac camp; they'll be able to run Windows, Linux, and Mac
on their machines. That will spark more innovation on the platform as well as the explore what can be done with
this new OS model of virtual desktops. Jobs will make it work for the rest of us, and Gates will come out with a version
a few years later with a lot more menu selections, clippy (tm), and a new strain of viruses. It's all good, sort of. True, you
can do all this on PCs, but just imagine how many more dates you'll get when you hang at Starbucks, surfing
the web on a chic looking Mac.. The women will think you're a trendy graphic artist and, when you show 'em
the virtual Desktops, hang on! The extra $200 you'll spend for the machine will be well spent.?

And most importantly, running Windows as a virtual desktop on a Mac will let me surf porn on my Mac
with reckless abandon! Just fire up that trusty MS Desktop and start clicking away! And, when I'm
done, clean up is a snap, just like with me and my trusty Kleenex box. No lingering guilt, viruses, or
other glop on the machine; just delete the OS image and back to work you go. Sure I can do this on
my PC, but watching that smooth skin looks sooo much better against a chic aluminum flatscreen.?

pung!

And for the gang that argues that PCs rule because of bus architecture, my Dad can beat up your Dad because?
he drives a car with a Bosch onboard computer!

by crazyfun

Your point about applications has some merit, but remember that MacOS penetration is still in the single digits compared
to PCs so the high-order bit is to get more Macs out there in the first place.. By adding dual-OS capability you remove
a key barrier for many customers to switch to Apple. And, for any mainstream application, a marketing message saying "It's supported on Mac; just run it under Microsoft Windows" isn't a viable long-term message if they're seriously targeting that platform? [it adds a tax, and provides an opportunity for the competition].?

Parallels/BootCamp will bring the greasy nerds back to the Mac camp; they'll be able to run Windows, Linux, and Mac
on their machines. That will spark more innovation on the platform as well as the explore what can be done with
this new OS model of virtual desktops. Jobs will make it work for the rest of us, and Gates will come out with a version
a few years later with a lot more menu selections, clippy (tm), and a new strain of viruses. It's all good, sort of. True, you
can do all this on PCs, but just imagine how many more dates you'll get when you hang at Starbucks, surfing
the web on a chic looking Mac.. The women will think you're a trendy graphic artist and, when you show 'em
the virtual Desktops, hang on! The extra $200 you'll spend for the machine will be well spent.

And most importantly, running Windows as a virtual desktop on a Mac will let me surf porn on my Mac
with reckless abandon! Just fire up that trusty MS Desktop and start clicking away! And, when I'm
done, clean up is a snap, just like with me and my trusty Kleenex box. No lingering guilt, viruses, or
other glop on the machine; just delete the OS image and back to work you go. Sure I can do this on
my PC, but watching that smooth skin looks sooo much better against a chic aluminum flatscreen.

And for the gang that argues that PCs rule because of bus architecture, my Dad can beat up your Dad because
he drives a car with a Bosch onboard computer!

pung

by crazyfun

Your point about applications has some merit, but remember that MacOS penetration is still in the single digits compared?to PCs so the high-order bit is to get more Macs out there in the first place.. By adding dual-OS capability you remove?a key barrier for many customers to switch to Apple. And, for any mainstream application, a marketing message saying "It's supported on?Mac; just run it under Microsoft Windows" isn't a viable long-term message if they're seriously targeting that platform?[it adds a tax, and provides an opportunity for the competition].?

Parallels/BootCamp will bring the greasy nerds back to the Mac camp; they'll be able to run Windows, Linux, and Mac?on their machines. That will spark more innovation on the platform as well as the explore what can be done with?this new OS model of virtual desktops. Jobs will make it work for the rest of us, and Gates will come out with a version?a few years later with a lot more menu selections, clippy (tm), and a new strain of viruses. It's all good, sort of. True, you?can do all this on PCs, but just imagine how many more dates you'll get when you hang at Starbucks, surfing?the web on a chic looking Mac.. The women will think you're a trendy graphic artist and, when you show 'em?the virtual Desktops, hang on! The extra $200 you'll spend for the machine will be well spent.?

And most importantly, running Windows as a virtual desktop on a Mac will let me surf porn on my Mac?with reckless abandon! Just fire up that trusty MS Desktop and start clicking away! And, when I'm?done, clean up is a snap, just like with me and my trusty Kleenex box. No lingering guilt, viruses, or?other glop on the machine; just delete the OS image and back to work you go. Sure I can do this on?my PC, but watching that smooth skin looks sooo much better against a chic aluminum flatscreen.?

pung!

And for the gang that argues that PCs rule because of bus architecture, my Dad can beat up your Dad because??he drives a car with a Bosch onboard computer!

by crazyfun

Your point about applications has some merit, but remember that MacOS penetration is still in the single digits compared?to PCs so the high-order bit is to get more Macs out there in the first place.. By adding dual-OS capability you remove?a key barrier for many customers to switch to Apple. And, for any mainstream application, a marketing message saying "It's supported on?Mac; just run it under Microsoft Windows" isn't a viable long-term message if they're seriously targeting that platform. [it adds a tax, and provides an opportunity for the competition].?

Parallels/BootCamp will bring the greasy nerds back to the Mac camp; they'll be able to run Windows, Linux, and Mac?on their machines. That will spark more innovation on the platform as well as the explore what can be done with?this new OS model of virtual desktops. Jobs will make it work for the rest of us, and Gates will come out with a version?a few years later with a lot more menu selections, clippy (tm), and a new strain of viruses. It's all good, sort of. True, you?can do all this on PCs, but just imagine how many more dates you'll get when you hang at Starbucks, surfing?the web on a chic looking Mac.. The women will think you're a trendy graphic artist and, when you show 'em?the virtual Desktops, hang on! The extra $200 you'll spend for the machine will be well spent.?

And most importantly, running Windows as a virtual desktop on a Mac will let me surf porn on my Mac?with reckless abandon! Just fire up that trusty MS Desktop and start clicking away! And, when I'm?done, clean up is a snap, just like with me and my trusty Kleenex box. No lingering guilt, viruses, or?other glop on the machine; just delete the OS image and back to work you go. Sure I can do this on?my PC, but watching that smooth skin looks sooo much better against a chic aluminum flatscreen.?

pung!

And for the gang that argues that PCs rule because of bus architecture, my Dad can beat up your Dad because??he drives a car with a Bosch onboard computer!

by mr first

As a Mac user that also owns a PC due to having to use one for my work, this would allow me to get rid of the PC altogether - less expense and clutter. I do most of my web surfing on the Mac, since Windows is such a magnet for viruses and other malicious entities.

by j sheesley

If you surf around the Web long enough, you find all sorts
of little things that people have done to break Windows. Recently, I was
checking out a blog and saw this title:  How to Break Windows Notepad.

It seems like if you type the string ?this app can break?
(No quotes) into Notepad, save the file, and then double-click the file to
reopen it in Notepad, all you get is a string of boxes. You can see the results
below:

Goofy notepad

It?s an actual bug, not just cosmetic. If you do a search
for any of the words in the string, you won?t find them. Changing the font won?t
help either.  The boxes won?t disappear.  However, if you try the same trick but type ?this
app can?t break? everything works fine.

Do you know of any other Windows quirks and bugs
like that? Let?s see how many we can list.

by georgeou

Cool!  My computer displays the following chinese phrase.

桴獩愠灰挠湡戠敲歡

Looks like a secret feature that someone put in.  It can't be an accident.

by leee

George, do you know if it's an actual phrase? (My Chinese is rusty, er... nonexistent.)

by galtroarc

There is some basic lack of insight in this article.

"The usual reason given for this desire is the ability to do work at home on a Mac and then be able to transfer it to work where the user usually has a Windows workstation. With the introduction of OpenOffice 2.0 for the Mac, NeoOffice, and Microsoft Office for Mac OS, you would think that those products would take care of that work-at-home requirement"

Are you kidding me? You think "work" is office applications? There are genre-specific applications that are designed for Windows that are used everyday for work. Office is fine for some very high level management functions but day-to-day work requres more than that..none of which runs on Mac OS for obvious reasons.

You give a person the option to run Windows on her Mac to get her work done and then return to what she really prefers for everything else - her stupendously superior Mac, you bet Macs are going to sell more because of this.

It confounds me that you can miss this basic tenet and also makes me wonder if you have ever used a Mac before?

Lets get another thing clear. OS/2 is not Mac OS - not in quality, not in aesthetics, not in adoption. Don't just pull up an example for the sake of it bro. Do your research and think about it.

 

"If you?re a Macophile, just say No."

Really? I'm sure that works for a guy who works with some kind of word processor all day to shoot out shrill postings based on a general superior disdain and little else - but for the rest of us, especially for Macophiles, say Hell Yes!