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by nicknielsen
There's nothing wrong with a zombie thread, usually, except that it's been inactive for several months or longer. If you come across spam in a zombie thread, simply mark the spam and let the zombie sink back into the well of threads. No need to make a big issue of it.
I believe, looking at a couple of those threads in which you posted zombie alerts, somebody flagged your posts as either offensive or spam. I don't think the multiple posts in each thread helped.
by seanferd
But I cannot fault you for your decision.
Best wishes,
Sean
by michael jay
interesting to observe the reactions of the folks to change.
Best to you Mehul
by michael jay
by seanferd
The other issue has always been that spammers accounts aren't killed. Like, duh.
I think spam is currently more noticeable due to the lack of zombie and spam threads being buried - not enough normal posting in the forums. Plus, dead stuff seems to come to the top of the 3 "Featured" threads which has been inactive for some time. Don't know what that is all about.
by boxfiddler
by seanferd
by jasonhiner
by seanferd
When viewing a user's profile, a small. limited number of recent posts is displayed: four per category. So, if a spammer posts more than four posts which are not easily discernible by viewing the lists, they will go un-flagged until someone stumbles upon them.
And since I've never seen a spammer account and all posts deleted, which may just be due to random experience on my part - I don't know, the community can be less helpful here.
I really don't know what your back end was like before, or what it is like now, so I cannot comment on that at all, excepting in reference to a post by Tammy. It seems that replies to a post or thread marked as spam make it more difficult for Tammy to clean up. Knowing this, I won't leave silly or snarky comments against a spam post any longer. But why should this make it more difficult for those deleting spam?
I'm certainly glad that you, and hopefully other TR employees, find the tools better. That's awesome, particularly if they solved nagging issues with the old system and help you to do new things.
Cheers!
(although Tammy's post below indicates otherwise), but it's much harder for members to locate in the first place. If we can't find it, we can't flag it.
First, it remains difficult to spot new posts in discussions. If a spammer digs up a large zombie, it's hard to spot the multiple new posts since they are no longer marked as new. If there's just one, it's at the top; sometimes there are more and they're difficult to spot.
Second, if you follow the link to the spammer's profile, you only see his last four posts. You can't track down all his offensive content, including the multiple posts to a single discussion as noted above. It's also harder to switch between a member's posts to Discussion and Q&A than it used to be.
Third, we don't see a full 'Member Since' date anymore. Spammers almost always joined the day they posted. That was a useful clue.
Fourth, the old 'sign up' process mandated a location. Goofy locations like 'London, Egypt' were often good indications of a canned pork pusher. Location and date could be scanned when a post was opened, often indicating it was spam before even reading the content. Now with the location being optional, it takes longer to analyze the text. (Making it harder to tell where a poster is from also makes it harder to tell how sophisticated to be with one's speech when replying. Many of us would avoid slang, contractions, etc when replying to someone from a non-English-speaking location.)
Fifth, as MJ says, the Discussions board no longer shows the name of the most recent poster. Names like 'BuySchoolDegree' were usually pretty good indicators that it was worth opening the discussion to smack the button.
Consider yourself pinged. You're looking at spam hunting from the back-end view of the butcher or meat processor; come out here and see it from the woods.
by boxfiddler
A) Email spam alerts almost always arrive in my Inbox hours after the spam post is marked. Sorry. Epic fail, even before the upgrade.
B) I got so sick and tired of multiple emails per single spam report that I blocked those emails. Sorry, epic fail, even before the upgrade.
C) Post upgrade, I'm not allowed to comment as Boxy Fiddler, and I can't delete spam as boxfiddler. I guarantee you, no matter how much I love this place and these people, I'm not logging out, logging in again to remove spam, logging out, logging in again to see what else is cooking and partake in delicious conversation. Just to go through the same log out/log in/log out/log in process the next time I bump into a spammer. Sorry. Epic fail.
D) I can only view 4 posts per username when I check a spammer profile. I used to have access to everything that steeenkeen spammer posted. Now I get access to only 4. Sorry. Epic fail.
E) Loss of the full join date. Join date in conjunction with even only one post is a dead giveaway. Yup, sorry. Epic fail.
by ansugisalas
This is all one big public beta, and an early one at that.
Nothing works.
I respect your outstanding spambusting record Mehul, and I garner from the scraps of information provided that you've been subject to the draconic countermeasures used by the PTB against ... regulars mostly, I guess.
Sorry to hear it.
It seems like the PTB keep going as if the place is hell on wheels, and treat people upset by the lack of functionality just like they did when the place was working, cutting no slack for frayed nerves, and giving no worth to work done past or present.
It's not something I can respect.
In fact, it's something that can only make riff-raff like me start thinking about starting fires, and sticking shivs in the constabulary.
Not that that would work though, I realize that because I'm educated riff-raff.
But still, you have my sympathy.
Try to hang in there? But not for the PTB, nothing is for the PTB.
by ansugisalas
As irritating as one may find them, those who post to so called "zombie" threads - whether in answering to, or asking their own question that is similar, doesn't break CBS TOS.
The spammers we have been removing as quickly as possible, but these are getting clogged down by "extra" posts, so what would had been one single post to remove, is now turning into 3+ posts. While this may seem to be helpful, it in fact hindering and slowly our ability to get them removed quicker. Think of it this way - one flags 5 posts, responds to each of them twice (as this is what we have been seeing), and now instead of 5 posts that need removing, we have 15 posts, 15 posts easily turns into 45, and so on...
-Tammy [_]3
There's nothing inherently wrong with a zombie, but most of them are unearthed by spammers looking to hype a product vaguely related to the dearly departed subject.
Tammy, are you saying members should only flag a spam, and that by replying to it we're making the cleanup efforts harder?
by seanferd
Doesn't seem like the back end is improved at all, then. May I suggest http://vanillaforums.org/ , as it would probably be an improvement all the way around.
But heck, I can stop making the occasional snarky comments to a spam post if that makes it harder on you and other "forum maintainers". Give us an earful when we make it harder on you. We get it.
sorry.. I know it use to be helpful.. but now it is actually making it harder.
If everyone would just vote down the offending post (versus adding on to) - that actually does aid (x number of negatives and the post collapses and their ranking goes down).
Basically, what ends up happening is this - I go to remove a post, then I find x number of other posts of folks either having a discussion about the now offending post or marking them as Zombies, which in return means now I must remove all the new posts, or it would look really weird to leave an "alert" up while the actual "alert" post was now gone, making the "alerter" - well... look like they had lost their minds as the last post with the exception of the "alert" is all old stuff. Make since?
In an extremely long thread - it is easy to miss them extra posts (as we all know, one is taken to the first page (when following a comment url directly), not to the page in which the comment is actually located - this means, we play hunt and search for any replies :-) - yes, that first page thing, is a bug and one we are working on, as it's not just frustrating to you all, but to myself as well)
-Tammy [_]3
by ansugisalas
by av .
Like the one I'm having. I haven't been able to post a new discussion since the upgrade. I can only reply to existing discussions. Its pretty annoying.
AV
by puppybreath
by av .
One minute the post is there, the next minute it isn't. I'm just baffled though why I can't start a new discussion.
AV
by av .
Someone has to fix this mess. Its going to take a lot of user feedback. Together, we can make our voices heard.
AV
by seanferd
..until all the bugs/kinks and crawly things have been worked out.. which includes both the front end and back end.
:-)
-Tammy [_]3
by ansugisalas
I can live with that...
But where will I then hear again from our friend anintruder... a sly one that, only ever posted in the threads born from Chinese spam, and they all got deleted, of course.
Impressive.
That's the one who told a spammer "Run away from here - They will eat you!" ... in chinese!
:D
by seanferd
.. but if it helps... you can vent in the comment section of the alert/flag? I'll read them :-)
-Tammy [_]3
by nicknielsen
by jasonhiner
Our systems nail a ton of spam before it ever gets to the site. We've been working hard to stay a step ahead of spammers but they target huge sites like this one because there are millions of readers here. It's just a fact of life.
As for deleting the stuff that gets to the site and gets flagged, we have more people than ever that have moderating ability and are deleting spam. We don't catch everything, but it's not like most of our threads are riddled with spam. It's simply sprinkled through a few here and there that mods haven't nailed yet.
"We don't catch everything,"
No reasonable person would expect you to. It's just gotten harder for us to help you.
by jaqui
half the posts in this branch were voted down 1 when I read it.
I voted them up 1 :D
by seanferd
we'd appreciate your efforts a little more...
Besides I fancy a large pair of breasts, a sony gadget and an IPad.
Clue only one of those is true....
by boxfiddler
Yuppers. Yup, yup, yup.
Total disconnect between PTB's and daily users.
by ansugisalas
by boxfiddler
by ansugisalas
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