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I know I can't hack it in the instigation business, but I thought this was a fun read.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15196517

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by hal 9000

This is a well known thing which is [b]Politically Unacceptable[/b] because to get an [b]Erection or listened to in some small way[/b] all Pollies have to claim that they are

[b]Tough on Crime[/b] when in fact their own statistics are actually telling everyone that will listen to them that they are [b]Increasing Crime[/b] not decreasing it.

While Politicians play Politics they will continue with this massive waste of Time, Peoples Lives and Money.

A good enough reason to kill on Politician's and appoint a Administrator to run the country. It's not only much cheaper but a lot more effective and there is no Crap in the Media about Pollies messing things up. ;)

Col

by ansugisalas

Sounds interesting, actually. Then whenever a unit malfunctions, the seasoned Administrator will of course turn it off, then back on.
If that doesn't solve the problem, the Administrator will reinstall the drivers for the unit.
If that doesn't solve the problem, the Administrator will change something to make that type of unit unworkable, and then let that kind of unit function only in a virtualized environment...

by santeewelding

Doesn't know particularly why. Only, like inchoate Occupy Wall Street folks, he says it isn't working and he doesn't like it.

Like he did say, too -- reworded -- gauge our "civilization" by what the rest of us are going to do once we say, "criminal".

by hal 9000

They are attempting to Occupy Wall Street don't you?

The price of Real Estate there is so great that they can not afford to buy any there themselves. :D

Also the people that work there get paid more than Criminal Wages/Salaries or whatever you want to call them while all the time they Play with what amounts to Monopoly Money and do their level best to wreck the Planet.

You know that things in Wall Street are bad when you look at the buildings. All External Glass is Unbreakable and no Windows Open as Stock Brokers Jumping out of Windows when they loose all their Clients money make a mess on the side walk.

Wall Street Side Walks are already messy enough with your feet sticking to the Side Walk so they don't want any Stock Brokers falling from great heights onto members of the General Public.

If you take the time to look at the roofs of those buildings you'll also see Anti Jump Railings that are impossible to circumvent so the Low Life Scum that passes for Financial Experts can not even go to the roof and jump.

It's not to protect the people who make out that they work there when they are just stealing money in every way that they can conceive, but to protect the remainder of the American Population from them killing members of the General Public when they attempt to kill themselves. People make a soft landing and the Stock Brokers & Financial Experts are so incompetent that they need to jump at least 1000 times to kill themselves but in the process kill several thousand members of the general populous with Immunity. The Media Refuses to make any reports about Jumping Season as it makes the Media Look bad. :^0

Stock Brokers and Financial Experts are a Group that should be considered with Telephone Sanitizers, Market Researchers and Politicians who need to be eradicated from the Universe in an attempt to prolong the reign of the Homo Sappiness. ;)

Another planet put all the Telephone Sanitizers & Market Researchers into a Space Craft and sent them to crash into the Earth millions of years ago and all that managed to do was kill Off the Magerthieans Original Population who where supposed to Answer the Ultimate Question of Life The Universe and Everything. Well actually they where supposed to explain just What the Hell 42 actually meant.

Unfortunately those Telephone Sanitizers and Marketing Researchers evolved into Stock Brokers, Finical Experts and Politicians. Well some of them did at least others remained doing what they have always done to wreck the place. The New Group from that Planet is now more easily able to wreck things without needing to try as hard now. ;)

The only solution is to get the Vogans to Destroy to entire Solar System to eliminate those Degenerates from the Universe but without the correct Paper Work the Vogans just sit around reading their Poetry to themselves. :0

But in the mean time Our Creators the [b]White Mice[/b] are hoping against Hope to find out what is the meaning of 42. But even they accept that the Planet & Solar System Must be Destroyed to prevent [b]Unrecoverable Contamination of the Universe.[/b] :p

Currently they are trying to think of a good enough reason to Destroy the Solar System but they are having problems coming up with a good enough lie that will be accepted by the Universe in General.

They only require the excuse that the Solar System needs to be destroyed to allow the construction of a Hyperspace Bypass but they have not worked that out quite yet. So we have a bit of time till the White Mice read this post and realize that they have their answer to 42 and Everything, then they can get rid of the Telephone Sanitizers, Market Researches, Stock Brokers, Finical Experts and Politician's by faxing the Vogans the right Paperwork. ]:)

Col :^0 :D :^0 :D :^0 :D

by ansugisalas

actually, a recent study has shown that the Stock Breakers don't usually try to kill themselves, instead they tend to get a little woozy from playing God - and often develop the delusion that the laws of nature, like the other laws affecting the common man, do not apply to them. So, they're jumping because they expect to soar into the heavens... and not plummet to a squishy death.

by santeewelding

Your cite was not a first draft. It was carved; again and again. Rather well, I thought. Specially, "inutile" (his word), a low-count of many that caught my eye. He covered ground by sheer will of words in that one, he did.

Skirted the hard part, he did, too.

Cluck and pass on by.

by ansugisalas

I thought the hard part was, that locking a man up in a place where he's at the mercy of shiv-shoving sodomizers might constitute a punishment both cruel and "unusual".

by hal 9000

I can think of many people I would lock up in those conditions.

Of course they are all [b]Politicians.[/b] But I don't know if that counts as [b]Cruel & Unusual Punishment[/b] on the [i]shiv-shoving sodomizers[/i] though. ;)

I know that the [i]shiv-shoving sodomizers[/i] could complain of [b]Inhumane Punishment[/b] by forcing them to have Pollies in their mist but I can live with that for the time being. I would consider it as [b]Aversion Therapy[/b] for those people. After all they are in Jail and then need to know that they are there to be Punished and the thought that they could at any time be confined with Pollies should be more than enough reason for them to self Rehabilitate. :0

See it saves money all ways. Gets rid of Pollies and acts as a Deterrent to the Part Time Criminals, if they know that they can be locked up with the Worst of the Worst and be subject to their every whim I would think that is more than enough deterrent. ;)

I of course accept that there is [b]No Hope[/b] of any sort of improvement from the real criminals the Pollies. But then again I never considered that there was any possibility to Rehabilitate that type or break them from their [b]Antisocial Behavior.[/b] I however thought that was what Jails where for the Untreatable. After all they designed the Jails as a Deterrent so they must have designed them with what they thought would deter themselves. :D

Col

by santeewelding

Settling on how any one stands to the rest; how the rest stand to the one; that contract pronounced, "civilization".

In short, how we are. Not, "what". Not, "who". Not, "why". Those come only after and incidentally -- informed by, "how".

Whether rapist, politician, or spammer, betrayal is the same: betrayal of trust in the one or the other either way.

by santeewelding

You are bottom-feeding. You trivialize yourself with bottom-crawling subject matter.

Rise.

Approach this, or any other contentious thing involving us all, by Algorithm of the Almighty.

[i]Id est[/i], God. Rise to that and superintend it all, if you can.

by santeewelding

At least, certain persons: I find you now can't use the letter "f" with an asterisk, and the requisite remainder, in our own prison. Flucking bureaucrats.

by delbertpgh

California, which is cutting budgets for schools, health, and everything else, since 1978 has spent $4 billion maintaining death row and the procedural machinery for administering capital punishment, and has advanced only 13 prisoners to the end stage of the process. (Atlantic Monthly, Nov 2011.) The typical sentenced-to-death prisoner dies of old age or other causes, not punishment; those who were executed spent an average of 20 years in cells before it happened.

California is especially dysfunctional. In Texas, they succeed in executing a dozen each year, often more before important elections.

by ansugisalas

That's where the Soylent Green will be imported from first, I think.

Maybe California should outsource Capital Punishment to China... ship the perps over in retooled 20-foot containers.

Or they could just stop the pointless practice altogether, since storing criminals not scheduled for statemurder is far less expensive.

by john.a.wills

I deduce that many (by no means all) of them lack sustained ambition. They do not want to have a better life and are resigned to going in and out of prison on a fairly regular basis. They are not even interested in analyzing the benefits they receive from their crimes: crime (petty theft, common or even aggravated assault, whatever) is just something they do.

I have more personal experience with unemployed people, and I note an even wider-spread lack of ambition among them - though it may be that the kind of ambition I look for in a rational animal is generally rare and I just happen to have noticed it among the unemployed.

Once when unemployed myself and on the way to a job fair I was approached by a beggar; I said to him "Come with me to the job fair at the Hyatt; maybe you'll get a job.". He answered "Don't want one.". He had lost the will to achieve. At the Hyatt that day I did not get a job, but I did get a lot of free candy, some other freebies, and a free lunch; I had a good time. That beggar just hung around the front of the bank begging.

by santeewelding

Once, on a bridge at Istanbul over the Bosphorus, I heard, "Baksheesh! Baksheesh!"

I spied there, strapped in the upside-down shell of a sea turtle, a man his hand out, no teeth, begging of me alms.

In my glance I saw ancient military tunic with ancient medals and ribbons, of no account to me, and his knuckles wrapped in leather.

I ignored him.

Whereupon, completely legless and strapped to that turtle shell, he put down both fists to the pavement and swung himself and his contraption forward. Then forward again. Away.

Lo, many years forward from then, leaning against the open front door to my business in Southern California, I spied coming across the open parking lot toward me a figure strapped to oversized skateboard.

Baksheesh.

I ignored him, too.

by hippiekarl

Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier;
The last of Barrett's Privateers"

....could've been any of us.

by ansugisalas

There's a long processing system; takes in people not sure what they'll do, runs them through a meatgrinder couple of times, spits them out sure they'll never do a thing. Turns out trying grows old when never rewarded, like the complementary statement to pavlovs dogs.
We who have been told how we can succeed might not be able to understand what it's like to have been shown how a person cannot succeed.

At the very least, we may accept that it could require deprogramming - always an involved process.

by hal 9000

That it's limited to the wrong type of what you call Criminals.

For instance I very much doubt that Tricky Dicky falls into any of the categories that you mention or the members of the Board of Enron for instance.

Remember the old saying [b]Steal a Little they'll throw you in Jail Steal a Lot and they'll make you King?[/b]

Just because you are aware of the Low End Criminals who have no drive or ambition doesn't mean that they are all like that just the ones you get to deal with. ;)

Probably why they have different types of crime Blue Collar Crime and White Collar.

Just look at the Trader of that Swiss Bank who blew a cool 2 Billion without his Bosses even noticing the loss. The World is full of what are called White Collar Criminals but very few of them get caught as they are rewarded for their criminal activity till they start stealing too much. ;)

Col

by ansugisalas

They have drive, no? In fact, drive is what distinguishes them from all the ones who sympathize with them but can't be bothered. Criminals in their thoughts, all of them.

by john.a.wills

I was talking about low-end criminals. I have also encountered corrupt police officers, an important component of the criminality complex, and corrupt prosecutors, an even more important component, and I know about corrupt politicians. That is why I wrote "by no means all".

by hippiekarl

(clinic shooters, Unabomber, et al) that are committed by those with 'moral outrage' tend to be more violent and destructive than those committed for financial gain. Hyper-vandalism seeks to destroy publicly that of which it disapproves; greed/avarice seeks unnoticed gain.

There's another group of criminals: some of us who are disabled and self-medicate with certain analgesics that are illegal (because they work). This group commits 'crimes' that have no 'victim' (besides Big Pharma, who believe their monopoly on sinecures/placebos/dangerous betas is being subverted). In this best-of-all-possible worlds, 'victimless crime' should be an oxymoron.

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