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So Osama gets to Heaven and finds himself being beaten up by George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Patrick Henry, and nearly two score others.

"Allah, Allah, where are my forty virgins?!?", he cries.

"Virgins? I said 'Virginians'!"

Rot on the bottom, Fish-Food. May the crabs and lamprey fight over your entrails.

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by cmiller5400

I was debating whether to post something about Osama, but I just hadn't had the time to craft anything worth posting.

To be honest I have mixed feelings... It is a good thing he is gone, but on the other hand I really wanted him to stand trial for the atrocities that he had committed.

by robo_dev

He's dead either way, so putting him on trial would have made it worse for the survivors. What really is the point of a trial in a case such as this?

The benefit of capturing him alive would have been to gather more intelligence, since you could possibly locate and identify other contacts in the organization before they knew their leader was captured.

by ansugisalas

And apparently, didn't interfere enough to make the mission impossible... that's more than we can say for a lot of his immediate predecessors.
Now, these days we're easy to please, but the decision not to send in the bombers is very promising, sending in the bombers (or worse, cruise missiles) is what they've done so many times now, taking the easy way out.

If you're gonna murder someone, look them in the eye.

If nothing else, then to make sure they stay dead.

by jamesrl

Lets take the recent bombing in Libya. NATO says its a command and control centre, Libya says it was a family home and that his relatives were killed.

Throw big bombs in, and you will have a hard time proving anything.

Send in the Seals, and make them buddy up with some Pakistani military, and you have proof and witnesses.

Plus you have less potential for collateral damage.

by ansugisalas

It's very hard to be sure that a person who was in a building will also die when the building is obliterated, it comes down to stochastics, and stochastics don't know the phrase "one hundred percent".

And then there's Murphy.

by robo_dev

Excuse me while I get the paper towels to wipe the coffee off my computer screen.

You mean the same Pakistani military that was harboring Bin Ladin, protecting him, and who aids and supports the Taliban?

This compound was in the middle of where retired Pakistani military officers were living. If you believe that the Pakistani military and government did not know, then I've got some prime water-front property to sell you, cheap....:)

by jamesrl

Are there people in the Pakistani military and intelligence forces who may be sympathetic to the Taliban/Al Qaeda? Sure, especially the intelligence agency. Should they be totally trusted? It would be foolish.

But, the Pakistani Military has been campaigning against the Taliban forces in Northen Pakistan, and has probably killed more Taliban in the last couple of years than NATO forces have killed in Afghanistan. In the 2009 Swat Valley campaign they killed 1200 insurgents, and many Taliban leaders were arrested.Hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis were forced from their homes in the fighting.

The Taliban are terrorizing Pakistanis as well. They are bombing schools that teach girls. One of their governors has been assasinated by the Taliban. Does that sound like co-operation to you?

I also am aware that the Pakistani military have provided NATO valuable intelligence in the past that has helped them in Afghanistan.

As for where he was hiding, it makes some sense. The border area was too suseptable to strikes from UAVs. It would be difficult for the US to put UAVs over an area with a military base. And since Taliban country is closer to the border, it wasn't an area people were looking.

by nicknielsen

But being the political cynic I am, I find myself wondering what the Obama-haters will find in this one. Because you know they will.

by av .

Without question, in my opinion. He risked our relations with Pakistan by not informing them of the attack beforehand. He made a very bold, gutsy, well-calculated decision and he was right. Drone attacks and stealth bombers wouldn't have worked. We even have DNA evidence and pictures, that I suppose we'll see at some point, though gruesome. I like that they buried him at sea, too. Very smart. No shrine for Osama.

The Obama-haters have been silenced and have to give him so credit, at least for a day. This has kind of popped their balloon, so to speak, because they can no longer portray him as a "Community Organizer" or a weak leader. I hope the crow tastes good. Here are some opinions on the capture of Bin Laden by some of the GOP contenders, Donald Trump and even the infamous Rush Limbaugh.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/02/limbaugh-thank-god-for-president-obama/?hpt=T2

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Some of them can't bring themselves to say congratulations to President Obama for taking the risk. It makes me look at them as small people who are only interested in their own objectives. I was impressed that Donald Trump was big enough to congratulate Obama.

This country has waited for this moment for ten long years. Where I live and work in NJ, there are celebrations everywhere because we lost so many people in the terror attacks. Its not going to bring anyone back, but it was a day of rejoicing here. I'm forever grateful to our military and special forces for making this day possible. Also, our intelligence community. What an incredible amount of bravery it took to pull this off.

What can the Obama-haters say now? They should say job well done.

AV

by ansugisalas

they'll NOT find it. It will vanish from their memory.

Besides, what's Osama ever done to the US, for a while?

Besides, they'll probably drum up a person on the mission who happens to be/vote Republican, and use that to say : "Obama didn't do it, Joe the Spec-Ops Plumber did!" :p

by nicknielsen

But I haven't had time to do much more than skim the later reports.

Losing a helo with no major injuries is a major accomplishment in itself.

by jamesrl

Of the downed Helo, I had to think first of the Delta force attempt in 1980 to rescue the hostages in Tehran, and then of Somalia.

Glad to see that it was just the loss of helo.

by robo_dev

Somebody had to, in less than a minute, set an explosive charge to blow a multi-million dollar stealth attack helicopter to smithereens. Probably in total darkness, with the threat of enemy gunfire.

by gsg

It's the "software" that can't. I was glad to see that the only casualties were to the enemy.

by ansugisalas

It minimizes the "If anything can go wrong..." -factor. After all, competence figures in to make some of the things that go wrong not fail the mission.

by gsg

I've seen a couple, first, that the house was really empty, and the 2nd that they didn't kill him and bury him at sea because the sea was too far away.

by seanferd

So, maybe it would be prudent to invest in bauxite mining or aluminum production. The demand curve will be fantastic!

by ansugisalas

Stands to reason that every branch of their military or government might be infiltrated by their intelligence service...

by jamesrl

Immediately after the President's address, stated that the Pakistanis had both supplied the initial intel and been part of the raid. Obviously that story changed by the next morning.

The ISI has a bad rep, and deservedly so. It is almost impossible to know whether they officially or unofficially support the Taliban. But sometimes that cuts both ways. The info supplied to NATO in Afghan was apparently from the ISI who played both sides.

by ansugisalas

gotta love it : An infiltrator into the intelligence service, who betrays the organization he works for in order to give useful information to the people his country says they're siding with, rather than the people his organization is siding with.
And to think, just thirty years ago Europe was full of that kind of action.

by seanferd

I'll have to think about that one. I'm more inclined to think he should have been dropped off in The Hague.

by jamesrl

And the tribes have existed for thousands of years.

So the military and the intelligence service have members from many different tribes and groups. Pressure from family, religious leaders etc must be overwhelming.

In the cold war, Americans spied for Russia and vice versa. Not so different really.

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