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The outstanding job done posting latest comments first don't work no more. Is this apparent to anyone else?
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The outstanding job done posting latest comments first don't work no more. Is this apparent to anyone else?
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by ansugisalas
by seanferd
Ansu's post at top: Just in. But it looks like they are poking around with the site design, because bits are displaying like crap (esp. preference boxes expanded) and the Just In is now in a thread-width lime-green bar.
edit: LOL, it now has a Go To Comment function, but clicking it renders the comment on a page all by itself, now completely devoid of context. (Hard to get less context than before, but somehow this was managed.) But I assume this is still a work in progress.
We'll get to see if it is bad by design or bad because it is half-functional and in transition later. I still grant the benefit of the doubt. My ability to do that, however, is wearing quite thin.
Personally, I hate the Just in feature. If you can click it and find the location of the post, that would be great. otherwise, it is pointless to me. I'm glad the other top rider is gone - most popular or whatever it was.
edit again: I see Top Rated is now back in another thread. *sigh*. If you have fifty comments rated +2, and 2 is the highest rating in the thread, how is "top rated" determined? Not that it matters: How does it make any sense, and why would anyone care?
by ansugisalas
But not what was topical...
For a while it was so that the discussions were ordered chronologically, with newest on top - when clicking the "sort by date" section.
Now it's back to sorting oldest first by default... which is dumb.
Almost as dumb as the black bar.
_Goddamnit, bottom line has been anonymized, as if it's a suspect not yet proven guilty.
I say with Welles: Bottom line is guilty as hell, show us its face!
EDIT: Gah! Green?!? And now the title is a link again... and not the timestamp.
by boxfiddler
by boxfiddler
by boxfiddler
by seanferd
I'm hoping that this loading a whole new page thing for comment or reply is just a quirk of work in progress. If it is by design, it is beyond incredibly stupid.
Either way, I'm not impressed by the supposed awesome new crew of "experts", nor the supposed awesomeness of the new back end that supposedly makes changes easier. Not buying it one bit. Give us back the old forumware and Doug and company.
This ongoing travesty is worse by far than the previously worst site tinkering. Nothing was ever this bad.
I don't like making these comments, but they are true. These clowns are full of themselves, including the mouthpiece.
I've also noticed some of the best writers write less, or have seemingly disappeared. Too bad.
edit: Did I forget to mention the complete jerks and morons this site now attracts more than ever, in greater numbers? I'd gladly trade them in for the regular handful of blowhards with no critical thinking skills we used to have. And now with more spam than ever!
by ansugisalas
by boxfiddler
That this is your last breath about the matter. The place needs mouth-to-mouth, such as yours.
As for spam, to you I would award the very second Letter of Marque. To me, the first.
What are you and Boxy on about? I click 'Reply' and it does what it's done for the last six months - expands a Subject and Comment box directly beneath the 'Reply' link, between the comment I'm replying to and the one beneath it.
If restarting FF means winding up where you two are, I hope my UPS holds out when the power fails.
by jck
by boxfiddler
by hal 9000
What's happening to TR?
OH I see another upgrade but at least this time no more screen real estate has disappeared.
But maybe I speak too soon. :D
Col
by ansugisalas
by purpleskys
i set my preferences already to open discussions and questions in "expanded view"...stop making me change it now every time i open a new one!!!!!!! It's aggravating!
I like a nice, clean, orderly website, not this nonscense drively type stuff my 7 yr old would create because it was "pretty". I distaste flashy ads, ads that pop open at the top of my page making me have to close it and scroll back to where i want to friggin' read, useless flippin' toolbars at the bottom of my page that don't do a damned thing near as i can figure (if i want to read that particular blog, i'll see it when i go to the blogs tab), and the green friggin' ribbon around the two top comments looks like something else my 7 yr old would thing was pretty. I'll tell ya, if you're looking to alienate the ole faithfuls, you're doing a bang up job. Where's my steeltoed shoes so i can kick the kid that thought "this is just what ppl need".
Once again, there's my two cents worth that will be ignored by TPTB :(
Hey Purple!
What OS/Browser are you using that your settings aren't sticking? (cookies are on? have to ask :-D )
-Tammy [_]3
We are honored!
Since you're already down here in the gutter, maybe you can explain why we get subscribed to every discussion we post to, regardless of whether or not we check the 'Alert me when comments are made' box at the end of a discussion, regardless of whether we've disabled auto subscribing in 'Preferences / Community'.
by purpleskys
os Win7 64bit IE and cookies are always on...i'm running the same way i've been running for years. I'm a M$ girl, please don't ask me to change browsers as I have no desire to do so. And I really don't see how any of that has anything to do with the bells and whistles on the TR site.
And to make it better, I run ccleaner regularly, clear history and whatnot, defrag and reboot...sooo...
Oh, i should mention, the same thing happens on my work pc...also win7 ie and this one dumps everything the minute i close by browser.
by jasonhiner
by purpleskys
by ansugisalas
It'd be fun to read about handling all the wrinkles unique to updating a site like TR, after all, it's an IT project of huge proportions, and I guess it touches on just about every topic relevant to IT...
I understand if you want to wait until the last of the wrinkles are actually handled, but remember to document the process!
by boxfiddler
by boxfiddler
by purpleskys
by hal 9000
I've seen the branches for a few days now.
I'm using IE8 on XP mostly and occasionally IE9 on 7 64 Bit but I see these in FF, Chrome and Safari when I have to switch browsers to post.
For the last 5 days I've been able to post with IE though without any issues. Prior to that I used to just see the Reply Link Expand and then remain blank most of the time. You could try highlighting it and then scroll it off the page and sometimes that would bring up the Post Box. Not often mind you but often enough to make you try it before opening another browser. ;)
Col
by seanferd
by hal 9000
Go into Community Preferences and unpick the box beside Automatically notify me about discussions that I participate in. Well it's something like that.
If it's actually working I think you'll find that it stops subscribing you to every thread you make a post to. ;)
Col
Test, test, test.
I've tried this once, but it didn't appear after reloading the page.
Edit - okay it worked this time. Have we been able to go down seven levels since the overhaul? Have I just missed it, or is it new / returned? Is it only at the Water Cooler, or can we go that deep over in the regular Discussions?
is that the Down arrow remains in relative position. If you click it, it remains under your cursor regardless of the length of the post. When you're ready to move to the next post, you can click again without repositioning your cursor. Just keep clicking and the subsequent posts will continue to open.
They're also present beneath each expanded comment, but those adjust to stay positioned beneath the bottom margin of the comment. That means they don't stay in the same place relative to the cursor. Still, it's nice to see them on either side of the comment.
by ansugisalas
I've had to use the collapsed mode since I otherwise get too much information at a time :D
So I like this change, and since the everything opens without reload, it's working a lot better now.
by dogknees
My preference is to see everything, oldest at the top fully expanded. I like reading through the thread from the start.
Given that however, I also want to be able to easily see new posts in context and see if my posts have been replied to. Neither of these seems to be "easily" done in this interface.
by boxfiddler
by jck
by purpleskys
by av .
It always works, unlike IE. I have no issues with Chrome on TR. I use IE for most everything else, but when I have problems with sites, I always use Chrome instead.
AV
by seanferd
by louietr ...
by boxfiddler
by seanferd
by seanferd
so it is for me. Clicking the vote box loads me a 404 page as well.
I guess I'll check with other browsers, but I'm not avoiding my main just for TR. I hope everything stays functional for you.
by av .
I think TR used to have something like 4 levels back in the olden days. Maybe that means they will finally get rid of the "take offline to the water cooler" thing which is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. All you end up with in the water cooler are random posts that don't mean anything because it doesn't reference the originating thread.
I would think the 7 level change is sitewide, though I haven't tried it out yet.
AV
by nicknielsen
I found a link that takes you back, though...sort of: View entire thread.
Edit: Although it doesn't seem to be happening any more. At least it didn't hapen with this post.
2nd edit: I did have to add three more websites to my Noscript whitelist to get the pages to render correctly, though.
by av .
If you are in collapsed view and you click on a post, it shows you the post without changing your position in the thread. The up and down arrows can take you up and down through every post in the thread, without losing your place. Thats a good change, because in the past, you would just lose your place if you clicked on a link.
The collapsed view is definitely easier to navigate.
AV
edit: added "in the past"
by dogknees
by ansugisalas
I just have a lower capacity to handle parallel data feeds.
I can only properly take in a few posts at a time, so that's why I prefer the collapsed view.
Since January we've been limited to (four?).
'Take Offline' falls into the category of 'It seemed like a good idea at the time'. It's one of those things that looked good on the drawing board but proved ineffective (at best) when implemented. Nobody uses it except vulpine.
by golampo
I'm a developer w/ the site, and we have just pushed out several fixes in response to some of the bugs reported in this thread. We've worked hard on the new features, which are an attempt to provide a more usable discussion experience. I still see a few areas where we can make big improvements, but we are getting there. We've added the dynamic navigation element (arrows, auto-scrolling, keyboard commands, etc) to the expanded thread, as well as collapsed. If you don't like using the navigation, you can just ignore it and use the expanded view. The navigation will skip over items that are below your vote threshold.
Tip: Try navigating via the right and left arrows on your keyboard.
Fixes:
- Clicking 'Go to comment' on featured messages now takes you to the proper context in the thread. This also goes for the My Disucssion area. I did notice this still needs to be fixed on Contacts tab on the discussion door (will get that fix our shortly).
- Alert on reply was stuck in an "on" position. Check box should now always pull from your Community preferences. Sorry about that ;)
- Auto scrolling not correctly calculating on first comment
- Styling fixes (few more to come)
Please continue to let us know about any problems you find. Thanks for your help.
by louietr ...
by ansugisalas
Don't mind if we users are chomping at the bit - it's mostly from not knowing what's happening, so it's really nice to hear from the developer side!!!
Your work is appreciated, and now it seems like things are really shaping up!
Great work!
"Tip: Try navigating via the right and left arrows on your keyboard."
Omigawd.
"Alert on reply was stuck in an "on" position. Check box should now always pull from your Community preferences."
Thanks! I would have been satisfied just having the problem acknowledged. The silence from the PTBs and the constant misdiagnosis from the 'Site Help and Feedback' was at least as frustrating as the problem itself. Now I can clean up my Alerts and know that I'm not wasting my time. (It would be nice if the Alerts page had the same checkboxes as the Newsletters page, so that multiple Alerts could be unsubscribed in one operation instead of one at at time.)
by ansugisalas
https://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-347450?p=2&messageId=3489894
See if it displays wrong in your browsers too.
What I get is that when I scroll down, the black bar (sound of cursing) is stuck about 1/3rd of the way, and after that the thread continues. However, after the bar nothing is clickable, the page display buttons at the end ([1] [2] [3]) aren't working either.
by hal 9000
In both IE8 and the newest version of FF.
Col
by purpleskys
.. as well? If so, is it possible to change that? Them cookies are holding onto your settings (as has been explained to me)
-Tammy [_]3
by hal 9000
That some time through the day around midnight TR Mothership Time that the TR Discussion & Question pages revert back to postings that are quite some time old?
Then when you go to the [b]View More[/b] the postings there are all over the place according to the date that they where posted?
On the Question side of the Forum the shown questions are again old and when you click on the [b]View More[/b] there are no questions.
It's beginning to drive me nuts as all of the existing Questions/Discussions from that day just disappear and are unfindable again unless you know exactly what they where headed where you can Google them.
Col
by ansugisalas
So seemingly random and inexplicable
Could be hard to fix for that same reason :(
by golampo
:D
Thanks.
by golampo
I've deleted all but 17 alerts (again). Let's see if I get auto-subscribed to any new ones.
Thanks.
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