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I would like to know if anybody has setup a backup solution using hard drives? We are using ArcserveIT for our backup software. The owner does not want to use tapes for backup so that is not an option here. Also we have around 120 GB of data thatneeds to be backup. I have found 181 gb hard drives by Seagate that can handle our capacity. Any suggest on this I would appreciated it.
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Jimmy

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by lo

Hi - disk-disk is 'better & faster' but it is also much more $, depending on defintion of backed up.

Things to consider:
1) with 120gb of source & 181 gb of backup, at a 2:1 compression, you only get about 3 backups in 181 gb (181 / (120 / 2) )That is only 3 day, 3 wk, 3 mth, depending on how often you backup. Want longer backup, another 181gb of disk, new server, expansion cabinet, etc.

2) disk-disk assumes that your backup disk will NEVER (and I mean NEVER) crash, or at least not when you need it to do a restore. With today's disks, maybe, I wouldn't be willing to take that chance

3) ask yourself, is there any situation where, 4 day, 4 wk, 4 mth, 4 yr, where for some valid business reason, a file 4 day, 4 wk, etc. old needsrestored. If answer is no, fine with disk-disk that holds 3 day, wk, etc. If not, when that occurs someone is going to ask you "Who's stupid idea was it to do disk-disk for only N periods?". If you are able to say, "My Boss" and still be working,they will then ask, "Did you discuss the ramifications of such a backup strategy?"

The real benefit of tape is large capacity backup for 'reasonable' $ & time. A really good DLT that holds 70+gb is about $2,500 drive and $75 for 1 tape. Calculate the disk-disk for this backup (we do similar at work wiht 2 35gb (os, applications, user files, etc.)and 1 20gb (database):
Daily: 45 days, 3 tapes each, 135
Weekly (done instead of daily): 18 weeks, 3 tapes each, 54
Monthly (done instead of daily): 6 months, 3 tapes each, 18.

Cost: 135 + 54 + 18 = 207 at $75 = $ 15,525, 2 tape drives at $2,500 each, $ 5,000, Total: 20,525 for backup that will give some level of recovery for 1.5 year. There are other costs in this, storage, aintenanceand replacement on drives, scraping tapes, etc. I don't know of any means that gives a good a backup for a reasonable price.

by ciscofred

The boss does not care about price and he does not want the word tape near him, so i don't have a choice in the matter. I much rather use tape myself.

by cavedweller

Here's an whacky idea but you seem to have a whacky requirement. Get a server with hot-swap RAID disks. Buy some extra disks and mounting kits. Setup mirroring. Once a day (or whenever) pull the mirror drive and replace it with one from your backup set. Hopefully your controller won't run too slowly while it re-creates the new mirror. I would try to use a raid controller instead of a general-purpose SCSI card. I'm not sure what will happen when you start to recycle the drives in your "backup" set, that is, put in a drive with old files on it instead of a clean one.

A more expensive variation on this theme is to setup two identical servers and use replication to update the backup one periodically. I would keep the system files on a seperate disk and just use the removabl e raid for data. Swap out the backup's disks for backup and reformat the recycled ones between replication operations.

The second method has the added advantage of being a complete hot spare for the primary server.

by ciscofred

To add to my question: Right now I am using 72 GB hard drives to backup up or cad Dir. 23.6 GB. I use ArcservIT to do a copy to the 72 GB drive files that have changed. We have to unmount the drive in disk management and unlock the drive and put in the new drive from last week. We have 5 75 GB hard drives that we rotate around each day. Another problem- we are rebuilding an hp netserver and will put in 12 18.2 GB hard drives. This will become our new file server, this is I would like toinstall the hard drive for backup solution.

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