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by tardbag135

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its a custom built puter.... gigabyte EG45M-DS2H is the mobo.

but what my issue is i have issues with it turning itself on in the middle of the night.

i recently switched from windows XP to windowws 7. but it has happened with both OSs.

i ran a test....

when my mp3 player is plugged in charging while the computer is off, (it keeps USB powered while system is off for charging) sometime while im sleeping it turns on. when it is unplugged, this doesnt happen.

WHY? and how do i fix it?

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by wanttocancel

Check and make sure that this setting is enabled for you make any changes. If so that might be your culprit. You can boot the system via a UBS port and maybe your MP3 player is somehow sending a message to boot the system.

by oh smeg

You need to understand how ATX Power Supplies work. They are on all of the time well the low voltages are at lest and when there is a Ripple on the 5 V DC Rail the PS Turns on and runs the system.

This happens when you push the On Switch. What I think i happening here is that when the MP3 is charged it turns off and the Ripple on the 5 V DC Line is being interpreted as the signal to switch on by the PS.

Ideally you shouldn't leave devices like this plugged in to charge while the system is off as the Voltage may be present but the current isn't. So you are overtaxing the PS by doing this and causing the problem.

Col

by tardbag135

yes i understand how the PSU works considering the USB has a constant on 5V power line going to it. but just yesterday, my ipod and everything was unplugged...and it came on out of nowhere. now whats happening?

also, would it matter if my computer is in Standby versus Shut Down? i always leave it in standby so i can get right back to where i was when i come back to it.

thnaks for the help.

by oh smeg

In Standby the computer is still running it's just at a reduced power consumption mode but it is still fully operational to all intents and Purposes.

If it is in Stand By this is related tot he software and isn't a hardware issue and there is something causing this to happen.

With Gigabyte M'Boards look in BIOS and see what the BIOS Resumption is set to. You should only have it set to restart by the Power On Button and defiantly not to be restarted when Power is returned or by a LAN, Keyboard/Mouse or USB. If you have it set to restart when Power is Returned any Voltage Fluctuations on the mains can cause the unit to restart. In one area where the house was at the end of that Mains Line and the power was more than a bit marginal I've seen other unrelated devices like AC Units cause the computer to turn on when they switch on or off. At certain times of the day just switching on an External Dial Up Modem was sufficient to turn the computer on. but really any spike on the mains would cause this to happen.

I haven't seen this more than one but I don't do a lot of Domestic Work so I'm defiantly no expert here but in that case we fitted a UPS and solved the problem.

Col

by rob miners

Any number of programs can cause this. Antivirus, Windows Updates and Messaging services come to mind. I normally set a screen saver for 10 minutes and turn the Monitor off after 20 minutes. But I always log off as I don't want anyone accessing my System.

I had a client that was having these symptoms and it turned out that Wake on Ring was enabled in the BIOS. She would shut the System down for the night and at 9.30pm her daughter would call her and her System would startup.

by tardbag135

Wow. I never knew a computer was a next generation alarm clock.... LOL. I don't have a modem in this tiny machine, for obvious reasons that I don't and never will use dial up again.

However I think wake on LAN might be at fault. I'll check the bios.

by rob miners

cable to try. It may have been damaged and is shorting.

by rob miners

That would do the trick but I would still use a Powerd USB HUB with it.

by tardbag135

yea i agree....i wouldnt expect it to send high power over that distance. and usb hubs are dirt cheap now.....even EXT. powered ones....well worth it.

thanks.

by seanferd

I hadn't thought about Wake settings in BIOS. I go into setup so little on newer machines.

by tardbag135

Right now my computer is far away from my router and I don't have any LAN ports in my room to connect to. Otherwise I probably woildve considerred wake on LAN as a possibilty. I'm not sure if it also goes for "wake on wifi" by tmot totally sure yet..

by oh smeg

If you have a working WiFi Access point and this system is connected to it.

Don't forget WiFi is still a LAN and the router/WiFi Access Point has 2 way communication with the computer. The Router has to regularly Handshake with the computer to keep a valid connection and while it wouldn't be my first place to look it may still be part of the problem here.

Col

by tardbag135

The bios has wake on LAN, on ping, and via KB/M - ALL disabled.

However although these are disabled, I ran some more tests. (to help you guys diagnose my problem)

Remember, all those setings are disabled.

Out of totalrandomness, I started pressing random keys on the keyboard. Tower started back up.

Clicking and scrolling the mouse in the same situation -- trned back on.

Make note I have a totally wireless keyboard and maouse combo. no physical wired connectins only simply by a usb receiver.

As you have stated before, not to leewve devices plugged In to USB while off. So I unplugged my iPod from the computer yesterdsay. At around 1045, I woke up to the sound of an active hard drive.....:( yes it turned on....again.

While the iPod was unplugged, something else wasn't ---- the iTunes sync cable. It was plugged into the front USB but no iPod connected. So then I ran another test...by unplugging the cable.

Tonight.......SILENCE!

I'm very good at what I do with computers, especially wih troubleshootig. But this just puzzles me. If you need any more details, just ask.

Thanks again for the help!

by tardbag135

I like the smiley face throwing windows out the "window" how creative!

by tardbag135

if you havent seen the other replies, i will be running more tests in the future by removing all externally connected hardware. ill need some time to do this so i might do it on my spring break in April when i dont get any HomeWork.

ii think there are several posts that you may not have seen yet, but they dont display as NEW. check them all out and see if you missed any.

i now am on lan, with the wifi card disabled.

i havent figured out exactly what causes it, but it is not my ipod nor my sansa. so thats eliminated.

some of the hardware connected via rear USB ports ill have to tinker with it. thats the only stuff i HAVENT unplugged yet.

check the other posts.....i forgot what other important info i said earlier.

thanks again for the help.

by tardbag135

I've always used standby on my laptop and my old desktop which I have sold to my aunt now.

And on these machines I've never had them "raise from the dead" bythemselves. Then again, I purchased those retail whereas the one I'm having issues with.. I built it myself and to my surprise and to everyone elses surprise who i gave the specs to, worked flawlessly with all the features I was trying to pack into a microatx case. Well there's just a little backgroud on me and how I built iit.

by oh smeg

But that's just me maybe however the chances of it restarting without you wanting it to are much higher.

I would suggest plugging in a PS2 Mouse & Keyboard here and see what if anything happens even if it is a USB Type Mouse & Keyboard USB are just not the most suitable option available and do some strange things.

Col

by tardbag135

why would it be that the iPod sync cable, when plugged in with NO device (just the wire) turn the computer back on, versus it being unplugged. i didnt think that it mattered as long as the iPod it self was not charging while the computers off.

????

its just a wire...what gives?

by oh smeg

But as Apple where responsible for making the USB Interface originally they may have built more into the Data & charging lead than other companies are prepared to do. After all the inventors generally have a better idea of what their inventions can do than those who adopt latter and only look at what has been parsed off as a Standard to comply with.

But by the sounds of things there is some sort of circuit in the actual lead or maybe more correctly the Plug that goes into the IPod. I don't own or use IPods and haven't been allowed to pull a lead apart by their owners for some strange reason. :D

Col

by tardbag135

iPods only come with one but my friend also has an iPod and the cable to it also. ill have to borrow his and see if that works. it cant be shorting and damaged - its less than a week old from the box. and the Ipod touch charges and syncs without any problem.

ive actually solved my problem simply by unplugging everything. at least it works. (for now)

if i recall correctly, if a USB device shorts out while connection to the motherboard, the power supply will shut off immediately to prevent any component damage. this is what happened on my old computer from 2002 with a AMD athlon XP. ive never had anything short in my new one, about 2 months old w/ a core 2 duo e8600 3.3ghz. (nor do i plan on it)

by rob miners

a USB extender cable plugged in all of the time with no problems. On another PC I have a 4 port NON powerd HUB connected all of the time with no problems. Then again i'm not familiar with Ipods. But I will add that I never leave anything connected to them as they are safely removed before shutting down.

by tardbag135

whats the difference between a USB repeater cable and a USB extension cable? i heard the repeater ones can go for great distance.

i have a PCI usb card (4 ports) for expansion which gives me a total of 14 usb ports (13 EXT, 1 INT)

Most of the time i ususally just unplug the device anyway as long as there is no data activity. i know its not the best thing to do, but ive never had an issue with it.

by tardbag135

Ovbiously this is kinda off tangent from the main question, but.....

I know that 1 of those types of USB cables can go for hundreds of feet. Or some long distance like that. Which one? I'm looking to extend USB for such distances. Which would be the btter way to go?

I've seen those USB to ether adapters that make it go for long distances but I'm not sure ezaxttly how from they go w/o degrading the signal.

Thanks again, I might start another thread on this if I need to.

by tardbag135

i guess thats what makes windows windows and what makes mac.....MAC. although apple and microsoft have made their products compatible with each other's OS, no matter how good of compatibility, it will never work as good as with its own OS.

Take the iPod for example. Even though it is designed for BOTH mac and windows, there will always be a little minor issue, hardware or software, that will mark as a "problem" or "flaw". And when used with Mac, their own OS, problems cease to exist. (general statement; problems happen all the time)

Thanks again to all that helped. Specifically to Oh smeg and jackie howe. thanks guys!! :)

by rob miners

Basically a USB Repeater will convert the USB signal into another signal, transmit it over some medium such as Cat 5, Wireless, or Fiber Optic. Those are the most common methods.

A USB Extender will extend your USB port to a remote location, without converting your signal.

by oh smeg

I think you are confusing USB with CAT 5/6 Cabling here.

Generally speaking the maximum length of a USB Cable to remain usable is 5 Meters or around the 15 Foot Mark.

CAT5/6 Cables can go 175 Meters between Hubs' Switches or the like but certainly not USB Leads.

You can however add up to 128 USB Devices per USB Port with the use of USB Hubs but if you are using a lot of USB Devices that get their power from the USB Port you'll most certainly need to incorporate Powered USB Hubs.

Col

by tardbag135

Ok I unplugged everything and somehow I don't think iPod is at fault. My computer is still turning on. When i do anything on my keyboard or mouse It turns it on. Make note I have a wireless(non bluetooth) keyboard and mouse combo, so they both share the same USB receiver. And the option to wake via kb or mouse are both disbaled.

It's not affecting anything, but note I have now run a ether
line to my room so I am on LAN now and have gone into windows and disabled the wifi PCI card.
If this becomes too much of an issue I will put it into hibernate Instead of standby. But just today I went to shut
down the system and it stArted to shut down but then went
right back to the desktop. I tried shut Dow. Hibernate and
stand by nothing worked. I eventually gave up and just
unplugged it. When I rebooted it was fine shutting town
afterwards.

Also it came on in the middle of the night and I heard the usual HDD clicking when theirs dataactivty meaning it was trying to start up then all of a sudden the motor stops spinnig then like 2 secs later it kicks back on. Then off and on......repeating this same pattern until I pull the plug. I highly doubt it's an HDD failure becuz it never happens when it's running.

Oh and is There any free software that I can take advantage of the hdd smart capability?

I'm only 14, so I obvioulsely don't know as much as u guys, but I do know a lot about all aspects of (non fruit) computers. But that's why I'm here to learn and get better experie de with people who have dealt with this before.

I'm sure by now this is just as co fusing to you, as it is me. If u need any more system details or tests run let me know , I'll get that info for you. thanks guys 4 being so patient with my technical difficulties.

by rob miners

I have a test bench where I use a wireless Keyboard and Mouse. When I leave the room with a System running the monitor is off but if I forget to physically turn the monitor off I can guarantee that the Logon screen will be showing in the morning. That is even though I have set the Power options to turn the Monitor off after 20 minutes and the Hard drive to Never. I have PS2 connections for mouse and keyboard but I am convinced that they are interfering with the Power settings. It doesn't happen on my other Systems as they are a combination of USB and PS2.

I personally only use Standby or Hibernation on my Notebooks and not on a Desktop. I either run my Systems full time by setting the Power options to turn the Monitor off after 20 minutes and the Hard drive to Never or I shut them down at the end of the day. Four different Systems are on 24/7 to allow for remote access from my main System on which I normally do a restart when I'm finished for the day along with the other two. My File Server is only restarted when updates require it. Screensaver is set to come on in 10 minutes. I haven't seen any significant differences in the lives of my Systems or Hard drives as to whether they have been left on or turned off overnight. If I need quick access I only need to hit the Esc key and logon.

If it is starting early in the mornings it could also be Automatic Updates. Do you know where your local power grid runs. If you are at or near the end of the grid you may have power fluctuations that can cause all sorts of problems.

The default setting when you press the Power button on XP and Vista is to shut the System down. Check it to see that it is still set at this setting unless you are using it for Standby. For W7 it's set to Sleep.

To turn on Smart Drive go into the BIOS by pressing the Del key and press Ctrl+F1 at the entry screen. On some systems it will allow you more control over the settings.

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1055303.html

At the young age of fourteen the world is your oyster. Good luck and I'm glad that you have an avid interest in IT.

As you have probably already noticed there are quite a few members here that are only too happy to help someone out if they have problems and someone may have some more ideas.

Hey you haven't updated your tag to tardbag14. :p

by tardbag135

I'm not a demanding person and I don't expect instant responses for my tech problems. I'm glad for that.

I almost was also considering that there was something up with the wireless kb/m receiver. And like I stated awhile back, the power to the USB ports on this computer never shuts off unless the IEC power cord is physically unplugged. Make not that none of this happens when I go into windows and click shut down. And in win7 I did make sure that the power button is set to shut down.

I'm not sure how long u have been in the computer industry but im sure ur well aware now that eberything is USB now. almost all manufacturers are dropping ps/2 support on their mobos and replacing it with adittionsl USB ports. I sold my last ps/2 enabled computer to my aunt so that's totally off my hands.

I know windows update default is 3 am, but I changes it to 4pm. Not sure that software is an issue but anybodys guess...

I don't know where the grid is but if that was an issue wouldn't it do that to my familys desktop puters as well?

Yes I have smart hdd enabled in bios I was looking for software to monitor it. I found a free one and does exactly as I want it.

And yes thank you for the kind commers of support. I started getting into this back in 6th grade. It was only 3 years ago, but hard to believe that we were still using floppies... :)

Lately I have made the most of my money by getting rid of vista and replacing it with xp. Many of my dads friends and coworkers hate it. I don't becuz I know how disable the crap and enable the good in vista. But fore some reason they've still not settled for it and ask me to reformat it into xp. The worst part is finding drivers. Wow is that the most fun 2 hour googlesearch or what?

Yes I have seen the members who are the same (willing) people who give me real answers. Specfixally you and oh smeg. Very helpful answers.

The reason It is 135 is becuz that is the 135th account that I've created under the tardbag name. As you can tell it's not the nicest name, but I quicklycreated it on here in desparate need for a sound driver issue. After this question is finally layed to rest I might ditch this account and create a different one and put all legit ibformation up so that it doesn't look like I've created my own city (tardbag, tenessee)

Thanks again :)

by wireeater

Have you tested to see if your power supply unit is at fault. Sounds like the symptoms of a over drawn/bad power supply unit to me.

What brand is it, how many watts, how many drives(HD,CD etc), cards, fans do you have running on it?

by tardbag135

I was considering that as a possibility also. It is a very special psu. Similar to a server psu but in a microatx case.

Mfg: in win
Power: 300w

I have a 3 port PCI USB expansion card, and ASus my cinema tv tuner, and a ralink wifi a/b/g adapter (pci).

CPU fan and 1 80mm case fan. It's got 4 multicolor changing leds but it don't draw much.

Core 2 duo e8600 3.33ghz; 45nm tech; 65watts

Wd velociraptor 300gb

Lg super multi blue optical drive
Bdrom
Cdr/rw
Dvdr/rw

Internal card reader ( for digi camra)

4gb ram stick

Motherbord ----gigabyte eg45m-ds2h

Hope these details help you.

Ps. Many ppl (before I built it) said that the psu would be too small at 300w. But the fact it can run and run and run at full processing and I see no smoke and the processors temp is usually 36c. I must be doing something right to get these kinda results.....

by rob miners

how do you remember them all. I thought that it was for your age when you created it, 13.5.

This is my 20th year playing with these things. I first got addicted by a program named Quattro Pro while doing a Computer based Book-keeping course. I'm still running 5 year old equipment. It's not the latest and greatest but I get by.

Windows Update. I tried to change it once but it kept defaulting back to 3am so I haven't botherd with it since. It hasn't let me down or given me any problems. Touch wood.

If there are no other problems with power in the household we can count that one out.

3 years of experience is good. If you don't understand something reasearch it, but you have to wade through the crap sometimes. I've been a member of Driver Guide for years and I find most drivers there or the manufacturers sites.

Is there any problem with leaving your system running with the monitor powerd off and the hard drives set to never turn off, or for that matter turning it off overnight as opposed to having it on Standby

by tardbag135

well actually to remember the accounts i go tardbag1, tardbag2, tardbag 3....and so on. i make all the passwords the same. so its very easy to remember - just by changing the number.

and i created 135 several months ago. i just hit 200 accts. today.

hey, 5yrs old isn't bad. i just built this system in November...not too long ago. but remember, when you buy something, it is automatically outdated and replaced with something new. and its pointless to go and buy new stuff every time something is released. (meanwhile emptying your bank account...) technology is always improving and always will be. so having the newest stuff isn't always the best choice. especially if its buggy.

yea windows update (not automatic updates) is set for 4PM. and like i said before this only happens with MY tower, NOT my moms or dads.

and yes i always research stuff when i have a problem, and usually i come here. i tried yahoo answers but there's too many idiots that are inaccurate and don't care about helping so i don't use that anymore. i find tech republic sooo much more reliable with people who HAVE a brain w/ knowledge and USE IT!

yea i haven't tried driver guide but i think i will have to. but like u said i go to MFG sites as well. usually when VISTA to XP, i cant go to the system manufacturer because they want to force you to use vista. not going to stop me...i go to the MFG of the HARDWARE ITSELF, not the MFG of the computer. works great except broadcom drivers are a living hell. ugh i never want to deal with them again. however most companies are now installing my personal favorite, (top of the line) Intel wireless adapters. i find these to be the best in speed and strength of signal. great products...old and new. not to mention all the other great products they make...

and no, i cant leave it running because its right next to my bed where i sleep. its quiet, but i rigged it up with CFT and LED lights so that's an issue. otherwise i would. ill just stick to hibernate because hibernate actually is SHUT DOWN, but it saves the current state of the computer in temp files. ill have to start using that from now on.

Thanks again.

PS. i heard MS is dropping XP support when win7 is OFFICIALLY released. (not beta, which i have)

is this true? i sure hope not. my dad loves his xp and has tried vista and thinks it sucks. by drop i mean updates and support.

my moms still a big fan of winME - classified the worst windows OS ever. i cant convince her enough. but hey, everybodys different...

and the somewhat awkward part: when i look back to using windows vista and XP, it almost makes me just freeze for a moment to think how far things have gone since then. windows 7 will totally change the works of windows. and in my opinion, is a decent sized learning curve. it didnt take me long to adapt, but for some of those die hard XP fans, i feel so sad if they have to upgrade... :( (for whatever reason)

by rob miners

I've seen all of this before and I think that part of it is that people don't like change. I ran ME on an Intel based system for 2 years with no problems at all before moving on to XP. With SP3 it is pretty stable now anyway. I think that it will be a long time before you won't be able to get applications for XP. In fact, Microsoft plans to support Windows XP until April 2014.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-xp/future.aspx

I have a mate who has been running W7 since the Public Beta release and he reckons that its the ants pants. It actually recognises his 4GB RAM and runs his major games like WOW and NFS. What I like about Vista and W7 is the fact that you can take a Backup Image of the drive and if you have any problems you can do a restore and you are up and running again in no time.

by breezer85

There is a Scheduled Task set to run on the PC (which can wake the PC up to run) or maybe an Anti Virus Software kick starts your PC when it wants to scan.

Check it out!

by tardbag135

i have scheduled tasks disabled. i use AVG free 8 and have scheduled scanning disabled.

by wizard-09

You think that it might be your MP3 player doing this, have you tried to disconnect the MP3 player from the machine and then see if it still powers on the system.

Have you anything else connect to the machine?

by oh smeg

I've been using it ever since I tried to throw a computer into a swimming pool to get away from it. Only problem was that the customer didn't have a lone enough extension lead so that the unit would be powered on when it hit the water. :)

That was back in the days of SP1 for XP and every time I applied it to that particular machine the Partition Information of the Boot Drive was wiped so on the reboot after finishing installing the Service Pack the system failed to do anything.

Not bad for what was supposed to be a 15 minute job on a Sunday that just didn't quite turn out as expected. The fact that I wasn't getting paid for it either didn't help at all. :(

OH are you still having issues with this as I didn't see anything new mentioned recently?

Col

by tardbag135

ive never tried it, but i did see the HDD image backup utility. sounds like a great feature.

i got 4gb ram in this machine and W7 recognizes it as such.

Microsoft initially said that they wouldl support XP till 2014, but i received an email from one of my techlist subscriptions stating that it has changed to the release date of windows 7. whether or not that is true, i have no clue as i didnt write the newsletter.

and yes i think almost every company will continue to support XP even if microsoft doesnt. as far as i know its the most widely used OS right now.

your right. people dont like change. my mom is included in that group. she has used her winME for 9 years now and loves it even more then her winXP laptop. her ME is getting ready to die, almost every time it boots there is a DLL eror message. i hope it dies. i cant wait to load XP on it.

another thing i noticed in windows 7 is that the boot screen is very fast. mine takes around 5-6 seconds to boot and the boot time does NOT change, no matter how much software is loaded. i would always remember in windows XP, when loading drivers and software, i would count the number of bars it took to boot. it would increas every time. not the case for W7 - same time all the time. and also they changed the boot screen to 4 colored spheres (R,B,G,Y) and they spin around in circles and then form into the windows logo. so cool!

just my $.02 .

by tardbag135

im not sure if you read the other replies, but this actually is not the problem. ive tried doing that and it still selfboots. it might be my wireless USB keybOARD/mouse combo.

i have to run some more tests for like days at a time to truly determine the problem.

take note: the only things connected (not including expansion cards) are a power cord and monitor cord. thats everything else is wireless. Oh and a USB adapter for the keyboard/mouse. NOTHING ELSE.

hope this helps.

by tardbag135

i use drivermax but i havent found any updates with it at all. it said no newer drivers. i go to realtek.com to check for new drivers and BAM! there are new ones so it didnt quite pick up on it yet. its still a good program.

by tardbag135

yea i got a ps2 keyboard and a usb mouse. i also have a ps2 mouse, but i only have 1 ps2 port so ill try without first.

by seanferd

DriverMax did really well the last time I tried it, but I'm curious as to the experiences of others. I usually don't trust automated driver searches.

I did like the installed driver backup. Of course, there are other apps that do that as well.

I believe the free version of DriverMax is time-limited as well.

Cheers. :)

by tardbag135

Well after running some tests with the keyboard and mouse, I've succesfully identified that as the culprit. Why? Read on to see. It's a weird story, but makes completely logical sense.

I'll have to go and check the bios settings, because I've seen something in there about wake on keyboard and wake on mouse. I'm pretty sure It was disabled, but I guess not. I've determined that the mobo is IN FACT receiving a call for boot from the mouse. And because they share the same USB receiver, it was hard to tell which is at fault. What to do now? EASY. Pull the batteries out of one device, and see if it kicks on. If not, vice versa to the other device. I did just that and figures it was the mouse.

Here is what is happening:
Between the dryer, furnace, and motor in our hot tub, they all make vibration. Excluding the dryer, the other two run at night as well as the day. (not consistently) and my computer is in my room directly above them. So the vibration is much more than on the other side of the house. When I am sitting at my computer desk, I can distinctly feel vibration on my desk, however it is not very bad.

The mouse in this combo is a LASER mouse, hence very sensitive to movement. (sensitivity is set to high)

The vibration is vibrating my desk where my mouse sits with no mouse pad. It's sounds rediculous, but very true. The laser is detecting the mouse being extremely slightly moved, and interprets it as movement. When system is suspended, any "movement" or "action" is interpreted as a signal to initialize a system boot, and turns the computer on when I didn't.

I've already double-proofed my theory by turning the mouse upside down. When I did this, it didn't kick on. Every single time....

My dad always taught me very good troubleshooting skills, but not in the computer area of engineering. however, that knowledge will pay off eventually.

Please reply to this if you have something to add or comment on. The responses here have been great. Keep up the good work! ;)

Thanks,
- Corey -

by thumbsup2

Very good troubleshooting there! I don't think any one of us would have thought about household vibration unless we personally visited your room to see the setup.

Good Job! :D

by rob miners

it was the mouse but for different reasons. You my young friend Corey, have a very logical mind. Congratulations on a job well done.

Rob

by seanferd

If you could only give yourself a Thumb. :D

:-bd

Never occurred to me that the mouse might be in a subtly unstable environment.

by wireeater

See, that's the problem with doing this kind of work. It can be a thousand things, and we always want to start with the most technical ones, when all along it could be the most simplest solution/problem.

by breezer85

Well done mate! Sometime in life it can be the most simpilest of things...!

by tardbag135

Maybe I'm not seeing it's lasting effects because all of my drivers are already up to date. I am aware realtek updates their drivers VERY frequently, and for good reasons. So maybe that's why it is so. But overall I ran a driver check on it and was very impressed at how it stores and displayed your system results and details on a web page so you can send it to tech gurus if you need help. Or access them from anywhere.

5 stars out of 5 - sure beats those "pay for" programs.. Kudos to open source and FREEware! :P

by rob miners

that you just performed. I must admit that I wouldn't have thought of that as being the problem. It's something that I won't forget in a hurry though. An overly sensitive mouse. LOL or really ROFLOL. Thank you for sharing the solution.

by tardbag135

It always good to share knowledge with others---everybody benefits.

This thread is excessively filled, so I will create a new one about the GHOST HARD DISK DRIVE that I have encountered and am still somewhat creeped out about. Check around...it will be posted in the hardware section.

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