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How can I separate system files from boot files?

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How can I put the operating system files on a separate partition from the boot files on windows server 2003?

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by older mycroft

Why would you want to find any distinction between them, when they are each entwined with the other.

What do you imagine boot files do?

They boot the operating system to generate a live OS.

Do you have ANY computer knowledge at all ??

by hamidaljaro

Your reply to the question indicates that you are in the wrong website altogether. I won't waste my time explaining to you the difference between them cos it's too complex for a RETIRED man like you to understand.
I would advise you to spend your time in an animal caring forum and just retired your mind from the IT you are too old for it really.
All the best on your search for a suitable forum .

by older mycroft

Yet you appear to have the gall to pop up here and talk down to me?

You really shouldn't get angry simply because you couldn't find a reasonably intelligent answer to my question. This attacking stance is the action of a buffoon, and until you provide a more detailed explanation as to your intended action of separating indistinct files from each other, I fear you will not get any further.

What are you hoping to gain by placing some in another partition - they'll still be on the same HDD.

by hamidaljaro

Hope you'll fid this useful,and I'm quoting from mindleaders.com coursware for MCSA (The system partition is the disk partition that stores the hardware-specific boot files (NTLDR, boot.ini, NTDETECT.COM) that are needed to load Windows NT-based operating systems (NT, 2000, and 2003).

The system partition must be a primary active partition in computers that use the x86 instruction set. Only primary partitions can be made active. The active partition is the one to which the computer looks first to start the boot process. This is usually, but not always, designated as C. The system partition cannot be stored on a logical drive.
The boot partition is the disk partition on which the root operating system files are located. This is the partition on which you install the operating system during setup (in the WINDOWS folder by default.) Windows Server 2003 prompts you during installation to create the primary partition it uses for the Windows boot partition. After installation, you can use the Disk Management MMC if you want to create more partitions.

The boot partition can be the same partition as the system partition. This generally occurs if you install the operating system to C. The boot partition can also be any other (inactive) primary partition, or it can be a logical drive within an extended partition. It is generally considered best to put the operating system files on a separate partition from the boot files. Then, if something happens to one of these vital partitions, you may be able to restore just the boot files or just the system files, rather than having to restore both.)

Please the third paragraph carefully.

by older mycroft

Last time I heard that phrase, "[i]generally[/i]" didn't mean UNIVERSALLY.

Until it does, I am just as entitled to my opinion as they are to their view.

However, by the same token: "[i]Then, if something happens to one of these vital partitions, you [u]may[/u] be able to restore just the boot files or just the system files, rather than having to restore both.[/i]"

Why does this not say "you [u]most definitely WILL[/u] be able to.." ??

Again, it is only an opinion and a tenuous one at that. ;)

by cg it

This is the boot.ini file which specifies where the operating system is:

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect

So you can put the boot.ini files on a seperate partition [which is the primary active partition] and put the operating system somewhere else other than the default, but that simply complicates the the whole thing.

What's the point?

by kenone

Are you trying to install your OS system files to a partition other than your primary active partition?
When the OS installation program asks you where you want to install the OS to pick a different partition.
Don't usually see that done except in the case of multi boot installations.

by older mycroft

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...So, there we have it. Of course, this particular complainant is probably also now RETIRED, and far too old to understand the complexities of separating Boot Files from System Files, based on one of MindLeaders' crappy, cheap, converted-to-HTML-with-stupid-pictures-publications that advises what they consider as "generally accepted".

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by darpoke

consensus on this board so far sums it up pretty well, but just for my two cents:

The only partitions I have ever lost have been those that were on a failed HDD. Let me clarify: I've had several HDDs fail in the past and on those occasions ALL partitions were lost.

I could understand wishing to separate locations if it provided redundancy, but separate partitions is not the way to do this - it's like putting Barack Obama and Joe Biden in separate rooms on Air Force One. If anything were to happen to one, it's overwhelmingly unlikely the other would survive.

Personally, I keep the OS on our server here on its own HDD, a little 79GB one, while I have a separate 1TB drive partitioned into the shares and caches I need to support our collaborative services.

The only viable reason to separate filesystem components of a single machine is to prevent user space from filling up the partition where the OS resides. It's a good idea to use partitioning to avoid this. But it's not an issue you are likely to face with the situation you outline, and confers no real benefit at the cost of obscurity and complexity.

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