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The current actual temperature where I live is -17. With wind chill, we are at a smoking 33 below. Today's HIGH will be -2. NOTE: I speak in Fahrenheit.

About two or three hours north of me it is currently -30. The high there will rise to a balmy -9. The wind chill is -55.

So what does a discussion about the frosty land where I live have to do with technology? Lots. Think about it.

The technology that we live with on a daily basis is so pervasive that it is almost invisible until it stops working and therefore doing whatever it is that we wanted it for. But how happy are your electronic devices when they are in extreme weather?

Do you have a GPS device that is not built in to your vehicle? Do you leave it on the dash when you park your car? Do you live where there is extreme hot or extreme cold? Ever have your GPS go goofy on you after it has been subjected to extreme temperature? I have.

Since I live in extreme cold and used to live in extreme heat, I have had the opportunity to see what happens to a variety of electronic devices. Some manage the weather just fine while others suffer in silence. Silence that is the result of them powering off independently, refusing to turn on, or just plain breaking.

So what do you do when the weather is challenging? First, recognize that if you are miserable in the weather you're having, your electronics may be even less thrilled and completely unable to put on a coat or move into the air conditioning all by themselves. Give them a hand.

Because I live in a state that experiences life threatening cold, I keep a winter survival kit in the trunk of my car. This kit includes things like battery jumper cables, bottled water, protein or energy bars, a flashlight, extra batteries, emergency flares, de-icing fluid, gloves, emergency blanket, towel, and a small first aid kit. It also contains an insulated bag that can be sealed reasonably well.

As many of you know, I drive a very small, fuel efficient Saturn. No, my kit does NOT occupy the entire trunk. Yes, it can be accessed from the interior of the vehicle without venturing outside.

In the event of an emergency, I can get to things like first aid, warmth that is independent of the car, food, and water. I can also protect my electronics by putting them into that insulated bag and sealing it. That will at least prolong the time that my cell phone will continue to work until help arrives. Since my GPS prefers to be plugged in but will run on battery power, I turn it off until I need to pinpoint my location to assist anyone trying to find me. It will stay reasonably warm in that insulated bag along with my other devices.

Were I feeling so adventurous as to step outside on a day like today, I would be carrying any needed electronics in a lined leather handbag with the compartment they are in carried closest to my body. In a pinch, I would carry them in my pockets where the down jacket I live in over the winters would provide them with some degree of protection and warmth.

Having lived in both Phoenix, AZ and the Twin Cities, I have seen both sides of the extreme weather thing. I have literally watched an egg fry on the sidewalk and I have gotten frostbite. I have learned through experience that many electronic devices don't much care for extremes and that it is important to consider their health and well being when confronted by weather that even you don't much care for.

If you are in the Midwest, I wish you luck starting your car at the end of the day, a supply of lock de-icer, and the warm or warming beverage of your choice. On a day like today, you will need it!

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by jck

as long as the humidity stays down, put your computers outside...the cooling would let you overclock them and get you better performance. ;)

by tig2

Even with the furnace on overtime and double glazed windows, the temperature downstairs is around 50. Upstairs is a bit warmer but the fuzzy slippers and a hoodie have become part of my wardrobe.

Thank God I don't have to GO anywhere today. There is a decided advantage to having to do laundry!

by jck

I am glad I don't live there. I'd be dead. i'm not that tough :^0

p.s.- can you imagine air overclocking with -30F? HOLY SMOKES!!! TAKE THE CASE PANELS OFF THE SERVERS!!! :^0

by tonythetiger

they make a valve that goes in line with your dryer vent hose to redirect the heat inside (It also has a screen so heat and humidity is all you get). Ours blows right into the bathroom... where a little extra heat can be appreciated :)

by onbliss

...the blanket with "arms" that is advertised these days. It is like a hospital gown - one size fits all for kids and everyone. It is so funny that I want to buy few for the family; and it really would help us sit on the couch and watching movies.

by santeewelding

Had you visited you probably would have stayed. Was 85+ yesterday here. Will be again today.

You forgot to mention the Bulldog 44 in the kit.

by tig2

Other than one day- think it was Christmas day- the weather was California winter perfect while we were there. Of course, we left in a snowstorm and returned in a snowstorm. Other than seeing my kitties, I was not particularly happy to be home.

I have suggested to the SO that we give serious consideration to moving to someplace where getting the mail isn't a life threatening proposition. Amarillo would be perfect. Almost exactly between my family and his.

What is Bulldog 44? Unless it is what I think it is and then it would be illegal without the proper permits. And then it would be a S&W .357 with Glaser Safety Slugs!

by dr dij

Ok, not because of the climate. But somewhere with JOBS! And we did have a small quake the other day in San Bernandino. Actually felt it slightly here.

It was REALLY COLD a few weeks ago. Got down to 53oF in the day! And almost freezing at night! One of my rare bulbs outside downstairs FROZE! Poor thing. I actually had to wear real shoes for a few days!

I was temping as a UPS driver helper during the xmas holidays. Pouring rain! two undershirts, UPS shirt, jacket and hat to keep rain off my head. Worked out great tho. I didn't soak thru till the end of the day.

The cold is great! All our computers plus TV plus flourescent bulbs mean we never have to heat the house in winter, and can turn the Air Conditioner off for a few months.

Oh well, was back upto 80oF on Monday. (switch back to beach sandals) The HORROR!
I actually had to leave the house and go to our public library so I wouldn't have to run the air conditioner. (ok they were smelly tarring a roof nearby also, not a real incentive to stay)

Sorry about the freezies, guys -
Keep warm!

by oz_media

Itronix/General Dynamics (major defense contractor) makes rugged, heated devices, portable computers, printers, notbooks etc. for use in rugged envoironments and extreme temperatures.

I used to have a heated notebook and handheld when working as support for mobile devices on offshore rigs.

They have products designed for these temperatures, no need to work around it, just buy the right device for the application.

http://www.gd-itronix.com/

by tig2

Believe it or not, I live about 35 minutes away from them.

While I have recommended ruggedized equipment for emergency first responders, I don't know that I would do so for the casual end user, even living here. I think that the expense to value ratio would not hold up. Having said that, I do agree that ruggedized devices are the better way to go for some environments.

This was more of a reminder, especially to those who don't live in extreme weather but might be experiencing it this week that many consumer devices may become unhappy when left out in the cold.

by oz_media

For Handhelds, Symbol/Motorola MC50 SWEEET!!!!

For notebook the Itronix with heater, touch and GPS at $7K (I do still get wholesale though, only $4K :D ).

I remeber playing with rugged devices, Symbol vs Intermec, tossing them from the 4th floor roof, the Intermec literally exploded on impact (much to their reps dismay). The symbol bounced and booted up right away (Needless to say, I got the deal on that one).

by jdclyde

A closed up car just about anywhere in the US can break 140F easy on a sunny day.

As for cold, just be glad you aren't still listening to cassettes. It took only ruining ONE for me to learn that lesson. :(

I don't leave most devices in my car when it is cold, and if I do, they get to sit for a while in the warmth before I use them.

The horrors of what the cold to hot can do to a guitar..... :(

by notsochiguy

...I was working for a company that was getting a large order of CRTs (when they were first starting to offer flat CRTs) into the office one day in the middle of January.

The newbie on the team took one from pallet to production, and hit the power switch before any of us realized what was going on. (pitfall of having the new guy do the grunt work, I suppose)

Sounded like someone set off a Blackcat in the tech room.

by jdclyde

another common thing is when people give the grunts the job of making patch cables. The clueless out there might think that is a good job for them, but they are people that don't understand how critical a patch cable is.

by jamesrl

I had a 94 Toyota Tercel, first (and last) new car I ever had. The dash was all black vinyl and the window was pretty raked. The carpets, mats etc were all black too.

I actually had a cassette bake in the deck, and I had to have the dealer take it apart and retreive it.

James

by gsg

I used to live in Sandstone Minnesota, roughly halfway between Duluth and Minneapolis. It was great for a 13 year old. We sledded, ice skated, etc.. We just dressed in our down snowmobile suits and carried on.

I'm sure the parents weren't thrilled, but we loved it. The only drawback was that no matter how cold it was or how much snow we got, they never cancelled school. OK, the other drawback was that the nearest McDonalds was over an hour away.

We quickly learned to look out the window before opening the door after opening the backdoor to find a bear on our back porch. My toy poodle was almost an appetizer that day.

by tig2

Although originally from Southern California, I have made Minnesota my home for the past 12 years. You might ask yourself what in the world possessed me to do this. I would not be able to provide a coherent answer.

I've been through Sandstone. The SO hunts deer in Floodwood. We have looked at properties all over that area. We both love the small towns of northern MN.

Unfortunately, I find that the older I get, the less tolerant of the bone numbing cold I am. I don't know why age and temperature tolerance go together but they do.

I currently live in a small town north of the Cities. We have graduated to a second traffic light and now have three gas stations and a Subway in the town. Recently we got a grocery store and a Dunn Brothers coffee shop. It is not unusual to have deer grazing on the lawn... and I live in a town home complex!

by gsg

I used to live on the central coast in Lompoc, CA. I was attending college in Santa Maria and moved back to Missouri to finish my last 2 years. The winter I moved back is still listed as one of the coldest winters with the most snow.

I'd never before scraped ice or even frost off of my windows, I didn't own gloves, hat, or scarf, or even a winter coat. All I had were a couple of light jackets. I didn't even have a heater in my car.

I was able to get the clothing I needed, but the heater situation was not fixable. Let's just say that I ran my errands as quickly as possible. I did all my homework bundled in blankets, sweaters and sitting on a heating pad.

by jdclyde

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B-)

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by dadspad

I love my brass monkeys (if I knew what that meant) :D

The below was on that site from your post.

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by Member 25348569

It's the coldest it has been this Millennium with temperatures in London down as low as -4C. Stuff froze! We even had half an inch of snow!

That's 25F so I do not have to keep a survival kit in my car and, you know, I don't really feel that I'm missing anything.

I went for a hike on Saturday which was the last day of The Big Freeze and went up into the hills where it was so cold on the hilltop (-5C) that I walked straight back down again, had a curry lunch and went home.

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Seriously, Tigger, you have my sympathy. I do believe that there are temperature above which or below which it ain't a laughing matter. That rarely, perhaps never, happens here.

You keep safe, now!

Neil

by jdclyde

right now, 14F (-10c) with a wind chill of -4F (-20c).

Looking at a REAL low tonight of zero F (-17).

brrrrrr. Time to get my jacket out. B-)

by Member 25348569

According to our Meteorological Office, snow or sleet is observed to fall on twelve days per year on average in central London and snow covers the ground here on an average of three days per year.

They include sleet in their count of "snowy days" and an inch of lying snow is enough to screw up traffic!

Central London is in the valley of the Thames, just above sea level and bounded on the north and south by hills. The heat island effect of the big city raises the average temperature 2C above what it would be without the buildings. Hampstead, which is still well within the boundaries of London, has 13 days of lying snow on average and Leith Hill in Surrey, near where I live, has 25 days and is still inside the London Orbital Motorway.

Neil :)

by oz_media

Yes there are still remnants of our major snowfall in Vancouver. We had about a week where it snowed on and off (through Christmas/New Years) and now its just piles of crap that has been shoveled; looks like we have a problem with illegal Zamboni dumping.

It is cold, by Vancouver standards, a chilling 7 degrees celcius. Apparently it's drizzling lightly, yet I didn't see any drops today.

It was cold in northern BC on the wekend though, [b]-42C[/b] with the windchill, yeah gets pretty cold in the REAL great white north.

Brrr, the great white North strikes again! LOL.

by jdclyde

but you still get the lint past the screen. I couldn't handle that trade-off.

The heat was nice, but the whole how was damp and lint covered everything.

by tonythetiger

Before I got that, I used to just pull off the hose and put a stocking over it :)

My house is so big (5 bedroom, 2 bath) and drafty that you'd never notice the extra moisture... I could fill a mop bucket with water and leave it sit and it would evaporate in two days.

by onbliss

Few years ago, I had my car parked outside on the lot. I was a very cold cold night. You know how it is here :-))) I start the car, and wait for it to warm up. I turn on the radio - i.e attempted to turn it on. The radio or the electronic display in the car wouldn't work. Only after the car warmed up did the display and radio start working.

This has happened more than once to me.

by tig2

When I was still living in South Minneapolis I had two keys for my car. I would dash out to the parking area- blissfully close to by back door- and start the car and get the heater and defroster on high. Then I would dash back into my apartment to put makeup on and finish my coffee. By the time I actually got in the car it was nice and toasty warm!

by ontheropes

It's 14F/-10C here with the low forecast to be -1F. Yay. On the bright side? It's pretty cozy in the house and the furnace isn't running all of the time.

Fortunately, (knock on wood) my ride has started the first time everytime, even when it's been colder than this. Gotta love fuel injection.

Temps in the house still keep me in a hoodie practically all winter long. It's that or I wear a knit hat. All fashion bets are off when it comes to the cold. It was so cold here once this winter that I actually went to bed with a knit hat on. We purchased a larger, warmer comforter the next day. That was also before we had a heated mattress pad. Those things are great. If you don't have one go immediately to buy one. There's no comparison to climbing into a cold bed vs. a warm bed. It does make it harder to get up in the morning.

I'm thinking thoughts of Spring. It helps. It also helps knowing that we'll all be in the Bahamas for a week at the end of February. Not to rub it in or anything.

We watch "It's Tougher in Alaska". I'd say so. What's that verse from an old song? "When it's Springtime in Alaska it's 40 below." I could not live in Alaska. If it was all up to me we wouldn't be living in Michigan either. I'd much rather deal with 85F temps right about now than this crap we're getting. Move, if you've got the opportunity. Get out while you still can.

by tig2

But I am thinking I could make one that is warmer for less. I just have to work out the pattern.

Good to see you, Onbliss. I've missed you!

Stay as warm as you can this week. We don't get any relief until the weekend!

by onbliss

....that was in the Metro area; as I was dropping off my son at the school bus stop.

by .martin.

I have a predicted temperature today of 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit)

at 1am this morning it was already 30 degrees...

by the scummy one

you send your weather here, and I'll send min there :D
oh, who has rain for the next few days, I wanna trade with them too.

by nicknielsen

Morning low about 35-40, high for the day above 50 (all F). Threat of rain this morning, clearing this afternoon, lows tonight are forecast in the 20s.

Might have to wear pajamas tonight. :D

by shellbot

Its been cold here..dipped down to -6 C one night.. thats not normal here!! We usually get a few days of cold weather, but its been more prolonged this year.. I'm dreading getting the heating bill :(

Spoke to my mom in canada last night..thermometer said -37 C , the television said it was around -50 C with the wind chill... and that was late afternoon... hate to think what it went to over night..

by jdclyde

for lying to us about global warming... :D

Actually heard reports the other day that a mini ice age is on the way. :(

by shellbot

but the earth cycles through its periods of cool and warmth..we approaching a cooling period. I look at it like the earth rebooting..
It only takes a couple degrees to swing it one way or another..
I read a lot about it and contrary to people's common belief that global warming means its gonna get hot everywhere doesn't seem to be the case..its more a global change of temperature, shifting currents in the ocean and climate change on a larger scale that would naturally occur anyways..(we are are amplifying and hastening).

anyways..i wasn't susposed to be going it!

by dmambo

What the H-E-Double Hockey Sticks is it with kids? It's not Minnesota cold here, but it was 4F when we left the house. I drive my kids to school and I get to the car in the detached garage and notice my son is wearing a hoodie - no coat. I ask him where his coat is and he says it's in his backpack.

Funny thing is I'll pick him up this afternoon after his indoor track practice and he'll come out of school wearing gym shorts.

It will get to 15 below here tonight. Keeping the cars in the (unheated) garage makes a huge difference. Never have a hard time starting it. As for electronics, the only thing kept in the car is a radio, so no worries for me.

EDIT - One problem with the cold is the build-up of immense snow boogers in the car's wheel wells. They must be affecting my gas mileage and tire life.

by jdclyde

Mine will pull that if it is all the way up to the 30's. Under that, they know dad is going to sit there until they go back in and grab their coats, even if it means they will be late.

I have noticed the more I laugh at how stupid other kids are for shivering at a bus stop, the more the boys wear their coats. It just takes getting them over the idea that it isn't cool to be warm. B-)

by shellbot

I remember wearing silly little shoes in 3 feet of snow..no coat..no hat..gloves. Couldn't be seen to be a p*ssy.

My kid does it..i don't give her too much greif..she's gonna do it anyways..i just let her know that as a parent I have to try my best to make her understand !!

by ganyssa

one of these at my desk. I look like an idiot wearing it, but I'm warm, and people think I'm weird anyway.

by tig2

I used to keep a pair of bunny slippers under my desk. I could slip off my shoes and slip on the slippers and have warm feet. The only problem was that I would forget that I had them on and wear them to meetings. People got over it.

by gsg

I have a ratty fleece sweater that I wear, and since dress shoes are not exactly warm, I have a heating pad that I keep under my desk. There is little insulation in our building so when it's cold, I'll take my pillow, put the heating pad on it, and toast my toesies.

Yes, I keep a pillow at work. It's great on my footrest, and it's come in handy on one of those all-nighters waiting for a vendor to call and tell me that they've fixed my problem.

by jamesrl

I made some changes to my house, and moved my dryer downstairs. The handyman hasn't come to reroute the dryer exhaust so we are venting to the basement. You might think this is awful, except that in the winter the air gets really very dry here - chapped lips etc. We do run our dehumidifier in the basement if we get condensation, but it will do till the spring.

James

by shellbot

didn't i.. :)

I normally stay outa those discussions, because I'm the type of person who wants to borrow Mae's shovel and go after all the people I don't agree with :)

by rob mekel

For sure you don't borrow Mae's shovel ...
or if you do it's for shoveling the snow :D
def. not the people ...
btw Happy 11.5 mnth to go this year ... hope to be on time next year ;)

Rob

by jdclyde

I let them make their own mistakes, but when it is this @#$# cold, the "dad" foot goes down.

When it is just "kind of cold" I don't care, as they got being warm blooded from me, and rarely get cold. They learned early in life, if it is cold, snuggle with dad, not mom, because dad is always warm! :D

by rob mekel

but you're probably right ... as for sure you know best whom your kids have to snuggle with/too ;)

As long as they're happy ... ;)

by rob mekel

There is a good thing about that ...
The speeding laser-guns of the police ain't working (or at least badly) at -10C so ...
If you got a speedingticket in the NL last cold period ... fight it. They could be wrong :D ;)

by tink!

Missed this yesterday. LOL.

You are one VERY prepared lady! I've lived in the Midwest for the majority of my life (with a short stint on the East Coast) and have grown up with the cold.

But I am nowhere near as prepared as that! I do have a first aid kit, flashlight [i](I think...will have to double check)[/i], 2 blankets in a waterproof bag, a complete toolkit, jumper cables, bungee cords and of course - tire kit.

Used to carry lock de-icer in my purse or coat pocket (doesn't do you much good if it's in the car :D ) but haven't with the new car yet. Probably should...just in case the combo lock (electronic!) or remote decides to go "silent". I haven't used the actual manual lock for as long as we've owned the car!

by notsochiguy

...looked like a body shop last night; with all the hoods popped up and jumper cables getting used.

Should be an interesting sight to see tonight and tomorrow!!

by jdclyde

Blanket

road flares

orange flag (put on antenna if you break down)

Rain poncho. keep you dry in the rain, acts like a GREAT wind breaker in the cold and holds in a lot of your body heat. I like to carry several of the cheap ones from the dollar general stores (about $3 each).

Oh yeah, a lot of people forget to make sure their spare tire has air in it. After a few years, they can go flat.

by notsochiguy

...I was getting signs that someone was 'tracking me down'. So, I had to switch some of my IDs at places I post most often.

Just when you thought she'd fallen off the face of the planet....POOF.

ARGH!!!!

by dadspad

I have read that there are signs of an ice age coming. The last 2 winters seem to be more severe than usual. Which is way to small a sample.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0

Here is the most interesting article I read.

by jdclyde

and it still wouldn't change the current scam of global warming. There is just to much money to be made off of the manipulation of people, and to much power to be had.

Next they will tell us we came from monkeys.... ;\

by Member 25348569

I mean, you only have to look at us to know what a lie THAT is.

Global Warming is for the little control freaks and the War on Terror is for the BIG control freaks. Unless, of course, you live in the UK, the Land of the Control Freak Government, where the Nanny State is about to insist that restaurant menus carry nutritional information and that TV chefs tell us the nutritional information of their recipes. Oops! I feel a rant coming on. I'd better stop else Health and Safety will have me tied down and tranquillised...

by jdclyde

of course, I have my fleece on, have the door to my office almost all the way closed, and have a space heater under my desk. B-)

Not looking forward to the drive home though.

by tig2

When I got up this morning it was indeed -22. We managed to get up to a smoking -6 before it started cooling down. Tomorrow is supposed to get up to 0.

Believe me, this is NOT what I moved here for!

by boxfiddler

today I have discovered an advantage to 6 degrees F. It definitely knocks hot flashes in the @ss. :D I'm seriously considering hanging the hammock on the porch and sleeping there. Whew...

Fooking ack.

by ontheropes

NOAA said that our early morning temp was -17F/-27C. Cold enough. Our high today is forecast at 0F. Wunnerful Michigan weather.

Side-track warning: I went to start my truck with some trepidation that proved unnecessary as it fired right up first turn of the key. My blower motor was complaining/squealing just a little bit but that straightend out after it ran for a bit. I can live with it.

One thing happened yesterday that I was kind of looking for. I had a stone chip on my windhield that's been there for a couple of months. It was down out of my line of site so I thought I'd wait for warmer weather to have my windshield replaced. Yesterday, with the defroster running full bore, my windshield cracked from the stone chip but it cracked downwards so I'm still going to wait for warmer weather to get it replaced. I have glass coverage on my insurance so it'll cost me $100.00. Not too bad. Better than no insurance. I'm going to keep full coverage on that thing even though it's now 7 years old.

Exciting huh? At least the thing starts and runs well in these temps. It didn't even take very long for warmth to start coming thru the vents.

Remember the old Volkswagon Beetles and their air-cooled engines. Those were miserable in Michigan winters. Horrible. I'm thankful to have a truck that starts, runs well and heats up. I call it my GM approved smoking unit because when it's this cold I take my coffee out the, leave the door ajar and smoke a cigarette out of the weather. The tailpipe is on the opposites side of the truck so I'm not worried about carbon monoxide poisoning. (to alleviate and worries)

Can you tell that I'm bored this morning? I'm bored but I'm cozy and warm in the house. I like how well this place has stood up to these frigid temperatures. Not too bad.

by cmiller5400

You are inhaling it with the cigarette! :D

All kidding aside, it is a very cold 7?F outside right now in South Eastern Massachusetts. With wind chill, it is in the negative range.

by jdclyde

having a 97 Saturn with 200K+ miles, I was concerned about starting. Today was the closes, where it rolled a few minutes before firing.... But it fired and yea haaa, and away we go.

Oh, I always send the boys out in the morning to start the car, about 5 minutes before we leave. The last few days it has been 10 minutes, and the windows were STILL half frosted up. :0

by jdclyde

of course, my boys still have school...... ;\

Scared myself this morning. Forgot to get gas last night, and almost ran out this morning! [i]( I NEVER do that! )[/i]

If the idiot light [i](low gas)[/i] hadn't alerted the idiot driver [i]( me )[/i] I would have been walking in that this morning! :(

by cmiller5400

I watch the mileage more than anything, but lately with it being so cold, I try to keep the tank filled up in case I loose power at my house. That way I can run my inverter with my car to power my electric fan for my furnace so I can have heat. Get's cold in a drafty old cottage quickly.

by jdclyde

they don't cost THAT much! :p

I never have let the car get that low, but it was late and I just forgot. One tank gets me back and forth to work twice, and I get gas the second day as I get back into town. (yeah, three tanks a week, at least).

by ontheropes

He was sitting there with the door open, all covered up in a blanket, and by the time anyone found him it was too late.

by cmiller5400

Sorry to hear that. I purchased a remote start for my car about 7-8 years ago, I don't think I could give it up now. It is nice to get into a warm car in the winter or a cool car in the summer. B-)

Edit: i to I

by ontheropes

All of the water-pipes in the house are frozen. Usually we'd lose one or two when it gets really cold but now everything is frozen. I hope that our space heaters thaw them out, they usually do, and I hope nothing has burst. Way past time for some pipe insulation. I'd like to put a heat tape down there in the crawl space with a switch up here next to the breaker box but that'd be pretty difficult. Might do it anyway even if it's going to be a PITA.

by jdclyde

Need to get something like that down there ASAP! If not, check at the local rent-all shop and see about getting one. A lot cheaper than replacing pipes.

Yeah, heat tape and insulation is a must for most crawlspaces. ( I hate them! mostly because I don't fit in them well. )

Good luck with that.

by cmiller5400

Did you leave the water trickling? Just a small stream out of the faucet will do. I need to do that because I have a crawl space and it will freeze the pipes if it gets below 20. Running the water just a hair stops the formation of ice.

by ontheropes

You can believe that we'll do it after the pipes thaw. I also bought plenty of pipe insulation today for after things are working right again.

by nicknielsen

The forecast here is for single digit lows tonight.

To be honest, I'm not expecting a problem. The crawlspace has the same brick facing as the house, all vents are closed, and the ductwork for the heating system runs throughout, so it should stay warm enough under there.

But I'm still gonna worry about it.

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by jamesrl

When a pipe burst and flooded a power substation;

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/572079

It was thankfully warmer than previous nights but still pretty cold. Its an older area of the city, and many of the houses are very old and poorly insulated. The subway was shut down in the area.

James

by dr dij

Ok, that was evil :)

I actually wish it would cool off a bit.

Could people without power go to one of the underground malls or something? I hear there's alot of malls, and underground stuff so you don't need to go outside much in Ontario

by tig2

Maybe I will forget how cold I am!

This whole week has been inhuman sub zero temperatures. The only reason that this morning's traffic grid wasn't a sea of red as it has been all week is because most folks wised up and "worked from home".

I am drawn to the kitchen with an urge to make split pea soup. No handy chicken or turkey carcass so I can't make noodle soup. There's always the beans. Hmm. Bean and bacon soup... And croutons. I have it on good authority that there should be fresh croutons.

by ontheropes

We tried the salamander. We got the space under the kitchen sink up to about 80. We got the back bathroom, our main one, up to about 90; nothing seemed to work. It finally dawned on us (duh) that if all of the water was out after having done all of the above that it just might be where the mains from the well come into the house. We put our ceramic heater back there next to the pipes and it wasn't ten minutes and we got water again.

Since our forecast calls for -10F temps again tonight we're definitely running a trickle of water thru all of the faucets. We're not taking any chances again.

Have to ask though, haul a five gallon bucket from where? :^0 We just got back from Wallyworld after buying 12 gallons of drinking water. That's some expensive flushing if we had to continue doing that.

by Member 25348569

The secret of good croutons is to use stale bread so that they don't soak up too much oil. Easiest to do them in an oven, 400F should do for you (and it warms the kitchen up as well) by mixing together a few tablespoons of olive oil, a crushed garlic clove and salt. Add some Cayenne pepper for zip. Gently mix with the bread cubes and straight into the oven for 10 minutes.

Instead of the garlic add four tablespoons of grated Parmesan. Magic! A little bit of strong (English) mustard powder seems to enhance the cheese flavour.

Herb croutons are amazing in veggie soups (with or without garlic). Pur?e the herb with the oil and salt (and garlic if wanted) before making the croutons. Basil is wonderful in tomato soup, tarragon in chicken soup.

Neil :)

I think we need another recipe thread - winter warmers, maybe?

by boxfiddler

fill your bathtub tonight. Fill two if you have them. That way if your pipes freeze again you have a relatively significant quantity of water for flushing and washing dishes, etc...

:D

by Member 25348569

Whilst I don't want to linger too long on the specifics, five gallons is not NEAR enough for a really good Phal.

Not even close.