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I came into a job position where the domain is on a Class C internal network. The ip is 192.168.165.x. This limits the number of hosts that are allowed on the network line. I want to change the internal network to a Class A network, somewhere in the 10.x.x.x range.

What would be the right, and easiest way to make this conversion. Do I simply change the ip on the servers and dhcp? Or will this create network problems?

It is a Windows Server 2003 network. I also have some new servers which have just arrived. They are Windows Server 2008. Will that be a problem as well?

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by ---tk---

come up with your range and plan on paper, find out what each server you want to change the IP address to be. Run a complete back up of all the servers. And over the weekend when no one is there, implement the plan, and test it all. If its not working by Sunday I would start to restore from the backups.

by wancona

I was figuring that much. Is my process right of just changing the IP addresses on the servers?

by ---tk---

"What would be the right, and easiest way to make this conversion. Do I simply change the ip on the servers and dhcp? Or will this create network problems?"

You can change the IP's on the servers, But you will also need to configure DNS because if there are any CNAME, A records, ect (Very IMPORTANT)... you will need to edit those as well with the correct corresponding IP's... there should be a MS KB for this to give you a walk through... I will look for one...

by wancona

Needed another bump for the sub-question.

by ---tk---

what kind of services on the network do you have?? Would be a better question to ask... Do you have an exchange server, or DNS running, print server ect?

by wancona

I have one that is DNS, and File Server. Another which is a Lotus Notes Mail Server. Another is a Lotus Domino Server. Another is a virtual server, with Microsoft Virtual Server. Another is a Virtual Server with VirtualIron. The DHCP is being assigned through the router.

by churdoo

Edited: oops, it took me awhile to write this with phone interruptions, and the topic's already been covered.

So you're saying that you need more than 253 hosts in your network and need to change to a class A?

To re-IP a network is indeed a disruptive process so should be scheduled for off-hours. Obviously the number and type of equipment on your network will determine how long the process will take to settle out, and also how organized the network is to begin with, will affect the downtime.

In its simplest form, what you said is true, but I'll go into a little more detail.

Start with an inventory of all static equipment, i.e. routers and all managed switches, WAPs, servers, static printers, etc. Also look at your DHCP pool(s).

Next, plan the new network so you don't run into this again. Logically slice up the new network into several categories and map it out: routers / network equipment / static printers / servers / other static equipment / DHCP pools / "other" / etc.

Plan any routing changes

Now that you know where you're going, yes start with the servers and routers, particularly the DCs, DNS, and DHCP server(s), routers. The DHCP MMC doesn't handle DHCP server IP changes very well. Chances are you'll have to drop the DHCP server from any MMC you have it added to, re-add it, re-Authorize the DHCP server and de-activate the old scope. Make sure all of the servers are happy and are populating DNS with their new IP's -- though the servers don't tell you to, when I'm doing a re-IP, I like to reboot the servers and have them boot clean on the new IP. Inspect your AD DNS zone and remove any stale entries for the servers. Make sure all of the servers are happy and resolving each other.

Create the new DHCP scope and Re-create any reservations you have on the old scope with their new IP's but I wouldn't activate it yet.

Now that the core servers and routers are done and tested, make sure they can route to other networks and the internet, then work on other servers, Activate the new DHCP scope, and start working on managed switches, static printers, etc. and start testing workstations and user functionality.

by normh3

he realizes he really doesn't need any more than 253 hosts.

by wancona

As I was reading that, I was thinking, "What have I gotten myself into?" But the change has to be made.

by kenone

just go to 192.168.x.x? Would that be too easy?

by wancona

The beginning number is a Class C ip address. If I am correct, having a 192.168.x.x network would be forcing a Class B? The subnet mask would 255.255.0.0. Wouldn't this still take the same process as making it a different number altogether?

by wancona

Okay, that may work.
If I took it back one step and forced it as a Class B. I could divid it into 4 separate networks which would give me

(Network / Host Begin / Host End / Broadcast)

192.168.0.0 / 192.168.0.1 / 192.168.63.254 / 192.168.63.255

192.168.64.0 / 192.168.64.1 / 192.168.127.254 / 192.168.127.255

192.168.128.0 / 192.168.128.1 / 192.168.191.254 / 192.168.191.255

192.168.192.0 / 192.168.192.1 / 192.168.255.254 / 192.168.255.255

All these addresses would fall under a 255.255.192.0 subnet mask.

My current IP address, which is 192.168.165.x, would then fall into the range of the third network of 192.168.128.0.

My question: Would I be able to just change the subnet mask on all the computers, and everything should continue to run properly?

by john tharp

This may be a less disruptive option for you, but without knowing your network it's hard to say.

But if your switch/router can handle 802.1q tagging, you can run multiple networks (vlans) on your switch and create a "router on a stick" to handle the inter-vlan routing.

This way you could leave the existing network the way it is, create a new network on your router, then slowly migrate devices to the new vlan. This would involve creating a new DHCP scope, switch changes, and router changes....but the devices could be moved over at your leisure.

Just a thought.

by churdoo

If you did this, 90+ percent of your network would be lumped in the 192.168.165.x range of your expanded 18-bit network. Sure it would work fine, but your IT friends will make fun of you, whether they tell you or not. :-)

You will still have to touch every static device on your network to change the mask because as soon as you start creating devices outside of the 192.168.165.x range, something in the 165.x range with a lingering 24-bit mask will not be able to communicate with those new devices outside of the 165.x range.

However you do it, Class A, Class B, 18-bit CIDR, whatever ... organize it, plan it, and bite the bullet and spend the evening or the weekend and change it once.

Having said that, I do however agree that this is a good compromise. With the 192.168.128.0/18 network, you could leave all of your static IP printers and such in the 165.x range, move everything else out of that range accordingly per your new network structure, and then you only have to touch the statics to change the subnet mask (and probably a new router IP), but you wouldn't have to change the shared printer IP's on the servers for example.

by wancona

Everything one the network has a dynamic ip address, except for the servers and printers. Wouldn't DHCP change the subnet mask when they reloaded over the weekend?

Also, wouldn't new devices that are added be able to communicate with something with a network address of 192.16x.x.x because they are really still on the same network as long as they have a /18 subnet mask?

I just want to be sure? Don't mean to ask the same thing over.

by churdoo

The answer to your first question is Yes.

Your second question is a little ambiguous so I'll try to clarify. New devices would be able to communicate, as long as BOTH devices have the 18-bit mask. Meaning all static devices will have had to be touched to change their subnet mask.

If there is a static device in which the mask had not been updated and is still 24-bit, then although a new device IP traffic will reach the old device, response IP traffic from the old device with a 24-bit mask will go to the (default gateway) router instead of the new device. The router will not know what to do with this traffic and so it will not reach the new device.

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