Privacy

Happen in that case but I can't see how having a father in jail is good for the children. By the way he never left this country he was importing herion in a container from overseas and was the prime motivator in the action so while he overstayd his visa he never actually left the country {which is grounds for deportation as well.} But as the High Court has all it's rullings available to look at from the internet with only the names removed and replaced with initials it did make intersting reading and if it wasns't so serious it would have made an excelent TV show akthough no one would ever believe it.

This is a perfect case of where the truth is stranger than fiction. Currently our Federal Government is attempting to stack the High Court and recently thy had a Senator get up in the Cowards Castle and claim that one of the High Court Judges was using his Commonwealth provided car to pick up toy boys as the person in question is a self confessed homosexual and the Prime Minister had full knolledge of this action but unfortantly it all backfired on the Senator because the document that he claimed proved his assuresions was faked and it only took something like 3hours to prove the fact. The judge in question came out looking better than ther Elected Governent and the Senator in question was severly repermanded which he diserved as he made his claims under Parlemtry Privilage where no action could be taken against him. Nis only excuse was he hated child molestors and would continue to do everything in his power to out them {well I really don't have a problem with this as I persoanlly hate child molestors, but when you make up stories that is a little different}.

Happen in that case but I can't see how having a father in jail is good for the children. By the way he never left this country he was importing herion in a container from overseas and was the prime motivator in the action so while he overstayd his visa he never actually left the country {which is grounds for deportation as well.} But as the High Court has all it's rullings available to look at from the internet with only the names removed and replaced with initials it did make intersting reading and if it wasns't so serious it would have made an excelent TV show akthough no one would ever believe it.

This is a perfect case of where the truth is stranger than fiction. Currently our Federal Government is attempting to stack the High Court and recently thy had a Senator get up in the Cowards Castle and claim that one of the High Court Judges was using his Commonwealth provided car to pick up toy boys as the person in question is a self confessed homosexual and the Prime Minister had full knolledge of this action but unfortantly it all backfired on the Senator because the document that he claimed proved his assuresions was faked and it only took something like 3hours to prove the fact. The judge in question came out looking better than ther Elected Governent and the Senator in question was severly repermanded which he diserved as he made his claims under Parlemtry Privilage where no action could be taken against him. Nis only excuse was he hated child molestors and would continue to do everything in his power to out them {well I really don't have a problem with this as I persoanlly hate child molestors, but when you make up stories that is a little different}.

However it got even worse for ther good Senator when his own brother was charged and convicted with child molesting and the Senator in question not only didn't raise any objections to his brothers actions but actually put in a character reference tothe court. It looked a bit hyprocitial to me but then again I'm no one important.
I just hate double standards adn if it is wrong for someone to do something I can never see that it is alright for someone else to do the same thing just because they have a relationship with someone important.

Actually I don't know haw this happened but the first part of this posting has appeared twice.

With Airport Security. While I don't object to be screened when I attempt to board an aircraft I have no objection to having to empty all my pockets have any hand laugage x-rayed but it is getting a bit to much when I have to remove my belt buckle, watch jacket {because it has metal studs on it} but worst of all surender a tie pin which while could possibly be used as a weapon is one of the most unlikely things that would happen. The tie pin in question was provided by Intel at one of their regular Channel Partner Briefings and I thought nothing more about it after throwing it in my briefcase along with some other promotional stuff byt when I attempted to get into the secure area at the airport prior o boarding the aircraft this paricular item was confiscated and when I complained that this was nothing more than a stupid action as it posed no threat to anyone and pointed out tthat the tie pin I was wearing was no different to what had already been removed that tie pin was promptly confiscated as well {but I had alread passed through all the security measures by that time and this item had not been picked up.
But what is really stupid here is that I was carring needles any syringes for medical reasons and these where considered as safe while a tie pin that was all of about one quarter of an inch long was a prohibited weapon.
While I don't consider it any problems being screened at airports I am beginning to object to having to get half undressed just to pass through the metal detectors.
But what was worse after one recent flight when I had already arrived at my destination I had a tie oin confiscated as it was considered as a prohibited weapon for air travel now I maybe could understand this being removed before I goton the aircraft but being removed after I had got off was just a bit over the top as if I was intending to use it as a weapon surrely I would have already done so.

i'm so with you on that! i never really felt free enough to breathe anywhere. and the americans are breathing down people's neck all over the planet.

as for privacy, it's not that big of an issue for me. i just don't like cameras on celfones.

That happens everywhere - In Pittsburgh (with the H) PA - the citizens voted down a tax increase to pay for two new stadiums - the Politicans took it to a County wide vote - voted down 10 to 1 ... they then took it to a 10 county vote (all counties near Allegheny county which Pittsburgh is in) - Voted down 25 to 1 -

Guess what Pittsburgh got - two new stadiums at a tax payers cost of 250 million ... Oh and the ball clubs got to sell the naming rights of the stadiums and us that money to pay their part of the costs...

Interesting - For the People / By the People - is becoming For the Special Interest / By the Richest -

Getting close to that revolution time ..

What rest? How about if I critize the

1) Canada's Socialized Med system - Hey it works so well - thousand of Canadians flock to America to use our hospital system?

2) Canada's non-extrodite for death penility - Hey I say Canada Keepem, you want the muderers keep them - save USA money..

3) Canada common langauge - Is it French Ah - or English Ah..

Look - you country does it your way - we do it our way - I enjoy the freedoms I grew up with - you enjoy the freedoms you grew up with ... Your way isn't right or wrong - the same with mine -

So - don't critize unless you know what you are talking about ..

Enjoy - Ah

That's a good example of why the US doesn't make Internation law a law - We are who we are - because of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It may make the US seem like we are arogant to ignore international laws - but most of those goes against the Constitution or Bill of Rights ...

And Americans believe that those documents are better than anyother law in the world.

See the problems you can get by permitting internation laws to be supported by your government - thanks for the perfect example - of a catch-22 -

Yea - and it was good to see the courts did their job - along with the 12 good men and women of the jury ...

Invade my home - risk the'y life -

God Bless America and the Right to own a gun...

Look - Canada can do its little Socialist thing the USA will remain a Representative government (and no we are not a democracy) - it was set up somewhat like the old Roman empire... with Representatives to the government -

It used to be that the Senate was appointed by the state governer - to represent his state at the federal level ... the Congress was elected by the people - Each state had 2 seats appointed -

Yes we may have some problems - and yes Ahe - you can critize us all you want - But I will take America and its problems over Canada and it socialism - England or anyother country ... and I've been around a few.. Ahe -

I just wonder why immagration to the US is one of the highest in the world - Hum - yea there are problems - but dam must be doing more right than wrong - wouldn't you say - ahe ..

Oh - dam - that wasn't PC - now was it ..to bad.

An additional point here, is that credit card data is almost always electronically submitted to the credit card company. There is no way to use your card that cannot be tracked. If you don't want a record of where you spend money, and on what, don't use credit cards or checks. Accept only cash, and use only cash. You could also take it as far as some people I have known, and use only gold/silver.

If it's fraud you are worried about, the same rules apply. Check fraud does occur, and credit cards don't need to be used on the internet to be vulnerable. You might also want to consider identity theft.

If you don't want anyone to know where you are, try living in a cave somewhere and avoid all technology. You might not want to go anywhere either, because you never know when some satellite will take your picture...

My point is, no security measures are 100% effective. Recognize that fact, and find a balance between protecting yourself and living.

Road - You have the right to wear that T-Shirt to work - The Government can not stop you - the company can not sue you - in the same freedoms you also have a price to pay for your expression ... "Your Fired.." So if you hit the lottery or had another job to go to - that would be a fun way to depart...

Look at all the Whinning actors that spoke out against the Iraq war - and talk down on America - That the American public are no longer supporting - Like "Dixie Twits" I mean Chicks.

They weren't arrested or inprisioned - but they did pay a price for their comments - Individual freedom of choice - let them of tried that as a Iraq under Saddam - They would of been Dixie Pops..

I know what you mean - only not the wife - the girl friend - ouch - disagree and you pay a price each time .. but hell - its only for a few days..then she realizes I was right and making up is so much fun..

OH Canada - Oh shit wrong song ...

Sorry USA doesn't run under a socialist ruled government like Canada ... You entered my home - if I break you neck or shoot you 10 times - I am defending my home and my family ..

And if I live in Canada (which sorry would never) I would plan a gun in the dead guys hand ... hum there exessive force law...

Calling me out - come on down - Come visit

We said in the Nam - "You Talk The Talk - Can You Walk The Walk" - Come on down south and enjoy the weather .... Ahe..

S = special
F = Froce

I was US Navy - you figure it out ...

It is incredibly naive to think that you are "safe" because there are screening procedures in place. And to be deprived of liberty for a false sense of security isn't something I want.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

Now not slamming Ausie's - I love them, some of the most fun loving and friendly people around. They started as the rejects of Euro just like the USA...

But did you read - Col Luck about having International laws as part of the constitution? That is way the founding fathers of this nation made it difficult to alter it ... It can be done by holding a Consititutional Convention - then any change has to be accepted by 2/3 of the states, before being accepted as a change.

If you want to learn more - read the Federalist Papers - they have been translated into modern english from the thee old english. It explains why things were done the way they were ... very interesting reading - recommended for anyone..

"When thousands of feet above the ground in a pressurized tube, it's nice to know that all of the people onboard have been SCRUTINIZED and screened for safety and security MEASRES."
Nobody has said it is safe becuase of screening,just that it makes it a wee bit harder for someone to walk on board a plane with a grenade up their ass.

As for quoting ancient statements by Ben Frank, this is the year 2003, just like muders have become more violent since the 1800's so has terrorism. Ben Franklin didn't live in the modern world, maybe you don't either.

>French Candians shouldn't be confused with the French because they are NOT French, they speak an almost completely different language than the French, in fact the French don't like French Canadians.

I don't think the French like ANYTHING that they didn't do, or that's not "pure" French. The ironic thing, however, is that all of the "French" people around the world hold up their French heritage as a good thing. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

The Spanish (more precisely, the Latin Americans), on the other hand, are honored when anyone tries to speak Spanish, or in any way tries to befriend them. I guess we could say that they have a big heart rather than a high nose.

I don't have ANYTHING against the French, except their arrogant attitude. I certainly don't have anything against French heritage or French things. Although my heritage is Anglo, I grew up in New Orleans, where EVERYTHING French was a big deal.

The views of a foreigner? Most Americans trace their roots back to so called foreigners. My blood runs with a mix of English, German, Scot, Irish, and Dutch. Don?t think we ignore world opinion, just the opposite, sure some of us are like the Ostrich with its head in the sand, but not the majority. I hate seeing our young men and women dying in far off lands. For what? Freedom of others? Maybe, but it is more a belief that tyranny can be stopped if someone is willing to standup to it. I have stood in the line with them, 21 years of my life was spent protecting our way of life and yours. Remember the Cold War? Do you think the spread of Communism was done because they did not want a Communist World? And they would have done it by any means, read Mao.

The US constitution was made hard to change for a reason. If not then anyone who got in power could change it, modernize it if you will. But if you can change the concepts that establish your national character, then you no longer have that character, and are less then you were because of what is popular instead of what is right?

In answer to a politician not having to worry about getting in trouble for doing wrong if he can hide it before the next elections, ask Gov Gray Davis of California, it is called a recall vote. The US Prez can be impeached, rare but it can happen. I would not be surprised if that squirrel in the White House now is for lying about WMD. Expect a change in 2004, unfortunately no one in the opposition stands out as a good choice, but there is still time.

On compulsory voting, forcing someone to vote does not make them a better voter, freedom of choice only works if you can chose not to chose.

Sorry for the disjointed rant, I had not seen this thread before and a lot of entries caught my eye.

[As for there being more terrorism, you're completely right. This is not due to a lack of security but security MUST be more stringent in order to reduce the ability for terrorism.]

If someone is determined to commit terrorist acts, THEY WILL FIND A WAY. Their ability has not been reduced in any way. If it had, then there would be less terrorism. You admitted that there is more terrorism. So please enlighten me as to how this indicates that there has been any reduction in ability for terrorists.

[what rights are you giving up when you are travelling on an airline owned by a corporation? The government states they will not infringe on your rights, this isn't so when you aer travelling on a private airline. if the airline wanted to strip search every person travelling on their planes, it is their right to do so, you don't HAVE to travel on their planes, your rights are given up by choice not mandate.]

This is a nice theory. But who is dictating the security measures for those airlines? The government. Gee that doesn't sound like the airlines have the right to decide anything there. And you are right. I don't have to fly. I actually dont, because I won't subject myself to that kind of treatment.

What's next now? Are employers going to have to strip-search employees every morning? After all, people do bring weapons into offices on occasion. Are schools going to have to strip-search students every morning? It seems I have heard of students bringing weapons to school with them. Are people not going to be allowed to have any weapons in their homes? After all, people do get shot in private residences too.

Where does this stop? Or does it?

[Privacy Shmivacy, catch the bad guys I don't care what it takes.]

They aren't catching the bad guys, so now what?

You do have some good points that I happen to agree with (as you see I am an American). I agree with your underlying idea of the entire populace of the country from 18 on up be responsible for electing our officials on all levels of government - a true democracy (right now its really the electoral college that counts on if someone is elected or not, the popular vote is merely just a pulse of the nations feelings/convictions for one candidate to another). Yes indeed its a nice fairy tale to believe in that level of unrestricted democracy in a nations governmental infrastructure.

But then that's pretty much all I agree with. The constitution, is not a perfect document. Nor will I ever suggest or imply that it is. However it is a very good document if you hold it up to the light of many other governments around the world.

The 2nd amendment, I never had a problem figuring that one out - yet you are right. I suppose some people are stumped.

That all said lets go back to the original point of "true democracy" -- thank GOD that is NOT the case! I don't want anyone 18 or older having the power to influence such monumentally important decisions as amendments as you suggested, let alone vote officials into office. You know how many people just vote and have no clue about anything -- yeah I like the idea of spending my time to research the candidates, read about their platform, their past history -- really think things through for my vote. Then some punk rocked or stoned high school senior with bong resin stains on his face just stumbles into an election booth and votes away. Yeah, brilliant system. We the people...hoorah!

There should be qualifiers for people beyond just being 18 to be eligible to vote and it should someone be a test of your IQ on issues facing the nation and information about the current officials running for office.

Finally, I'll give you kudos on something else -- yes there are vast amounts of the constitution that should be reviewed for modernizing, but even then I don't think a constitution should be too often or too easily modified. What's the point?

I have no problems with any restrictions on privileged activities.

Except for the flight crew, no one HAS to fly.

If the security measures for flying bother you, do not fly.

What bothers me is the monitoring and data collection that involves 'normal' day to day activities.
It is getting so that you cannot avoid providing data when you use cash.

With the use of debit cards, credit cards, and on-line financial services, we have already given up most of our right to privacy.

Chas

Hey, could you please give me the IP of your webcam?

Thanks in Advance! :>

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There are two types of law, Legislative and Precedence. If a court has to make a decision where there is not written law its decision sets precedence that can be cited in an equal or lesser court. If a higher court overturns or upholds that decision it sets the precedence. If the Legislative body writes a law, which is signed by the Prez, that overturns or upholds that precedence than that is the law, unless it is overturned by the Supreme Court on grounds of Unconstitutionality

So in short you are saying Canada is a disjoined country - one part doesn't talk to the other part. I guess in a few years - Quebic will file to separate and become it's own country - French Quebic? Should be interesting -

If the socialist healthcare system is so great - why are there so many Canadains that come to American hospitals for operations? Like By-pass's - (I work in healthcare) - I don't have our numbers of Canadain by-pass's..

Interesting - but at least when we bill the Canadain government - they pay. How does that work you say? These folks travel to America for say a weekend, when here claim to have chest pain, go to a top Cardio hospital, the hospital finds blockages after an emergency cath - and do emergency By-Pass or Angoplasty ..

Here's an opposite for you - A family friend while in Toronto had an MI (Heart attack)- she needed by-pass surgery, they wouldn't accept her medical insurance and wanted $25,000 in cash up front (no Checks - no credit cards). We had to arrange an emergency flight back to the USA an American hospital, and she couldn't leave until she paid the $3,600 bill - In cash (no checks or credit cards) ...

Oh yea - your system works great .. Me thinks its broken like ours...

It?s actually 270 of the 538 (as of 2000) Bush got 271. A couple states (Maine and Nebraska I think) can do a split vote, but most will not as in the last election, but in most states it is a winner take all (a simple majority winner).

All I can say is thank you as I wipe the tear from my eye.

Who cares, what's your point? I don't remember Canada being on the top of any terrorist threat lists, save yourselves.

I'm too busy making hats to fit your points

As usual the answer to American fears is to arm someone. Then the pilots could be held responsible for your lives instead of yourselves?

I understand that the existing measures may not be adequate, my point was simply that it is at least an attempt to aknlowledge the issue. Too many times, issues are ignored and never resolved, even though this is a little late, it's at least an effort. Does that qualify as a point or at least an explanation of how I see things?

I really hope you accept me.

"That will be in three weeks, so please don?t die in the meantime" WOW only three weeks, that's a record. You're right, it takes forever to get SOME illnesses and life threatening diseases treated here. As you said, we can just go to the US and our Medical Covers it.

If I was in America 14 years ago, I'd be dead now.
(c'mon guys, yaaaaaaaay !)

The benefit is, if I break an arm or fall off a ladder, the government takes care of it. Of course this is from taxpayers money, but at least it's not spent on defending our country with missiles that are extremely efective for certain attacks but are falsely said to be tested and effective against M-M attacks, while we watch our sitizens die.

It's not how the government pays for it but what they are spending the money on that concerns me.
If the Canadian government makes it safer for my son to play football, baseball and go camping, that's enough for me to justify paying MY taxes.

If they were defending Canada against an assumed enemy that MAY possibly have the ability to attack Canada I may question their motives a little closer. Canada has never antagonized or threatened another country in recent years and therefore had not aquired any enemies, other than those who feel we are closely connected with the USA, (recent BC Ferry threats) but even they don't buy it.

Canada is NOT better than the US nor is it worse. The government is constantly scrutinized here by citizens of Canada. What I don't undestand is why the majority of Americans are so flooded with patriotism that they will defend their country's mistakes and miscalculations with their lives, without question.
Then again, maybe it could all be resolved if you just shot a few more people, stomped your feet and screamed a little louder. I don't think you have made a strong enough impression on the rest of the world yet, that you'll die for whatever your country chooses you to die for unconditionally.

If we gave every passenger boarding the aircraft a 44 magnum then no one would think about doing anything, I would not even move. Imagine though one idiot jumping up to grab a stew and everyone else pulling the weapons and firing, there goes half the aircraft. I will not even talk about the quality and safety differences between US commercial A/C and the other world-leading producer. Anitolov (SP?).

The problem is that the government doesn't listen. They choose a way to address a problem, and don't change it when it doesn't work. If we don't speak up about personal rights violations, then we have no right to complain about the way things are done. If the government is going to listen, and they should, there needs to be something to listen to. I may not be right, but at least I need to bring my ideas to the attention of my representatives in government. Everyone should do that, then we can actually have a government where the people have a voice.

I am not one to passively whine about anything. I will go out and do something about what I believe to be right.

Now Now - Ozzie - what kind of language is that - what would Harrett think of your use of the four letter word.... Plus - Techrepublic has rules against cuss word and the such - use of those four letter works..

I guess I hit a sore point with the good little socialist - that rings true...

But, Canada's Healthcare system was built and modeled on the British system of universal healthcare - correct... It works the same as that British model - correct. So of course there should be a corralation drawn between the two.

It appears that when - someone brings up points that disproves your beliefs you get overly defensive and use offence language ... tisk tisk -

Most of the electronically devices are running with radio waves; cell phones, GPRS, internet connections via Satellite.....But the worst is that almost all programs are made every day, has inside somehow some detectors to track any kind of connections we may have!