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This is just an input question, as I don't have any real problems. I only wish to get some feedback so I can make a wise choice.

First off, I have an old computer with a celeron(R) 2.4 processor, a GB of ram, and a GeForce FX 5200 video card.

Now I have some money and wish to buy a new computer. I am currently thinking of buying an alienware area51 but cant decide if I should customize with 4GB DDR3 RAM (2 preinstalled), or go for a Dual GeForce 9600GT setup (1 preinstalled). Both options cost an extra $200.

Which setup would be better for gaming? Do you think the one GT will make due for now and not go for the extra RAM, or the opposite.

Oh, and the whole Area51 will cost about $1700 after I make my choice.

Alternatively, If you know of any great deals on gaming computers (better or equal to the Area51 for cheaper) please do tell.

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by Former member

If you build the computer yourself you would be able to choose what ever you want. Plus it would most probably be cheaper. But that would be your choice. If you still want to purchase form this company then i would go for the graphic card. Memory you will be able to get cheaper somewhere else.

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by ---tk---

Building your own rig will be cheaper now, and when you decide to upgrade different parts of the PC.

by jamesrl

The greatest impact on most gaming computers is GPU, then RAM and CPU. I assume you are running a 32 Bit OS, if so, you will likely only get 3 - 3.5 GB of RAM effectively, depending on your MB chipset.

$1700 seems an awful lot of money. I would seriously shop around some smaller shops who can custom make a similar spec machine for a lot less. If you are handy at all you can do it yourself.

Or check out something like this:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3867896&CatId=2630

or this:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4011760&CatId=2630

And add a video card for $134.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4035113&Sku=E145-9826

which is a 9800 GT, better than a 9600.

James

by jdclyde

As long as you have a decent processor and amount of RAM, games today are more graphic intensive than anything.

Games about 4/5 years ago, I would have said RAM.

by kal_lmn

Sounds good to build one myself, and I am familiar with computers enough to build one, its just that I am mostly familiar with main components, and not the smaller details. For example...

I am currently taking a programming class, and the teacher was talking about cpus and motherboards, which then lead to FSB, which I knew nothing about. And it turns out that is the cpu has a higher frequency than the motherboard's FSB, its a waste... meaning buying an expensive cpu with a slightly less than adequate motherboard will be a waste of money...

So if such an important detail I knew nothing about, I am kind of scared of building my own. I only know the components I need and how to put them together, not the specifice of how they depend upon eachother.

by oh smeg

Then compatibility isn't an issue. It's also not possible to fit a CPU with a faster FSB to a M'Board that what the M'Board can support so you can not fit a !K + FSB CPU to a 800 MHZ FSB M'Board.

You need to look at the makers of the Chip Sets on the M'Board though to get the best performance and here the AMD Chip Sets currently are not up to scratch no matter what anyone says. Intel has it all over AMD here for the very reason that they make the M'Board Chip Sets and CPU's so they can tailor things together that work better. AMD while owning ATI who are making Chip Sets for M'Boards still are not up to speed right now. In a year or so Economic Conditions depending they may be but as yet they are still unable to match Intel for a Integrated Design Platform. And NVidia has Issues with their Chip Sets Design and while they are reported to have set aside 20 Million $ every commentator seems to agree that this will not be enough to repair the mess that they have made, so for the moment at least you need to avoid NVidia Chip Sets.

If you look at Brand Name M'Board like Gigabyte and your chosen CPU type it's very hard to go wrong. About the only place it is possible to go wrong is with Video Cards particularly for Gamers with SLI, Crossfire and so on being used it is very easy to make mistakes with suitable Video Cards for a M'Board. Again here all the Chip Set makers build for Intel Chip Set M'Boards and sometimes the Non Intel Chip Set M'Boards do not work with these Video Cards.

Col

by jamesrl

Barebones kits are designed for people just getting into building themselves. They vary in whats included, but most include a motherboard, CPU, RAM and a Case. You can then pick your own OS, HD and video card.

James

by jdclyde

MANY do not have a slot for a video card, as they are AFFORDABLE mother boards, not high end.

by jamesrl

I have dual xeons in my computer, I bought a refurbished Dell Precision workstation instead of building my own - it was just so much cheaper than buying my own. And I paid less than that for the whole computer - MB, case, HD, OS RAM etc.

James

by Former member

Everything else fits around this.
Do not go over the top with the motherboard (money wise), motherboards get cheaper and cheaper. The one i would go for would have to have at least 8 or ten SATA ports on the board and at least 8 or ten USB ports on the rear end. There are only two motherboards that have these and they are ASUS:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?ISList=13-131-326-S01%2c13-131-326-S02%2c13-131-326-S03%2c13-131-326-S04%2c13-131-326-S05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16813131326&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=ASUS%20P5Q%20Premium%20ATX%20Intel%20Motherboard%20-%20Retail
and gigabyte:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?ISList=13-128-343-S01%2c13-128-343-S02%2c13-128-343-S03%2c13-128-343-S04%2c13-128-343-S05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16813128343&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=GIGABYTE%20GA-EP45-DQ6%20ATX%20Intel%20Motherboard%20-%20Retail

I would go for the GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DQ6 ATX Intel motherboard because it has more functions. Start with the motherboard, read up what it can take, I:E, processor, ram, etc. And go from there. the best thing about building it yourself is that you get to know the in's and out's of your computer so if anything goes wrong you will get to know what is causing the problem.And you can boast about the build. At the moment i have (all self builds, except one laptop.) six computers, mainly Asus boards. 3 Asus, i gigabyte, 1 DFI lanparty and one Acer Ferrari laptop. :) All working. So i would give the build a go. If you are in trouble we are here for your questions. :)
Happy computing. :)

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by oh smeg

Firstly I would build it myself as you get better parts for less money and a better computer when it's finished.

The Exception here is I wouldn't be considering any NVidia Chip Set Video Card at the moment as they have issues with a possible Design Problem by Nvidia. If this is proved it will render every NVidia Chip Set unusable in a very shot period of time and as you want this for gaming it's far more likely to be pushed hard and overheat the Video Chip Set Chips. As I don't know this Model of system I would want to know who makes the M'Board Chip Set and which one it is. Again if it's a NVidia Chip Set avoid it like the plague as there will be problems which the system maker [b]Can Not[/b] fix. This will render the system useless in very short order and you'll be out of pocket for this unit.

There should be some Custom Builders in your region if you are uncomfortable with building it yourself and they can build it for you and at the same time recommend the best parts to use. Many Times First Time Builders look at the parts which they consider best for them and buy accordingly but the individual parts are incompatible with each other or just the wrong technologies to be used together so a Custom Builder who specializes in this type of system will be able you guide you as to what works best together. And don't forget the Power Supply this is overlooked as Unimportant and provided it's over 450 W it's good enough. This is wrong and there are two types of PS's those that are rated to a Continuous Power Output and those rated to a Peek Value. You want a PS that is rated for Continuous Power Output as these are far Superior and work better protecting the internals of the case from the mains supply.

And $200 for a Video card is very expensive unless it has a very fast GPU and at least .5 GIG of RAM. This Video Card [i]Inno3D GF 9600GT PCI-E 2.0 512MB DDR3 256-bit, Core clock: 650MHz, Memory clock: 1800MHz, Dual Dual-Link DVI, HDTV, Fan, HDCP, 64 Stream Processors, nVidia SLI Technology, 128-bit Floating Point High Dynamic-Range.[/i] has a RRP of $169.00 AU Dollars which should be less in US$ so I would want to make very sure that they are at the very least offering the 512 MEG Video Card and not the 256 MEG Video Card which has the same specs with less RAM and is cheaper Card. You need to remember here to subtract the cost of the Standard Video Card as the Builder doesn't supply 2 Video Cards when you upgrade the Video Card. Of course if the standard Video Card is On Board the system is not a Gamers System never was and never will be so forget it all together.

Similarly if you look at the price of Corsair RAM 2 GIG costs you $379.00 AU but if you look at 4 GIG of the same RAM it costs the grand total of $429.00 AU so for the extra 2 GIG of DDR3 RAM it costs you another $40.00 AU. That is hardly anything like $200.00 US and I can guarantee that you would be getting much cheaper RAM than Corsair in any pre built system.

Col

by jamesrl

I've used both nVidia and ATI cards for some time, and I only recently replaced a current nVidia 8800GT, which was working fine, I just wanted more speed. I've overclocked it by a modest 20% and had no overheating problems at all.

James

by oh smeg

We have Old Mycroft who is constantly needing to replace M'Boards on his NVidia system because it's unstable. OM was down last week because he couldn't keep his system running for longer than 12 minutes at a time without a BSOD.

Anyway places like HP, Dell and so on are supplying new drivers for all of their current generation NVidia boards and the main aim is to keep them cool so they are being underutilized to keep them running.

You may have jut been one of the lucky ones James but I've seen a lot of reports in the Media about problems with NVidia Chip Sets.

Col

by 1bn0

And probaly cheaper by then, too.

by jdclyde

is how many slots are available.

If you will have to remove memory to add memory, that is a big disadvantage, and would pay to get the RAM now.

Especially with dual channel where it has to be added in pairs.

by 1bn0

However you don't need to uninstall the old RAM drivers and install new ones to get the RAM working correctly.

by jamesrl

You can get barebones kits for everything from a no slot MB to a MB that will take three video cards (yes three not two).

You definately want a MB that will do PCI Express 2.0 which is theoretically twice as fast. Your new 2.0 compliant video card might not be any faster, but your next upgrade might.

You also want to think in advance if you ever want to run multiple video cards in your computer. The MB will be either compatible with nVidia's SLI or ATI's crossfire. If you go that route, even if you only want to run one card for now, invest in a good powersupply that will handle the two cards should you add one later.

James

by jdclyde

if you add in the price of the OS, you are now not saving much, if anything, if you are not careful.

I have seen a wide range of barebones systems, but never one that handled dual/tri cards, but then again, I wasn't looking for that either. It is rare to have a real need for multiple video.

by jamesrl

In the gaming world, you often run one monitor, but multiple cards to get the fastest possible system.

Among gamers it isn't that rare.

James

by ---tk---

Thats another way to go about it... Basically I threw that out there cause that board seemed to be very versatile..... The board will run with one CPU, and you don't have to max out the RAM... also he can choose between ATI's crossfire and NVIDA's SLI. Plus he has room to grow. I like alot of options, I like to have the ability to upgrade little by little or make huge jumps... From what I can see this board (expensive no doubt) but a very nice piece of hardware, can do that...

by thechas

The key to your question of video card versus RAM is what version of Windows do you plan to run?

If you will be running the 32 bit version of XP or Vista, there is not a lot of reason to have more than 2GB of RAM. The reason is that the top 1 - 1.5 GB of the 4GB addressable RAM is going to be used for system housekeeping and hardware functions. You might only ever see 2.5 GB of your RAM actually being used.

If you are going to install a 64 Bit version of Windows, then I would install as much RAM as you can afford.

I also have to agree with the advice that you may be paying too much for the video card. It should not take more than a few months for you to be able to purchase a more powerful card for less money.

Take a look at sites like NewEgg and see what video cards are selling for. Even with 1GB of onboard RAM, it looks like the card is selling for around $160 (US).

I guess that I would skip both for now, and upgrade the card in a few weeks / months.

Chas

by kal_lmn

by oh smeg

The HDD to one of the 16 MEG Cache types. A 500 GIG HDD is not very much more expensive than the 250 GIG units and as it has 16 MEG of Cache it will appear to be considerably faster.

I really would do some research into the NVidia Chips though to see if anyone is experiencing problems. After all if there is a issue it's very hard to repair after the event. You can replace a M'Board and Video Card but you'll only get em replaced with the same thing which will be no better if there is a problem.
I also would suggest something like Gigabyte M'Boards as they come with a 3 year warranty you may need this latter on.

Col

by jamesrl

Tigerdirect has lots of barebones - lets see what we can find.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3408719&CatId=2405

For 939.00

Add your monitor 179
Video card
DVD/CD 24
Hard Drive 49
Video card 114

Now, some of the specs you had were good.

But for gaming, dump the card you spec'd and get something like this"
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3797705&CatId=3585

and I think I can guarentee a better 3D mark benchmark score and faster games.

Total cost?
About $1300.

Or substitute this and save another $300

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3032655&CatId=2405

Food for thought. Remember the video card is the most important thing in a gaming computer.

James

by kal_lmn

I do like the idea of a barebones kit, but if you add up what I had, for $200 more than the barebones kit, I'll get an E8600 core2 (E8400 kit), as well as a 750 watt power supply (650 kit), 4GB ddr3 RAM (4GB ddr2 kit), and a 790i motherboard (780i kit).

So is all of those upgrades not worth the $200 more that I will pay?

Oh, and just a question. When you suggested the 9800GTX Black version, is that better than the SLI 9800GT? I just want to know the best performance I can get with my money with room for improvements.

P.S. THANK YOU all VERY much for all of the iinput I am recieving. You can't imagine all of the help this is giving me.

by jamesrl

Whereas mine was about 1300 or 3/4 the cost.

As for video cards, what I do when I'm shopping, and I upgrade about once a year, is google the reviews of the newer card, and you can usually find benchmarks of its performance in modern games against other cards. I usually check Tomshardware, they constantly review new cards.

James

by jamesrl

..less processor and get more video card.

An ATI 4870 or nVidia GX260 will be a big improvement over a 9600 GT and will be under $300.

Again, take a look at Toms, they have benchmarks.

James

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