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Balls! The bane of my life! I'm talking about balls of the rodent variety and mice generally. I get more calls for help with sticky or unresponsive rats than any other piece of hardware. I often have to replace worn out microswitches and strained cables, but cleaning detritus and fluff from mouse rollers is an everyday occurence and to be honest, a pain in the rump. Optical mice offer a limited solution, in that they have no balls to pick up dust, sandwich crumbs and cigarette ash, but they have problems in certain lighting conditions and you still end up with wrist ache when using them for precision work.

I acquired a Chic Trackball a few weeks back and it has changed my life. No more wrist strain, four buttons AND a scroll wheel and the most accurate and precise control of the pointer I have ever encountered. I work in graphics resolutions of upto 4096x3072 on 72 inch display systems (doesn't everyone?!!) and no mouse comes even close to a trackball for speed and precision at those sort of resolutions. Not only that, but it is so much easier to keep clean and takes up very little desk space.

Input devices are largely a matter of personal preference, but has anyone else found that after using a trackball, using a mouse is like going back to using a 9600bps modem after having broadband? Or have you tried a trackball and just couldn't get to grips (pardon the pun)with it?

As an experiment, I gave all the troops at work a 'go' on my R&D machine to see if they liked the trackball, and only 1 guy out of 19 didn't put in a request for one!

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by thechas

Hi Guru,

I have trackballs on all of our home PCs.

I used to have one at work too.
It was great, no-one wanted to use my PC at ALL.

I started out with a couple of no-name units.

I really like my Logitech Trackman Vista.
However, unlessyou wash your hands to obsession, the rollers that the ball sits on have the same problem as the mice rollers.

We recently installed a Microsoft Optical.
While it does not suffer from the roller problem, and has a wheel, it is nowhere near as precise as my old Trackman.

Logitech has a new wireless trackball that looks like it may be ideal (if they made a wired version) for me.

I believe that LabTech used to have a very involved track ball style pointing device specifically designed for CADD work.

I had a file about it, but can't find it just this moment.

Chas

by vegatecgroup

I just bought a new HP workstation for my business use. The two Spaceball units Logitech is marketing are nearly 1/4 the cost of my new workstation! A $499 mouse, no matter how you slice it and dice it is still just a mouse! Thirty years ago when 640KB of memory cost $10K, a mouse unit this expensive may have actually sold, but not in todays commodity computer era. Dell computer and Gateway have seen to that.

by guruofdos

The Chic one was only ?24.99, or around US$38!!

The cleaning issue is still there, but the 'ball hole' is bigger and hence it is much easier to clean the rollers.

I believe Logitech made one called the Trackman Marble, with a huge ball that just sits on the base. It's optical and so cleaning just means a wipe over every now and then with a clean tissue!

Chas, as always...informed input!

by zlitocook

Teaching a group of nurses who just got mouse clicking down! I love the track ball but if the people who use it have protective gloves or OR ware on it is not easy to use. And when they are off duty they have food in their hands, which gets into thetrack ball. I need a point and click or a self cleaning touch screen computer:)

by road-dog

When I take the laptop to a customer site, I feel like my arm has been posessed by the demons of uncoordination.

As far as cleaning, the trackball is a snap after cleaning the belly button lint out of mousewheels all this time.

If you have more than one PC on the desktop, the trackball is indespensible for space management as well.

by jardinier

that you were going to question my testosterone levels.
But now that I've got your attention (by the balls) there's a little something that I would like to discuss with you. In the biography section of your Peer Profile, you mention that you are getting 486s to perform like Pentium IVs.
Well I have this little quirk that, while I own newer and much faster computers, my preferred workhorse is a 486 DX 100 with 48 MB RAM. And why? Well the box cost me $AU 20; I picked up a brand new Dynalink 33.6 Kbps external modem for $2, etc etc. And the thing does the job. I run my websites from it and all.

But I have really got AOL pissed off, because I reverted to version 4 because version 5 would no longer run because they had downloaded so many updates. They no longer provide tech support for version 4 in Australia, and the usual answer to any enquiy is: "Upgrade to version 7 and all your problems will disappear."

After explaining that I have two perfectly good Pentium 100 notebooks etc.etc. they finally informed me that version 5 and 6 were also on the version 7 disc, and they did actually realize that some customers didn't have the hardware to run version 7.

Actually I never need tech support for version 4 because nothing evergoes wrong.

So how do you get 486s to perform like P IVs?

by guruofdos

By running the right software! A 486DX4-100 running WFWG3.11 and Word1.1 and Excel3.0 can boot, open a document, print and shut down faster than ANY P4 I have ever seen!

Dos6.22 and WFWG3.11 take up a total of 11Mb on the hard disk and Word1.1 comes on three floppys!

Most Word users only use something like 5% of the available features available in later versions, and 1.1 can do most things, including embedding images in documents. Funnily enough, a file created in Word1.1 and saved to disk takes up half the space of an identical document created in (say) Word97. Most people type up a single page memo or letter in Word, and I'm half way down the page on the 486 before the P4 has finished loading Windows98!

by admin

but how do you get past the problem of users having to share files with the outside world? We constantly have people both in house and outside associates (we swap a LOT of information in the social work field) who can't even figure out how to open aword 6.0 file and then save it back into 6.0 so the person who sent it can open it on their old machine?

Personally, I wish that MS would make .rtf the default for everything! hahahaha no more embedded pictures, web content and other useless ridiculous nonsense that my users seem to love!

but, in reality, that's why I get paid the bucks, so I guess instead I'll just continue to try and keep my users current with 99% of the people we interface with and let the people with word 5.0 continue to call up and ask my support specialist: "Why did your office ruin my formatting when they sent back the file on floppy disk?" "I didn't have another one and I don't know how to make one from scratch because my sister did it for me and I want youto develop a new word 5.0 form for me!" AAAArrggh!

Oh how I long for more associates that learned to use an XT and the early WordPerfect but then kept up through every release since then. Those people can actually truly run anything. People now are completely stumped by a function key or a differing format and some of them actually got paid to go to training. Unfortunatly they now only know how to use the latest software, and nothing about backward compatability. sheesh.

Apparantly "making it easier to use" is a secret codeword for "let's lower the industry to the least common denominator".

~Sorry For The Rant!~ :>

by jardinier

Configuration and hardware compatibility (BUS speeds etc) are also a major factor in overall speed. I once had a 486 DX 66 with 8 MB RAM that ran Win 95 like a bat out of hell.

On another occasion I partitioned a drive, with the intention of having MS-DOS programs on one partition, and Windows programs on the other.

Well I have a vast collection of software from all eras. Try as I did, I could barely make a dent in the available free space on the DOS only partition. I found that programs which whole businesses used to be run on, used only 2 - 4 MB of HD space.

by cactus pete

Make the thumb button work as the index button, and notice how much better the hand feels then!

For mice without thumb buttons, just make it lefty. It's amazing how much stress this takes off of your hand.

AND no one else will use your workstation.

by jardinier

As a sometime tutor of computer beginners, I find that operating the mouse is the most difficult of all aspects to conquer.
Firstly, they invariably position their hand at right angles to the mouse, so the right button is the most likely to be pressed.
Secondly, it is hard to get people to learn to handle the mouse gently. Invariably, after laboriously aligning the cursor at the correct position on the screen, the mouse is then vigorously "attacked," so that by the time the electrical contactis made, the cursor has moved across the screen, and the resultant command that is executed is anybody's guess.

And as regards Guru's initial comment about cleaning the beast, I tell people that the best investment they can make is to purchase a brand new mouse every year.

by admin

One of my best support calls was over a mouse. For some completely unfathomable to me reason th person felt you must hold it in the air and point it at the screen like a tele remote. They did get a little re-inforcment apparantly to continue, when they move it around enough it would move a bit.

I still prefer the hacked nintendo power glove personally :)

by jackofalltech

I have a Trackman Marble on all the PCs in my house and I absolutely love it! The ball is about an Inch and a Quarter in diameter which provides exceptional control. The body is mostly elliptical in shape with a button on each angled side providing extreme comfort. Given the choice, I would never use a normal mouse again.

Ralph

by generalist

I used to have a Logitech track ball on an old computer a decade or more ago. While it didn't run into wire problems, it was still subject to roller crud.

I think we switched back because we bought a new machine that didn't have a track ball as an option. For family use, at the time, the difference between the two wasn't worth the extra expense.

Of course I might consider it as an option on the newer machines. Just need to have a mouse die when there is a little extra cash in the budget.

(Here kitty, kitty...)

by jardinier

I used to chat a lot with the software manager of a major computer retailer. We used to joke, but of course it was no joke, that every time you did any update, you ended up with a downgrade.

An outstanding example: I keep spreadsheets of all my doings, like household expenses, the petrol I buy, etc. Well Excel 5.0 belonging to MS Office 4.2 allows 8 separate worksheets per file, so than I can have gas, electricity, telephone, mobile, rates, levy etc all on a single file.

From Office 97 forward, you get only three sheets per file, which completely defeats my purpose of keeping associated spreadsheets on a single file.

But of course the whole IT industry (especially Bill Gates) can only keep growing (the primary premise of capitalism) by releasing a new version of Windows, with its associated software, and necessary hardware to support it, every year. And unfortunately it seem that most people mistakenly believe that "the latest is the best"

Well there's an excerpt from my "rave."

by admin

hehehee..... yep, if we can't program it the way it should work, let's market and sell it as something new entirely.... aarrrrggh!!!!!!!

;>

by vegatecgroup

I switched to a liquid mouse and find it to be far superior to any of the other type of pointing devices available. The one I use still uses a track ball, but it is so easy on the hand. It is like squeezing Charmin all day. I have tried everything on the market and I came to this conclusion. This is my personal favorite, it may not be every ones.

by hal 9000

Well before Windows 95 and they are great not only do they not require much desk space but you don't have to move them around into the bargin. But they are not the perfect solution yet as they still require cleaning admittelly less often but when they do play up it takes as long to clean them properly as an old mouse. I currently have a MS IntelliMouse TrackBall which has just fallen apart when I turned it over to find out what's it's called. I cann't have put it back together properly after cleaning it earlier today. Anyway despite the cost I will continue to use TrackBalls at least until something better comes along.

by hal 9000

I still morn the loss of the strip that went along the top of the keyboard telling you all the hot keys and shortcuts yes there still there but unless you read the books completly and don't get lazy like me then you just forget all those nifty little fast ways of doing things and follow the point and click methoid which is far slower but as I said I'm lazy and I don't really miss the time now even thoug on occasions I'd still prefer that little bit of cardboard along the top of the Keyboard it was a real God Send as it sped up all ways of doing things.

by hal 9000

Once sold to a person who had a Telecom CD {our phone carrier over here it was then Government owned}. The CD clearly said all you need to get on the Internet was this disk and a modem, so the guy promptly came in and bought a modem only to return it the following day saying it didn't work so I tested it and assured him that it did indead work properly. The next day I got a very abusive phone call saying that the modem didn't work and I would have to go down there to show him how to use the thing.

WhenI got there I found the modem setup in front of a TV with the CD sitting on top of the modem and the person being very abusive about it not working. When I asked where was his computer he showed me the CD {which I still have a copy of} andit clearly said that all that was required was that CD and a modem. I refunded him the money for the modem and told him to contact Telecom to get a answer.

by admin

:) It never ceases to amaze and surprise me how literal some people take things!!!

Thanks for the story :)

by mazmann_98

I have a trackball at work and at home, don't have the same size screen though. Love them, can't go back to a normal mouse now, but and there is a but, workmates just can't get on with the trackball....well it does keep them off my machine.

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