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Installed a 2nd CD on mys system. Now, can't access either thru windows explorer. drives are on secondary master and slave. Kenwood 62x and Teac cd-w512e. Tried using on borad controller, installed promise controller. Still can't access from windows. Can access from Third party (Adaptec program) intermittenly. Fresh window reinstall,didn't help.

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by lord ago 1

The secondary master should work just fine. The secondary slave I would change to primary slave. I had this up and running no problem with a Teac 60x and an old 2x I can't remember the name of!! Also make sure of two things.
1) Watch for IRQ conflicts. If you do have them, you should be able to manually configure the IRQs in Device Manager.
2) Don't install a CD-ROM drive too close to a hard drive. I had a problem with his before. It turns out that hard drives produce a magnetic field that will make the CD-Rom drive stop reading. It will look as though the device is working properly but it most assuredly won't.
Other than, of course, try not to bend the pins on the drive(s), it should work just fine.

Have Fun!!

by beoweolf

have full tower case, cd drives are very separated from disc drives. Check for physical problems first. Exhchanged ribbon cables, changes jumpers (to see if exchange of master/slave would help)no change. Didn't try to call Kenwood or Teac tech lines for help, yet. Thought I would try this first.

by crosbywa

Yeap set up one Cd rom as Master, and the next one as Slave, You can do this by changing the Jumpers on the back of the Cd-rom also make sure you have a cable Eide cable with 2 ports dont put the cd-rom near the Hd, a fwe things to watch out for is IRQ conflicts, shouldnt happen if you install drivers first, and set it up right, also make sure that the Red line is on the first pin Or you wont be able to read anything,

Hope it helps

by beoweolf

Had already checked System folder for conficts, none found. Pins are set one slave and one master. When booting-list for primary master and primary slave (2 disc drives. Secondary master and secondary slave (2 cd drives). at first did not show up in devices, removed several double entries, before showed up.

by crosbywa

This is how i Setup my Cd-rw
1. Installed Drivers
2 Rebooted
3. Installed Cd-rw
4 Brought System back up
5. System Picked up Cd-rw
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Make sure the Cd-rw is not on the Same cable as the Hd, It wont work right
Try to switch the cable ends, Ie: whats in the Cdroms to the board,
Hope this one helps a bit better,

by beoweolf

Good ideas...I tried this, I was able to see the drives in device manager, but I still am unable to get them to work. "drive inaccessible" is all I get, still can't get both to be active at the same time in disc detector ( a creative labs util.).

by rogerndgreen

Unless I'm blind, I don't think anyone has suggested checking your BIOS, to ensure that both CDs are recognised at the hardware level.
Next, have you connected your slave CD (whichever that is)to the middle connector of your IDE cable, and the Master CD at the end, furthest away from the m/board?

If this doesn't help, try going back to basics. Connect only the Kenwood CD (set to Master. Does it work?
Hopefully the answer is yes.
Now remove the Kenwood, set the Teac to Master and connectup. Does it work? If the answer is yes again, then you don't have a problem with the drives.
At this stage, reset one of the CDs to Slave, connect to the middle connector on the cable, set the other CD as Master & connect to one end, and plug back in the m/board. Now does it work? If not, recheck the connection, partucularly at the m/board. It is easy to get the pins mixed up and think you're connecting up pin1 when in fact it's 26 (I know, I have done this myself).
If you are still having problems, then it's a new one on me. I have two CDs (a Sony CDR & Yamaha CD/RW) running Win98, so I know it works.
Soory I can't be more help than this.

Roger

by rogerndgreen

Juast seen Pauls answer after mine. I agree that an IDE cable is parallel throughout and position shouldn't make a difference, but I have seen this trick work once before, when all else seems to fail. I don't know all the ins & outs, but it may besomething similar to the postioning of terminators on a SCSI chain (muddying the watres here, I know).
Another comment to a couple of other answers, unless you absolutely have to, do not connect a CD to the same controller as a hard disk, because you will slow down data transfer. Much better performance is to keep the CDs to the secondary controller. This trick also applies in SCSI systems, where slow tape drives should never be in the same chain as faster disks.
Roger

by beoweolf

Tried "removing" the drives from system devices screen. It took almost an hour of booting/loading and driver loads to get window to find them again.

by mckaytech

I like Roger's answer but just wanted to point out that a standard IDE cable has all wires in parallel to the same pins on each connector so whether the slave is connected to the middle or one of the ends shouldn't matter. (unlike the old floppy cables with the twist in the middle between A and B).
Polarity matters, but not position.

But I think his answer overall was likely to get you to where you need to be.

paul

by beoweolf

good observation, but doesn't helpthis weird case. Some internal windows architecture expert-please help!

by poettone

My suggestion is to install your hard disk and one cd as mater slave on primary controller and the other cd on the secondary controller as master. the irq isnt even a question cdroms are handled under the dual hard disk controllers?I have never seen a cdrom use an irq!! This will work for you!

by beoweolf

Putting a CD, on the same string as a Hard Drive is disaterous to performance. I found that out the hard way. I checked with Kenwood and they say pretty much the same thing.

by reeree

Position on the ribbon cable does not matter.
Position on primary/secondary does not matter
It may slow your system but it still should work. IRQ's is a non-issue. I agree with the one person who said to check the BIOS. If you have an auto setting, set it there. Try running msinfo32.exe, go to components/storage/drives and see if they are there.

by beoweolf

Checked system out with Norton, MS sysinfo, Fixit. Everything registered as being correctly configured, no conflicts.

by Member 35772270

What you have is an internal hardware conflict. Windows recognize the cd drives and will not report an error, because it is has resources available for both of them. The problem is the 2 CD drives are not talking to each other to determine which is slave/master, they both want to be the boss. Some how you have to force the issue, manually configure the jumpers for both slave and master, putting the master at the end of the cable. Keep in mind that some manufactures will not allow there equipment to be mixed with others, no matter how they are configured. Oh, by the way the kenwood product literature web page says they are using an inovative technology available only from Kenwood, which might mean that it can only communicate with only there CD models.

by beoweolf

I have been to the Kenwood site, talked to their tech staffer. Downloaded and installed firmware upgrade u160a, for Athlon MB. Still doesn't work correctly in windows. I can get the CD-RW to work under Adaptec EZ-loader, so the drives are fine, they just don't seem to register in windows. I didn't mention before that I had moved disc drives to "Promise" ATA 100 controller+firmware upgrade. Have removed it and reset BIOS to use on-board primary/secondary controller. Maybe need to reinstall ASUS MB latest BIOS?

by tsmith

Beowulf,
I doubt if the problem is hardware or master/slave configuration, but there are some CD's that balk at being configured as Master, so try swapping the master/slave configuration on the two drives. Although performance may suffer, try setting one drive up as the primary slave with your HD. IF this resolves your problem, then it for certain is not any IRQ or resource conflict with Windows.
Most likely your problem is software.
If you are using the Adaptec EZ CD Creator Deluxe software, be aware that there is a bug in that S/w that causes the drive to not be recognized. The basic version of EZ CD Creator does not suffer from this problem.

by beoweolf

The problem is 90% fixed, it was the bus drivers. Thanks all for your contributions. I have gone back to the slot controller (ata/100).

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