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I've got a wanabe who just hired on as a Senior Vice President. This guy used to work for the company like 2 years ago but got laid off. Now he's back and we've upgraded to 2000 from 98 and he insists on having admin rights to his W2K laptop because he needs to "control his own destiny on the computer" pfft...
My boss and I are sticking to the guns that got our support to user ratio up to 1/150. Has anyone run into this problem? Do you give admin rights to your executives if they ask for it?

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by gralfus

The way we handled execs was to provide them with their own polished support team. Most execs don't know their modem from a hole in the ground, so they appreciate having a well-dressed individual come and rescue them.

For those that have enough knowledge to make them dangerous, the same team can explain to them why the rules are there, etc. But you must have backing from on high or the execs will make life difficult. Most can at least understand that if they screw up their work PC, their work will suffer. Show them the danger versus benefit. Insist that if they want customization, that it should be done by them on their home PC (that is not attached to your network) or that you can provide installation of certain programs once they have been determined not to conflict with company work programs. It will come down to a power play - beware of the walls that will result as you can find yourself unemployed before you know it.

Lastly, image his PC in a working mode so that it can be restored quickly after he screws it up, because he will screw it up. And for kicks keep track of how many times this takes place and the cost involved.

by hiro_protagonist

Thanks gralfus, Those are all very good points.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. He claims that it will require more support because he won't be able to admin his own PC and will have to call me every time he needs something changed. Although, when I asked him for specifics he couldn't name anything besides installing his WiFi card for his home netowrk, which I agreed to install for him.

This may be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If he doesn't have the admin rights, he'll be more apt to want to install things and change settings and will make sure he is a giant pain in my butt so he can prove his point.

Personally I think he just doesn't like following rules set down by someone so much younger and lower on the food chain than him. This guy has a huge ego and would probably have a hard working tech like me canned just to get his way...

by afoshee

We have similar problems at our company with managers at all levels wanting admin rights, and we just document all the problems that causes and eventually senior management gets tired of the cost and hassle involved and we get permission to lock down virtually every exception.

You've got to remember three things in corporate life...
1) For every rule you need to be ready for an exception.
2) Get everything in writing.
3) Without senior management approval you've got squat.

Our business isn't one prone to hackers nor security issues, but we are constantly vigilent to prevent problems. And WIFI networks are huge gaping holes of access for anyone with three brain cells and no morals to gain access to a network. We require all employees to disable or remove their WIFI cards while they're in the office, and we don't support any problems that are created with them (i.e. software conflicts, etc.).

I hope you didn't "step in it" by installing a personal piece of hardware in a corporate laptop - that would be a real big "NO-NO" where I am.

Good luck!

by gpartridge

If the Executive requires local Admin rights to his laptop then whats the problem?
He can't cause issues other than with his own laptop.
Give him the rights and if he causes himself problems, politely explain that the IT Policy would have prevented the issue.

by russell

First of all, you have just set the standard: IT policy is worth less than the disk space the file occupies on the network. When that laptop crashes because he installed Bonzi Buddy and a handful of other non-standard apps, who is he going to come running to?

How are you going to tell the other VP's, that they can't have local admin rights? You've already given them to VP 1.

Do you or your manager answer directly to this VP? If not, he needs to go through his chain of command with a business justification of why he needs those rights.

by jeffassessor

Give up the control issue,(rule 1: "THEY" are always right), you can never win a pissing match with brass. Alow him to screw up and be VERY prepared to bail him out at a moments notice. The result: You start to look like the second coming and he begins to rely on you for more than just tech stuff (which he does not respect and beleives to be monkey trainable anyway). Look at the big picture; YOU WANT TO GROW UP AND BE THE BIG FISH TOO!

by valor

gpartridge@mdi-ltd.com, the issue with the executive being granted Admin rights is that you not only circumvent the IT Policy thus making it worth nothing, but setting a standard of foregoing the policy. Have your dept head setup a meeting with him and the company senior to force them to either support you or let you know where your policy and dept stand in their eyes.
If he cannot provide substantial reasoning to his boss for having admin rights, then it shuts the issue down right there. Thus, it prevents any further heartache or conflict. Trust me, he wont wish to look like an idiot in front of his boss. BTW, dont do all this via email. Make the meeting a face to face meeting.
As far as possible threats, there are many security issues with granting admin rights as most already know. Proprietary company info can be leaked by an untrained Admin making changes to by-pass features of your network security structure. Once he makes changes to his laptop he may inadvertantly cause a virus threat to your network among other things. Educate his boss in order to stop the executive in his tracks.

by jespalmer

The problem with giving any user full admin rights on their computer is that allows them to install software that could potentially harm the entire network (like kazaa or another IRC app). Also, that gives them the ability to lock out domain admins, change the local admin password to something less secure, disable antivirus programs... in other words, a BIG bucket of worms. This is especially dangerous with a laptop user, who will log into his own home network (over which you have no control). Don't even get me started on the WIFI!!!!

If it's not already too late to do so, I would explain calmly all of the above risks to this executive, and in a very polite way mention that even though you don't believe that he would do any of that, if you break policy for one Executive, then all the others will want their own exceptions. My experience has been that if you kill him with kindness - tell him that you will be more than happy to help him install any software necessary for him to perform his job - then he will find out that he won't actually need to bother you much at all.

by jboardman

After several years of this fight, we finally just created an exec support - me. While the rules are the rules, keeping the execs happy is policy for several reasons. The execs had to cover the cost of my salary plus two spare machines to cover their "mistakes". I ghost each exec's machine when it's imaged and set up for them. I make sure it costs at least 24 hours for each error that causes a "reimage", then back up their data and ghost their image down and replace the data. They're happy, we're happy, and after a time or two being without a machine for 24 hours, they're a lot more careful what they do with their admin privileges.

by josche

I agree with jboardman's technique - minimize the risk, but if there's an issue make sure they know the damaage it caused. At the same - if you think you'll run into issues before you can get them imaged with spare hardware waiting, you might try renaming the admin to something else, then create a false admin ID with as much rights as needed - or give this false admin ID rights that expire. You can then explain that certain installs won't work because of other security settings on the laptop but it may cut down on un-approved installs.
Ultimately you'll need to make your case with #'s not policies in place. Once this VP (and their boss) understand the overall cost involved, they may back down.

by sandym

Brilliant response from Gralfus - I had a similar problem and fortunately had a good enough relationship with the user for him to trust me to sort him out after he had "fiddled".

A month later the user was instrumental in pushing through a new server purchase at a time when the company wouldn't purchase anything!

by k2zedx

We all know that from middle managment up, you are not going to win. Exec's are the worst. I would suggest giving him the desired rights, and them when he comes to you with a problem, explain that you gave him admin rights, and he has the abality to fix his own problems. Once he realizes he is in too deep, you can sit him down with you and bore him to tears with all the fixes you will have to perform. If you take up enough of his time, he might not cause any further problems.

by dc_guy

You have to consider the totality of your career, not just your primary responsibilities of providing network support. In general the wisest thing to do is to completely defer to an executive if all he's doing is causing a little trouble, not breaking the law.

You'll be able to fix the little problems he causes. If you tick off the wrong person and get fired, you will have a big problem, and those are harder to fix.

by hiro_protagonist

that it's better to be fixing an executives broken laptop than to be looking for a new job...
got it... 8 )
I think I'll just squash the little ego I've got going on and just give the guy what he wants, and smile while doing it...
Thanks guys!

by tomsal

Good move Hiro,

Definitely in a situation like this..."bow down" to the executive and give them what they want. Trust me I've fought this battle myself for a long time and I its just pointless in the end.

BUT!!! (Of course...there's ALWAYS a "BUT"! lol)...

But DOCUMENT DOCUMENT DOCUMENT!!!

I may "give in" to executives who want admin control, but trust me I keep it all documented with the exact date (I've gone as far as put the exact TIME like 8:39 AM...in my documentation) and I ALWAYS inform our Senior Ops exec who is also an-ex IT guy, so its the closest to a CIO we have here.

If you inform someone and keep good documentation..THEN when they screw up -- you have the power behind you to say "Hey I told you so and here's the proof oh and ask [CIO's name here] as well"..lol..

by johnnysacks

If your direct supervisor says no, why is he going after you?

If you're the guy saying no, you're soon to be road kill. This guy gets canned by the company, then he's capable of convincing superiors (same ones that canned him?) that his attitude is 100% in line with the company AFTER the fact? He's a two faced liar with salesman skills that will bury you.

If the guy is indeed a menace with an over-inflated ego, you're not going to get a call unless he's got the laptop 100% hosed.

Screw imaging the hard drive, backing up his data is his problem, reformat IS an option. Make him submit a formal request for service. Put an oscar level performance on looking energetic and enthusiastic, he's your buddy ole' pal, golfing, sailing, dinner at the club... right? Dog the job, the normal company operation is on hold while you attend to his issues.

by gsquared

Make it clear in the written documentation of the granting of admin privileges that, if he brings a virus or other destructive piece of software into the system through action or negligence on his part, that he will be prosecuted on criminal charges for cyber-terrorism. Kind of the ultimate CYA. Even if you never prosecute, it will at least give you an escape hatch if he brings in something that causes a disaster.

by mrafrohead

You as well as I know there is no such thing as an exec that should have any Admin rights.

They're dumber than a post when it comes to doing anything on a computer, let alone trying to just turn one on.

You give that person rights and they'll hose the machine and cause your department to spend unnecessary time fixing a problemt that didn't need to happen in the first place. And the exec won't care, and will more than likely do it again.

That's my experience, and I'm stickin to it.

Mrafrohead

by hiro_protagonist

That is exactly my experience with this issue. Even the most tech savy 50+ year old execs are total noobs. Of course there are exceptions, but it seems to me that unless you grew up with with this stuff you just don't "get it". Have you noticed that some people when presented with two options to click on always click the wrong one?

But what am I supposed to do? We're not a big company at 200 people. I am the sole support guy and will have to deal with this exec all the time. I think I'm just gonna bite the bullet and give him enough rope to hang himself.

by fabian.vandermerwe

As most Systems Admins, I am very busy with very little time in the day to deal with "petty" problems. One needs to evaluate how difficult this Exec can make your life. If he ranks higher than your boss then perhaps you should think about doing his bidding.

Personally I won't. A policy is there to govern employees and officers of the company and hence needs to be obeyed by all. My CEO is an "IT Man" and he obeys IT Policy. He however does have Local Admin rights as he connects his MDA to his notebook. However our policy states that certain users may be granted Local Admin rights at the discretion of the IT Manager and Systems Administrator.

I hope this helps.

F@bs

by djent

Ghost his drive, limit his network rights. If he blows it up oh well, restore and let him worry about changes and data.

by shaggysheld

Deny him local removable media access via policy, and give him the same clientuser rights as everyone else to network drives.

by deadly ernest

I have experienced this in a number of different work environments, both private enterprise and govt beaurocracy.

The first thing is I point out what the policy is and that I do not have any authority to overide or change the policy if I wish to stay employed, then point them to the person who authorised the policy. Funny how the execs don't want to waste their boss' time with minor things like this.

I have seen organisations that have a set format for all their machines, those wanting to personalise them can have all the admin rights they want and get personally billed for any service calls on the machine as the support people are only there to support the standard set up.

I have also seen organisations that resolved this by having the set format installed on the network controller and whenever a machine logs on to the network the server checks certain files and then updates and program updates/upgrades needed and restores the system to the current format, and every machine is shutdown over the weekend. Most people who want to personalise either get used to doing a regular resetup or give up on it.

Others have no solid policy and allow this do an image everytime they update or upgrade the system. When there get a call and it is not an easy fix they just reimage the machine. We got the image discs to such a point that we trained some 'regular' exec clients in putting the image disk in and doing it themselves, made two disk for these guys. This saved us many hours work as they would reimage whilst out to a meeting or lunch.

by frankieee

Just make sure its considered a company policy not to have admin rights. You might want to hold a lunch-and-learn about 'User Policies on the Network'. If he's giving you a really hard time give him local admin rights, then just tell him that if something goes wrong with his pc then you'll need to revoke his rights as an administrator on that pc. You don't want to have to keep fixing a pc due to user errors. Tell him that time is money and I'm sure he'll agree. If you do give him local admin rights, he may not be as tech-savy as he appears to be. If he's not technical, then it will be a novelty for a few weeks then he'll forget about it. If its for simple tasks like changing wallpaper/fonts etc then its not worth making an issue of it, just give it to him.
These are my personal opinions and ideas on how to manage that type of a situation.
Good Luck

by kiero

Run into this situation myself, exec's are not above company rules.

Make him understand and get him to sign a non-disclosure/disclaimer form, making him fully aware that any problems or damage caused from him having admin rights, HE FIXES.

He wants admin rights, he can have the responsibilities that go with it.

by agnostic

But at the end of the day hiro_protagonist is the IT support for his organisation - he can't just deny support to this person because they want greater access.

Hiro, you'll have to bite the bullet and give him the access (he's an exec, you're support - no use fighting a battle you won't win, or making an enemy of an exec).

But, as other people have advised, ghost his machine so it can quickly be restored. Also configure offline folders or some sort of desktop backup client to save off his data every day, so you can restore it if he does corrupt the machine.

by robthegeek

Hiro, you might want to set up partition on his drive for his data, and then ghost his main partition. Stick the image on the partition with the data, if he has a problem with something he did, he can re-image it himself with a simple boot disk you set up with the command sequence already in the autoexec. If the problem is something you have to fix, chances are it was going to happen anyway. Not all the execs are tech-stunned, some are just accident-prone.

by valor

Question 1 - Why do we even have policies if they are not enforced or followed?

Question 2 - Can the Lawyers, Judges and police break the law by mere fact that they are in positions of authority?

It is apparent that IT does not gain the respect of the user community because of attitudes of "Just give in"..."He is an exec so he can have what he wants"...Dont fight a battle you cant win"

I am sure our countries forefathers are rolling over in their graves....You will ultimately WIN their support and respect by standing your ground and enforcing policy. You do not have to be arrogant or unprofessional about it. Just state the facts and get his boss involved if it continues to be an issue. EVERYONE answers to someone, unless it is a sole proprietorship. If you give in to their every whim...do you think they respect you? Or...do you think they view you as one of their "yes men" or butt kissers? As IT professionals I think we are setting the stage for being ignored and abused if we allow constant by-pass of our policies.

I know it sounds rather radical, but society has become complacent in almost all walks of life. Respect is earned and not given so show them that you are professional and you have the rules for a reason. Present the reasons in writing, fully lined out as to why these policies are in place. If you cannot explain the need for the policy or dont have a clue as to why they are in place, then you have already lost the battle and the policy needs to be changed. Bottom line.

by dumbuser

>>>>Run into this situation myself, exec's are not above company rules

Actually, in most companies, execs make the rules.

by kevin.dorrell

If he insists on having privileged access against all your recommendations, get your security policy changed to include his specific privileged access, and ask him to sign it off.

by orvinabbott

Recently we had a similar incident, and due the execs feelings being hurt when he was denied access, we were called before the CEO, the exec and HR to be written up for doing our job of enforcing policy. This included unauthorized installation of software (not enough licenses) by the exec, to equipment purchases that did not meet corporate configurations. From the CEO, you answer to anyone who is above your level in the food chain and if unauthorized/illegal software is installed, make it legal. It was very close to an escort out the door. We have documented in the past the infractions and will continue to document. HR gets a copy of all documentation on this execs activities that go against policy! It's not worth losing your job over the exec who will have their way no matter what policy states. Especially if you have no support in enforcing policy! Document, Document, Document!!

by chris.harrison

The best advice I would give is refer him to your superior,-you can't change policy, you can merely advise on it. If your boss is asked the question by the exec, he will ask your advice, and you can have your say in the matter. Any clauses you want adding in if he gets admin rights will not come from you, so your back is covered. This kind of thing happens all the time where I work, so its become a 'pat' response to anyone questioning IT policy

by expert-in-spe

Hi, I'm also young, bottom of the heirarchy and what's worse female! We have a load of guys and gals here who get large paychecks and think that makes them a special customer.
Make it clear that you are a dogsbody doing the job you are hired to do, according to the rules given to you and the best knowledge available. Don't question them about their IT knowledge but rather about the business need and if you loose make sure you don't have to spend hours cleaning up by having a standard image to give them. Be sure they know that they have to get the rest of their downloads etc. themselves. And don't pamper them, it makes them worse than they would naturally be.

by gknight

Why not try him on Power User rights on local machine first and see if he can do all he needs with that.

by johnrains

You specifically said "executive" which implies his right to set company policy - IT techs do not really have this level authority so be careful; this could quickly become a ride you will wish to get off.

The problem you are facing has two facets - technical and political.

Politically, I would find the executive who currently "owns" the policy and ask for their ruling on the poicy amendment. If the result is an amended policy that allows the executive administrative rights, go ahead and give them. If not, the problem is resolved without you being the bad guy.

Technically, if you want to be a top notch tech, you'll also set up some method to rapidly restore the system in the event of a screw-up. Alternatively, if you are one who wants to believe that "IT rules", you'll impatiently await the day that you can take about a week to rebuild the laptop as punishment for the exec's insubordination towards IT's overarching authority.

by humphred

First, make sure it's not just IT policy, but that the CEO (aka president) has signed off on it. Get it signed off if it isn't already. Then he'd have to justify changing the policy company-wide.
Second, if it's not 'company-policy' he'll probably get it. Be prepared to document every minute you spend supporting his laptop, and the associated costs. $ talks when you build the case to remove the priv.
Third, look into conducting 'configuration reviews'. It's a good excuse to see what's been installed, keep it updated and within spec, and remove what's not allowed.
Remember, document everything regarding this 'exec priv' and eventually you'll have a case to remove the priv, assuming he abuses it.

by executive

Regardless of this person's history, he is now a Sr. VP in the
company. As with all employees, he must follow the
policies. So, if the policy is clear that admin is solely the
domain of IT, then he cannot be given admin privileges by
you, since that would make you in violation of the policy. If
there is room for exceptions to the IT only condition, then
give him privileges. This is because exceptions become the
rule across time.

If the situation is the former, tell him that since his
previous tenure with the company, policy and policy
enforcement has changed. Should he feel it is better for the
company that individuals have admin privileges then he
should submit same to the policy people (varies by
company) for their next review.

If the latter, then you bring the non-exception position to
the policy people for their approval by using the exceptions
as examples of wasted IT resources (fixing individual's
mistakes, re-securing systems and reducing company risks
of liabilities from misuse) and inefficiency of user time.

Note that the decision to make the policy exclusive or non-
exclusive is conditional on the approval of people outside
IT. Keep this group aware of the risks of variations to
policy, while you at all times follow policy as written and
intended.

by kevin.brunk

I agree with Executive. But, it may be helpful to remember that in the era of Sarbanes-Oxley and the failure of Enron, the Worldcom and Tyco debacles, companies should be VERY wary of executives who seek exception to established policy. Who knows what their motives are, and what they might be able to do "underneath the covers" once they have more authority than they are supposed to have - especially unsupervised authority.

I am tempted to say that, now, perhaps all policies should include a disclaimer that should any (senior?) executive seek exception to company policies, the CEO/COO, CFO, and/or the senior executive committee, as well as the Board of Directors should be advised. After all, they are the most likely candidates to be cell-mates of Martha if the requesting executive commits an illegal act having obtained the policy exception.

by dlavoie

If your company is publicly traded, then you are bound by SOA and must follow established policies and procedures. The era of executive privilege has past, and your new VP needs to understand this.

Then, there is always the possibility of illegal software being loaded onto his laptop. If it's a company laptop, who will be fined? Or downloads that contain malware that could be spread throughout your network. Not good scenarios.

My advice - stick to the policy.

by securitytech

This would depend on how your policies are structured and approved. All of our IT policies are approved by the CIO. Last time I checked the CIO sits higher than a Sr. VP.

If you standards allow for exemptions (your policy should never allow any exemption) then require the VP to submit a formal request in writing in accordance with your organizational structure and directives.

This is more than a policy issue though. If the VP is aware of people who just asked for rights and got them then your position is significantly weakened. However, if you have been abiding by policy and standards then you have grounds to require a formal request (if your standards allow it).

by jamacdonald

Most businesses now have Sorbanes Oxaley to deal with. If giving the exec admin permits him to bypass controls, then it is not allowed. SOX also requires you to minimize the number of people in the organization that have elevated permissions. Another aspect of it is from the information assurance perspective, POLP - Principle Of Least Privilege, give them only what they need to do their job.

by davebourke

If this executive isn't part of IT services, how could he fire you? You don't report to him, he's not in your department. Executives don't have as much power these days as what they did a few years ago. If the exec was in the IT department as your own manager or something he'd have admin rights anyway since he'd have to approve whatever went on with the network.

We run a standard SOE for the entire company. Executives receive the same rights as basic users with slight adjustments made in AD for access to reports and so on. All these adjustments are approved up the chain of IT services so regardless of what an executive thinks of you for saying no to granting him admin priviledges they can't really take it out on you since it's the same scenario for everyone in the company.

by habari

I presume tha you have some kind of SLA with the business/users. So let HIS boss know that any workstation whis is "non-standard build" will not be supported by IT. Further, the PC is not his, it belongs to the company and hence must operate within company rules. Get him to put in writing/email how lack of the rights impede his service delivery to the company while stating your reasons for the "standard-build"...of course copy his boss and yours, CYA. If he has good reasons, make very clear that he takes responsibility for any impact of the exception.

by dumbuser

Again, you can invoke all the SLAs you want--the perception will be that you don't care about your customers. The reaction will be, "you're fired."

by ce_younger

There are exceptions to every rule (policy), and everyone has a boss. I would try to learn the reason for the request and find another way to satisfy the exec. If not I would require an exception form (with implications detailed) signed by the exec's boss, image the drive and give the exec his rope!

by racote

There will always be the exec who thinks he knows more
than he or she really does. There will be the prima donnas
who demand a different brand of machine or software that
will require extra support. There are those who will want
you to support home systems.

You have to build this into your plan. Because no matter
how important the CIO is - the CFO or COO will overrule to
keep peace. The smaller the business the worse the
problem.

by racote

Slipping slightly off topic- so much of this depends on the
corporate culture. I have been places where even the CEO
can't get extra privelages to other businesses where the
attitude was to give them whatever they want. Not all
solutions will work in every environment (like we're not
used to that?)

by roger99a

Have his boss convince your boss to allow his access. It's that simple. The VP's boss is ultimately responsible for for the VP's actions and your boss is responsible for maintaining the integrity of IT policy. Get documentation for the exception if it occurs. Many people will try to bully those with less power than themselves, but shy away when they have to go up the ladder first.

by piratesam

In a similar case, what I do, is to get toknow the exec better, and ask him to mentor me in this specific case. I usually ask him what should I do, and how should I reply to him, especially in front of HIS peers. How should I justify letting him get Full Admin Priviledges and refuse it to his peers. He knows best and you work FOR him.

Of course, him beeing the mentor, he can have anything he needs to have, and you are here to serve him. How many times he screws-up is irrelevant: you work FOR him, and before you know it you will be working WITH him and there is nothing better than forging a good relationship with any co-worker be it a CEO or a janitor.

The rule always applies: Please help me and teach me and mentor me.

If - by miracle - you fall on a "one-of-a-kind" rotten apple, then at least you have it documented that you did your best and you let him hang himself by putting it in writing that you do not suggest (and the word here is suggest) that he get an admin access, and that he is being an exception to the rule, and that he is then responsible for any delays he might create with his laptop.

REMEMBER that this does NOT mean he will have any priviledged access on the network !!

Create a win-win situation.

by robita

First, either the company has a policy or it doesn't. Having one on paper and having top management supporting it is where it gets tough. This is NOT his computer it belongs to the company, and should be managed like other company assets. At a minimum I would ask for some signed authorization from a top manager. This provides an audit trail for SOX and at least you are not in the line of fire.

by leonard j rivera sr.

I've read through all the replies to your question and have dealt with this myself. Here is what I have to say.

Take a small piece from what everyone had to say. Here is what I do.

First of all, the law is the law, breaking the law has to be clearly defined in your IT policy.

Is your company a public company or is it privately owned? This makes a huge difference in regulatory compliance which may govern what privileges he is allowed to have.

Become his executive support and keep up to date ghost images, this will only help you in the end.

Most importantly, and most here have stated it, document everything, cross your T's and dot your i's. Make this part of your status report that you submit to your supervisor.

Deffer responsibility, you didn't create the policy and you are not high enough to customize it per user. No need to back down on what you told him. Simply explain you are willing to work with him in trying to get what he needs. (be political) But that you can not allow this without higher approval. The deffer to your supervisor and get it in writing (either by creating a special privleges form or getting your supervisor to sign off on the work order)

The name of the game is to keep the execs happy no matter what, at the same time you need to keep your systems safe so when ever there is a change in order, make sure it is documented thoroughly and signed off on by those who have the authority to change the rules.

Use your own tools against him, we use spyware detection and blockers as well as scanning systems on a weekly basis for unauthorized applications. Just because he gets local admin rights doesn't mean he can install anything he wants. I would not even cover this as part of the admin rights issue. Your IT policy should clearly outline this seperately and it should be treated as a seperate issue. When and if spyware or any other unauthorized software is discovered, you can address that. First by notifying the end user (yes SVP or not, he's still just an end user) via email of the discovery and that the software will need to be removed, CC: your supervisor, then open a work order and schedule the removal.

Summary - Do what ever you can to give them what they want. Don't tell them it can't be done, tell them how it can be done. Document everthing and get signatures where needed. Enforce policy and keep your supervisor(s) in the loop. If the poop is gonna fly, remember to duck.

That's the best advise I can offer.

by nicknielsen

Give him admin rights on his laptop, but, as suggested elsewhere, warn him that the turn-around time for any major fixes (reimages, etc.) is 24 hours. After a couple of long waits without a laptop, he will probably get the idea, particularly

Another option to consider is making the user part of the Windows Power Users group? We have several non-Microsoft applications here that, according to the manufacturer, require the user have admin privileges to run; we tried "Run As" from the Users group, but it just didn't work. Power User status appeases these apps without allowing the user too many excess privileges.

by markza

We had a simmilary problem with an exec. Although he did not want to comply with the normal internal policy. We have a very tough CIO and total buy in from our shareholders and board members. We raised the issue with the Shareholders and they took up the issue at their next board meeting. We held our stance on the company policy. We also have two dedicated technical resources for our exes.
The Exec finally agreed that altough he was on the top of the company food chain, policies and procedures are a necessary and integral part of the company, and no excpetions could be made. problem solved.
This would not have been possible, if we did not have our shareholders and board member buy in right from the word go.

by ristau5741

I agree 100%, they are the ones trying to run the business, not us in the trenches.

if they want it, give it up, document it, if you have issues, notify your manager in writing and move on. once this is accomplished, it's no longer your responsibility. You have done your job, that's what you get paid to do.

It has taken me a long time to learn this.

by kkohl

NO, NO, NO. We have the same problem (I think everyone does), and it is a struggle. Don't give in. Stick to your guns. These people should realize they set the example for others in the company. Allowing admin access will only cause more problems.

by alysonh

We have a fairly laid back policy regarding user rights on local computers/desktops. It works because it's a small network though, only about 50 users. The rule, in writing is, you are allowed to administer your own desktop, HOWEVER, we do not support, fix, repair or otherwise take care of problems that have to do with anything they install or arise from anything they install. We also disclaim, from the point that they change something, any responsibility for anything on the computer.

What I have found is one "Hrmmm, I'm going to have to reformat this, will be a couple of days before you get it back" has pretty much stopped people from playing too much with their computers.

What -I- would do?
a) Give the guy what he wants.
b) Get his acknowledgement that he understands what he is playing with and the consequences. (I'd suggest getting it in writing)
c) Make sure that his superiors understand that you are giving him admin rights because he demanded them but you can't be responsible for what might happen, i.e. losing usage for a few days.

by kasualkid

I would say you would end up supporting it anyway - even if all you do is re-image the desktop.

We just hired a COO within the last year and a half (he came from one of the big 3 oil companies). My VP of IT reports to him and he is greatly concerned about the support we have to maintain to people who do not abide by IT policies. His most recent comment was, "At [the oil company he worked at before] if a support issue was caused by a user 'breakin an IT policy', they sent the user a personal bill for the support call."

An interesting concept. I would write a contract to that effect and create a new revenue stream for your support staff.

by it-is manager

That sounds very "user friendly", but not very realistic - I beleive the policy was put in place to reduce work not create it by giving users rights and waiting for the inevitable to happen - like at 5:30 when your trying to walk out the door. And I don't care how casual your company is or small - I find it hard to believe that your president/owner is going to say "Ok a couple days for John without his computer is fine - just get it to him when you can." more like - "Get it going ASAP and explain to him what he did wrong - I know he did wrong, but he needs his computer to work and we can't wait a couple days".

by rbmg

We run a network with approximately 70 Clients and used to have a similar policy....until users started loading software that would consistantly go out on the network or internet (like Weather Bug). This started clogging up the network with non-company related traffic that would bring the network down to a crall, thereby affecting everyone.

We locked down all clients, removed all non-company related software and re-wrote the policies. No network problems, client problems reduced by 85%, network traffic issues are virtually non-existant. Only traffic problem we have had since doing this was from a screaming NIC...we replaced the NIC card and have had no issues since.

by gill

What's this chap's history? Did he previously have the rights? And, if so, were there issues? If so, you have your argument to deny his request. If he cannot come up with a sound business reason for same, then no.
Also, figures around down time, recovery etc would be usefulto support your case as revenue is king.
Good luck

by robthegeek

First of all, you don't state that this is a company policy. If it isn't a policy endorsed by the CEO, SVPs who request local admin rights will almost always win the argument. The only real option for you is to document everything that you or your boss have to do to maintain this machine's integrity. As stated in some of the other posts, $ talks. Time wasted fixing an unproductive user's machine is money wasted. Enough wasted money will lead to a review involving your department, this SVP and the head guy. Without policy in-place, you have no leg to stand on.

by jimmypi

I get the same sort of thing all the time here. Unfortunantly we are a software development company and all the developers need to have admin rights to thier workstations. By employing SMS though I can watch for hardware and software changes that cause problems and I can take away or uninstall programs that I don't want them to have, or even reinstall programs correctly that they screw up. I also get similar request that "I am a VP and I want access to all the switch rooms and data centers" Which causes shivers up my spine everytime I get them. My only reply is "so you want rights to trip up and bring down the whole network?" A really smart VP knows when he is over his head, and a computer usually is, even tho they wont admit it.

by plumley9

Every new employee and all of the old ones have been given the company policies and expectations of behavior. They have to sign a form agreeing to those policies before their network access is enabled.

A) all machines have 'Local administrators' and most of the users know their password. These accounts can NOT attach to the network. The network account is a 'power user' level and the login procedure / group policy verifies that setting before allowing network access.

B) I log any changes to the standard setup on systems. I also retain signed notes for any variances to the 'standard' setup.

C) I have converted half our systems to XP Pro because of the 'System Restore' function this not only enables fast recovery, but DOCUMENTS changes and when they were made. ( we sill convert the rest of the systems this fiscal year. If you wish to stay with 2000, keep a 'ghost' of the drive as delivered and try Win Rescue. It works like 'system restore'.

D) If at all possible, avoid the fight. Document the variances and stay current with your logs.

by relm

Like all executives they are allowed to make their decisions, and live with the results. Let them! They will find out soon enough that they cannot afford the outages and loss results of their action. Or, perhaps in this case, they will be allowed a repeat performance of their lay off of two years ago. (You can only hope!)

Another issue is of IT policies as opposed to a definitive "Security Policy", as in ISO 17799, that is driven from executive sponsorship,and risk assessment of the legal liabilities. The questions of wayward executives is answered and easily controlled.

Robert Elm
[HEGL International]
P.O.Box 318,
Hamel, MN 55340
612-308-3002
relm@usinternet.com

ISO 17799 Information Security Management Systems
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by seamus

Allowing someone to dictate change without a business need is opening Pandora's box.

I can assume that you do because you probably wouldn?t be having this discussion if he was VP for another department.

Education is the most important tool you have in your arsenal. Teach him the reasons that Administration privileges are limited. Administration privilege makes the machine more open to Virus attacks, Spyware and other unwanted menaces. Thus making the network more vulnerable

If he still insists on the change then have him make the change request based business need. This is an explanation of why it is a requirement and have it signed off by a superior. (superior to the person making the request.) I know in this situation that is very limited but that is the policy that we have here. If it is the president that is making the request I have my superior sign off.

You can request this because you are going outside company policy and you need to document any deviation from company policy for future reference.

If the business reason is not a need it is a want then you have something to work with.

by tllvp

Do you ultimately report to this VP? If so, then you're most likely out of luck and will have to give him what he wants. If not, have your superior go up the chain of command to see if your VP will support the decision to keep things locked down. If he will, then HE should have the backbone to go tell the pain VP that it ain't happening and why. If he won't support you, then once again you're out of luck and will have to give in regardless of policy.

by kaceyr

At the company I work for, we run W2K on the backend servers and XP Pro on the workstations, including the laptops. For all workstations, the profile for the users is set so that they have local administrator access. This doesn't give them squat on the servers, but gives them a lot of control on the workstation.

Here's the catch:
We have group policies, that's real Windows Policies not a piece of paper, that enforce a great many things on all users. Basically, anything that a workstation user could use to cause a problem is locked out. The only complaints that we ever got were the users who wanted to clear their web browser history (the policies also allow our Network Operations group to monitor certain activities and provide the ability to audit any workstation at any time), and those complaints were all within the first two months of the XP rollout.

Now you may be thinking, "How do the developers get anything done???". The developers workstations are all on their own subnet, within their own domain. Yup, our own domain all to ourselves. We're allowed to do pretty much anything we want to our workstations, but when we screw up (WHAT??!!!?! Developers screw up????) we "flash" our systems back to the initial setup, or to our last good image.

When things do go amiss on the non-developer workstations, they get "flashed" back to the standard installation. The IT support staff doesn't even begin to try to troubleshoot. It's not worth the time or effort. Everyone knows, you screw it up, your box get re-flashed! The "flash" is a customized XP Pro installation that has been burned to CD, so the IT support staff shows up with one of the CD's and says "this will take about an hour, why don't you go to lunch?".

It's not all peaches and cream because IT (often) gets called on the carpet to justify why things are set the way they are. So far IT has always been able to successfully defend their position.

All in all, it works out pretty well.

by spankyb

What you do depends on the chain of command at your firm. If you have a powerful exec. that you report up through, you can stick to your guns. But let your VP(CIO) fight that battle. If you don't have a VP or CIO that respects the importance of your IT policy, you might as well give him his local admin rights. You're not going to win that battle, you might as well save yourself. Having said that, I would politely explain when you do this that your department will only support the "approved applications and configurations", if he gets himself into trouble with something he's done, you'll help him out as time permits.

by dkeggins

In talking with the VP, try to feel out exactly why he may need the admin rights. May it be to install software or hardware... Then edit the policies so his user account, or the power user group and set him as power user, so he can do what he needs, but still limit him in other areas so he will do less damage. I've had to do this for our sales department with WinXP. They wanted to be able to install printers while on the road so they can hook up to a printer in the hotels and print. I gave them Power User access and modifies the policies so they can install hardware on the computer. Made them happy and made my IT manager happy all at once.

by dumbuser

Sounds like the guy may be a real jerk, but still, he is the boss above you in the company, is he not?

You do not own the system, the company does. It is your job to keep things running, regardless of the stupidity of the users. I'd give him what he wants, with the proviso that if he screws it up, he may have "some down time." Of course, if he is the company's VP, you'd have to eat those words most likely.

I work in HR, and we get the same old questions from people about insurance coverage, company policy, etc., and we don't tell them, "Hey, the policy is that you should let us determine how to select your insurance and be happy with it.----We give our customers options, and we advise them of what we think best, but they are free to screw up their coverage if they so wish. And yes, if they do, then we get to fix it for them. It's all part of providing customer service.

IT must develop a customer service attitude, or it will find itself in power struggles that it cannot win, especially with senior exeuctives. (I know, been there, done that.)

by michael.obrien

I have to completely disagree with dumbuser's comments. You simply can't compare HR issues with IT issues, they aren't even close.

If a person screws up their insurance, does that impact the company? No, just that person. But if Hiro's whiney exec downloads a trojan horse or worm because he now has the "right" to do so, then brings that computer into the company, bypassing the firewalls and virus gateways, who will suffer then? The entire company, especially Hiro, the guy who gets blamed for the breach and has to clean up the mess, if he still has a job.

We had a similar case of a "rouge" user at a branch office loading "freeware" on their laptop and then bringing into work to show thier buddies how cool this game was. What he didn't see was the trojan that also got loaded. When he hooked back up to the internal network,(and most org's don't firewall office from office or anti virus) the trojan propagated throughout the enterprise in under an hour, bringing our systems to their knees. This brought our entire business to a near halt for better than 24 hours until it could be cleaned up.

How much does it cost your business to be without their computers for 24 hr's??? I work for a Teir 1 automotive supplier, computers run the entire operation. It's been calculated that we can loose as much as $10,000 per MINUTE when our systems are down. We can't ship, recieve, transmit data to our customers, recieve data from our suppliers, etc....
I aggree with everyone that says, go over this guys head to his boss and your's and make them aware of the potential negative impact to the company. Expain that your are trying to protect the company, not trying to play "God" or just being a stink, by denying this guy admin rights. Then, if this exec's boss still approves it, then ask him to sign a doc stating that you've explained the potential impacts. This will be your "get out of jail free" card when it evenutally hits the fan! And it will.

Good luck Hiro....We IT people feel your pain ;-)
MO'B

by nios

This is really a no-brainer to me. As a support person I work at the graces of the executives of my company, they are the ones that pay my salary, purchase and own the equipment that I use. It's never an IT against the executive it would be dumb to look at it in this manner. I know a lot of IT guys that think that they own the network that they manage and fight to control access and such, they tend to find themselves bested by the powers that be and giving up ultimately, of course this is after a rather large loss of face on their part. Others, don't give in and the network that they thought that they owned becomes the property of their replacement who understands that in a capitalist system that the workers do not own the means of production.
Back the data up, ghost the machine and give the guy what he wants. If he messes it up, fix it, that's your job.

by robthegeek

Been there, done that, got the old fired t-shirt... There are certainly worse things than eating a little crow now and then...the un-employment line is not a pleasant spot. I am in a position where I have 1100 clients to one support person. I explain that time is of the essence, and there is not enough time in the day to troubleshoot user caused errors. If it is not repairable in 10 minutes, it is a rebuild. If your data is not backed up on the server, I'll be back in 20 minutes. If you can't get at the data, I can have you back on your feet in about 15 minutes. Policy only governs those who will be governed. Locks only keep honest people honest. If the user 'needs' to do this, they are my 'boss' and I will do everything in my power to make their computing experience pleasurable.
I also inform them that spyware and malware is sufficient reason to rebuild.

by gsquared

If the exec is computer-literate enough, this won't work.

Try creating an "Executive Account", give it the same rights as any normal user, but the more important sounding name will make a lot of power-happy types feel like they're getting something special.

If he's educated enough to know that that's just BS, it won't work. You'll need a clarification from someone senior enough in the organization to have real policy-authority.

The top people in the place I work are the owners of the business, and if they wanted admin rights on the server, we'd give it to them. After all, they own the server, can't very well tell them no way. They're smart enough to not want that. Sounds like your guy isn't that smart.

If you do end up having to give him Admin rights, you should be able to set it up so he can only blow up his own laptop. Give him admin rights on that and regular user rights on the LAN and server - that way he can install his own spyware and trojans on his laptop, but can't put anything on the server. That's still a risk, but a lesser one than full admin rights to the whole system.

by tneukam

This whole discussion really heats me up. Over the past 30 years, I've been a user, and I've been the IT guy.

Reading between the lines, it seems to me like YOU are the "wanabe." You seem more miffed that someone who was laid off in the past is now back and in a position of power than anything else. I don't see how giving him admin rights to his local machine is going to hurt anyone. If he has any tech abilities whatsoever, he'll find the tools to give himself those rights anyway.

I really don't agree with the limitations that a lot of you folks want to put on users - JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN.

I really hope that someone in a real position of power finds out that the guy who punishes the exec by impounding his machine for 24 hours finds about it and cans his butt.

You guys ALL have to learn that the only REAL business of any business is to 1) sell things, 2) manfacture things, 3) provide a service - or some combination thereof. Like it or not IT is just a support mechanism to do the real business, not unlike the people providing any support services, secretaries, janitors, etc. Think about it, if the janitors started messing with the senior executives because they didn't like the way they threw the trash in their wastebasket, they would not last very long. You guys ALL better get a better attitude. Although there are still a lot of these folks that know very little about technology, there are also quite a few that are very savy - or they have friends and family members that are. If you like your job, you might want to choose your battles a little more carefully, and not try to be such and "IT Nazi." Worst they can do is screw up their own machine. Anyone of you that think there is a legitimate reason to restrict a user from choosing their own screen saver or color scheme is a little daft. If the janitor made you keep your chair or pencil holder in a certain prescribed place, you'd be a little miffed.

BTW - do YOU have rights to make changes to YOUR local machine???

-TN

by jay.camp

Aren't we dealing with grown-ups?

As a Senior VP he should have known the policies in place before accepting the position or at least agreed to abide by established policies. I am sure there is a way for him to get the policy changed if it is deemed necessary. That is up to him to persue.

It is your job to enforce the policies decided upon by people above your paygrade. If you get the go-ahead to allow this person admin rights, do it. If you don't get permission to allow him admin rights, don't. Tell this person you don't make the policy, you just follow what has been put down on paper. Doing this you have just covered yourself.

If the VP gets his way, give the absolute best service you can! Doing this you have just covered yourself. If the VP screws things up and can't do his job, I'm sure policy will change back.

You report to your supervisor. Take your direction from him, that's why he makes the big bucks! Your job is to just shut up and color.

by happy

The notion of IT Nazi is completely ridiculous. There are some people in smaller organizations who may want to run a power trip but in a large scale environment that is ludicrous. Sounds to me more like you are the one with the issues. The point about admin control is nothing to do with power struggles or having to ghost / flash someone's laptop, the real threat here is the installation of spyware, malware, viruses and back door software. The single greatest threat we face in our organization of over 1200 workstations is trojans/viruses. Allowing anyone to have admin rights who is not employed in a position where that type of access is REQUIRED is laughable. This senior person whomever they may be should not be permitted to put the organization at risk whatever the reason. In an organization where legal ramifications of patient data and privacy are paramount, this is not even an issue.
The rules are there to be followed.

So follow.

by Former member

Good for you. While I feel for the difficulties the original poster is having, I'm glad you brought up why IT exists in the first place; which is to service the organization.

by erich1010

However...

Make sure you develop a full project plan for how a machine like that would be implemented on the network. Include any costs required to make sure that the machine is logically separated from important data that can't be compromised. Make sure your plan includes enough time to get all of the appropriate waivers required to implement this. Also include any overhead costs for supporting this one-off machine, above normal network costs. Remember that any additional software or hardware that he puts on his machine will probably have to be vetted through normal channels. Appropriate waivers will be required for each and the software licenses will have to be included in your companies configuration management system. There will probably be other costs for special backups and restores from his machine, which should be kept separate from the production system, in case he contracts any viruses or worms.

Make sure he knows that this is required for such access and why. And make sure he knows that this item will appear in the next budget, if approved.

I worked for a government facility that required high security. One of the top heads wanted his PDA to connect to the network to download his calendar. PDA's, themselves, were usually not allowed in buildings. We came up with a solution to do that securely. I don't know if it was actually implemented, because it took long enough time to figure out that I was out of their before implementation. However, it followed policy and we went through the usual hoops to get it done. He'll have to jusify that expense to his people. Budget planning is not my job.

by regul8tr

When I faced this decision, my IT Director approved the rights. When the VP fubar'd his laptop, I caught the crap. It didn't seem to matter that he had been 'approved' by the IT director, and that I had written documentation stating he was responsible for any damage, data loss, etc. My advice is to be careful. If you have a policy in place, stick to it. If you let this one have it, then get ready for everybody to demand it.

by david.planchon

I've been supporting execs for 10+ years now in a large multinational firm, personnally I dread working with engineers more than with execs.
Most execs have too much work to fu$* around with their system; they need 100% availability and up time.
I've almost always given my execs local rights to their system, a decision made during a board of directors meeting.
Early in my career I found it more beneficial to deal with the occasional hassle of customizing each exec system than trying to make them conform with our views of security. My group and I are more worried about execs working on presentations on the laptops on a plane or an airport lounge than anything else.
Plus keeping them satisfied put you and your team in their good graces something that will take you a long way when the going gets tough.
I have a whole lot more to say about this but no time right now unfortunately.

So give them the rights, make sure that the IT director and CIO understand fully the implications of such a decision and go about your business. If it brakes fix it, if it doesn't work tweak it, if all else fails go work a group that has the same views you have.

by jgh59

I have never understood not giving admin rights on a laptop computer. Without them, how is the user supposed to cope when issues arise in the field (the actual function of a mobile computer). More than once we have had users unable to work at a remote location because an issue came up on their laptop and they were unable to fix it or have it serviced because they didn't have rights to their own PC. This happened to one engineer while visiting India. He ended up wasting the better part of a week because his laptop was down. Pretty much a waste of a $7000 trip, far more than the value of the laptop that some IT guy on a power trip wanted to control.

So my advice is chill....

by david.planchon

Yup, that's were I was going with my input as well. A laptop is designed for travelling, when I started in this field I'd get calls at 03:00 and then at 04:30 because I worked at the workd headquarters for my firm and my exec team was scattered around globe all the time. You give local admin rights so that these people can get their work done. Let's not forget who's in the driver's seat and who the mecanics are here.
We all need each other but in the end a disgrunteled VP weighs more than an admin (even a senior one)

by stomsaz

I completly agree. Too often we set our policies very strict to save ourselves time and billable hours, and end up having a negative impact the end users productivity. We sometimes make change requests so stringent that users will do anything in their power to get around us.

I would rather be known as a helpful problem solving team member than as an impediment to productivitiy for the sake of a IT department "Policy" that was imposed on the users.

by truthiness

We're hired to make good decisions that benefit the organization, not the individual. IT supports the end-user's work and productivity, not their every whim.

If an executive is willing to make you violate a company policy just because they have the power to, then they're a crappy executive, and if the company lets him get away with it, it's a crappy company. Granted, not much you can do about it except look for a different job.

by jaredh

should exec's have admin rights to their laptops or not? That is the million dollar question with no right or wrong answer. In my environment, they do have rights to their own machine. We have policies that redirect things like favorites and and my documents to a user directory on the server so if they blow up their machine, we reimage and they are automatically redirected to the servers for their data. If they avoid the redirection and loose their stuff, shame on them for breaking their machine in the first place.
Unfortunately, that is the perfect situation. Politics usually wins and we have to bend over backwords for them. We hate it, it isn't fair, but they are the ones who pay us.

by jeff

If this exec is like many where I work, they tend to have highly sensitive corporate information on their laptops. The VP must understand that the policies exist to protect that asset. If he can look at information as a business asset and understand what happens when he loses or deletes something, it might make the VP realize that it is an impact to the bottomline.

Then if they continue to persist on it, have them sign a management acceptable risk form. This form identifies the problem, risk, and consequences when security is relaxed on a policy. If they sign it, they indicate they are willing to accept the potential loss to the business.
Jeff Evenson, CISM, CISSP, MCSE

by wwwebster

Dude,
You're getting a lot of good advice here (some, maybe not so good depending on the 'culture' of your workplace). However...
You mentioned your boss, suggesting there is someone higher up the ladder than you who has a stake in the outcome of this little roundabout. I think the safest thing in situations like this is to defer to that person and let them decide how to proceed. If the existing policy is there's, they're not ganna appreciate you making an exception they are opposed to, and there is someone else, with greater authority than your self who can make the call, and therefore ultimately take the heat of any fallout (and there WILL be fallout - perhaps only an increased support workload, but fallout nonetheless).

Just me $0.02 worth. Good luck with your new headache, er, I mean VP.

by coldbrew

Our Tech dept fought that same battle. All the brass got what they wanted and we got stuck fixing it. We fixed it but sort of picked and choose who to make examples of. Trying to explain IT to non IT execs is like standing knee deep in gasoline juggling road flares.

by tampa hillbilly

What you have is a no-win scenario. Fired for challenging the Execs, or fired for violating documented policy. Even if you win against the Exec, the rest will resent you and your career will be limited. I say... Have your boss say you must have all requests that change company policy in writing, and then give Exec what he wants. That the Exec gets to make an exec decision (policy change) and you get CYA.

by zmanisin

In the firms I've worked for over the last 10 years, laptops were either used for (among other things) remote connectivity or attaching to the network when the user was in the office (regardless of whether he/she also had a desktop pc.

In those cases, there were 3 policies at issue, internal 'computer use' standards, network security and remote connectivity guidelines.

Have your boss simplify the issue up his chain of command, as a "bottom-line" issue, which is all it ever really is at the top of the chain: If your VP doesn't do either of the two things I mentioned, above, its a question of the cost of potential IT services (additional maintenance, reconfiguration, reinstallation, etc.) vs. the potential added value of his productivity.

If he does connect to your network with the laptop, a laptop on which he hopes to have the freedom to install anything he wants, he puts your whole network at risk from viruses, bots, etc., and you should be able to have the issue quashed from above him, based on the potential loss of business. (Standard "best practice" when a virus hits the network, is to detach everyone from it until the issue is resolved, vvirtually or potentially stopping business for a day: What's that worth to your firm).

If the VP connects remotely, the issue is whether your remote connectivity is set up securely enough to ensure - and I mean ENSURE - protection of your network. If it is, we're back to the same issue of potential IT expense vs. VP's potential productivity.

If your remote connectivity isn't fully secured - shame on you; your fault.

Take it from a Computer Operations Manager: Policy should be adhered to...but it IS a bottom line issue, no matter how much IT wants it to be finite. Its the potential cost of the risk & recovery vs. the potential gain, pure and simple.

by isaudit

One piece of information that is missing or I just missed it is whether the laptop is going to be attached to the network other than through a VPN or other external access (DSL, Cable). If not, give the Exec local admin rights to the laptop. Have him sign a document stating that any software added to the laptop will not be supported by the company and he will be held liable for licensing violations.

If the laptop will be attached to the network you have to stick to your policy. You can still give him local admin rights, with the condition that the laptop will be blocked from accessing the network. Reguardless of some of the other comments posted here, you have a responsibility to protect the assets of the company. If your company has an Audit Department, have your boss meet with them since they should have direct access up the food chain.

It seems to me that the VP is on a power trip from being called back to the company after being laid off two years ago.

by dan-hyde

We have the same issues at the university I work at. We have created a form that the user needs to sign. The form states that the user becomes responsible for administration of that laptop.
If the machine becomes compromised,it will be blocked from the network. IT will only offer limited software/hardware assistance in case of problems and this normally ends with rebuilding the machine and possible loss of data. The end user also becomes legally responsible for installed software and the laptop is subject to audits for unlicensed software. The bottom line is if they insist on admin rights, they are on their own. When someone with admin rights has a problem, they are always at the bottom of the queue.

by buschman_007

If you turn this fight into you against him, then if he gets his way and doesn't screw up your IT policy looks like fluff. If you are supportive, don't take it personally, and just advice of the "potential danger" then you can't be wrong. Document everything to prove how right you are ;)

Mike

by bentley

I go one step further and set up three partitions:

1.) Default 2K/XP with full local Admin rights
2.) Alternate 2K/XP with only User rights
3.) Data partition (move My Documents and email files to here)

I use System Commander to isolate and protect the boot files.

If the user screws up the default system he can reboot to the alternate and continue working until I have time to correct the problem. The only problem I've run into is training them to not store files on the desktop (but one system failure usually corrects that situation).

by rob.mangus

In my whole life I have never been able to control anyone. The closest one can come to control is to create an environment where the other person is willing to go along. When you have that issue resolved then you can work with people. Until then policies are just writing and only mean what the boss says they mean.

A little pain on the exec's part will provide a substantial lesson and you the opportunity to shine as the person who "bailed them out".

by rnickolaus

No way. This has nothing to do with rank; it is policy. Here's a couple arguments.

1) If something goes wrong, this individual is not responsible per his job description. Whomever is responsible for consequences is also responsible for policies. It would be possible for the individual to accidently load software that could affect your network, data security, other users, productivity, etc. The IT staff that has prepared to deal with those issues have a responsibility to everyone.

2) The individual wouldn't ask to have unlimited access to the checking account overruling a financial staff member would they? Why would this be any different. It is company assets.

I do agree that executives should be given preferred treatment and possibly access to additional tools and documents (especially software) in order to do their jobs. IT is a support department. The second IT hinders rather than helps the company as a whole, it has failed it's role.

by tired-tech

I work for a large major corp who found that having users (Including execs) put in writting the business reason they feel that they should have admin rights on thier systems. This has to pass by 3 people in the "food chain" before it can be done.
As a memeber of the executive support team and at thier "beckon call" 24/7.
Reminding him that policies are for everybody including execs (they made the policy, are they above it ?) and that he may ask your head IT guy to have you give him admin rights takes you out of the loop
Your just doing your job. (good compny man following direction given)

by sonicclang

I work at a pharmaceutical company. Over the last couple years we've been working towards being more secure, both with phisical security and network security. We're under strict guidlines by the FDA and DEA that only certain people can have access to certain areas of the facility. We moved our servers into a VERY secure room that only a small handfull of people can enter. When it came time to talk network security with the owner of our company he told me he wanted it just as strict as our facility security. He told me outright that he doesn't want to know the admin password. He doesn't even want access to the server room. Afterall, the computer with the facility security software is in that room, he wouldn't want to be accused of changing his access rights. Plus he completely understands that it doesn't take much to completely hose a computer, so why would he want full control over his computer?

I wish ALL bosses were as easy to work with as mine. I thik a lot of people's lives would be a lot easier. My boss knows where he stands, he doesn't need to go on a power trip.