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I received several emails from peers after my spotlight, thanking me for baring my soul, so to speak, in addition to letting me know that I was not alone.

A long time friend of mine, one with whom I once shared an addiction, has recently killed herself.

In light of both of the above, I find myself in need of speaking to addiction, particularly with a view to recovery.

My friend has been in and out of recovery for as many years as I have been recovering. What is the difference between us? Why am I still clean, and why is she now dead in her addiction? Several things come plainly to mind.

I recover daily. She thought recovery a one-time thing.

I see, and accept, ?reality? for what it is, too often painful and unfair. Further, somehow, somewhen, I acquired the necessary tools for adequately dealing with pain and unfairness, both that which life dishes out in the now, and that which I carry/carried as baggage. The brief note she left informs me that she did not.

For anyone in recovery who reads this, learn to recover daily. Recognize and accept that once addicted, we are addicted until death. Recognize, and accept that ?reality? is far from fair, and often painful. It is also delicious in its other moments. See that, too. Savor the delicious moments. Give yourself something to lean on in moments of overbearing pain and weakness. If you haven?t the necessary tools for managing pain and baggage, do what you need to do, find who you need to find, go where you need to go to find and implement them in your life.

Do not engage in this particular battle alone, as my friend did ? in spite of those who loved her, and shared her pain. Find shoulders, others who recover daily with whom to fellowship.

The above is wholly inadequate to how I feel. Hopefully, it is help to someone, somewhere.

RIP, my friend.

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by oz_media

My only response is some people are able to deal with their problems as they find more important things to focus their lives on, some are no so fortunate or just never find that avenue they seek. This is also why I feel gateway drugs are gateway drugs. I don' tactually believe that starting one drug recreationally will mean you will become a drug users of heavier substances.

HOWEVER, people who seek drugs to escape find themselves needing stronger and stronger driugs to escape as they become used ot the effects and find less relief.

Personal: I have had a few additctions, smoked pot for years as a teen but that wasn't addictive, did a lot of acid/LSD in high school (when it was still good)and also got into a couple of the most addictive drugs around, I did freebase a lot of coke in the 80's but never go into crack (poor man's base/coke). I did MDA (which is now considered cocaine, which is such low grade crap it isn't worth the time or effort, even the people claiming it is pure have no idea what PURE flake used to be like)I got into coke twice, once when working on tour with a band, almost inevitable and once when I was making good money and hanging out with very successful and rich entrepreneurs who could afford teh habit and seemed to have it to a point where they could control intake and just keep a glow going instead of being too wrecked to get anything done. BOTH times I am happy to sya that I was VERY lucky to get out wihle I did and get out alive. most people are nto so lucky, funny enough I just can't kick smoking cigars though, grrrrrrr!

I have had several friends die from drugs, one who suffered a near fatal heart attack while we were all basing in his bedroom. that was a buzz when we were all at the hospital!

I thonk it is really completely up to the person to decide when they have had enough. Unfortunately some people don't escape and end up takign or losing their lives ,which is really just sad as we do have teh resources to help people IF we can get them to use the resources.

As for 12 step programs, they are all crap. They simply work for those people who WANT them to work and for everyone else, it's a waste of time. th epart that bugs me about 12 steps, especially AA for example, is the first thing you have to do is believe in God or in other programs HAVE FAITH in a higher spirit. now the first example is actually a breach of Constitutional rights. AA is a government supported and recommended program, even many employers suggest using it. But since when are the government allowed to recommend and support a religious affiliation? Why should my employer force me to find faith in his God in order to stay employed?

for this reason and many others, I don't buy into 12 step programs at all, I think if someone wants to quit they will. If a support group is what you need to keep your spirits up (no pun intended)then perhaps it is for you, but the government and employers should not make you attend as an ultimatum to prison or being fired, though the employer can be biased and the government cannot.

I am sorry for your loss, no you will never really make sense of it but you can learn to accept it as an inevitable way out of the pain she was not able to endure, I've had it close to me too.

Just e strong yourself and don't give up. Every time I schmooez with rich friends they always offer me a line or two to lighten the mood, which I now turn down but I had to physically leave the room before. I don't drink much anymore, hard alcohol especially because I saw what it did ot my father. My father went from being a man with many trades skills and qualifications, great paying jobs and was a great father into being a drunk. Sure he still worked and still had his skillset, but he was still a pisstank as soon as he left the shop. Unfortunately my mother caught the hsort end of that stick one night and we left right there and then. Mom's a trooper that doesn't take that no matter what is said later.

But she's better off, from what I hear he has his life together now, I am better off, my whole family worked out just fine, or as fine as any screwed up group of kinfolk can be.

It's what we learn as we move forward that makes us stronger, reflection and remebrance is great, just don't forget to keep looking forward as you go.

by ontheropes

I'm still not 'right' or 'normal' whatever that may be. I say that 'normal' is a setting on a clothes dryer.

Would I recommend AA to people today? Yes. I also recommend professional help, psychiatrists and psychologists. There's some truth that pharmaceuticals may be necessary to improve the quality of one's life.

I say do whatever it takes, regardless of what anyone else thinks. No one is living inside of my skin besides me. No one else can say what it feels like to be me. No one else can say what it feels like to be anyone else besides themselves.

I hate sympathy. Hate it. I don't believe I've ever wanted anyone to say that I got a raw deal. Life is what it is and I do what I can to make the best of it. It might not be what someone else can do but it's what I can do. Screw what anyone else thinks.

I quit drinking last Thanksgiving and knowing what I know about myself now I've got to say that I don't consider myself an alcoholic and I sure as hell am not going to anymore meetings. Do they serve their purpose? Yes. People who are addicted to booze, in their own minds, can quit drinking by going to AA so I don't discourage folks from trying to find peace where ever it may be.

Personally, I go to therapy, see a shrink. I've said that before and will likely say it again. Professional help can be invaluable and there is an entire mental health community that is ready, willing and able to help those who've reached bottom. But, it's never a sure thing.

Who's to tell which person will benefit from which treatment? You tell me. I know you can't so don't worry.

All avenues to sobriety and sanity should be talked about more often without shame. That's one of the biggest things I don't like about AA. If it's 'okay' to be a recovering alcoholic why does it have to be a freaking secret? Why keep on perpetuating the myth that society is only fit for those who are 'perfect'? Screw that whole idea.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

I guess she couldn't find anything to look forward to. There, I think is the trick.

by oz_media

The most important one is actually liking yourself and being happy with who you are and the skin you're in.

If you feel you need to be who you are expected to be, you will end up feeling you have failed.

I had friend who decided to cash in his chips a few months after making his first 2 million and starting a successful company, after living a horribly repressive childhood.

He just never liked himself, no matter how much we all enjoyed having him around. There were much deeper rooted issues but it was still a tragic ending to a really brilliant persons life.

I definitely feel for your loss and can appreciate that there just arent answers to your questions. But it gets easier to remember as time passes and the memories become fond again.

by willcomp

"AA is a government supported and recommended program" --- While AA and NA may be recommended and/or forced by the judicial system, they are not government funded. AA and NA are self sufficient and do not accept outside funding.

And yes, 12 step programs only work for those who want them to work but the same is true of treatment centers and other professional help. If one has no driving desire to get clean and sober, they won't. There's no magic bullet.

I'm a firm believer in 12 step programs, particularly AA, from personal experience. As we say, go to Church to save your soul, go to AA to save your a$$.

by oz_media

I just finished watching a report on TV last week that dispells that "self sufficient support group" they keep trying to pass themselves off as. The reason the show was made is because they get government funding and promote religion in the ranks, which we all know is a no-no.

It was dug up and documented shpwing that they recive millions in government support each year, free advertising, free communications etc. The list of government handouts was endless and some office/branche/group councillors were completely farcical, barely offering any AA support at all and living lavish lives instead.

Self funded organization my ass.

We get the same here though, a once Crown Corporation, BC Transit, went private a few years back, West Coast Translink. Since that time they have been getting government handouts in the tens and hundred of millions and now even get a portion of gasoline sales as a fuel tax awarded to them, and they are a PRIVATE and self sufficient company. they even took over BC Ferries and raised those rates on a whim. Now at just under $100.00 for a driver and normal car to cross the 28 measely miles in 1hr 45 mins.

There are a lot of seemingly innocent companies getting away with such BS all the time; For example, did you know that the average SPCA thrift shop actually donates less to the SPCA each yeat than many single home owners?

In order to be licenced as an SPCA thrift store you only have to donate a small portion of you annual revenue, (was around 4% a few years back)to a maximum of around $1500.00/yr (in Canada). That's a little more than $100/month.

So what happens to all the other thousands they take in? Personal bank account.

Its a scam to prey on those who love pets and want to support the SPCA.

Your best bet is to just do what I do and donate directly to the local animal shelter. I also do a few bags of food here and there, some blankets etc., when I have them to give away.

Many of these scams are daily issues that we support as they scam us right under our noses, but nobody questions such a good name and such a good cause.

AA meetings sit right beside evangelists in my world, not very high on the ladder.

the people that it works for are generally the same people who are simply ready to quit and with the support of just a few friends can do so without endless meetings and faith healing. And what happens if you are not religious? AA can't help you if you don't have faith and spirituality for them to focus you on.

If you are not ready to quit, AA doesn't work, if you ARE ready to quit, almost ANYTHING will work. So does AA work? Of course it does, for those who WANT to quit, but so do many other avenues.

by ontheropes

My thoughts are with you. I'd like to say more but I'm at a loss for the proper words.

Take care.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

Sometimes words fail. Just the way it is. God knows I could use a lesson or two in how to wield them properly. (Though I doubt that would help much in times like these.)

by av .

Thats terrible news about your friend, Boxy.

Some people are very troubled and instead of seeking help, they just retreat into their very dark world. I've known several people in my life that were addicted to drugs or alcohol over the years and some of them were just unreachable. Hooked for life. Its very sad to watch someone go through that and not be able to help them. They really need to reach out for help, but they don't. In the end, there really isn't anything you can say or do to save someone from themselves. They have to do it. Just like you did.

AV

by jdclyde

Never easy to lose someone we care about.

When it is something we see as "meaningless" it is impossible to wrap our minds around it.

Good luck Boxie, I wish you well.

jd

by Tammy.Cavadias

I really don't know why some can "recover" per se, and others don't.

I do believe a large part of it is a support system - having someone you can call who'll be there for you during them times when your struggling. I have seen several of my friends struggle over the years but refuse help/support as they view it as a sign of weakness in themselves.

I myself have never been addicted though I did go through a faze 20 yrs ago where I went on a drinking binge for 6 months straight. For me it was a way to cope for a little while. A good friend of mine kicked me in the butt and showed me a better outlet as it could have very well lead to a long term addiction.

Boxy, may your friend Rest in peace.

-Tammy :-)

EDIT: As I escaped to the bath tub for a couple hours, I had to slap my head I'm such a ding dong - I do have an addiction of sorts that I've struggled with over the years - I'm an on and off again smoker - I quit for several months - then start back up for a few months, then back off for several months then back on again - tho0ugh over the years I have noticed each time the stretches of being off have gotten longer and longer.

by gadgetgirl

she coped with her problems by addiction. Then the addiction became the problem.

How do you cope, when you're coping mechanism is the problem?

I still smoke.

But I'm still working on it.

I'm here Boxy. You've got the contact details. Mail me anytime. I'm a good listener.

Virtual support hugs heading your way.

GG

by bizzo

A few years ago a friend of mine died through alcohol.

We tried to get him to ease up on the drinking, or go and get some help, but he never considered himself as having a problem.

He ended up drinking all his money, he had to sell his house and move to a rented flat. He wouldn't tell us where.

It ended up that no-one saw him for a few days, until one of his neighbours got into his flat to look for him, and found him on the couch. He died alone, surrounded by empty brandy bottles.

I wish I could have done more, but would it have helped in this situation?

I don't know.

I still miss him.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

it makes no difference. Those we want to help have to want help.
I have missed her for some time, I guess I'll keep doing that.
Thanks.

by cmiller5400

[i]Do not stand by my grave and weep
I am not there. I do not sleep
I am a thousand winds that blow
I am a diamond glint on snow
I am the sunlight on ripened grain
I am the gentle autumn rain.

When you awake in the morning bush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circling flight
I am the soft starshine at night
Do not stand by my grave and cry
I am not there... I did not die.[/i]

~ Anonymous

by cmiller5400

My Grandparents found it somewhere and thought it was a great way to end their funeral. They planned and paid for every aspect of their death so that no one had to worry about anything when the time came; that way they figured it would be less of a burden on us.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

I used to have a hard copy of that, but lost track of it. C&P, and I've got another copy. I appreciate that very much.

by oz_media

It seems I attend more send offs (I don't do funerals my friends and family just celebrate people's lives instead) these days as my friends all start to age and more and mroe people I know pass on.

I have been asked to say words on several occasions and this poem is one that always says what is right as long as they aren't too religious. I actually don't even know anybody that is very religious these days.

by router boy

boxy... I know your pain very well. Recovery is a tough road and unfortunately not everyone gets it that needs it.
I have lost many friends to addiction while I have been in recovery and it doesnt get any easier. One of my biggest problems was I kept a wall up to keep people from getting close when I used. As I got sober I slowly let that wall down and let people in. It really sucked the first time I had to feel that pain of losing someone and having to feel all the emotions associated with it sucked. Thankfully I did not drink.
All I have is a daily reprieve from my addiction and in order to keep it I have to put some work in each day. If you need someone to talk to I am here.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

That wall. I want to rebuild that thing everyday. It's a fight and a half to keep it down. I don't even want to stop to count the number of friends I have lost over the last 20 some years to one addiction or another.

Thank you, for sharing.

by captbilly1eye

Having lost several good friends over the past few years due to all kinds of circumstances, it's always most tragic when you have a sense it could have been avoided.
Perhaps others can follow in your strength.
Let's hope.

by michael jay

A very close high school friend of mine, Rick, was a very wonderful guy in high school but as time went by after leaving high school he moved into drugs.

At first it looked like he was doing the drugs and the drugs were not doing him but that changed.

As the years went by he went into truly a death spiral, in and out of rehab and jail. It so broke my heart, but I was helpless to help him. He would get straight then dive back to the needle.

So sad to see, he did not actually kill himself but he did, with drugs, his body just could not stand up to the abuse any more and he died of liver failure.

He was my friend and I cared for him. Sometimes I regret that I may not have done all that I could to help him. I say to myself what if...

He has been gone for many years, still I think of him and always try to remember him as he was in high school, strong and upbeat. Just a fine young man with a bright future..

It was somewhere round 1969 to 1971 that he gave me my nickname "Michael Jay". Happy times remembered.

My best to you Boxy if you need to talk I am here.

Mike.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

What if can be a pleasant distraction, but maybe that's part of the problem.
I know where to find you. ;)

by michael jay

Part of the problem is not taking the action that needs to be taken, I was young and stupid.

If I had a good friend now going down the path to destruction I believe that I would have the strength of character to kick their ass and tell them NO, I will not let you destroy yourself, stand by them and help them every step of the way.

Do not want to be in a position again to say what if..

by tink!

I haven't listened to your spotlight yet - it's on disk 3 and I'm still on disk 1. But with the above post, I must say that my heart goes out to you. Loss is never easy. Especially when you've shared things that no one else has. It's as if a piece of you goes as well.

I read your post after Tig's so I'm a bit out of inspiration. But here is a poem written by someone close to me that I hope brings a sparkle of light to your dark time.
Tink

[i]Our lives are filled with mountains
Some are big and some are small
To live the most fruitful life
We must conquer them all
Often we try to climb the slope
But slip and fall back down
We may wallow in self pity
And carry ourselves with a frown
But we must try again and again
To reach the mountain?s crown
If we don?t get across the mountain
And reach the valley next
We?ll never get anywhere in life
Or become our very best
The mountains each range in height
The valleys each range in depth
We beam with pride on top of the peaks
But in the lowest valleys we?re bereft
Lost in the valley?s dark shadows
Many valleys though, are not that deep
And are wide flat meadows of grass
For life often has uneventful points
Through these we travel easy and fast
Some people seem to have shortcuts
Their mountains have quick tunnels
But beware if you find these caves
Yours could be a dark and twisted funnel
For not every tunnel is a shortcut
Some are just a winding maze
Making you lost within your mountain
Until you can find your way through the haze
Even they who seem to have it easy
Have their own mountains to climb
Even if now they are in a wide valley
The next mountain is only a matter of time
Life is not just a walk down a path
It is an adventure filled with tribulations
But we become better people for them
And we mustn?t overlook every jubilation
We have our many ups
We have our many downs
Despite every trial we have
The joys of life abound.
-- KO [/i]

by boxfiddler Hot topic

don't take this the wrong way, but that's about the best thing you could have said about now. :D

Add another bit of poetry to the mix, and it's perfect.
Thanks Tink!

by boxfiddler Hot topic

We're all young and stupid sometimes, some of us dwell in it, some don't.

What if keeps your 'guilt' alive. Let it go.

by michael jay

I don't believe I feel guilt, just think that there was more I could do.

More likely than not no mater what I had done I would not have been able to control the actions of another.

People will do what they want to do regardless of what other try to do for them.

And perhaps they go even farther in their self destructive ways if you try to help them.

by willcomp

Oz, you're still way off the mark. Sorry I don't put your remembrances of some TV show that probably had an ax to grind over personal experience.

Most AA members are religious but I've seen atheists get sober and stay sober. The support group is what matters, not one's religious beliefs.

If drying out and wanting to quit are adequate, why does every treatment center I know about recommend aftercare and regular AA or NA meeting attendance?

I won't debate it any further. Worked for me and I've been sober quite a while.

by oz_media

I haven't said AA doesn't work.

Two issues i have are;
1) They do promote religion (the online information on the 12 steps alone will show that. That is fine for a completely privately funded organization, but not one that receives tax payers money.

2) I don't think the courts or employers should be able to force the AA ultimatum. That again is a court ruling you to attend something that promotes religious faith.

3)the 90 meetings in 90 days concept to attend as many as you can, not as many as you feel you need (several friends have done and do it now), becomes an addiction in itself. People become addicted to sitting and sharing stories of sobriety instead of enjoy life.

Get help if you feel you need help, have faith in religion if you want to have faith in religion, it is all good for some people.
It is unconstitutional to force that upon someone though.

I'll concede that AA is also one of the most upstanding of the 12 step programs out there others receive huge amounts of government funding and also preach religious faith to members and shun those who question the need for such faith or regular meetings. I also respect that not all AA meeting groups are the same and some are worse than others.

by jellimonsta

If one is an Atheist, does that not make those 12 steps all the easier? :p ;\ Therefore, is it worth raising issue with? I know other 12 step programs have ammended the verbiage to remove specific religious context.
I have never been to an AA meeting, or followed any 12 steps as I do not drink, so don't really see the point. I am also admittedly a Christian, so I should probably just stay out of this.
*Shutting up now*

:p :D

by willcomp

Those of us in recovery see it way too often. It is painful to lose anyone and even more so for those you are close to. What hurts the most is the pain you feel because you couldn't help them overcome their personal demons.

I can't always express myself as well as I'd like, but know that I'm here and I do sympathize with you.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

And thanks for your good words, above. Had she not tried to go it alone, she might still be with us.
The worst of that is she didn't learn she couldn't.

by jellimonsta

I am sorry for your loss Boxie. Also, I apologize for the tardy response.
You, and your friend, will be in my thoughts and prayers (I am unfortunately saying that way more than I would like to just lately). :(

by boxfiddler Hot topic

Way more just lately.
Yeah. Another price for passage through time.

I have a neighbor who is 94, still living at home, pretty alone in life. Her family is gone, her friends are mostly gone. I can't imagine how lonely she must be. She rattles my ears off when she gets the chance! She probably will live to be 100. I wonder what she has to say in answer to that question?

etu

by jellimonsta

I think some of it has to do with outlook on life. Your 94 year old neighbor could either be much less, or even more lonely than you thought.
One can be surrounded by family, friends and loved ones, and still be incredibly lonely. :(

by delbertpgh

Back when my best friends were all druggies, and getting high seemed like the coolest ambition ever, I became aware that a lot of them were slipping over an edge. Some people would get into the life for a while, look around, and go do something else, because it was time to move on; other people would just sink deeper in. For some, the lifestyle was the addiction, and for others, the drugs themselves were just overwhelming.

I honestly don't know where people on a losing streak find the nerve to dump everything they live for and stop losing. It seems obvious to people who've never been there that walking away from dope makes sense, but what do they walk toward? Once one starts living the life of a straight phony, which is probably the point of view that got one into the dope life in the first place, how does one keep finding new motivation? I guess I stayed out of real trouble because I set a line I wouldn't cross, and because I thought it was always possible to live a real life with real goals. That sort of outlook is like a gift from God, or something; and if you don't have it, you're likely to get lost.

Sorry about your friend. Good luck to you.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

for sharing your thoughts, and the kind words. Outlook and motivation, definitely hard to find and keep for many of us.

by boxfiddler Hot topic

[i]One can be surrounded by family, friends and loved ones, and still be incredibly lonely.[/i]

by oz_media

I was born into the Churche of England, but i am not a practicing Christian. I live my life by many of the Christian values but I do not believe in the bible nor do I attend church sermons other than the odd special occasion.

My problem is not with religion but with the government mandating that people attend a support group which uses religious faith to instill their values and hope upon others, as outlined by our civil rights.

If you are religious and that hope wil help you kick a habit, that's fantastic and I am all for it. Just don't tell me I have to go and believe or face jail.

YOU are right many other groups have changed the verbage used, but they still all push faith in a higher power and they don't focus enough on the mental asspects/issues that made the person an addict to begin with.

by oz_media

...if that was a tongue in cheek shot at religion or not, I guess I missed your point.

I meant internal issues like poor childhood, physical or mental abuse, low self esteem and driving a hot-rod Lincoln as being the things that drive people to drinking. But I can see the 'festival of light' driving me that way too.

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