Software
** Hypothetical situation **
I would like to access a particular web content however this content is not accessible by anyone in my current region/country.
What is the best method of getting around this restriction ?
by jdclyde
If the content is illegal, you will get no help here.
If it is content that is legal, but blocked because you are at work, you will get no help here.
If you care to say what and where the content is that your looking for, we can help you out, as long as it doesn't violate the first two rules.
by jdclyde
Listen up, Mr. Assclown. For all your crying, you never bothered to answer my questions, that would be required in order of ANYONE here to be able to help you.
As for qualifying your questions, yes, you do have to. When you walk into a room with your dick in your hand begging for something for nothing, it is YOU that needs to appease the Gods of IT. We owe the miserable likes of you nothing.
From your refusal to answer my questions it is clear that you ARE not behaving in good faith and seeking to do something you know full well you should not be doing.
Cry all you want, but it is you that came here wanting something, and it is you that is leaving here without the knowledge to break whatever rules/laws it is that keeps you from accessing the content you desire.
If that is a little hard for you to understand, let me try this in a way that you WILL understand.
Piss off you little corner wanking twit.
Have a nice day.
by plipo
by w2ktechman
by plipo
Your arrogance is quiet repelling, I have no immediate intentions to learn network security. If you had taken the time to look at the tags accompanying this question; you would have noticed that I have some concept of what is required to solve this issue.
In future, please keep your redundant replies to yourself.
for an answer do you?
ok, ok, it has something to do with changing settings on your system... Does that help?
solve on!
You have some concept of what to do - so give it ago. Meanwhile the relevant authorities no doubt have picked up on your forum postings, monitoring you and are getting your details from TR as I type.
Solve on!
by ontheropes
:^0
Oh, I am arrogant as well, please do not forget this :^0
by plipo
I if you have nothing constructive to say; why do you waste your time ?
If you want to appear witty; you could at least put some effort into.
I am aware that posts such as your which are bereft of imagination or abstract thought might impress some people but playing to the hackneyed hordes does nothing but highlight your mediocrity.
by ontheropes
by maecuff
Are you both encouragable, or incorrigable?
Either way, you are NOT going to impress plimpo. He's impressed by independent thought. I read that in one of his posts. And all I could think was, Oh My God! PLEASE give me an independent thought, because I do so want to impress plimpo.
by ontheropes
by cmiller5400
He asked if you could reveal what site it is you are trying to access. That would help us try to guide you.
Oh, and another thing; expect some remarks if you are trying to bypass security that has been put into place.
EDIT: This topic that you started should have been posted as a question thread not a discussion thread.
by jdclyde
You pose a supposedly hypothetical question that suggests intent for black-hat hacking and then are quite evasive when others ask for details to make sure that you are not seeking to do anything illegal.
If you want an answer, then provide us with more details that demonstrate that you are not attempting to use this information for illegal or ilicit purposes.
by tig2
Both these guys have been around here a long time. They
have a certain level of "cred" here.
Being nasty isn't going to get you what you are looking
for. No one owes you anything.
I DID read the tags. If you are trying to reach a blocked
torrent, you may well be out of luck. I believe that the UK
ISPs agreed to block them and I don't know that you are
going to get around that easily as your bit stream will go
through the ISP doing the blocking.
by plipo
Why are people on this forum so quick to party themselves with knee jerk assumptions.
The question I posed, I expected; might be of grave concern to anyone regardless of their competence with Information technology.
I would expect any rational, open minded person to give this question the credence which it deserves, especially in light of the current political climate.
People all over the world have to battle daily with denial of access to internet resources which we in the Western World take for granted and would class as well within our rights to access but other non democratic governments would class as illegal if any of their citizens were to try to obtain access such resources.
I asked the question with the intention of furthering my understanding of what different methods are used to obtain information that people in First World countries access to everyday but others in less liberal countries have difficulty gaining access.
If my intentions were to access torrents or gained access to a network which I have no legal or moral right to; I certainly would not have asked this question here.
I would have asked the question in forum that encourages this type of exploit, which there are many and I would not have asked the question so blatantly.
When I joined this forum; I expected participating in the forum would broaden my knowledge not be confronted by narrow minded, petty posts.
by bizzo
You're the one that wants an answer.
The assumptions people made that you are trying to do something illegal, like get around some security your country, company, ISP, mother has in place. Hence their comments. You denied it was illegal.
Then you co on to say that you're interested in how to access material from a site in a country where it is illegal to access that site. Contradiction maybe? So it seems their "kneejerk" reactions were correct.
And then you go and diss Tig! Bad move.
A word to the wise:
_______________
For future reference
U should realise that
Constantly complaining about people's
Knowledge will get you nowhere.
On the other hand, again
For reference,
Forum posts are open
Judging people solely on their responses
Even though it riles you could
Render your further quenstions unanswered.
Knowledge is power.
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If the above makes no sense, read it down.
by cmiller5400
In your statements, you ask how they get around these mechanisms, there are a few ways, I think Bizzo mentioned a few. Proxy servers are another way (those may be blocked as well).
But the fact still remains... It is illegal to access the content for what ever reason; so, whether or not you, or anyone else agrees with how the country censors it's data or news, they could throw you in jail or whatever the punishment is for accessing it.
by tig2
You would likely have received different responses. I can't
speak for anyone else here, but my crystal ball broke ages
ago.
The word"tor" sent my thinking down the path of torrent
sites as there is a great deal of legal content available on
such sites and it seemed to be a reasonable assumption.
Ranting at me, or anyone else here because we failed to
read your mind doesn't mean that your demands are
reasonable. In fact, it confirms to me that they aren't.
If you have a question, please ask it and provide any
background or history that may be helpful to the people
who are trying to answer it. Keep in mind that people
responding do so on their own time.
From your original post:
"What is the best method of getting around this restriction ?"
Questions like this give the membership the impression that you are interested in bypassing security measures. Many TR members get paid to put such restrictions in place, and to enforce them; we're not going to post how to bypass them in a public forum. It doesn't help that you're a new member with no history on this site. By posing such a question as one of your first posts, you're sending the message that you're interested in cracking systems. That may not be what you're after, but that's the impression you've given. Your failure to reveal any details such as the sites you want to access also makes you look suspicious. By responding to silly posts, you send two more messages: that you're so new to forums that you don't know to ignore nonsense and wait for the worthwhile ones, and that you didn't lurk here long enough to determine that your question would be unwelcome.
"I would expect any rational, open minded person to give this question the credence which it deserves, especially in light of the current political climate."
In light of the amount of cracking and system exploitation, your question receive the answers it deserved.
"If my intentions were to access torrents or gained access to a network which I have no legal or moral right to; I certainly would not have asked this question here."
Dude, questions like this one get asked here by new members on a daily basis. How are we to tell your intent from your original question? We can't.
"When I joined this forum; I expected participating in the forum would broaden my knowledge not be confronted by narrow minded, petty posts."
Then learn to pose better questions, with more details, a relevant Title, and your motives for seeking information. If you post a narrow petty question, expect narrow petty answers. Ask intelligent questions (using the Questions forum, not Discussions) and you'll get intelligent answers.
Oh, and you sure are getting upset about a "hypothetical situation".
by bizzo
Find a country that the site is not blocked from. Contact someone from that country and have them give you remote access to their machine. RDP to it from the UK. And then look at the site remotely from the non-UK machine.
Alternatively, purchase a dial-up account from a country that allows access to the blocked site, and dial up to that ISP.
by gadgetgirl
copied, pasted and securely stashed for future reference....
not to mention use!
cheers, Biz! :^0
GG
LOL!
I love that! Brilliant!
by bizzo
PlipO, disses Tig!
His questions answered no more,
PlipO must leave now.
by cmiller5400
by plipo
Please read my last post again, you seem to have difficulty with the definitions to some of the words I used.
If you engage your brain and apply some common sense thinking to my last post; you might realise there are issues I alluded to that you have failed to grasp.
If anyone is offended by frank yet moderate language; I do not give a damn. I am not here to score points or cosy up to anyone. Reputation nor status do not impress me but independent thought does.
by bizzo
... I'm a vampire!!
A little limerick for you:
There once was a poster called PlipO
He questions, then argues! Oh no!
He leaves now, unanswered
That must make him so sad
At this point poor PlipO must go
I gave you a serious answer originally, maybe you should read and comment on that one. I don't think you'll get any more help here.
I don't need to impress anyone here, nor does anyone else.
We are now laughing at you.
by bizzo
How is this situation ironic??? Please explain.
And why did you PM me a message like that instead of just posting your usual put-downs in the forum? Posting stuff in a forum makes it public, and a lot of it is light hearted. If you'd have been here for longer that a couple of weeks you would have realised that. You would have also realised that instead of putting-down the people who originally answered your forum post were just asking why. You could have answered them in a civil way, giving them the information you required, but no, you started this flame. I can generally brush off public posts when they're putting me down, often I joke about about. Often I apologise when I realise I'm in the wrong. Sending me a personal message however makes it just that, personal.
You keep telling people to "think before they post", maybe that's where the irony lies, you don't.
If anyone is interested, this is message I got from him:
One of your fellow TechRepublic members has sent you a private message:
From: PlipO
Subject: I'll decline your offer.
Message:
Is that the best your intelect can muster.
Please think before, you comment.
TechRepublic is a good resource for information and I will not leave.
Do you realise the irony of this situation, you might if you apply some thought to my posts.
by jdclyde
by plipo
I should not need to qualify most questions.
This is an Information Technology forum and I expected the reponses to be geared more to exploring the technological implications of the core of my question rather than glib unconsidered replies.
I enjoy a rant more than most and find that it allows me to clear my mind, feel invigorated and percieve the world in a better light however I would not class my prior comments as rants. They were focused on addressing each assertion that was levelled at me.
The legallity implications
I do not shy away from addressing the potential and real legality issues this question provokes.
The legal ramifications of accessing networks that are restricted; are not concrete. This is in respect to countries that are not recognised as soverien Nations, if the network is hosted in such terirories.
There are other variables to consider such as what format the restricted content is in and does the country which you are in recognise the laws of the country which the network/server is in.
I'm sure there are many more variables to consider but these appear to be some of the most tangleable at present.
When I asked the qestion; I was not necessarily lookng for a definative answer. I supposed it would provoke rational debate about the methods, practcality and feasibility of accessing restricted content.
As I have already implied in a previous post, if my intentions were soley to subvert the laws of the country I am in; I would have asked this question in a forum which is not mainstream and more inclined to give me a solution without any conditions.
by gsg
PlipO,
I've been reading some of the responses from other members here and your responses in turn. There seems to be a communication failure that is pretty common in text-based forums like this.
Your account seems to be pretty new, I don't know if you've been lurking without an account on this site before, but I will make the assumption that you haven't.
This site gets multiple posts every single day from people requesting ways to get around various system and network security measures. These range from questions about how to hack passwords to ways to download and install prohibited software or means of getting around webfilters that restrict access to certain sites. The overwhelming majority of these requests come from users who have brand new TR accounts, and 95% of them at least are clearly from people with less than ethical intentions.
Obviously TR is a site primarily for IT Professionals, many of us are Network, Systems or Security administrators who actually make a living enforcing the very policies that we're so often asked how to circumvent. It's kind of like walking into a police station breakroom asking the officers there the best way to rob a bank.
Over the years, after seeing hundreds of such requests, we do tend to get somewhat jaded and even hostile in our responses when we see these things come up. Now your intentions may have been very different from the typical student asking for a way to circumvent his schools policy of blocking myspace, but your initial question was somewhat vague and had several red flags, this is why you received the responses you did.
When it comes to tags, I frankly hardly ever look at them and it would be wise not to assume anyone else does either. Also it would probably not be prudent to assume that we will assume that your intentions are pure and noble if you're not clear about them. Techs tend to be rational people and if we go by the numbers, chances are that questions like these have a less than honorable intent.
The problem is also that if we were to answer your questions and offer solutions, these very same solutions could be as easily used by the pedophile searching for kiddie porn or the wannabe haxxor wanting to access inappropriate sites at his school or library as they could be by a Tibetan protester trying to reach outside the Great Firewall of China.
If you consider all of this, perhaps a more mellow response from you might be appropriate?
by jdclyde
All he had to do was answer my initial post, that was in no way an attack, and we could have moved on.
He didn't WANT to answer my question because he knew what he wanted to do was inappropriate at best and illegal/immoral at worst.
After reading his many replies, it seems more and more likely that he was seeking kiddyporn. What else is on a server in another country that would be legal in the other country but NOT in the UK? Look to the countries that have the thriving sex industry and no regulations/laws to hinder it.
by plipo
You give a rational explanation however you over looked the possibility that it's exactly because of the user base of the forum why I asked this question.
If I asked this question of members of a site that makes it a practice to promote methods of exploiting restricted networks; I would have simply got varying methods of achieving just that without any detailed exploration or interrogation of the best methods.
I know this because I am an active member of such sites and continue to be an active member for many more years.
You so called IT Professionals should welcome a question like this because if my are solely devious then posing questions that is directly linked with your everyday work might give you an insight into how deviants think.
The people that post in this forum; have they ever been in a Social Studies, English, History class and had a tutor pose a thought provoking question.
by maecuff
How many IT professionals REALLY need insight into how deviants think?? Most of us already are deviant. And even if we're not, we're probably busy working on everyday fires or issues and don't have a lot of time educating ourselves on the thought process of a deviant. And even if we DID, wouldn't all deviants have their own way of thinking? Wouldn't it take years of studying different behavioral patterns to truly understand the deviant mind?
You know what would be cool? If there was a profession where one could go to school to study behavior (including deviant behavior) and then find ways to help people with their emotional and psychological issues. Or maybe just write papers or a book on specific deviant behavior.
But, that's just crazy talk, isn't it?
by cmiller5400
Well then... Time for you to go away now. We do not need people posting questions like yours that are just meant to incite a riot.
It looks like this malevolent user, whose sole intentions were apparently to cause problems here must go.
Good Bye PlipO.
PS: I [b]AM[/b] an IT Professional; I have ethics; something you apparently lack.
The fact of the matter is that we see examples of how deviants think ALL the time. As I mentioned, we get qestions like the one you asked aon a very frequent basis. In addition to this we deal with real life examples of "deviants" every day who try to "hack" our networks and systems.
And you might be surprised at how many of us hang out on various sites dedicated to serving up such exploits and cirumvention. We like to keep an eye on what the "other side" is doing.
I think you might be overestimating just how thought-provoking your question is.
"Nothing can be so amusingly arrogant as a young man who has just discovered an old idea and thinks it is his own." -Sidney J. Harris
by beth blakely
by jdclyde
Something that might be illegal where he is, but isn't where the server might be?
Bomb making or kiddy porn.
Glad we didn't give him the answer.
by plipo
Is it silly season for you people.
The relavent authoroties, whoever they might be; are welcome visit me anytime.
I used my real name when I registered, I use only two ip addresses to acces this forum.
One of which is my home ip, therefore I have not intentions of hiding from the ?relevant authoroties?
by tig2
Leave the subject. Continuing to post to is, knowing the
reception that the subject matter has gotten, isn't going
to help anything.
When asking a hypothetical question here, define the
background some so that we understand the intellectual
approach you are taking. Do also let us know that you
aren't posting for someone to do homework for you. You
wouldn't BELIEVE how many term end papers we get asked
to help with!
As Kjell suggested, awareness of your surroundings is a
good thing. Cultivate "relationships" with other peers
through interaction on other subjects. That lets people
become aware of you and your motivations. It will change
how your tone is perceived, simply because you are known
to people.
You will find that you have a different experience by doing
this.
But this one needs to fall off the front door and get
forgotten.
by plipo
Your advice is noted and welcome but I will cease posting to this thread when I am good and ready.
The value of cultivating courteous working relationships is not lost on me but now I'm at play.
People often show their true nature when under stress and confronted by opposing view points.
My question is not a part of a formal academic project but it does give me some insight into one of my personal IT interests and lends itself nicely to a blog I am writing which will appear on Tech Republic hopefully in a few days.
I have asked questions along this theme in different forums and received differing answers, the responses I've received here are not of the caliber I expected but I can benefit from most of them.
This is a kin to bear bating but without the presence of the noble beast.
"...a blog I am writing which will appear on Tech Republic hopefully in a few days."
Should PlipO have an article of any kind posted on this site by the moderators of TR before April 30th, 2008, I will make a $50.00 charitable donation. To have your charity receive this money, be the first person to peer mail me a link to said article. Specify the mailing address or web site for donations to your charity. TR staff and other CNet employees excluded for obvious reasons.
PlipO, since you should know about the publication before anyone else, you shouldn't have any trouble getting some money for your bear baiting (not bating) club.
by beth blakely
by maecuff
I've tossed a couple of billy goats under the bridge on this one. I notice he's done everything EXCEPT answer JD's original question: Exactly what sites is he trying to access? It would be useful if he'd include how they're being blocked (ISP? School proxy server? Mummy and Daddy?).
I've dented my helmet enough on this one to determine Blimpo is more interested in arguing than in getting an answer to his question. I'm out of here.
by fregeus
...the shiiiiiit list, maybe?
LOL
TCB :)
by cmiller5400
I've been on enough Shhhhhhhit lists in my life; what's one more? ]:)
All hail Beth!!
by jdclyde
now that I have heard her say in her cute southern accent about cracking her whip....
Just need to hear about the leather outfit now.... :x
by plipo
Why are you so consumed by anger and arrogance.
Do you not believe that the study of deviant behaviour is an industry in it's own right and one which any serious security mined IT Professional need to take notice of.
When I realise that I might get as angry as you are now; I listen to some had house music, I go to good club, count my blessings and in the extreme of times, I drink some decent Whiskey.
by maecuff
Really.
First of all, I'm not even remotely angry. Not even a little. I just have an opinion on your post. And arrogance? Well, I won't deny a little arrogance, but really, I'm just punk compared to you in the arrogance department.
And thanks for giving me that little glimpse of your personal life. It's meant a lot to me to know about your clubbing and drinking habits. I feel that I'm a better person for it.
And please, if you want to call me angry and arrogant, that's great. But, if it's not too much trouble, could you add sarcastic to the list? Thanks so much.
by jdclyde
Your confusing arrogance with simply being better than others......
As I told an ex-boss when he accused me of "thinking I am smarter than everybody else", my answer was "Just because I am smarter doesn't mean I THINK I am smarter.....".
B-)
by jdclyde
Wouldn't it have to deviate from the norm?
If it were like other deviants, does it them become an alternative norm? If not, how could you learn about them if each one is unique?
I for one, do NOT want to learn how this particular punk thinks. He sounds too much like the punkassbitch that was in the Encryption discussion the other day. I had to go take a shower after reading it....
by jdclyde
by jdclyde
I have determined that he is the SECOND most disgusting poster I have seen in the last week.
The FIRST most disgusting was trying to chastise us for looking down upon him and other "pedosexuals".
by plipo
by pser
"I do not indulge in gutter talk."
Oh you deviant bastard ... you sure fooled us!
by jdclyde
by tig2
But somehow I don't think that the blog will appear on the
CNET family of sites. I'm psychic that way.
But you are always welcome to make a donation the the 3
Day!
by beth blakely
by beth blakely
by ontheropes
The other day someone called Scumdog incorrigible and he created his own word encouragable and defined what it means. I forget where 'twas.
You're right about me not impressing blimpy. I'm sensing a weird vibe from him.
I'm not sure but I don't think he likes me. :_|
by w2ktechman
however, my definition was encourageable due to the fact that women seem to get me to do things easily!
well that or titties -- or -- :0
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