General discussion

All Comments

  • Author
    Replies
    • #3122914

      In Comparison….

      by bfilmfan ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      The Three Stooges never won an Oscar…

    • #3122910

      Ok, having reviewed the list…

      by jamesrl ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      I do have a Moody Blues greatest hits CD which I enjoy. And I loved the SNL parody. I did not go see them at the local casino though I had the chance.

      But I did scan the list and did a few searches, and everyone I thought might be borderline would appear to be in. If Del Shannon is in (yes I am familiar with his works) then, Moody Blues should be in.

      James

    • #3122163

      Well

      by antuck ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      Since Prince made it in 2004, the Moddy Blues most certainly should have been on the list. I would have placed the Moddy Blues much higher then the Sex Pistols.

      I wonder why they haven’t been inducted?

    • #3122146

      The Moody Blues ….. regarded as one of the greatest Rock acts of all time

      by maxwell edison ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

    • #3122135

      bands not inducted who have been as influential

      by jck ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      One I can think of:

      Yes

    • #3122113

      Influential group

      by mirrormirror ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      I’m gonna show my true head banger rocker self…

      DEF LEPPARD should be in there if Prince already made it. Def Leppard is still making great music today and had influenced many other bands.

      ROCK ON!!!!

      • #3123354

        I think one of the qualifications is

        by jck ·

        In reply to Influential group

        so many years in the business…like 25 or 30 years?

        Def Leppard might just be reaching that. I think On Through The Night came out about 1980.

        They are a good band and do still put out some good stuff.

        • #3126855

          Yes, Shuld be there

          by johno ·

          In reply to I think one of the qualifications is

          How about jethro tull, The Clash, Warren Zevon, it seems that no more than 7 a year, queen only made it in the 200?, they have benn going since 1973 before the police etc.

          how about Dire Straits. bad Company, Free, Argent thin Lizzy. Golden earing.

          i have to say though that it seems that USA, as usual, makes it before Europe or England. RnR is not an american invention, if you follow the inductees you will see they are Blues players, and therefore Black and therefore African. i dont seen any african bands there.

          But as usual we have to bow down to the great american god.

          just a thought

          johno

        • #3126806

          Just saw Ian Anderson

          by beads ·

          In reply to Yes, Shuld be there

          I just caught a Jethro Tull concert here in Chicago a couple of weeks ago. Safe to say that Ian still knocks ’em out. Great show and agree that if nothing else Ian should be in the Hall of Fame.

          I had forgotten that Jethro Tull used to be the opening act for Led Zepplin back in the early 70s to boot!

          – beads

    • #3126853

      More deserving!!!

      by 76guitars ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      How about The Ventures?

      • #3126850

        There must be a certain…..

        by gregjahn ·

        In reply to More deserving!!!

        I imagine the Hall of Fame has certian set of rules or criterias for inductions.

        • #3126839

          moody blues

          by johno ·

          In reply to There must be a certain…..

          off the subject, why are the moody blues not in the hall of fame, look at the name, Moody BLUES, dont sound like a Rnr band to me. Good band but TOO clasical, in my opinion, like procul harem(sic).

          If 25 years is a critria then we should have bach, Beethoven and Mozart, as influences. the afore mentioned procul harem’s whiter shade of pale is based on a bach piece, cant remember which now.

          What i find intruging is the induction of the sex pistols, they were influential, but they were crap, sorry to say that i cannot remember a radio station taking a reqest for a sex pistols number. Okay Africa is a bit limited, but Good music is just that, and you will always get someone who will remind you of the good old days. I have yet to find someone who says “put on the sex pistols, we just love there three chord limitations and there rubbish harmonies, and I really get blown away by their vulgarity”.

          johno

        • #3128374

          But that’s only one…

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to moody blues

          Just like many other bands, Procol Harum has been classified based on their single big hit. Anybody who listened to a complete album (any of them) knows they were much more than “Whiter Shade of Pale.”

          Give it time, it’ll happen. Although I must agree with you on one count. If the Sex Pistols are there, something is definitely wrong with the system.

      • #3126849

        the shadows

        by johno ·

        In reply to More deserving!!!

        the ventures good stuff, but then we should have the shadows, i must be honest though I have not paid too much attention to the list. i belive that there are criteria we are not privvy to, ie how many groupies were laid etc, you know real significant stuff. Jokingly though, the stones were/are great, but technically speaking, eric Clapton, has got to be one of the best guitarist that ever existed. he makes Keith richards look like Milli Vanilli.

        johno

        • #3126838

          Shadows, too!

          by 76guitars ·

          In reply to the shadows

          You’re right. The Shadows deserve the honor, too. Much more so,
          IMHO, than groups such as Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers.

        • #3126821

          Frankie who?

          by johno ·

          In reply to Shadows, too!

          Truth be told until i heard they did “why do fools fall in love” and nothing else, I was clueless.

          i have gone to the RnR hall of fame and have gleaned a plethora of knowledge i did not know.

          what i find strange though is the definition of Rock n roll, i can apprecate Michael Jacksons brilliance i would not make him a RnR legend, Pop yes.

          too each his own.

          johno

        • #3128285

          King of the surf guitar

          by doug m. ·

          In reply to Shadows, too!

          And let’s not forget Dick Dale. The surfer rock sound in the early 60’s was cool. Dick is still out there playing at some smaller venues occasionally.

        • #3129661

          Tarantino Movies

          by johno ·

          In reply to King of the surf guitar

          his music is used in Tarantino movies, so yeah good guitarists. Dont know about his influence, live far away in Sunny RSA, not someone who is going to tour here.

          johno

    • #3128035

      Please tell me

      by skershaw1 ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      Maybe because they are just singers in a rock-n-roll band……….

      • #3128004

        Influence might be a sticking point

        by middleagednewbie ·

        In reply to Please tell me

        I always thought of the Moody Blues as standing very much alone among musical groups. Nobody really preceded or followed them; Genesis might be the most similar band I can name. I never really thought they fit under any particular genre, and did have some detractors who thought rock music shouldn’t be quite that elegant. I definitely don’t agree with that last point, and think they deserve such an honor (or maybe that should be spelled “honour”) as induction.

    • #3127985

      I totally agree

      by ebenezet ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      I totally agree…it’s pathetic….

    • #3127973

      very deserving

      by bluron ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      Stevie Ray Vaughn not only as a performer, but a major influence to some quite respectful and talented performers. I would have thought both the Moody Blues and SRV would have been inducted.

      • #3127937

        SRV

        by johno ·

        In reply to very deserving

        Obviously there is some criteria, we are not privy too, SRV is brilliant, but a little bluesy maybe, but having said that given the likes of BB king etc, maybe it should be called the Rnr Blues and pop hall of fame.

        I doubt though if our little discussion here would influence them, but it has been loads of fun, learnt something, spoke with kindred spirits, drank some beer, got go and ride the harley now.

        johno

        • #3121181

          Rock & roll is a _lot_ “bluesy”

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to SRV

          The Stones, the Beatles, and many more got their start covering songs by Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, Bo Diddley, Howlin’ Wolf, Elmore James, BB King, and many others.

          We wouldn’t have rock & roll _without_ the blues.

        • #3121135

          Even the term

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Rock & roll is a _lot_ “bluesy”

          Rock and Roll came from a blues song. No, the DJ in Cleveland didn’t coin that phrase, he borrowed it.

        • #3120891

          Thats the truth

          by johno ·

          In reply to Rock & roll is a _lot_ “bluesy”

          Cant agree more, I think the problem lies with the title Rock and Roll hall of fame. Maybe the pures blues artists should fall into the infulence section. Whatever they do I am just happy RnR exists along with Pretty women Beer and Harley-Davidson. Oh yes and rugby, but the yanks wont know about that.

          johno

        • #3197142

          Bets?

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Thats the truth

          I’ve had a “r gby gr n” for almost theirty years now…

    • #3127849

      I agree with you about the Moody Blues.

      by sleepin’dawg ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      And don’t get me wrong but I’ve never been one to get my shorts in a knot over any kind of entertaiment and/or the practioners of same. I enjoyed and still enjoy the Moody Blues when I hear them but as far as I’m concerned I don’t care whether they are in a hall of fame. In fact I had to stretch my memory that there was such a thing as a Rock ‘n Roll Hall of fame but then I have to stretch my mind to remember there is such a place as Cleveland which I only remember as the mistake on the lake. I’ve just never understood how people get so wrapped up in things like this. My loss I suppose.

      [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

      • #3128306

        Out of Touch??

        by soundchaser ·

        In reply to I agree with you about the Moody Blues.

        the mistake on the lake was a term from the early 70’s. Cleveland has changed considerably in the 30 years since. To follow that logic, I could insist on calling all my friends down here in Florida as Johnny Reb. It does not sit well. Hahaha… if you get a chance, check the city out. It may surprise you.

        • #3128151

          I agree

          by doug m. ·

          In reply to Out of Touch??

          I was in Cleveland a few years back; I liked it. Being from Chicago, it sort of had the look and feel of my hometown. I found out that some of the same architects who designed buildings in Chitown also built a few in Cleveland.

        • #3129714

          Have relatives there, visited there,was bored there and the best part …..

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to Out of Touch??

          of being there was leaving there. I stand by my opinion of the mistake on the lake. BTW it’s a term dating as far back as the fifties and possibly further. If Cleveland is so wonderful why don’t you go live there??? It is most definitely not high on the list of places people willingly choose to live. I only go there when I have no choice and my last trip there was March/03 and my mind is still seared by the memory. What does it have going for it other than the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Cleveland, the elephants grave yard of the trailer trash set. It is one of the misfortunes of my life that I have relatives there and have to attend family functions such as funerals, weddings and christenings. Trust me as soon as they’re hatched, matched or dispatched I’m out of there via the fastest means possible.

          [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #3129557

          wow

          by doug m. ·

          In reply to Have relatives there, visited there,was bored there and the best part …..

          why don’t you tell us how you really feel? LOL
          I have no desire to live there. But I’m not opposed to visiting there, just like NYC and L.A.
          Nice places to visit but you really don’t want to live there. I’m not trying to convince anyone to live there, just saying I didn’t find the city all that bad, but then again I was only there for a couple of days.

        • #3129512

          Being there might be like having sex with a………………….

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to wow

          queer. It might feel kind of nice but would you really want your friends to see you doing that??? Well you did ask how I felt!!!:^O Do note I did say might; I really have no standard of comparison in that area but what the hell, you say you found the city not that bad. You trying to tell us something???:p

          [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #3126794

          Yikes!

          by soundchaser ·

          In reply to Being there might be like having sex with a………………….

          I guess obvious cultural pastimes were not on your agenda. World class Art and History Museums, a World class orchestra, one of the finest Urban park systems in the country. Hospital systems that rival any other city in the world, professional sports teams. I lived in the Cleveland market for 28 years and only recently left.

          And I thought IT was reserved for the intelligent folks……

        • #3126666

          ahhh

          by doug m. ·

          In reply to Being there might be like having sex with a………………….

          you won’t get me to bite on that bait my friend. All I’m saying is I like the way the city was laid out and it seemed pretty friendly and halfway clean. There are parts of all large cities you really don’t want to go in. My opinion of NYC, for example, was formed back in 1978 and they appeared to be on a garbage strike and the city was just awful at that time. I hear tell they’ve cleaned it all up, including Times Square where I was handed hand-bills promoting all sorts of lurid adult shows. (much like Las Vegas)Not that there’s anything wrong with adult shows if you’re so inclined.

        • #3126405

          NYC

          by soundchaser ·

          In reply to ahhh

          I can remember WALKING the streets of NYC at midnight – 2AM even down around Times Square with no one bothering me. That was some time ago. It did get pretty bad, but I, too, have heard it has improved.

    • #3127786

      I couldn’t agree more

      by les.eaglestone ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      If longevity is a criterion to be used, then the Moody Blues should make the Hall of Fame as they’ve been around since the sixties! Looking at the list of inductees to date, it is a travesty that they’re not there in my opinion (there are far less deserving inductees already in the Hall of Fame)

    • #3128367

      Reality Check

      by sawyerch ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      There is a war in Iraq and our boys are dying. Let’s get to what’s real in life. Besides, what on earth does this have to do with IT?

      • #3128284

        Reality Checkmate

        by dmambo ·

        In reply to Reality Check

        “There is a war in Iraq and our boys are dying.”
        There are people suffering here and abroad and we still go on vacations. There are people homeless, and we still order out for pizza. Don’t you think it’s OK to have a mild diversion once in a while?

        “Let’s get to what’s real in life.”
        There are lot of people for whom music, even Rock and Roll, is a very important factor in their lives. It’s conceivable that for them, this is a significant discussion.

        “Besides, what on earth does this have to do with IT?”
        This is the Miscellaneous board. The post’s title was about as descriptive as possible. There was no way anyone should confuse this thread with a technology discussion, and it’s right where it belongs.

        If you don’t like the non-IT discussions, perhaps it would better suit your preferences if you did not participate in them.

        • #3128245

          Amen

          by doug m. ·

          In reply to Reality Checkmate

          I concur whole-heartedly!

        • #3129610

          Another Country Heard From…

          by geezah ·

          In reply to Amen

          Ditto!

          I am also shocked that The Moody Blues are not in the the R&R Hall of.. well Shame now. Remember thier 1st LP, with Go Now? Much different than the rest but one of my all time favorite LPs.

          And what about Jeffery Fredericks and the Clamtones???

        • #3126580

          Another winner!

          by 76guitars ·

          In reply to Another Country Heard From…

          Yeah, they belong as much as Frankie Lymon.

      • #3126284

        Reality Check pt II

        by mickster269 ·

        In reply to Reality Check

        Maybe that’s why this thread is in the “Miscellaneous” section?

        And real in life? Are you implying that rock and roll isn’t real? Haven’t you ever listened to music while performing some IT task? Have you seen a computer commercial on the Television that DOESN’T have a music sound track?

        We can’t be focused on the trials and tribulations of just the critical issues of the world. Everyone needs to relax at one point, and where better than here?

    • #3128316

      Re:A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      by soundchaser ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      The board fo the RnR Hall of Fame decided on Cleveland as its home, it was because of Alan Freed and his coining of the term and his influence on American radio based in Cleveland. I will not recognize the hall until the actual announcements, and the induction ceremonies take place in that town.If they wanted a oard based in New York and a figure head museum in Cleveland, it should have been presented to the public as such, but it wasn’t.

      Some of the inductees have been valid, but I agree with this writer that more inflential groups have been overlooked, like the Moodies, Yes, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Genesis, Tangerine Dream….all European blockbuster groups. This board is a sham.

      • #3129660

        Parochial

        by johno ·

        In reply to Re:A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

        I tend to think, having viewed the actual list, that the RnR Hall is Parochial with a tenedency towards bands from the US. before i get shot down, I dont have a problem with the Music per se’ it is just that the hall only looks outside the borders when forced too. ELP, Definatly genesis, They also dont listen to everything the band plays again I go back to the Sex pistols, 3 Chords crap Vocals No harmoines and no real music talent whatsoever, unless you call spitting on the crowd.

        Cheers.

        johno

        • #3126774

          All too true.

          by soundchaser ·

          In reply to Parochial

          As a teenager in the “British Invasion” of the 60’s, I was glad that there were new rock sounds being injected. These guys had different outlooks on life and culture than we Americans did and it expanded our experience. Groups like Cream, The Who, The Yardbirds, contributed as much to the rock experience as any other group. Unfortunately, who knows what goes through the minds of those nominating and voting on selection for admission???

    • #3126569

      Did I miss something

      by tony hopkinson ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      Jackson Five, The Supremes ?
      Not the top of my list when listening to Rock, Roll or Blues.
      Not going to confuse them with AC-DC or Robert Cray are you ?
      Never been a great fan of the Moody Blues myself, but I’d much rather listen to them than either of the above, in fact I’d rather listen to my mother-in-law complain than either of them.

      Next year they’ll realise they’ve left out europeans and add Shakin’ Stevens, Rick Astley or Steps I should think.

      • #3130059

        RnR good and bad

        by johno ·

        In reply to Did I miss something

        AC/DC and Robert Cray, I suppose you should have Tina Turner then. But yes the jackson 5 et al dont fall into my record selection. On the subject of really rubbish, how about Boney M. Milli Vanilli, and most of the Euro Disco rubbish you get nowadays.

        On the good side from Australia, Midnight Oil, JO Jo zep and the falcons, from NZ Crowed House, but this is degenerating into a Hand bag slapping scenario, My band is better than yours. RnR is like Sex, it is always good, but when it is brilliant it is fantastic

        johno

        • #3197237

          Wow what decade are you in

          by tony hopkinson ·

          In reply to RnR good and bad

          Disco, that’s dead thank various deities, most of it was american anyway.
          If you like the jacksons and the supremes be my guest, I like lots of music myself, just not them. I’m sure they deserve to be in a top 20 in some genre, just not rock and roll.

        • #3197717

          To True

          by johno ·

          In reply to Wow what decade are you in

          Yep, I dont have any of there stuff either, maybe they should have a Pop hall of fame, then they can have their deities and normal folk can listen to decent RnR. I must be honest though I have danced to the Staying alive soundtrack, Wouldnt mention it in polite company though could offend some people.

          johno

      • #3121178

        Maybe even…

        by nicknielsen ·

        In reply to Did I miss something

        The Strawbs.

        I mean, let’s get real, if the Sex Pistols are there, every other band ever recorded deserves a place.

        • #3120880

          The strawbs without a doubt

          by johno ·

          In reply to Maybe even…

          The strawbs, now there is a blast from the past, they were excellent, tight, different with an outstanding lead vocalist (cant remember name), I have another one, if we are on the Sex pistols, Supertramp.

          In fact we should petition the hall to remove the bloddy sex pistols, 3 chord rubbish, whilst been high on drugs, really makes for good music.

          johno

        • #3197267

          You’re thinking of Dave Cousins

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to The strawbs without a doubt

          I saw them live a few times. To think that Rick Wakeman – of ‘Yes’ fame – started with them and Sandy Denny of Fairport Convention and then Pentangle – who tragically died at age 31 of a brain tumour.

          Oooops! Showing my age and early musical tastes here!

        • #3197228

          getoff Neil, you’re showing mine, too!

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to You’re thinking of Dave Cousins

          I remember Pentangle!

          And Fairport Convention!

          I actually bought a Fairport Convention LP when I was…….ooops……

          :p

          GG

        • #3197231

          There have are and will be a lot

          by tony hopkinson ·

          In reply to Maybe even…

          of very popular music entertainers who aren’t musically gifted. I wouldn’t put the pistols in Top 20 Rock and Roll either. Top 20 punk rock definitely.
          Should Sid and the pistols have been up there with Frank in top 20 crooners for My Way do you think ?
          Tee Hee
          This site is obviously some sort of popularity contest, nothing to do with the style or quality of the music.
          SuperTramp Ugh, you’ll be mentioning REO Speedwagon next.
          AOR, can’t stand it. Rock for eunuchs.

    • #3121136

      The Shaggs belong in the R&R Hall of Fame

      by maxwell edison ·

      In reply to A Travesty of Rock and Roll Justice

      .
      They were, after all, according to Frank Zappa, better than the Beatles. And since the Beatles are in, and Zappa is in, there ya go. Where are the Shaggs?

      • #3121092

        Maybe because

        by neilb@uk ·

        In reply to The Shaggs belong in the R&R Hall of Fame

        Zappa was not as good a music critic as he was a musician.

        I must admit that, once heard, you can’t take a middle ground with the Shaggs, though. I’d probably leave ’em out.

      • #3120887

        The Shaggs ??

        by johno ·

        In reply to The Shaggs belong in the R&R Hall of Fame

        Who? maybe coming from Sunny RSA has limited my listening options, but I have not heard of them, I will check in at my local store though, nothing like a new experience. I like zappa though, but find at times he tends to be a little esoteric, or mocking, i dont know which. When he is good he is really good.

        johno

        • #3197259

          You won’t find The Shaggs at any local store

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to The Shaggs ??

          .
          Well, you might. Their stuff has been released again on CD.

          However, be advised, my message was dripping with sarcasm.

          The Shaggs, an all-girl band who recorded their first (and only?) record in 1969 (it was re-released in 1980), hold the distinction, in many circles, of being the absolutely worst group to ever make a record. They were SO bad, that no recording company, reputable of otherwise, would record their “music” (and I use the term “music” with extreme caution); their father actually had to PAY a recording studio to do it, and he had to buy 1,000 records himself.

          I’ve been offered $50 for my 1980 re-released record, The Shaggs, Philosophy of the World, but I’ve turned it down. I’ve never seen an original 1969 record; it’s one of the most rare records of all time, only 100 out of the original 1000 survived, and it’s worth multi-mega-$$$.

          Listen to some samples:

          Read all about them:

          http://www.aurealm.com/shaggs.htm

          http://www.missioncreep.com/tilt/shaggs.html

          http://www.susanorlean.com/articles/meet_shaggs.html

          But if the Sex Pistols made the R&R Hall of Fame, and the Moody Blues don’t, well, The Shaggs should certainly be a shoe-in. (More sarcasm!)

          Personally, I think the R&R HoF is a joke.

        • #3197198

          Maxwell, I still haven’t thanked you

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to You won’t find The Shaggs at any local store

          I went and Googled up a sample of their work after your first post about them.

          I’m afraid, as always, I missed the irony. It does, after all, take all sorts to make world and you just [b]might[/b] have been a fan.

        • #3197175

          I do, after all, . . . . .

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Maxwell, I still haven’t thanked you

          .
          ….OWN one of their records!

        • #3197134

          Mocking

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to The Shaggs ??

          Definitely mocking. Zappa had a very low opinion of most mainstream rock.

          I miss him and Captain Beefheart both!

        • #3197095

          When it came to bizarre, Frank Zappa was certainly. . . . .

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Mocking

          .
          ….the mother of invention.

        • #3197065

          Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar

          by dmambo ·

          In reply to Mocking

          I was never a Zappa fan, but a roommate I had had an LP called “Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar” in which Frank really showed off his chops. To me, it was much better than the “normal” Zappa stuff

        • #3197866

          Just Another Band From LA

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar

          A live album in which FZ also shows his chops AND we learn to yodel for vegetables.

          Actually, if you know where to listen, you can hear FZ show off his chops in every one of his songs.

        • #3197790

          Zappa’s chops

          by dmambo ·

          In reply to Just Another Band From LA

          are evident throughout, but I sometimes have a hard time getting past the loopiness integrated into much of his art. To each his own.

        • #3197754

          I was never a big fan

          by doug m. ·

          In reply to Zappa’s chops

          of Frank Zappa either but I can appreciate what he did. I think he and the band could have been serious performers but then they might have just been lumped together with all the other bands of the time and would not have gotten the recognition they did. They stood out from the crowd.

        • #3197729

          About Zappa “chops”

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar

          If you look, on many of the albums is Steve Vai, listed as “Stat Abuse”.

          If you like guitar, you HAVE to LOVE Vai.

        • #3197730

          About Zappa “chops”

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar

          If you look, on many of the albums is Steve Vai, listed as “Stat Abuse”.

          If you like guitar, you HAVE to LOVE Vai.

          Oh yeah, don’t eat the yellow snow!

Viewing 15 reply threads