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    And I thought we Aussies were getting shafted, spare a though for the poms


    by mjwx ·

    Petrol prices in Perth are around AU$1.30 a litre, which is about US$4.00 a gallon but in London they are US$6.30 a gallon.

    The British were only beaten by HK and Norway (probably a few others who weren?t mentioned).

    A right royal shafting. In AU our govt taxes petrol a bit and it sticks around $1.30 a litre, even during the Iraq invasion it only peaked at $1.50 a litre (up from just over $1 at the time).

    Guess I just wanted to do a bit of complaining (I’m part English you see).

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    • #3206810

      One saving grace

      by neilb@uk ·

      In reply to And I thought we Aussies were getting shafted, spare a though for the poms

      is that our tiny little island is just that – tiny. A trip from Weedon Bec in the the centre of England to the “beach” at Hunstanton (pronounced Huntston) is around 65 miles.

      Not that anyone would want to go to Hunstanton.

      Weedon Bec is about fifteen miles from my birthplace so I know it well. Because it was considered the centre of England, George III (the mad King) had some barracks built there with a direct canal route from London. He would have gone there with his family had Napoleon invaded.

      Neil 😀

      Free history lesson courtesy of NITS ™ because Yanks and Aussies don’t have any and we’ve got LOTS and LOTS.

      • #3206794

        Theres beach in england

        by mjwx ·

        In reply to One saving grace

        I thought it was only a myth.

        • #3206778

          Them’s fightin’ words….

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to Theres beach in england

          ‘course we have beaches.

          And some of the best are in my area….


          Myth? Nah. Kyth my ath. :p



        • #3206777

          My “home” beach

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to Theres beach in england

          is Brighton – a quick 50 mile dash down the M23. It’s a lovely sandy beach – if you define “sand” as having an average size of around 5cm.

          From a good long way off, it looks nice.

          I love this piccy. So bright and cheerful.

          Neil 🙂

        • #3206765

          GG, Neil, to paraphrase from a bad australian movie

          by mjwx ·

          In reply to My “home” beach

          thats not a beach, this is a beach

          Coral Bay in Western Australia. On the ningaloo reef.

          It?s a bit hard to get to being 1000 KM’s north of Perth and no airport but that just keeps the undesirables away. Crystal blue waters, photos don?t do it justice. My all time favorite holiday spot. If you find yourself in the land down under its worth a visit even when you need to drive 300 KM’s (from near-by Canarvon, relatively near-by) and you can easily find a beach by yourself.

          Brighton ay, I would very much like to go to a beach without sand. As much fun as the beach is getting sand out of your undies for three days isn?t.

        • #3206745

          A lot depends upon how you define a beach

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Theres beach in england

          In Australia it has to have sand, extremely small silicon based grains – about the size of table salt or smaller; and sun (most of the time) and water with reasonable temperatures.

          Now most of what I’ve seen of what they call beaches in the UK has pebbles, not sand, sun once a year, and the water temperature is such that you can cool your drinks off by resting them in the sea – watch out they don’t get to icy.

      • #3206748

        You have history and a land extremely well

        by deadly ernest ·

        In reply to One saving grace

        fertilised with blood from all the murders and random killings, torture, etc that comes with it. We just have lots of land and freedom.

        • #3206735

          Murders and random killings

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to You have history and a land extremely well

          vs lots of land and freedom.

          Well, good for you.

          Try not to take it so seriously – my post was obviously not intended to be so taken. Living up to your user name isn’t really advisable unless you want an acrimonious debate about Australian policy towards Aborigines and Asian boat people. Trust me, I’ll oblige.

          People who live in glass houses…

          Neil 😀

          Otherwise, lets just agree to post appropriately.

        • #3206656

          I didn’t add a sarcasm alert as it was mild and what I said mostly true

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Murders and random killings

          With the murders and killings I was making an oblique reference to the number of royals and peers murdered by their own families to arrange a change of control. Also the excessive blood letting that went on between the English and Scots, Welsh, irish etc.

          However, re the two points that you raise.

          1. Treatment of Aboriginal peoples, or more accurately mistreatment. 95% of this happened under the auspices of the various BRITISH colonial governments and BRITISH appointed governors. So don’t blame us Aussies for it, it was British Policy – actually most of the good thngs with Aboriginals that happened during this period was when the local Aussies made arrangements without, or outside, the government representatives and policies.

          The 4% was by state governments, successors to the colonial governments carrying out old policies as the govt depts were run by people appointed by the old colonial governors.

          The remaining 1% is because any group of people includes some useless bigots.

          2. Asian Boat People – simply put we see no reason why some one should be allowed to cross two or more countries and then claim preferential treatment as refugees when the reasons for being a refugee were left a few countries back.

          People who escaped from Vietnam, China, East Timor, the Phillipines and came directly here have been treated as refugees. That is the Aust govt policy and laws and is in line with the international conventions.

          People who leave Afghanistan or Pakistan as refugees, cross India and Indonesia, and who knows aht other countries, to arrive in Australia are NOT refugees. That is in line with Aust govt policy and law, and the same international conventions. They ceased being refugees when they reached safety in India or Indonesia.

          People who arrive here at deliberately destroy their identification documents and then lie about who they are and why they are here are NOT wanted. We will readily accept bona fide refugees and nice people, we do NOT want lying, thieving sods. Sadly too many of them get through because our laws are much slacker than other countries.


          By The Way my user name is a very old nickname from primary school, there used to be a compared show that played horror movies on a Friday and Saturday nights called Horror Movies with Deadly Earnest. Being an Ernest I got called Deadly.

          For your information my father was born in Huddersfield, Yorkshire. Ancestrially his family go back to pre-Roman Wales (House of Poyes), my mother’s ancestry if Scottish. And both have some Irish mixed in as well during the last five generations. So I’m an Aussie of English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish decent – quiver in your boots my son, quiver. You don’t want to make me angry, just look at the historical imperatives involved here.

          Oh I almost forgot, one of the distant, very distant house relationships goes by the name of Tudor. At one point some of the stay at home Welsh relatives spent many years fighting the Normanised relatives who called themselves Tudor. We got looong memories, boyo, long memories.

          edited to fix a typo and a cut and paste error.

        • #3206628

          OK, I missed the sarcasm

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to I didn’t add a sarcasm alert as it was mild and what I said mostly true

          I always do because it doesn’t work in print . Hence, I took your remarks at face value and as a sharp criticism following what was a characteristically jokey NITS passage.

          There’s more than enough back-biting going on at TR lately so I don’t want to add to it. I don’t want to quarrel so I won’t mention the “Stolen Generation”.

          Neil 😀

          I’m 62.5% pure South Welsh (Ap Owen). The rest of me is classic English mongrel with a small addition of Native American from a Great^5 grandmother. Culturally, I am extremely English.

        • #3206550

          That’s OK it wasn’t that heavey, and only meant

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to OK, I missed the sarcasm

          half sarcasticly. Ancetrally my father’s family comes form the Isle of Anglesy (I do hope I spelt that right) and there are many Ownes in the later tree – we could be related, extremely distantly though. At least several thousand miles, lol.

          Re the Stolen Generation hype, yes hype. They don’t tell you that the very same Child Welfare authorities took more non-Aboriginal people into care than they did Aboriginal, and thats as a percentage of population. Nor do they tell you that the majority of such children would have never reached adulthood if not taken into care. So far every case, where it was fully examined, showed that the child taken into care was in very real danger of serious harm or death.

          I know several people whe are listed as being part of the Stolen Generation, and their statement on the issue is “Thank God we were.”

          The most intersting thing about the Stolen Generation issue is that the whole thing has basically died out since the federal government made it quite clear that they would NOT provide anyone with any extra money or assistance as a pay off for being ‘stolen’. Makes you wonder don’t it.

          Another point is that the premis of the Stolen Generation was to eliminate the Aboriginal culture. If that was the case why is it they they only took a small percentage of the children, not the majority or all of them? The SG proponents can’t answer that one.

        • #3206621

          If we can not fling stones at each other…

          by onbliss ·

          In reply to Murders and random killings

          …, as we all live in glass houses. Then, where is the fun 🙂

        • #3206618

          Hey! You talking to me?

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to If we can not fling stones at each other…


        • #3206552

          Nope, I was not talking…

          by onbliss ·

          In reply to Hey! You talking to me?

          …I was just flinging a stone at your house 🙂

          added: at your house

        • #3207580

          paintballs would be more fun….

          by bart001fr1 ·

          In reply to If we can not fling stones at each other…

          and artistic to boot.

          Get some washable paint and wash it off if you don’t like the results and start over. After all, if you took the time to build a glass house, you do [i]not[/i] want any extra windows made with rocks, nor do you want to walk barefoot on broken glass.

          Invite friends and allies and have at it. It makes such pretty colours.

          Of course there’s the good old food fight. Rotten tomatoes and properly aged eggs, the rottener, the better. And let’s not forget cabbages….

          And after all the excess energy is expended, let’s celebrate by opening a can of our favorite suds and have a good laugh at all the fun we had.

          Life’s too short to stay angry!


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      by tig2 ·

      In reply to And I thought we Aussies were getting shafted, spare a though for the poms

      I thought WE had it bad! What an eye-opener!

      Makes me glad I drive a small car with great gas mileage. My commute is around 60 miles a day. That commute is a factor now when I negotiate a contract- the amount of time I have to spend on a client site often determines my level of flexibility in my rate.

      Can’t even imagine driving in England- $6.30 a gallon??? OUCH!!!

      • #3206724

        And we still have plenty of SUVs

        by neilb@uk ·

        In reply to OUCH!!!

        I suspect that there are things that we get more cheaply but I’m damned if I can think of anything!


        • #3206653

          Cheaper French wine and cheeses is what you

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to And we still have plenty of SUVs

          got, and those trips to sunny Spain and the med are a lot cheaper for you than us. Mind you our beaches are better, anyway. We also get cheaper trips to Fiji and New Zealand.

        • #3206619

          Then why

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to Cheaper French wine and cheeses is what you

          am I holidaying in the US this year? as it happens, I’m not going anywhere near a beach but if I was then the one we went to a few years ago is the best I’ve seen.

          Admittedly there were a few people but it was 100yds from our front door.

          We only get cheaper French wine and cheese if we go over there to buy it. I prefer Spain or Portugal anyway, like good Rioja wine and Port and prefer English cheeses to all of them.


        • #3206542

          Good question, why – are you a masochist or

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Then why

          is it something else. OK, just joking again. I just wish I could afford to go to the USA for a month or three, to see the Grand Canyon, the Rockies, Yellowstone, Niagra Falls, Zion National Park, an a few other places.

          Not sure I’d go to Florida though, if it’s not in the news because of a hurricane its because of a tornado – and they call THAT the sunshine state. I know why so many people send the oldies to retirement villas there – they’ll get the insurance quicker. joke, ok joke again.

        • #3207331

          ha ha ha!

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to Good question, why – are you a masochist or

          We are going to: Grand Canyon, Zion National Park and lots and lots of others.

          Be jealous… ]:}

        • #3207307

          Not jealous, just iritated – just you wait until I find my spell book

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to ha ha ha!

          then it the green warts spell for you, or maybe the constant flatulence spell. That will take the wind out of your sails, and put it somewhere else for sure.

    • #3206650

      I go through six gallons a day to get to work

      by jdclyde ·

      In reply to And I thought we Aussies were getting shafted, spare a though for the poms

      If I go to my office, which is the closest location, it is about six gallons for the round trip.

      If I have to go to the furthest location, it is about 15 gallons for the round trip.

      Isn’t life grand? ;\

      • #3206617

        Thats insane

        by jamesrl ·

        In reply to I go through six gallons a day to get to work

        At that rate couldn’t you get a small beater and save some gas money? Motorcycle?

        Do you get mileage when you go to the far location?

        I go through about 14 gallons a week, driving my minivan about 250 miles – not stellar, but with the cost of insurance in the big city, its hard to justify a second car. I pay about $150 a month in insurance, and even if I bought an old heap and put the minimum insurance on it, it would still cost more than I would save. But if I lived in a rural area where insurance was much cheaper….


        • #3206580

          About 30 mpg highway

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Thats insane

          Sometime a little more, sometimes a little less, depending oh what I set the cruise control at which is based on how much time I have to get where I am going.

          Thank goodness when I go anywhere but the main office I get mileage re-embrusement through work.

      • #3206611

        If I drove

        by neilb@uk ·

        In reply to I go through six gallons a day to get to work

        It would only be a 25 mile round trip so I’d use a gallon. It would take around 1h30 each way, congestion charge would be ?8 and parking would be around ?20 as our office has two spaces for 600 people.

        That’s around $60 per day. I use the train!


        • #3206576

          our office is not in the big city

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to If I drove

          matter of fact, it is a town, not a city, and barely a dot on the map! No problem with parking.

          Would love to take a train, but there isn’t one.

          We ALMOST bought out a competitor in my home town! DRAT! I could have moved my office there and rode my bike to work. GRRRRRR. Drat the luck. They were worried about the monopoly laws here, and ended up not ALLOWED to buy it. Damm government interferance in my life! X-(

    • #3207575

      Canada’s right there in the mix

      by bart001fr1 ·

      In reply to And I thought we Aussies were getting shafted, spare a though for the poms

      Try 1.14 a litre, multiply by 1.14 litres to the quart, times four to get the imperial gallon. Multiply by the current exchange rate for your particular neck of the woods and you see what we pay here.

      I think we can all agree: We all pay too much!


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