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Another debate, another victory for John Kerry...

By Aldanatech ·
After the second presidential debate between George Bush and John Kerry, it becomes more clear to me that Kerry will be the next president of the United States. Bush had another chance to make his case to the American people but once again he failed. Again, he showed that he is out of touch with reality on Iraq. Again, he offered no plan for jobs and no plan for cutting the cost of health care. Again, he pretended that our problems don't exist. Again, he refused to level with the American people. Bush just doesn't get it, so he can't fix it.

John Kerry held George Bush accountable for the failures of the last four years. He demonstrated the strength and character we need in a president. He made it clear he could lead as commander in chief. John Kerry offered real solutions to real problems. He told America the truth, and offered a plan for a fresh start on the economy, Iraq, and the war on terror. In other words he was presidential. Ironically the president was not. What is your personal opinion of that debate? Who do you think won that debate and why?

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What Senator Edward M. Kennedy had to say about the 2nd presidential debate

by Aldanatech In reply to Another debate, another v ...

This is what Senator Edward M. Kennedy had to say about the 2nd presidential debate:

"John Kerry impressed the nation with his knowledge of the issues and his command of the debate. He has shown once again the leadership, judgment, and deeply ingrained values that make him the best and only choice to move America forward and keep our country safe.

"President Bush is fundamentally incapable of admitting he has made serious, potentially, catastrophic mistakes. The course he has charted for our nation is dangerously flawed, and his only tactic is to distort John Kerry's record and his sensible positions on the critical challenges we face at home and in the wider world.

"John Kerry stands for a safer, stronger, and fairer nation for all our people. The last thing America needs is four more years of the same failed course we're careening down today."

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Good ole Ted, please tell me you knew that Ted and Edward are one in the...

by ippirate In reply to What Senator Edward M. Ke ...


Boy oh boy, what would I do without Ted's endorsement. Anyone who is endorsed by Edward Kennedy has got my vote.


Ted Kennedy endorsing Kerry is as unexpected and as much a reason to back Kerry as Goring endorsing Hitler.

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What he said about the third and final presidential debate

by Aldanatech In reply to What Senator Edward M. Ke ...

These are Senator Edward M. Kennedy's statement on the third and final presidential debate:

"John Kerry demonstrated conclusively that he is ready to be President. His strength, character, and leadership were on full display for America to see. He?ll be an outstanding President for all Americans.

"He?ll do a more effective job than President Bush in keeping America strong and safe, and he?ll be the jobs, education, and health care President we haven?t had in the past four years.

"Sadly, President Bush's failure to defend his policies was on full display for Americans to see as well. He failed to set out a positive vision for our nation and our future, and his only recourse was to malign and misrepresent John Kerry's record and proposals.

"The debates were a clean sweep for John Kerry: three for three. This election can?t come too soon. I just hope the Red Sox can do that to the Yankees in the next three games."

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What Congressman John Lewis had to say about the 2nd presidential debate

by Aldanatech In reply to Another debate, another v ...

This is what Congressman John Lewis had to say about the 2nd presidential debate:

"I am relieved to hear that George Bush won't appoint judges who might reinstitute slavery. But unfortunately, we expect more than this from our judges and frankly, we need more than this from George Bush.

"George Bush's Dred Scott comments underscore the fact that when it comes to the African-American community, he is completely out of touch with the issues that concern us. The President's record is appalling ? his administration is the most anti-African American in a generation.

"On Martin Luther King, Jr.'s birthday, he announced his opposition to the University of Michigan Affirmative Action program and called it a 'quota.' The day after he laid a wreath on Dr. King's grave, he appointed anti-civil rights judge Charles Pickering, who once described cross burning as a 'prank.' A new United States Commission on Civil Rights report finds that 'President Bush has neither exhibited leadership on pressing civil rights issues, nor taken actions that matched his words.' And his Vice-President has admitted that he was somehow 'not aware' of the AIDS epidemic plaguing African American women.

"African Americans can't afford four more years of George Bush. We need leaders who understand the concerns facing our families and our community. We need leaders who will fight for our rights in this century."

"We have the power to change our President and come November 2nd, African Americans are going to elect new leaders. We're going to vote and we're going to vote in record numbers."

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George Bush's Dred Scott comments

by Aldanatech In reply to Another debate, another v ...

Here is an interesting question that was made to Bush during the 2nd Presidential Debate in St. Louis, Missouri:

MICHAELSON: Mr. President, if there were a vacancy in the Supreme Court and you had the opportunity to fill that position today, who would you choose and why?

BUSH: I'm not telling.


I really don't have ? haven't picked anybody yet. Plus, I want them all voting for me.


I would pick somebody who would not allow their personal opinion to get in the way of the law. I would pick somebody who would strictly interpret the Constitution of the United States.

Let me give you a couple of examples, I guess, of the kind of person I wouldn't pick.

I wouldn't pick a judge who said that the Pledge of Allegiance couldn't be said in a school because it had the words "under God" in it. I think that's an example of a judge allowing personal opinion to enter into the decision-making process as opposed to a strict interpretation of the Constitution.

BUSH: Another example would be the Dred Scott case, which is where judges, years ago, said that the Constitution allowed slavery because of personal property rights. That's a personal opinion. That's not what the Constitution says. The Constitution of the United States says we're all ? you know, it doesn't say that. It doesn't speak to the equality of America.

And so, I would pick people that would be strict constructionists. We've got plenty of lawmakers in Washington, D.C. Legislators make law; judges interpret the Constitution. And I suspect one of us will have a pick at the end of next year ? the next four years. And that's the kind of judge I'm going to put on there. No litmus test except for how they interpret the Constitution.

Thank you.

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Our Hero??

by westerntc In reply to Another debate, another v ...

To date Our Hero has managed some major accomplishment:
1) Managed to serve only 4 months of a 12 month tour in Nam. Ever wonder what happened to the guy that served his other 8 months? Remember that none of his "wounds" (even if real) resulted in an excuse from duty.
2) Marry two ugly rich women.
3) Serve 20 years without any known accomplishment
4) Get nominated to save us all.

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point # 2

by maecuff In reply to Our Hero??

Was your point #2 just some sort of bizarre typo? Or did you really wish to invalidate ANY point you may have by writing something this shallow and juvenile?

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Point 2

by Observer of the times In reply to point # 2

I'd interepret this more to mean that John Kerry will use anyone to get ahead regardless of what it means to that person. I suspect that he and his mentor have no qualms about using a woman and then discarding her when it suits them. Keep in mind that this is wife #2. How many more will he use and then discard?

The real question. If he does this to his spouse, how honorable will he be with the US population? We've already seen how he honors the oath he gave when he was in the military. It very clearly states that you support the US, the Constitution, and will follow the UCMJ and the Commander in chief. He has demonstrated that he intends to do neither over time.

In additon, he's made a big issue of meeting with the VC in Paris. If memory serves me correctly, he was not part of the negotiating team. Therefore, he violated and disobeyed orderes not to have contact. Also, to give aid is a violation of the UCMJ as well as the Constitution. Ergo, not a man to be trusted.

Keep in mind, throughout recorded history, a policy of appeasement has never resulted in peace. Recent examples, Neville Chamberlain and Vicy administration in France.

Vote thoughtfully. Your future is dependent on it. As the leadership (Country, corporate, and your household) goes, so goes all under it.

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It's easy to say

by maecuff In reply to Point 2

He 'discarded' his wives. How do you know this? I've been married more than once, and never, was it my intention to 'discard' anyone. Unless you are in his skin, you don't know what you're talking about. And as far as his point being invalid.. the moment he typed 'ugly' he invalidated his point.

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by info In reply to Our Hero??

1.A surplus turned into the largest seficit.
2.Gave India part of the US economy.
3.Gave away the steel industry just so his brother can move those oranges in Florida.
4.Has not sealed the borders Ca is sending 16 Billion plus per year to Mexico, driving up rents, unemployment.
5 "Insourcing" and job creation: have you worked on a project for an Asian Business coming to the US? They bring their own people, clening personel bank tellers, all. I was the "token" on projects I was lucky enough to get.
6. Billions missing in IRAQ, mismanaged war, congress passed a taxbill giving incentives to outsource, health legislature etc...
You are right, Kerry really can not be trusted.

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