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By jardinier ·
On more than one occasion I have been challenged to "ask an Iraqi" how the people felt about the invasion of their country. Well Gallup Polls has done just that, and here is the result:

[Washington Post, Wednesday, November 12, 2003]
More than half of Baghdad's residents said they did not believe the United States would allow the Iraqi people to fashion their political future without the direct influence of Washington, according to a Gallup poll. With the Bush administration holding consultations on the future of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council, recent analyses of the poll data, which were gathered three months ago, highlight the roots within that city's populace of many of the concerns the U.S.-led coalition now faces there.
Only 5 percent of those polled said they believed the United States invaded Iraq "to assist the Iraqi people," and only 1 percent believed it was to establish democracy there.
Three-quarters of those polled said they believed the policies and decisions of the Iraqi Governing Council -- whose members were appointed in July by Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator L. Paul Bremer -- were "mostly determined by the coalition's own authorities," and only 16 percent thought the council members were "fairly independent."
The poll, funded by Gallup, was conducted through face-to-face interviews with 1,178 Baghdad residents between Aug. 28 and Sept. 4. The initial results were announced in late September, but additional analyses were released to the polling firm's clients in succeeding weeks. Some Gallup analyses have been published on the Coalition Provisional Authority's Web site in the past two days.
Although 52 percent of those polled said they thought the United States was serious about establishing a democratic system of government in Iraq, 51 percent said Washington would not allow Iraqis to do that without U.S. pressure and influence. The margin of error in the poll was plus or minus 2.7 percentage points.
In an October 28 analysis, Richard Burkholder, Gallup's director of international polling, noted that most Baghdad residents thought getting rid of Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they are enduring. But "most are deeply skeptical of the initial rationale the coalition has given for its actions," Burkholder added. The poll showed that doubts about the U.S. motives for invading had led to doubts about Washington's commitment to creating an independent democratic government in Baghdad.
Forty-three percent of the respondents said they believed that U.S. and British forces invaded in March primarily "to rob Iraq's oil." While 37 percent believed the United States acted to get rid of the Hussein regime, only 5 percent thought it did so "to assist the Iraq people," the poll found. An additional 6 percent believed the motive was to "change the Middle East 'map' as the U.S. and Israel want." Four percent believed the purpose was to destroy weapons of mass destruction, the primary reason given by the Bush administration.
At a time when the United States faces a growing security threat, the poll pointed to other possible reasons why coalition forces are being looked upon as occupiers instead of as liberators.
Almost everyone interviewed -- 94 percent -- said Baghdad "now is a more dangerous place than before the invasion," and 86 percent said that for the previous four weeks "they or a member of their household had been afraid to go outside their home at night for safety reasons," Burkholder said in his analysis. He noted that in the two months before the U.S. invasion, only 8 percent said they had experienced a similar fear.
Asked about attacks against U.S. troops, 64 percent said they were not justified; 36 percent said they sometimes were. Burkholder noted that those who believed such attacks were somewhat or completely justified -- 11 percent and 8 percent, respectively -- would translate to 440,000 adults 18 or older among Baghdad's adult population of 2.3 million.
Forty-eight percent of those polled said they did not believe that the United States will "remain in Iraq as long as necessary, but not a day more," as President Bush has said. Thirty-six percent said they believed that the Americans would leave as Bush had promised.

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More numbers:

by maxwell edison In reply to Ask an Iraqi ...

More numbers (British poll):

50% of the people of Baghdad believe Britain and America were right to invade Iraq, according to an opinion poll.

50% thought the war was right.

27% said it was wrong.

47% - said that they thought it was for oil.

41% said it was to help Israel.

23% said it was to liberate the Iraqi people.

26% said they felt friendly towards the British and US forces.

18% said that they were hostile

50% said they were neither friendly nor hostile.

47% expressed no preference for rule by the Americans or rule under Saddam Hussein.

29% saying they preferred the US.

9% actually favoring Saddam.

31% saying the U.S. forces should stay for a few years.

25% said that they should stay about a year.

20% that they should leave within 12 months.

13% said that they should go immediately.

36% said they would like to see a Western-style democracy.

26% wanted some form of Islamic rule "tempered by modern ideals of justice and punishment".

6% favored strict Islamic rule with mullahs in charge.

5% wanted the return of Saddam.

75% said the city was more dangerous since Britain and the US invaded.

80% that they had suffered power cuts.

49% said that there had been shortages of clean drinking water and that there had been a lack of medical facilities.

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And yet another gallop poll:

47 percent said the country is worse off than before the invasion.

33 percent said it is better off.

67 percent, say they think that Iraq will be in better condition five years from now than it was before the U.S.-led invasion.

Only 8 percent say they think it will be worse off.

62 percent think ousting Saddam was worth the hardships they have endured since the invasion.

60% said they have a favorable view of the new Iraqi Governing Council, but most see its priorities as set by coalition authorities.

50% said the coalition authorities are doing a better job now than two months ago.

14% said they were doing a worse job.

Gallup drew its sample from different neighborhoods throughout the capital.

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Results of another poll:

Oh nevermind. It's all to confusing, contradictory, and, of course, it all depends on how the questions were phrased.

Statistics, you distort them your way, and I'll distort them my way.

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics

-Mark Twain

By the way, what was your point, and what do you think about all these numbers?

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Now how does that saying go?

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to More numbers:

There are Lies, Bloody Lies and then there are Statistics!

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Polls give trends ...

by jardinier In reply to More numbers:

For rather obvious practical reasons, polls can only address a sampling of the population. A census will give a more accurate result, but is an elaborate procedure which obviously would be impossible in a country like Iraq in its present unstable and unpredictable situation.

Why did I post this particular poll, knowing full well that it will differ from other polls? Because it was the first one I stumbled upon. I do not have the luxury of spending half my life poring over news reports in search of inaccuracies. So why post any poll at all? Because it at least gives SOME input from the people of Iraq, and cannot be summarily dismissed as deliberately biased reporting. I am SICK TO DEATH of hearing from certain sources that the invasion of Iraq was a humanitarian exercise staged for the benefit of the people of Iraq. [now that it has been accepted that the other alleged reasons, such as WMDs, where unfounded anyway.]

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Apparently

by Oz_Media In reply to Polls give trends ...

or so I've been told recently, people didn't think Iraq had WMD (uh...sure) they also didn't think that this was a mission for any other reason than to rid Saddam's regime and create a democratic government in Iraq. That's what the People of Iraq wanted! They wanted America to invade thier country and then build a nation that mirrors the ideals of American society.

Oh yes, Santa's coming soon!!

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Statictics make truth out of lies and lies out of truths

by JimHM In reply to Ask an Iraqi ...

What was the polution of the pole? What was the mean, mode and SD? Without details of the pole statictics will make truths appear as lies and lies appear as truths.

Also - I didn't see anywhere in there the question - Were they happy that Saddam and family are no longer in power...

You still haven't asked an Iraqi -

Statics - are BS unless you have all the facts of the population and measures of the pole.

But keep trying

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Why don't YOU ....

by jardinier In reply to Statictics make truth ou ...

dust off your military uniform and get the f**k over to Iraq and tell us what is really going on? I'm sure you have the mental capacity and skills to interview every single Iraqi so that finally we will know the truth of the situation.

But mind now that you don't get killed. I believe Iraq is rather a dangerous place to be at this time.

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OH God of spelling and Garmmar - You are so wise and knowledgable

by JimHM In reply to Why don't YOU ....

First - only a brainless twit wanker could come with "I believe Iraq is rather a dangerous place to be at this time." Should we call you Ms Obvious. Lets see can you come up with some others - Getting shot hurts. Bullets and Bombs Kill.

I don't think you have a clue about the world or you are even over the age (mental or physical) of 12 or 11.

Attack on stupid things wanker, and not on the topic.

To justify statical analysis - you need the questions asked, the population, the mean and std-devation of each question, number that responded to that question. I guess you haven't gotten to that in grade school yet hum.

So I will just disregrad you comments - and have a nice day.

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If you had simply ...

by jardinier In reply to Why don't YOU ....

read the posting correctly in the first instance, and noted: "In an October 28 analysis, Richard Burkholder, Gallup's director of international polling, noted that most Baghdad residents thought getting rid of Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they are enduring," then there would have been no reason for this name-calling nonsense.

I have not commented on your grammar, nor would I have commented on your spelling if you had not declared yourself to be an expert on the correct procedure for conducting a "pole." The fact that you twice mispelled this word rather undermines your credibility as an expert on polls.

There would be no need or reason to conduct a widespread scientifically based poll in Iraq while the country is in such a state of flux.

Your assertion that you know the proper techniques for conducting a poll are meaningless if they cannot be applied. At least the three polls listed give some indication of what some Iraqis think, and there is a reasonable degree a commonality in the responses.

Surely this gives a broader picture than one or two camera shots by journalists asking the opinions of one or two individuals, which could be slanted anyway whatsoever.

If you don't like the way the polls were conducted, the obvious thing to do would be to email the organisations which conducted the polls, expressing your concern at the ambiguity of the published results.

And as for "dangerous" place, I would have assumed that you would recognise flippancy or satire when it is so obvious.

Nonetheless you are a Vietnam vet and I will always respect you for that.

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Not only can't you spell ...

by jardinier In reply to Statictics make truth ou ...

(a "pole" is a long, usually wooden object). You may also attempt to explain what you mean by "polution" -- (perhaps this a "dirty pole,") but apparently your reading abilities are also somewhat limited. Note the following statement CLEARLY included in the poll: "In an October 28 analysis, Richard Burkholder, Gallup's director of international polling, noted that most Baghdad residents thought getting rid of Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they are enduring."

Note also: "The poll, funded by Gallup, was conducted through face-to-face interviews with 1,178 Baghdad residents between Aug. 28 and Sept. 4."

Perhaps you can recommend a more reliable system of gaining, within a reasonable time-frame, the general attitudes of a large group of people.

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Iraqi Situation

by Plublisher In reply to Ask an Iraqi ...

Hi,
But does it really matter what anybody thinks or says in this situation?
The Iraqi's are not helping themselves as far as I am concerned; they either get content with what exist for them and join hands with whoever wishes to help rebuild Iraq or allow extremists to keep it the way it is now.
Although, when sadam was there, none of these existed; but you have to taste the cost of freedom to know what it means to be free.
Lives are being lost on daily bases and people are talking oil. What has oil got to do with Iraqi's peace?
Have a nice day.

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