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Banda Aceh and Meulaboh warned as only safe ground for foreign aid workers

By Oz_Media ·
Indonesian military spokesman Col. Ahmad Yani Basuki, has warned that foreign military presence is not wanted outside Bandeh Aceh and Meulaboh Indonesia. Aid workers have been warned not to accept foreign military escorts outside of these cities as they will be endagnered. Al foreign aid workers have been advised to quickly register as foreigners working in the area due to the rising hosility toward foreign military presence in the area,

"This restriction will slow down the deliver of desperately need supplies, says the United Nations.

Washington asked the Indonesian government to explain why it's cracking down on aid workers in tsunami-ravaged Aceh province and demanding that all foreign troops leave within three months. "

"The government in Jakarta has said all foreign troops helping the tsunami aid effort in Aceh province must leave by the end of March.

It's also restricted access in the region, where most of the country's 104,000 deaths from the tsunami occurred. About 600,000 people lost their homes there and desperately need aid. "

CBC story:

And just to address MrMiami's statement that no blue helmets are on the ground, they showed footage of UN workers/relief coordinators being interviewed and guess what? The little blue helmets are on the ground, probably much to your disppointment.

By restricting acess, of aid workers, the rebel insurgents will in effect weaken their opponents making it that much easier to retain control in the area.

Should troops obey the requests as it is not in their best interests to inflame the situation or should they remain as long as needed regardless of the growing violence, threats and general hostility towards them?

In a news piece, they showed hoards of insurgents rioting and demonstrating against the US presence, burning flags and parading signs in demonstration against the presence.

The next clip was an interview with an air force officer who claimed that they were not aware of nor had seen any hostility and have been welcomed in the area.

I would be interested to see what story is being shown elsewhere, namely Australia and the US.

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Get out while we still can

by Jessie In reply to Banda Aceh and Meulaboh w ...

Here's a link to the story that CNN has on the subject.

As far as "should they stay or should they go?" I'm not one for being in places where I'm not wanted, unless a good friend specifically asks me to be there for them. I think we should have learned our lesson a LONG time ago on this one, in VietNam. You can't win a battle where you're a third party and both sides are against you. It just doesn't make sense.

Even though, on the one hand, I'm a compassionate person and would love to be able to go there myself to give aid... you just can't help someone who won't help themselves.

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Weird from me I know but....

by JamesRL In reply to Get out while we still ca ...

Vietnam was different. It was military aid and troops on the ground, fighting a war on behalf of a corrupt South Vietnamese regime(not that North Vietnam regime were angels). The south Vietnamese people were not solidly behind their government.

My understanding of whats happening in Indonesia is that all "rebel" activity has stopped while the cleanup is happening. The corrupt government may not want you there, but the people do.

When Indonesians in Canada wonder why Canada sent troops to Sri Lanka(which also has its civil war) instead of Indonesia, I think this may be one of the reasons that Canada chose not to go to Indonesia.


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It may be possible

by Oz_Media In reply to Banda Aceh and Meulaboh w ...

That after 3-months of global efforts and aide that it would be safe enough for the UN to carry out further missions, they aren't Boy Scouts, they have weapons and soldiers too.

Certainly this is not going to end the insurgency but nobody is there to end a feud or go to war, just to see these people get proper aid andsupport to rebuild their lives.

TO someone who has been fighting these people for solong, it must be a real bugger to see the entire world flocking to their aid this way. Picture being the local bully and one day finding a gang of **** Angels helping out the guy you beat up for his lunch money everyday.

Perhaps an eye opener that they can only get away with what others will allow. They must be realizing just how quickly their BIG rebellion may end should the rest of th allied nations choose to take over and stop it. It must look like an invasion to some, seeing all these troops and aid workers hit the ground running in support of those they have chosen/tried to repress for so long.

I don't even want to go down that road though, I think everyone's got their hands full already with al-Qaeda, Iraq et al. We don't need to make every country's problems our own.

I am getting a 'Red Dawn' flashback, "Damn, whe'd THEY come from?".

If would be pretty damn scary to be at war for so long and to have so much power in an area only to see how small and weak your force really is when the rest get involved.

Then again, perhaps Saddam stashed his WMD there! Perhaps his whole thing was an underground bomb used to wipe out said WMD?
THEN I am sure the US administration would see it fit to invade them too, to save American lives of course.

It is nice to see that the weapons inspectors in Iraq were wrong all along though as suggested, that they hadn't done their job as implied.

Yeah I know, they were scurried out of the country while everyone was snoozing. Like I say, maybe to Indonesia? LOL

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