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If President Bush can say nice things about Bill Clinton, how come no one at this website can ever say anything good about the man?

November 19, 2004
US President George W Bush paid tribute to predecessor Bill Clinton today as "not the kind to give up a fight", putting aside partisan divisions at a ceremony to open the Democrat's presidential library.

"He was an innovator, a serious student of policy and a man of great compassion. In the White House, the whole nation witnessed his brilliance and mastery of detail, his persuasive power and his persistence," Bush said.

Under pouring rain, Bush noted that Clinton had fought to reform social policy, expand free trade, "was a tireless champion of peace in the Middle East" and acted to stop ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.

"The president is not the kind to give up a fight. His staffers were known to say 'if Clinton were the Titanic, the iceberg would sink,'" the president quipped.

Bush stopped here on his way first tohis Texas ranch and then to an Asia-Pacific summit in Santiago, Chile, before heading to Colombia and then back to Texas for the Thanksgiving holiday.

The kind words came roughly four years after Bush won the presidency, vowing to "restore honour and dignity" to the White House, a veiled reference to the sex-and-lies scandal that bedevilled the Democrat's last two years in office.
Clinton observed a similar truce in November 1997, when he spoke at the dedication of the official library of former president George Bush, the current president's father.

On that occasion, Clinton praised "the vigilance president Bush displayed in dealing with Iraq".

"And I believe the American people support that vigilance, thanks in no small measure to your example not so long ago. And I thank you for that, Mr President," Clinton said.

AFP

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by packet spoofer

While I obviously am a conservative...I was dissapointed that Hannity could not help himself, and continued to assail the former president during the opening of the library in little rock........I wish that we could get beyond this...it is history.....leave the man alone...He served our country for 2 terms and like him or not, his record is not all bad.....
We as a country need to get past these concerted efforts to destroy political rivals in the white house...I for one would be glad if I never heard monica lewinskys name again, and never heard about whitewater, watergate Iran contra etc. I wish we could enjoy a new day in politics....but It may just be wishful thinking......

by bucky kaufman (mcsd)

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We as a country need to get past these concerted efforts to destroy political rivals in the white house...I for one would be glad if I never heard monica lewinskys name again,
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Did you see Clinton on ABC last night? Jennings asked him about that very thing. Clinton shot bolt up-right and stuck his finger in Pete's face and said, "That's *your* fault. You and your program and those other shows".

It seems Clinton, like most of the rational world, thinks it was *stupid* for the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy to obsess with his sex life, and totally ignore the proven threat from al Quaeda.

So Scott, if ya wanna stop hearing Lewinski's name, stop saying it. If ya find yourself fixin' to say it, stop and say something worth hearing. ;)

by packet spoofer

I did watch it and it was pretty intense.....
It was an interesting point that he made about coverage of the impeachment eclipsing other more relevant news.....
Don't get me wrong, I am no clinton fan, but It is time to move on and learn from our mistakes....weakening the president now or then....not only weakens him....it weakens the country...

by protiusx

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by jamesrl

I am an outsider - Canadian. But I am also a student of politics.

I saw footage of the speeches too. I noted how gracious Clinton was in complementing George W. Bush - considering it was Clinton's day in the limelight, it was a standup thing to do, and I think helpful.

I don't want to hear about Lewinsky. Or for that matter any affairs that any previous presidents may have had, and I am sure there are lots of them. Whitewater never seemed to be more that allegations. Watergate was a historic fact - though it reflects more on the President than his party in my opinion - same for Iran/Contra - though nothing was ever proven.

I don't think the personal attacks are helpful, from either side. In the end, no party has a monopoly on good ideas, and partisan political fighting negatively impacts good governance.

Bill Clinton's speech talked alot about building bridges. Not a bad idea, but like you, I see little hope for it.

James

by bucky kaufman (mcsd)

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If President Bush can say nice things about Bill Clinton, how come no one at this website can ever say anything good about the man?
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Did you see the video? Clinton was grimacing the whole time Bush was speaking. I got the idea he wanted to jump up and smack George upside his head.

Bush said that Clinton will look you in the eye, pet your dog, kiss your baby and shake hands with you all at the same time - but he didn't finish the addage. It ends "while picking your pocket". It was a devious attempt to publicly insult the most beloved president alive today.

Afterwards, Clinton said he's the only one in the country who likes both Bush and Kerry - but he was demonstrating what both Bush's were saying about him. That he's a very talented diplomat.

Regardless of what they say about each other in public, they are clearly disgusted by each other's nature - Bill being a fiscal Conservative, and Bush being a flaming fiscal Liberal. (No, that's not a typo.)

One thing - I think ALL of the presidents were glad to see Bush Jr. on the stage - because no matter how bad their own screw-ups were, none even came close to being as bad as starting a $200B war for the wrong reason.

by silvioandpauly

Why do they hate America? Is it really because of our siding with Isreal? That's what Osama said anyway.....

by john.a.wills

People hate the U.S. for the same reason they used to hate Britain and before that Spain: it's the greatest world power economically, culturally and militarily; and its influence permeates and is resented. Even if the U.S. did nothing wrong it would be hated. Whatever it does do wrong is used as a justification for the resentment felt for other reasons. Suppporting the Israelis against the Palestinians is, of course, wrong, but Osama bin Laden is not really ocncerned with that, it's just a bandwagon he's jumping on. His real beef is the non-Muslim influence the U.S. has in Dar ul Islam.

by john.a.wills

People hate the U.S. for the same reason they used to hate Britain and before that Spain: it's the greatest world power economically, culturally and militarily; and its influence permeates and is resented. Even if the U.S. did nothing wrong it would be hated. Whatever it does do wrong is used as a justification for the resentment felt for other reasons. Suppporting the Israelis against the Palestinians is, of course, wrong, but Osama bin Laden is not really ocncerned with that, it's just a bandwagon he's jumping on. His real beef is the non-Muslim influence the U.S. has in Dar ul Islam.

by aldanatech

Because there are not that many positive things you can say about Bush. One of his major down sides is the Iraq war. In fact, former president Bill Clinton slammed the handling of the war in Iraq by his successor George W. Bush, saying the conflict alienated the United States from the world.

He told ABC television at the inauguration of his presidential library: "I supported giving the president the authority to take action against Saddam Hussein if he did not cooperate with the UN inspectors or if he was found to have had weapons of mass destruction he wouldn't give up"

Clinton also said: "I did believe that the administration made a mistake going to war when they did, and that's what alienated the world. And most Americans still haven't focused on this."

by nd_it

Discussing the current affairs of the US was not the topic for the former presidents yesterday. It was to dedicate a landmark to a former president. And even though each former president might have different views on the way things are being handled now, I think it is very dignified that they can at least sit down in the same place, putting the difference aside and be civil, that should set an example for the rest of the people that we need to be united. But there are some that are filled with such hate, they can't even be civil, which is very unfortunate. I think we should follow the example that was set yesterday. But some people can't get past the negativity and see things as half empty.

by bucky kaufman (mcsd)

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Bill Clinton slammed the handling of the war in Iraq by his successor George W. Bush, saying the conflict alienated the United States from the world.
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The truly odd thing about that is that, while decent people would agree that good relations with our neighbors is a desirable thing - Many of Bush's followers honestly believe that it's a great evil to be on friendly terms with foreign-born, non-white, non-christian people.

For them, alienating our allies was a good and desirable thing.

by jkaras

My issue wth the whole library thing was the "Clinton Exhibit". Its a library for learning, not show casing a president in this light or that light, however it was characterised as a double wide trailer look. I have been to many libraries named after various presidents, and none of them had such a display of memorabilia. Was it a library or a planet hollywood? All it was a dog and pony show that demonstrated how fake our leaders are. Clinton did many good things and wasnt exactly the most virtuous person so what!!!
How many millions of dollars and man hours spent to prove a bj happened, thanks right wing for setting the Guiness book record for the most expensive bj in world history, a round of applause please?

by mlandis

The New York City Library at 42nd and 5th (The one where the original Ghostbusters was filmed - with the lions out front) has an Isaac Newton display going on through early spring 2005. Many smaller libraries have exhibits that periodically change. (no pun intended.)

Like other things in a library budget, it depends on the funding and donations available. Some libraries have the items in inventory, but can no longer display them because the showcases aren't adequately equipped to preserve the items.

How many of the libraries named after presidents were done so during the honorees lifetime? That could also be a factor. Bill Clinton seved two terms in very recent history, so there would be more available to showcase? Times are different too - compare and contrast what and how our own work is accomplished today as to many years ago. The President's job entails much more now than it ever did, much as our jobs have changed.

Maureen

by john.a.wills

Because the Palestinians have done nothing to deserve national or personal dispossession. Because thousands of people are being kept away from their homes, their fields, their orchards, their history. Because there are a lot of people suffering from Israeli refusal to start the process of atonement, which could fairly easily be done by beginning the restitution of freeholders' property. Because the Israelis have nukes and are liable to use them. Because the Israelis have started several full-scale wars, besides having a constant policy of terrorism against the exiles and others in the 1967 territories. Because a state should not attempt to guarantee any church a majority in the state (this is also a reason to stop arming Sa'udi Arabia). Enough?

by protiusx

?Because the Palestinians have done nothing to deserve national or personal dispossession.?

Let us first discuss what a Palestinian is and then whether or not they had something to be dispossessed from. The Arab version of history which is so important to the current claim of Palestinian rights to Arab Palestine omits several relevant, situation-altering facts.
History did not begin with the Arab conquest in the seventh century. The people whose nation was destroyed by the Romans were the Jews. There were no Arab Palestinians then -- not until seven hundred years later would an Arab rule prevail, and then briefly. The short Arab rule reigned over Christians and Jews, who had been there to languish under various other foreign conquerors (i.e. Roman, Byzantine, Persian, to name just three in the centuries between the Roman and Arab conquests). The people who conquered under the banner of the invading Arabians from the desert were often hired mercenaries who remained on the land as soldiers -- not Arabians, but others who were enticed by the promise of the booty of conquest.
From the time the Arabians (and their non-Arabian mercenaries) entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was ethnologically a chaos of all the possible human combinations. Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

?Because thousands of people are being kept away from their homes, their fields, their orchards, their history.?

The abuse of the refugees, their deprivation of real "human rights" from 1948 onward, and the true motive behind their rejection by the Arab world have all been buried by propaganda slogans and omissions. Humanitarian voices of concern for "human need" and dignity are now muted by the louder and increasingly prevalent trumpeting of the "rights" of the "Palestinians" to "return."

?Because there are a lot of people suffering from Israeli refusal to start the process of atonement, which could fairly easily be done by beginning the restitution of freeholders' property.?

The land belongs to Israel not the Arab Palestinians.

?Because the Israelis have nukes and are liable to use them.?

Israel is a strong and determined country that has been repeatedly attacked by their Arab neighbors. Although they profess neither to possess or not to possess nuclear weapons it is assumed by the International community that they have them and they would not hesitate to use them if threatened in like manor.

?Because the Israelis have started several full-scale wars, besides having a constant policy of terrorism against the exiles and others in the 1967 territories. ?

Having lost in battle what they could have had in the peace envisioned by the 1947 Partition Plan, Palestinian Arab terrorist groups, called "Fedayeen", began systematic raids against the Israeli civilian population. 1,300 Israelis were killed and wounded by Arab terrorists between 1949 and 1956.(1) The "Fedayeen" operated from bases located in and controlled by Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan.
In September 1955, in violation of international agreements and in what amounted to an act of war, Egypt sealed off access to the Israeli port of Eilat, effectively stopping Israel's sea trade with much of Africa and the Far East. Then, on July 26, 1956 Nasser announced Egypt?s nationalization of the Suez Canal, most of whose shares were held by Britain and France. With diplomacy failing to reverse Nassers?s decision, Britain and France embarked on preparations to regain control of the Canal, and on October 29, 1956 together with Israel, launched a military operation in the Sinai Peninsula. Four and a half months later, on March 16, 1957, Israel withdrew her troops from the Sinai and Gaza strip after receiving international reassurances that Israel's vital waterways would remain open. Three thousand three hundred United Nations troops replaced them. Despite Israel's withdrawal, the Egyptians refused to open the Suez canal to Israeli shipping.

With tensions mounting, the Straits of Tiran blocked, and Arab armies poised to strike, Israel decided (on June 5th 1967) to launch a pre-emptive attack on the massive Egyptian forces aimed at her. Within 190 minutes the backbone of the Egyptian air force was broken, and by the end of the first day of war 298 Egyptian airplanes were destroyed. Backed by complete air superiority, Israeli army divisions then thrust into the Sinai desert approaching the bank of the Suez Canal. At the same time, Israel issued an appeal to Jordan to stay out of the war. (1) Jordan refused and opened a heavy artillery barrage on both west Jerusalem and the Tel-Aviv area which forced Israel to counterattack. By June 8th the Israel Defense Forces defeated the Jordanian forces and captured the whole of Judea and Samaria. On the morning of June 9th, Israel attacked the Syrians and captured the Golan Heights. From these heights, Syria had shelled and destroyed 205 houses, 175 acres of orchards and 75 acres of grain.
The six days of fierce fighting ended in Israel?s occupation of the Sinai desert and the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights and the West Bank, providing Israel?s cities with a much needed buffer zone and dramatically reducing the danger of extinction by a surprise Arab attack. Furthermore, victory had a special religious meaning because of the unification of Jerusalem and the return of Jews to Judea and Samaria which was part of biblical Israel.

Just before 2 p.m. on Saurday, Oct. 6,1973 222 warplanes took off from seven airfields and flew low on bombing missions against Israeli military targets in the Sinai. In the meantime , 60 warplanes took off from several air bases in Syria to bomb Israeli targets on the Golan Heights and guns opened a fierce and intense barrage.

?Because a state should not attempt to guarantee any church a majority in the state (this is also a reason to stop arming Sa'udi Arabia). Enough??

I would say yes. How about you?

by bucky kaufman (mcsd)

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weakening the president now or then....not only weakens him....it weakens the country...
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I disagree. The strength of the country does not depend on *any* one man.

In Clinton's case, weakening the president did not weaken the county - rather the vast numers of Republicans who insisted the blow job was more important than the presidency weakened the country. Clinton was merely the catalyst - the Republicans were the weakness.

by packet spoofer

republicans.....I have always said you have a lot of problems bucky.....51 million to be specific.....get used to it there big guy!

by john.a.wills

The Palestinians are referred to as a nation (ethnos) in the Gospel of John (11:47-52), written towards the end of the first Century. The question of states is distinct. The fact that the Palestinians, the first Jewish nation, became the first Christian nation, does not entitle Rabbinical Jews of other nations to dispossess them.
As for property rights, I was thinking mainly of private property rights, not communal ones.
But ProtiusX' entry is too long to discuss further in this forum. Perhaps over tea and cookies somewhere - ProtiusX does have several facts wrong.

by protiusx

John 11:47 -52 speaks of the Pharisees and the chief priests discussing what to do about Jesus. The Pharisees were a sect of Rabbinical Jews. In fact I don?t find any reference to any other race, clan or people in these verses.
I admit that I was a bit over zealous in providing a response to your last post but I feel very passionate about the topic and towards the Jewish people. I would be honored to meet with you some day to discuss this further. I am curious though to see what facts I wrote that were incorrect.

by john.a.wills

I was not using the gospel as doctrine but as relevant documentation. In the gospel reference I gave the word "ethnos" occurs several times. The high priest would not call Israel a nation (Nm 23:9), and John would not make the mistake of putting that mistake in the high priest's mouth. So it must be the local nation, the nation we now call Palestinian, of which John is thinking. As for the special status of "the Jewish people" that is a semantic confusion, but we can go into that some other time. I live in the SF Bay Area, by the way, not Seattle.

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